Realistic Patriot
12-04-2002, 02:48 PM
Vsem privet!
Ya hotel bi napisat' o svoih vpechatleniyah posle prochteniya postings na etom forume. Menya ochen poradovalo nalichie diskussii i sporov, i samii glavnii vivod eto to, chto nasha vlast' dobilas opredelennih uspehov za godi "mustakillizma".
No eto ne supehi v oblasti ekonomiki, politiki, i daleko ne v oblasti nauki i kul'turi. Eto prejde vsego uspehi v promivanii mozgov i zapugivanii naroda. Nemnogo zabiv o sushestvovanii dannogo foruma, ya ne imel vozmojnosti realno ocenit' sujdeniya molodeji o situazii v strane. Tem sil'nee bil effekt ot sravneniya postingov, skajem dvuh-treh letnei davnosti, s tem chto ya prochel segodnya. I paradoks zaklyuchaetsa v tom, chto na to vremya kolichestvo "Umid" students abroad bilo gorazdo bolshe (i imenno ot nih po idee jdesh optimistichnih fraz tipo "mi budushee Uzbekistana!", togda kak "budushee" Uzbekistana uje davno podelili mejdu soboi ego "nastoyashee"), da i situaziya v Uzbekistane bila slojnaya, no ne dovedennaya do absurda kak seichas. No togda (hot' eto i zvuchit kak starikovskie sravneniya "vot bili vremena") poyavlyalis gorazdo bolee pragmatichnie i realistichnie sujdeniya, a ne to chto vidish seichas - zapugannie i iskustvenno hvalebnie topiki. Daje smeshno chto messages by NK were left unresponded. Ya dumayu eto ne tolko ot togo chto sources of information are not confirmed or whatever the "suggested" problem... Skoree vsego eto ot straha...neujli tomu chto proizoshlo s Coca-Cola nujni kakie to podtverjdeniya "of sources of information", ved vsya strana eto znala, no nikomu iz deistvuyushih lic ot etogo ne stalo stidno, potomu chto oni znayut.....znayut chto vse ih boyatsa, their policy was extremely successful. Coz they know that uzbeks eto mirolyubivii narod, kotorii vse sterpit "lish bi ne bilo voini".
Po moemu itak vse dostatochno self-explanatory: so called "negativ" posted by NK is actually "reality". I "positiv" vo vsem etom zaklyuchaetsa tolko v tom chto narod vse eto umudryaetsa terpet, i slava Bogu! What more positive can u ask for in such a mess: state control over each and every aspect of business life, state dictatorship of education (what to learn and re-writing of the whole history!), state control over private life by banning leisure activities and sports, in fact, menti schitayut chto u nih dostatochno polnomochii zapreshat molodeji vstrechatsa s ih lyubimimi v temnoe vremya sutok (believe me, I was threatened to be taken to mentovku just for being out with my gf at 11 o'clock and as I know from other "sources of Information" like my friends it is not one-off case) and they feel absolutely unlimited in their power, overall it resembles somewhat of military state: I have an impression that number of "milicioner/SNB/whoever else" per head of population exceeds the number of heads of population :)
As for u guys, pls open ur eyes and get rid of this silly optimistic smile, find some courage to face it: The country is in crisis: political, economic and social.....the president will not leave even after elections in 2006 (if they will take place after all). Even if we assume that he does do u really think that existing goschinovniki have what it takes to be a president???? the candidates u r going to vote for (judging by ur postes) do not differ from what we have now, it is suicidal to vote for ex-communist leaders without a market view, without proper education and finally without reputation abroad.
Vsem poka, and as for my proposal (as the Discussion board's title suggests) it is: Please do have a second thought before u praise this system and be more realistic.
Ostaetsa tolko molitsa chto bi gosudarstvo samo poshlo na reformi i ne dovelo narod do otchayaniya. Amin' i Poka!
P.S. Nikoim obrazom ne isklyuchayu sebya iz tolpi teh kto boitsa i priznayu chto moya smelost obuslavlivaetsa moim prisutstviem v Evrope.
P.P.S. Does any daughter of our respected Uzbekboshi involved in any sort of charity or do they prefer investments into "profit maximising" institutions (numerous beauty salons, Uzdunrobita, complex Darhan)? Something tells me that the later is the case (pedikyurchikom podrabativayut devochki). Coz, guys, they have already faced the crisis and they know that it cannot last forever and they should better prepare themselves and their bank accounts for the worst case scenario.
Ya hotel bi napisat' o svoih vpechatleniyah posle prochteniya postings na etom forume. Menya ochen poradovalo nalichie diskussii i sporov, i samii glavnii vivod eto to, chto nasha vlast' dobilas opredelennih uspehov za godi "mustakillizma".
No eto ne supehi v oblasti ekonomiki, politiki, i daleko ne v oblasti nauki i kul'turi. Eto prejde vsego uspehi v promivanii mozgov i zapugivanii naroda. Nemnogo zabiv o sushestvovanii dannogo foruma, ya ne imel vozmojnosti realno ocenit' sujdeniya molodeji o situazii v strane. Tem sil'nee bil effekt ot sravneniya postingov, skajem dvuh-treh letnei davnosti, s tem chto ya prochel segodnya. I paradoks zaklyuchaetsa v tom, chto na to vremya kolichestvo "Umid" students abroad bilo gorazdo bolshe (i imenno ot nih po idee jdesh optimistichnih fraz tipo "mi budushee Uzbekistana!", togda kak "budushee" Uzbekistana uje davno podelili mejdu soboi ego "nastoyashee"), da i situaziya v Uzbekistane bila slojnaya, no ne dovedennaya do absurda kak seichas. No togda (hot' eto i zvuchit kak starikovskie sravneniya "vot bili vremena") poyavlyalis gorazdo bolee pragmatichnie i realistichnie sujdeniya, a ne to chto vidish seichas - zapugannie i iskustvenno hvalebnie topiki. Daje smeshno chto messages by NK were left unresponded. Ya dumayu eto ne tolko ot togo chto sources of information are not confirmed or whatever the "suggested" problem... Skoree vsego eto ot straha...neujli tomu chto proizoshlo s Coca-Cola nujni kakie to podtverjdeniya "of sources of information", ved vsya strana eto znala, no nikomu iz deistvuyushih lic ot etogo ne stalo stidno, potomu chto oni znayut.....znayut chto vse ih boyatsa, their policy was extremely successful. Coz they know that uzbeks eto mirolyubivii narod, kotorii vse sterpit "lish bi ne bilo voini".
Po moemu itak vse dostatochno self-explanatory: so called "negativ" posted by NK is actually "reality". I "positiv" vo vsem etom zaklyuchaetsa tolko v tom chto narod vse eto umudryaetsa terpet, i slava Bogu! What more positive can u ask for in such a mess: state control over each and every aspect of business life, state dictatorship of education (what to learn and re-writing of the whole history!), state control over private life by banning leisure activities and sports, in fact, menti schitayut chto u nih dostatochno polnomochii zapreshat molodeji vstrechatsa s ih lyubimimi v temnoe vremya sutok (believe me, I was threatened to be taken to mentovku just for being out with my gf at 11 o'clock and as I know from other "sources of Information" like my friends it is not one-off case) and they feel absolutely unlimited in their power, overall it resembles somewhat of military state: I have an impression that number of "milicioner/SNB/whoever else" per head of population exceeds the number of heads of population :)
As for u guys, pls open ur eyes and get rid of this silly optimistic smile, find some courage to face it: The country is in crisis: political, economic and social.....the president will not leave even after elections in 2006 (if they will take place after all). Even if we assume that he does do u really think that existing goschinovniki have what it takes to be a president???? the candidates u r going to vote for (judging by ur postes) do not differ from what we have now, it is suicidal to vote for ex-communist leaders without a market view, without proper education and finally without reputation abroad.
Vsem poka, and as for my proposal (as the Discussion board's title suggests) it is: Please do have a second thought before u praise this system and be more realistic.
Ostaetsa tolko molitsa chto bi gosudarstvo samo poshlo na reformi i ne dovelo narod do otchayaniya. Amin' i Poka!
P.S. Nikoim obrazom ne isklyuchayu sebya iz tolpi teh kto boitsa i priznayu chto moya smelost obuslavlivaetsa moim prisutstviem v Evrope.
P.P.S. Does any daughter of our respected Uzbekboshi involved in any sort of charity or do they prefer investments into "profit maximising" institutions (numerous beauty salons, Uzdunrobita, complex Darhan)? Something tells me that the later is the case (pedikyurchikom podrabativayut devochki). Coz, guys, they have already faced the crisis and they know that it cannot last forever and they should better prepare themselves and their bank accounts for the worst case scenario.