Kolobok -defender of democracy

[Hello]

Thank you very much, Mirzo, for observing democratic norms over here. Despite the fact that the results of your poll was 50/50, you've banned the topic again (Samarqand & Bukhara). You just showed your own way of freedom of speech: tell me what I want to hear! Are you inspired by a high-ranked lad in Tashkent?

I was sure that you would ban the topic certainly; "freedom" is just an empty sound to you, isn't it? Never mind. We'll keep in touch with all of you somehow & don't let you forget us competely. Because the TRUTH should be told.

See ya

[Alouddin]

Thank you very much, Mirzo, for observing democratic norms over here. Despite the fact that the results of your poll was 50/50, you've banned the topic again (Samarqand & Bukhara). You just showed your own way of freedom of speech: tell me what I want to hear! Are you inspired by a high-ranked lad in Tashkent?

I was sure that you would ban the topic certainly; "freedom" is just an empty sound to you, isn't it? Never mind. We'll keep in touch with all of you somehow & don't let you forget us competely. Because the TRUTH should be told.

See ya

hi, 'hello'

u have an outstanding gift of seeing things as they are, huh? :D

Observer

[NOAVATAR]

Hello, please stop this bulshit. don't start it again. I could not vote, because when I wanted, it was already locked. But belive me I would vote for locking that topic. And I will always vote for locking such provocative topics.

Peace..

[MUHLIS]

arkon bereymi? a? Ozini os endi! :D :D :D :D :D :D

[SayFuLLoH]

Ya smotryo bez voyni nelzya!
Kolobok:ti prochitay i podumay,parnishka prav!:-)

Ya smotryo bez voyni nelzya!
Kolobok:ti prochitay i podumay,parnishka prav!:-)
Vjik ne poddavaysya emotsiyam. ne obrashay vnimaniye na eto. Shto ti hochesh shtobi provokatori dobilis svoego da? Znayesh entriga eto vesh gryaznaya. Esli otkrit podobniye topiki oni mogut prevrashat forum na voynu mejdu nam i tadjikam.
To real reader: Yesli topik bil bi otkrit yesho na paru minuti to golosi za zakritiye topika bili bi ravno 100%-0.
Toest vse bi golosavali za zakritiya foruma v tom chisle i ya.

[SayFuLLoH]

Vobsheta ya Tashkentskiy=Uzbek:-)
No vse ravni na etom svete! :)

[Chitatel]

Mde bedniy Arthur vse uspokoitsya ne mojet. No pohoje ego ocherednaya aktsia s imitatsiyey voleizliania shirokih mass trudyashihsya opyat zakonchilas porajeniyem. Arthur, navernoye uje pora obratitsya k vrachu. Tvoya bolezn zashla slishkom daleko. :(

Cheers

что за бред ето тема вообще?

[Hello]

Eto bred Chitatel'ya, dorogoy Guest. On nikak ne mozhet ugomonitsya i do six por bredit sam s soboy; porazhenie slishkom tyazheloe. K tomu zhe ego nemuzhestvennost' proyavilos' do togo yasno, chto emu uzhe ne po sebe. On ne smog otvetit' ni na odin chetkiy vopros, postavlennyi Readerom i poyavlyaetsya tol'ko dlya togo, chtob pokazat' svoi zuby: "Aga, ty eshe zdes'? A ya uzhe ne v silax!"

See ya

[Hello]

Dear Kolobok,

I think you'd better close down your creature at all, because it is not reflecting the real stance of the problems & you allow only your allies to have their discussions open & you keep undesirable (to you) discussions locked up. Isn't it shameful to you, Mirzo? You are just exposing your reluctance to listen to your opponents & this is a real weakness a person should be ashamed for.

See ya

[MUHLIS]

Dear Kolobok,

I think you'd better close down your creature at all, because it is not reflecting the real stance of the problems & you allow only your allies to have their discussions open & you keep undesirable (to you) discussions locked up. Isn't it shameful to you, Mirzo? You are just exposing your reluctance to listen to your opponents & this is a real weakness a person should be ashamed for.

See ya
People look he is daring to toch moderators personality now (well he has no other chances I guess)..........
Who is is he????? Do we need him here? Why?
I personally reccomend to BLOCK THIS PERSON FROM THE FORUM!!!!

[Hello]

Hi, Mukhlis, the great ancestor of Tamerlane,

You could do even more, if you would move your sticky brains: just think how your Great Predecessor used to fight his foes. He had a more effective tactic to keep his rivals silent. You know it better than me, don't you? Don't you want to build up "kalla-manora"-s out of your opponents in here? Probably then you'll succeed, Mukhlis-bay, to shut your opponents up in here, won't you?

See ya

[free radical]

poskol'ku topik yavlyaetsya dlya viyasneniya lichnih otnoshenii nekotorih goryachih golov, predlagayu Moderatorom perevesti etot topik v razdel Flame ili prosto zakrit ego.

P.S. kak na schet ispitat' ditziplinarnie meri po otnosheniyu provocatora, t.e. Hello? ;)

[Hello]

Free radical,

Do you mean construction of "kallamanora"-s when you say "disciplinarnye mery"? Nu davay, popytaysya, avos' ty tozhe budesh' geroem! ;)

See ya

[ganjubas]

Hello you should address MegaZ.
When in a forum before posting something, or before expressing yourself you think about will the moderator like it or not, then it's not a forum. It's something like uzbek-press. You can't post what you want, you can't express yourself in the way you want. When one user, who by some lucky chance got a moderator and shuts everyone's mouth up then it is not a fair place where you can exchange opinions. By closing the topic the moderator will do nothing but worsen hostility of some tadjiks towards uzbeks and vise-versa. I was reading that topic and what I understood was that most uzbeks and tajiks understand each other well, and they understand the problem they have. And they don't blame each other.
For example reader used a word fascistic towards uzbek government. Could the moderator who closed the topic give me definition or some ideas about fascism? As I know shortly it's putting interests of government over interest of individual. Isn't it what we have in Uzb. I don't support reader, but I can see that he has his own reasons to think differently. From discriminated tajik perspective everything bad in Uzb. seems to be forwarded to his nation. Why shouldn't we listen his point?
When we feel presence of a moderator who can close this or that topic, we'll of course not express ourselves freely.
Most of you know how people, mostly journalists were happy when the censor #1 of Uzb was retired. The same will happen in this forum when the moderator who closes topics will be no more moderating the forum.
Why should one young guy with no high education should judge which topic is good which is not?
Isn't it interesting to listen to fascist, communists/marksists, nationalists? It's as interesting as listening to idealists, realists and pessimists. So why shouldn't we let people of all sorts to have same right of voice?
Moderation of whatever we do and whatever we say delivered the crisis our motherland nowadays experience. Don't be "baran"s and "harip"s. By being happy of closure of topics you hate you put yourself in a position of a "baran".

[SayFuLLoH]

ganjubas:rosa kotini kinaganga ohshisanu a?;-)))

[noodles]

ganjubas:rosa kotini kinaganga ohshisanu a?))


LoL

[ganjubas]

To Vjik
In topic "Tojiki navis, Tojiki navis" you(Vjik) wrote "F@#k all tajiks. Uzbekistan is not for tajiks." Because I know that you can't say this into my face, and because you dare to say something like that only online, in a forum I think you're a prime example of a "harip" of Siege, a slave who thinks he's free. Even if you're free of your owner, you're not free of psychology of a slave.
I don't want to call all you guys "barans" but so many of you deserve to be called so...

Hurmatli KOLOBOK
Bu kabi topiklarni yopib yahshi ish qilibsiz.Menimcha bunday topiklar provakatsdiya qilish uchun tojiklarni ozbeklarga yomon qilib korsatish uchun qilinyabkan ishlar.agar etibor bersangiz ularning postlari puhta oylangan provakatsiya metodlariga mos tushadi.Birinchi zaharli sozlarni gapirishni boshlashadi keyin tabiyki kimdir salomiga yarasha alik olganda dod,voy solishni boshladi.Men oylaymanki bundan keyin bunaqa tipdagi topiklar ochilishi bilan avtomatik ravishda yopib tashlashingizni sorayman.Oldin ham aytgandim osh,fargona da bolgan voqealarni eslab korin u paytda ham mana shunaqa "halqhimoyachilari" bunday ishlarni tashkil qilishda muhim rol oynashgan bularga na uqalqni na bu halqni manfati kerak.Hozir vatanimizda halqlar tinch yashayapkanini korolmayapkanlar bor ana shunaqalr ilijo boricha bor kuchi bilan bizni halqlar orasiga nifoq solishga harakat qilishadi.Bugun ozbeklar orasida tojiklarni yomon korsatishadi ertaga tojiklar orasida shu ishni qilishida keyin qarabsizki yana osha 10 yillar oldin bolib otgan voqealar qaytariladi.
Men bularni provakator deyapkaniomni sababi ularni posti diskusiya qilish metodini aytyapman ular normal diskusiya qilishga kelgan odamlar emas.ularni boshqalarni fikri umuman qiziqtirmaydi.Ular hukumatga qarshimiz ozbek halqiga qarshiligimiz yoq deyishyaptiku lekin bizni tarihiy shahislarimizni kelib chiqishimizni kamsitshaypyi har hl zahartli gaplarni gapirshyapti .Va eng yomoni tojik nomidan gapirshyapti.Tabiyki buni korgan harqangi ozbekni ichida tojiklarga nisbatan nafrat paydo bolishni boshlaydi.buni ozligiyam yahshi tushunishadi.chunki ularga ozi shu kerak.
Shuning uchun kelinglar olov olanga olib ketmasdan vaqtida ochirilik.agar shunaqa topiklar ochilishi bilan ovtomatik ravishda ochirsangiz tojik va ozbeklarni fanfatiga hizmat qiladigan ish qilgan bolardingiz.

P.S:Lekin provakatorlaga ishonuchilani ozi haqiqiy "Baran" dir.

[Chitatel]

ganjubas ne razvodi demagogiyu. Za vsemi krasivimi slovami o "fashistkom" Uzbekistane, stoit zverinaya nenavist k etoy strane. Nikto ne sporit chto u Uzbekistan'a mnojestvo problem, deystvitelno zakrivayutsya shkoli i biblioteki. No tolko li tajikskie? Skolko bilo zakrito za posledniye godi shkol i bibliotek po vsemu Uzbekistan'u, v chastnosti v selskoy mestnosti. Stradayut vse narodi Uzbekistana, ne zavisimo ot etnicheskoy prinadlejnosti. I v takoy situatsii, vipachivat trudnosti odnoy natsii, kak naibolee ugnetennoy i postradavshey prosto ne etichno. Ne nado izobretat ocherednoy holokost.
Naschet zakritia topika "Samarqand & Bukhara...." Ya dumayu eto vpolne zakonomerno. Esli tebe ne len, ganjubas perechitay etot topik s samogo nachala i ti uvidesh, chto osnovnoy temoy bili nekie territorialnie pretenzii i popitka prodemonstrirovat rassovoye i kulturnoye prevoshodsvo. Vot neboolshoy primer "kulturnogo dialoga" vzyatogo ottuda:

Sluchaynno zabrel na etot forum. Da v pechetlenie u menya ne samie horoshie, osobenno kogda chitau uzbatskuyu rech' vse volosi dibom vstaut, ot prizreniya k nim! Uzbaki vi posmatrite na sebya....vas daje vashi turki (kirgizi, kazahi, turkmeni) nenavidyat.....s kazahami granicu zakrili, turkmeni vashego posla v sheu pognali, s kirgizami v odnostoronem poryadke razrushaete mosti i zakrivaete granicu...oglenites' na sebya...chto v prezrenii k vam vinovati drugie? Ya uje ne budu govarit' za Tadjikov, nashego k vam prizreniya hvatit let etaki na 200, vas vse vashi sosedi NENAVIDYAT, i v etom vasha vina! Tadjiki velikaya naciya, vsyo, chto vi imeite eto Tadjitskoe, krome vashego myagko govarya ujastnogo na sluh yazika. Daje pozvolu sebe po ehidnechat', vse dengi vashey strani nahodyatsya v rukah Samarkandskih Tadjikov, chto bi vi nedelali, a mi vsyoje opyat nad vami Ya eli chestno, k normalnim uzbakom, otnoshus' normalno, no vi sami naprashivaetes' na nenavist' i prizreniya, vashim tupizmom i shofinizmom na pustom meste! Uzbaki, ne igrayte s ognem, ne nakalyayte situaciu do kriticheskogo urovnya, odumaytes' stan'te ludmi, mojet bit' vas potom prostat vashi sosedi!

Boyus chto podobnogo roda opusi ne sposobstvuyut vzaimo ponimaniyu mejdu narodami. Tak chto Ya polagayu moderatersvo blago dlya etogo foruma. A komu ne nravitsya mojet pereiti na bolee "liberalnie forumi", na pomoiku tipa "Centrasia.ru"

Cheers

I don't want to call all you guys "barans" but so many of you deserve to be called so...

a takıye slova?
shto vi na eto skajete?
mojet teper obozvyom tadjikov "lyulushkami" no ni vseh koneshno but so many of you deserve to be called so...

[Hello]

Dear Ganjubas,

Thank you very much for resisting against this bunch of intimidated brain-washed & sometimes brain-dried guys, who are terribly scared to hear the voice of truth & to face their own realities, like a ostrich hiding their heads in the soil & imagining that all problems have been solved, while problems are increasing dramatically & people like Chitatel' preaches his religion of slavery again.

These pictures give a certain impression: UMID.UZ IS RUN BY PRO-GOVERNMENTAL PEOPLE & of course, there can't be any kind of freedom of speech in such a forum. This is just a "show of democracy" which is among the favorite tactics of the fascistic government of Uzbekistan.

The word "fascistic" in "S & B Again!" was applied only in regard with the Uzbek government by no means with the Uzbek people. This idea was reiterated thousand times, again & again for deaf ears like Chitatel's emphasizing that the government is under attack of the topic, not the Uzbek people. What was quoted by Chitatel', can be quoted from Uzbek users too, which sounds more terrible than the quoted one. UZBEK wrote:


Nedarom govoryat

It tojik itdan tarqagan kot tojik woahahahahhahaha TAk vam i nada izgnanci Tadjikistan yebali, YEBUT i budut YEBATY vas v Uzbekistane uahahahahaha ya sam lichno yebal v rot Samarkandskuyu tadjichku hehe ne shlyuhu a foreing educated one woahahahahah tadjik guys are sux she told me!!!
Hehe ne vam proiznosity golos v Uzbekistane hehe tut v forume u can tell whadeve ok but in reality you are only LOOSERS s bolshoy bukvoy mne neskolko ne obidno za vas uahahahaha yahooooooooooooo

UZBEKISTAN ROCKS YAHSAVOR UZBEK millati tojik itdan past va gadoy bulib kelgan shu paytgacha va bulib keladi ham uahahahahahahah IT TOJIK


A Guest wrote:


bu tegi past tojik eshaklarni undan battar qilish kerak


There are a plenty of such nonsense, far more from Uzbek chauvenists...
But the core of the topic is a real problem, a question to be discussed. As you mentioned, there were many moments when between Tajik & Uzbek users a sort of compromise was being formed, but every time it was disrupted by provocators like Chitatel' & Kolobok did the worst obeying Chitatel's orders: locked the discussion and lost his own reputation & honour of a fair moderator. Now nobody trusts that his words of truth (let it be his/her own truth) cannot be erased or locked by "powerful hands of our Almighty Moderator".
Mirzo, you should know that your masque of a fair moderator slipped away by locking that topic ("Samarqand & Bukhara Again!" Once you tried to return your good reputation by launching a poll, but again Chitatel & his gang forced you to close it down too, because they were terrified that the "S & B" topic was going to get unlocked & you are not a respectful moderator for all of users anymore. Even for users who tell you that it was a good job to lock the topic. They now know that you can be controlled by them.

However, Mirzo, the sun is not gonna disappear when you shut your eyes. It keeps shining. Thus that topic will come again & again, again & again, you you'll keep locking & locking, but they will be still coming & coming. You see? A long cycle, isn't it? So, you have to be prepared for such a hard job or try to get back your respect & reputation, Kolobok.

See ya

[MegaZ]

Oh shit ... here we go again. I am moving this topic to "Flame". Go ahead and flame as much as you want.

And one more thing - if I see another topic about Tajiks and Uzbeks, I will simply delete it. Just like I deleted a topic a minute ago - something like "Samarkand and Bukhara again". Being half-Tajik myself, I HATE those who bring war and misunderstandings between the two great nations who always lived in piece.

[noodles]

Whoever posted that topic about tajiks and uzbeks perhaps done that in order to reach consensus and to clarify the relations of two nations in Uzb, but what did he/she get? Just a worse! No benefit, it only burnt another flame. And users that are posting such kinda topic again and again also trying to set the same fire again. Why don't you understand that it's impossible. I see that many of you read that topic and posted many times ur views on that and of course saw the result of that post. And in order to cut this over you again trying to do the same shit. C'mon people, don't be so childish...indeed, that's enough to play a fool. Better, never think of it and consider yourslef as a part of this damned problem. Feel that it's not like that at all. I myself even live with a huge amounts of tajiks never seen such a problem, i can reassure you on that. Just here in forum i read such shit about tajiks and uzbeks. I got a lot of tajik buddies from Samarkand, Dushanbe, Bukhara, Chust, Kasansay and i really respect them not as tajiks or sthg just because I see on thier face a real person. Let's be nice to each other ppl, we all civilized let's not get wild again!!!

have a luck, guys;)

TO ALL TAJIK,

Whoever posts anything negative about Tajiks is only expressing his personal opinion, and does not represent the entire Uzbek nation. Those rude people are just idiots whom you should try to ignore.