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Desperado
12-07-2002, 05:26 AM
For the students of politics it is well known that the the term 'national state' is a new in the world system. Its history starts only after French Revolution of 18 th century. Before that the content of a state was quite different. However the process of Globalization has brought many different views to the World State System with its terms like 'deterritorialization', 'localization' etc. This process implies that the 'national stathood' is losing its strength in world politics. The case of European Union is a strong example. EU is on its way to change the current rules of statehood. Within a few decades EU planning to cut out national state borders and divide the whole Europe into small counties/regions to govern the Union more effectively. It seems that Nationalism has not worked well throughout the history and it has caused World Wars like I and II.

However, in Central Asia we can observe a new arising movements of Nationalism. State leaders are trying to establish the fundaments of statehood on Nationalism. The front agenda in Asian media is boasting with the identity, culture and history of their own nationals. And it is quite obvious for someone to see the damages of that toward mutual colloboration, cooperation and unification in the region. Why should we live through the pass of Europe to understand the side effects of Nationalism? Can not we just learn from the mistakes of Europe on Nationalizm?
At the same time I do not want to say that nationalizm is evil, it is good for someone to know own history and national identity, BUT DO NOT YOU THINK CENTRAL ASIA IS GOING TOO FOR ON NATIONALIZM?
Awaiting for your opinions...

citizen
12-07-2002, 09:32 AM
It would be so cool to create a Central Asian Union (Uzb,Kaz,Kirg,Tadj). It is the future!

Max[hungry]
12-07-2002, 09:51 PM
It'd be cool but it's barely possible!

wyxpat
12-08-2002, 09:54 PM
Biz qachon o'zi o'zbek bo'p qoganmiz? tarixni qarasangiz, honlik davrida ham hali o'zbek qqirg'iz, qozoq degan narsa bo'magan, faqat qipchoqmisan, sartmisan deb endi odamlar ajrata boshlagan edi birbirini, o'zi aslida rossiyaga maag'lub bo'lishning sabablaridan biri ham shu. keyin ruslar kelib sen o'zbeksan, sen qozoqsan deb millat qilib ajratib qo'ydi. toshkentda yurip kim qozoq, kim o'zbek bilolmay ham qolasan ba'zi hollarda. televizorda ba'zi olimchalar chiqvolib biz kim o'zbeklar uni qip tashadik, buni qip tashadik deb gap boshlasa tamom etim jimirlab ketadi, ho'y oshqovoq, o'zbekistonda 120 dan ortiq millat vakili bor deydigan odam yo'q. qoganlar nima olma pish deb o'tiribdiyu ish qiganlar faqat o'zbeklarmi???! hayron qolasan kishi... a tak bizda ham US daginga o'xshash 'ozbekistonlik yoki cenral asian degan nationality berish kerak (keyingisini amalga oshirishga hali aaaaaaannnnnnchaaaaaaaa bor bo'sa kerak) bitta mahallada 1000 xil o'zbek yashaydi a tak, bir biriga o'xshamaydi.... mayli arava ham shaldirab ketdi... PEACE

Desperado
12-17-2002, 05:56 AM
Yuqorida master dostimiz to'gri fikr bildiribdi.
Men e'tiboringizni MO davlatlarining millatchilik siyosatiga qaratmoqchi edim. Ahir 1980 yillarning ohirlaridagi farg'ona vodiysida mesheti turklar bilan chiqqan nizolar, Jalolobodda va O'shda chiqqan qirg'iz-o'zbek to'qnashuvlari boshqaruvchilarimizning ko'zlarini yetarlicha ochmagan ko'rinadi.
Men o'zbek sen qozoq, men qirg'iz sen tojik deb fitna chiqarish kimning faydasi uchun? Milliy muammolar hamma vaqt nozik bo'lib kelgan va millatchilikni siyosat quroli qilib olish keyinchalik bizga juda qimmatga tushib ketmasmikin?
Millatchilikning yana bir zararli tarafi u MOning kelajakda qayta birlashishi ehtimolini o'ldiradi.
Agar hozirdanoq Prezidentlarimiz aqllilik bilan ish tutishsa edi, umum turkiy va islomiy goya va an'analarni mafkura darajasiga ko'tarishgan, bu bilan milliy nizolarning oldini olishgan va Turkistonning qayta birlashishi uchun bir qadam oldinga otishgan bo'lardi...