What'd be your policy to govern Uzbekistan ?

[noodles]

detailed question is here (http://uznga.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44)

[trigger-happy]

My policy to govern UZ? I don't know, I don't know. First of all, I'd get myself a top-notch TEAM of economists, lawyers, politologists, diplomats, etc. to create a strong Cabinet that could come up with the historically tested solutions to all the problems facing us at that time. I'd NEVER close convertation (is it a word?) and thus create a black market screwing up the economy. I'd never establish sky-high taxes for manufacturing businesses, so we could consume local goods today. But then again, I'm not a Prez and he is, so he must have some brilliant ideas that I don't. ;)

[noodles]

trigger-happy, nice it'd be:) What'd you do with the oppozition?

[trigger-happy]

Have a beer with them, I suppose and have it out like man-to-man. We'd see how they'd oppose me then. Imprisoning opposition is for pussies!

[noodles]

trigger-happy, what if they'd have opposed as I.A.Karimov's opposition did?

[trigger-happy]

trigger-happy, what if they'd have opposed as I.A.Karimov's opposition did?
Avaz, I was little when those events took place. How exactly did they oppose him - by proposing a democracy? Please expand.

[noodles]

trigger-happy, the same with me, but i heard some about that. But I'm not sure how those facts are right or wrong. I heard that the opposition's actions just didn't suit the ones that Karimov liked.

[trigger-happy]

Avaz, there is no leader in the world who is unopposed. You can deal with it honorably, like a man. Or you can try to silence everyone you don't like. I'd prefer to deal with it like a man, face to face over a bottle of beer. ;)

[noodles]

trigger-happy, what a coincidence that we got the same opinion on this topic ;) Good Luck ;)

[NOAVATAR]

there are some books written by western politologists about Uzbekistan's recent history. I saw some, and they are really impressive. They have all the story of Uzbek opposition, how it developed, and how it dissapeared. They have a proof for every statement they made in the book. References are made to some newspapers and official documents. I forgot the exact names of the books, Trigger-happy, if you go to you university's library(not in Uzbekistan, Max, sorry for that) I am sure you ll find this book among Turkestan related books. Probably the name of the book was "TURKESTAN"

[Silence]

Мягкая автократия с максимально возможным сокращением бюрократического аппарата. Для чего несомненно пришлось бы создавать сильную и привлекательную харизму. :)
А оппозиции не помешало бы быть готовой на конструктивный диалог, нежели на борьбу с оружием в руках. Ой замечталась что то ...:)
С уважением, Silence.

[Royal]

Tochno takoy vopros bilo zadao Henry Kissengeru v priyome u IAK:

? Vot, esli Vi bilo bi presidentom UZB chto bi VI delali bi ?

Otvet:

- Nu, Pust kajdie delaet svoe delo.

[noodles]

Royal: cc5ff426, a chto bi ti delal?:)

[Royal]

Iqtisodda bir gap bor: "Raqobat bozorni yaratadi", har qanday tortushuvda haqiqat yuzaga keladi.

- Davlat tepasiga chiqishni sababi nima ?
- Nimaga shuncha topolon bilan davlat tepasiga chiqadi ?
- Asosiy maqsadi nima ?
- Halqni talab Ozini chontagini toldirishmi ?
- Qanday asosiy masala oldida boladi ?

Agarda davlat boshligini orniga yana bir yangisi keladigan bolsa va bu yangisi ham oz chontagidan boshga narsani oylamasa unda yangi boshliqni nima keragi bor, chunki BIR TOQNI orniga bir OCH kegani boladimi , yana bir qaroqchi keladimi huddi zulukkga oh'shagan hammani qonini soradigan, ha, hech kimda manimcha qon ham qolmagan bolsa kerak ozi.
UZBda 11yil oldin katta ekonomik va siyosiy hatolarga yol qoyildi va endi yana ancha yillar kerak boladi UZBni togri yoliga tushirish uchun va u payitlar dunyo ekonomikasi bunchalik past emas edi .
Kim biladi UZB ni butun dunyoga bolgan qarzi qancha va bu qarz qay tarzda tolanayapti.

Kechirasizlar agar meni javobim sizlar soragan savoldan tashqariga chiqgan bolsa , chunki bu masalalar asosiy masalalar ham.

Hurmat bilan
yoki Sizlarcha

Hurmatla,

[Ali Baba]

Hoy, Ozbekistonni kelajagini hal qilish nashakurlarga qolibtida ah?
Chakishdan bormi ozi?

[noodles]

Royal: cc5ff426, shu ve boshqa shunga o'hshagan masalalarni oldini olish uchun nimalar qilish kerak, konkret fikr bormi?

[Royal]

MAX, Thank You for asking this question, but I am not Politision or economist . I am just simple person working & feeding my family (ishlab oilani boquvchi).

Well, First of all this only our imaginations, becouse as always goes wisa-versa - totally oposite.

Would be better to gather 10-20-30 as much required analitics-consultants (self motivated and grown youngsters) for each type of industry and/or economy of the system. Send every 2 analitics send to analize the situation on ech field of industry separately than the from each other to have real picture of the real situation in very short time frame.

Taxes lowered, Tax laws make punishments severe for cheaters on the taxes,
but give certain room up to 5 % to make an mistaces with recordings to they records, after 3 records, that would be not a mistake.
Tax break to exporting companies Importing also should be done exchange for export, like "A" company exported about from 1000 to up to 1 MLN $ products own production and semy own production and that company has RIGHT to Import for the amount of @500 000 or more , but less than @1mln $ accordingly the exported value. From this local economy start grow, slowly but steady.
Also here shows Debit & Credit of the hard currency fluctuation. And those IMP/EXP companies to have free access to exchange option or to HARD Currency account for usage of transactions.

Of cource if started this all gonna look a like mirage and to small pieces for each issue. With out sertain information woukd be very difficult to judge of real situation.

Main issue would be all the history of outstanding PAYABLE OBLIGATIONS of the current system to the world financial institutions of the in face LOANS, BONDS, BORROWINGS, PROMISARY NOTES and court desicions against Government Commercial Agencies or Departments and etc, etc....

Only after gathering the all the analitical information could be possible to see the
real picture and from that point to make desicion what is first and what is next....

As our people say: SICKNES COME AS A TONN, BUT LEAVES BY A GRAMM....
"Kassalik botmonlab kelib , misqollab ketadi degan gap halqimizda.

Hurmat ila

[noodles]

after all this how can you say that you're not an economist? :P

[Royal]

A chto nelzya ?

Ya do sih nemogu ponyat : Pochemu UZB vseh svoih zavodov i fabrik ne mogut chtobi oni rabotali na polnuyu silu, Est-li Kitay postavlyaet takuyu barkovannuyu tovar, pochemu UZB fabriki ne mogut sdelat eto bolee kachestvenna i prodavat v Mirovuyu rinok. 24 chasa mojet eto zavodi - fabriki neskolko tisyachi rabochih budet zanyato s rabotay i Za granitsoy mojet rabotat ochen mnogo rebyat (s ili bez semyiami) vrode kak Vi ili ostalnie rebyata po prodaju UZB tovarov, dlya etoga ne nado imet sklad, ne nado imet bolshoy office, NADO IMET GOLOVU i sistemu kommunikatsii , tolko nado rabotat potihonku s uchastiyami vezde i vsyakih torgovih vistavkah.

Ne mogu skazat kak eto mojno sdelat eto no posle takih realnih podhodov k voprosam mojno bilo-bi UZB podnyat i Vsem bilo bi horosho, zdes narod s rabotoy, hozyava s dolyami vezde (ponemnojku) i srednaya sreda toje rabotala bi vo vsem mire. I zdes toje est odin no U nashih vsegda odin vopros : DAVAY SEYCHAS.

Prostite esli ya ne po temu

S Uvajeniem

Royal

[Royal]

prostite,
Kogda ya hotel skazat kakaya raznitsya mejdu kitaytsami i uzbekami (krome tsveta koji i glaz) ? Te je ruki , nogi ili Nashi vsegda hotyat bolshe chem nujen emu ?

[noodles]

Royal: 2760655f, good. But ours used to get from abroad wether create it for themselves ... too sad...

[Royal]

Privet Max A.

Znaya chto to, smeshno ili ne seryozno, ya mogu skazat, kak v knigah o Zakonadatelstvah Vorov (Vori v Zakone).

Nelzya krast u svoego, Nelzya imet bolshe chem ot svoego nujdi, ostalnoe doljna idti v obshak. Kogda voruyut u svoih nazivaetsya krisyatnikami.
Do etogo v drugom topike ya raskazival: o KRISAH (po bolshomu potomu chto eti bolshie krisi) begut s etogo diryavogo lodki, no oni begut kak oni berut doski i gvozdi s etogo-je lodki, a im je seravno chto budet ostalnie potomu chto oni BOLSHIE KRISI. "
Ya eto dlya primer privyol v svoyo vremya kogda otkrivali site KabMin -a UZB na stroke URL na sekundu pyavlyalsya nadpis www..........com\.....\... \obshak...

Zdes mi mojem viskazatsya ochen mnogih sentomentalnih sochustvie na storonu UZB, a ot etogo vihodit tolki vizdihaniy i vsyo.
Za slishkom seryoznie viskazivanie mogut obvinit o podstrekatelstvu protiv DEMOKRTATISHESKOGO GOSUDARSTVA , komu nujen ne nujnie slova kogda hot im podavay formulu po izgotovleniyu zolota iskustvenno. Kogda mi uchilis v shkole u nas bilo urok PRAVa , togda uchitel raskazival : Esli kto nibud naydyot klad to gosudarstva ego nagrajdaet 30% obshey stoimosti etogo klada, no lutshe ne nahodit etogo proklyatogo klada, estli hochesh jit spokoyno.

Nu ladno nado rabotat, uzoqdagi quyruqdan yaquindagi opka yahshi.

S Uvajeniem

Royal

[Half-life]

All the fabrics and factories we got from USSR has old technology and we can't produce moderns products which is internationaly competetive and exportable!

[Royal]

All the fabrics and factories we got from USSR has old technology and we can't produce moderns products which is internationaly competetive and exportable!

I have lots of questions fore You:

1. Where You would like to export to Switherland ? or You talking world
wide ? Each country has own specifications ? Do anyone learn who is
looking what ?
2. In what quantity ?
3. In what grade ?
4. Could be done with what You have ?
5. Could be get that all loans part of it to use in this projects ?
(Like usage of loan for the education 108,5mln to use in this kind
project and tell to factory officials to sponcor the education of the
techers and students for PC skills ?)
6. That anyone calculated how much is costing of the material produced
from the old USSR machinery from that machinery You do not have
any debt ?

If You check the WORLD COTTON statistical information if available for You that UZB is in last for usage of own cotton raw material.

This kind talk only talk for laisy people, Please bring machinery, bring us technology, bring knowledge people and after we will join YOu. GOOD LUCK./

[R Lyra]

Ancient numbers from Uzbekistan. Please link to:
http://www.geocities.com/rmlyra/arabic.html
Thank you. R Lyra. From BRAZIL south America

[noodles]

R Lyra: 75d83a1a, cheap advertisement.

[Royal]

Ancient numbers from Uzbekistan. Please link to:
http://www.geocities.com/rmlyra/arabic.html
Thank you. R Lyra. From BRAZIL south America

Good to know , that You know what is from where .

Royal
neighbor planet.

[noodles]

privatization will help with exportable and competetive products.

[Royal]

PRIVATIZATION

Today purchase tomorrow thy will take no matter what !

How many people lost they properties or factories ?

Aby garantees ?

If private people purchases the government issued bonds or other valuable papers for certain time or period , when time up they just bankrupt that place. Urraa. So people endup with most valuable toilet papers if that could be used there.

[noodles]

Today purchase tomorrow thy will take no matter what !

so i meant there should be open privatization :)

How many people lost they properties or factories ?

how many government gained ;)

Aby garantees ?

Government should provide that guarantee.

If private people purchases the government issued bonds or other valuable papers for certain time or period , when time up they just bankrupt that place. Urraa. So people endup with most valuable toilet papers if that could be used there.

would you clarify this plz...

[Royal]

[quote]
Today purchase tomorrow thy will take no matter what !

so i meant there should be open privatization :)
in 90s everything went to privatization - privatization calculation was based on equipment and property - as long as property and equipemnt was so old they just calculate the amortization part and just sign the papers and stamped with buttom of the VODKA bottle. (You do understand what its means that).

So, now UZB Rep.Prosecutors office and all the other related or who is not laisy moving against such a privatized property companies and seizing the properties arresting the people of that companies who has the privatized properties: You people take this property from UZB people bribing the previose gov.officials they was crooked and rotten, so now we have to calculate this property from top to buttom after that real and fare value of this property will be issued, if You interested You maypurchased otherwise would state property and freely would be sold at the auction. UUrrraaaa.
Freeedom.

Here no one asking or stating that in the begining of the 90s exchange rate of $.

I remember that in that time I was in office of very close friend that he was trying to prepare the UZB financial report , Whole world was asking for this kind a financial info, becouse they would like to know with whom they dealing with, but what is came from UZB, even You will scream loud
that if converted from soms to $, that time will show that UZB financial report was equal or less than the average trading company's turn around.


continue...

[Royal]

MaxHow many people lost they properties or factories?

how many government gained ;)
As I say in above that government may gain or may not gain, that for sure people-gov.officials will stoled anyway, point is people defenetly loose.
Any gurantees ?
Government should provide that guarantee.
Based on what, could anyone can give gurantees for JUNK BONDs.
Government is self doing this or/and people who is in government is, so You think they will gurantees also ?????? Oh, Yes....defenetly.[/B]
If private people purchases the government issued bonds FOR GOVERNMENT OWWNED ENTERPRISESor other valuable papers for certain time or period , when time up they just bankrupt that place. Urraa. So people endup with most valuable toilet papers if that could be used there.
Which part of it....anyway i just add sentence there.

[DELL]

salom vsem. ya uje pochti 3 goda ne bil v UZB i znayu o situacii v ney tolko ponaslishke to est uznayu o ney kogda razgovarivayu po tell s druzyami i rodnimi..
ya dumayu chto dictatura ona ne mojet sushestvovat bez podderjki,eto virajaetsya applodismentami v address diktatora kogda on provozglashaet kakoy libo ocherednoy bestolkoviy ukaz, kogda po otnosheniyu k tebe primenyayut diktaturu vlasti ( ne zakona a vlasti) kogda ktoto otkrivaet kakoy libo maaaalenkiy magazinchik dumaya o 1000 blagih namereniyah a k nemu cherez mesyac uje prihodyat s nalogovoy i dokapivayutsya, na zavtra prihodyat s ses , potom iz milicii potom departament torgovli potom pojarniki potom eshe i eshe i eshe... priodyat s namereniyami "podoit" hotya eto takieje lyudi kak mi s vami... ili kogda vi idete v roddom spravitsya o zdorov'e jeni a vas ne puskayut poka ne dadite vzyatku ... ili kogda vi sami v univere ne uchite i govorite pro kakogo nibud prepoda kotoriy ne beret vzyatki chto on svoloch' potomu chto on ne beret vzyatku i ne stavit vam zachet.. chem eto otlichaetsya ot togo kogda ktoto privatiziruet benzokolonki ili neftebazu ?.. chem??? pomoemu nichem.. prosto pomoemu nado pravilno vesti SEBYA i togda vse budet OK. takje mojno vozdeystvovat na svoego soseda chtob on vel sebya pravilno i tak mojno mnogogo dostignut.. no poka v UZB slovo "patriot" budet kak rugatelstvo , dami i gospoda stoyat mi budem u razbitogo korita...

[fox]

My policy to govern UZ? I don't know, I don't know. First of all, I'd get myself a top-notch TEAM of economists, lawyers, politologists, diplomats, etc. to create a strong Cabinet that could come up with the historically tested solutions to all the problems facing us at that time.


I wonder where we could find such people :)
Historically tested solution - how many years of history of free market do we have? :) 50? 100? :)


I'd NEVER close convertation (is it a word?) and thus create a black market screwing up the economy.


I wouldn't open it that early thus avoiding flood of import.



I'd never establish sky-high taxes for manufacturing businesses, so we could consume local goods today.

Many local manufacturers and joint ventures have some tax reduction or no tax at all. the problem is that people strive for easy money just importing goods and selling it.

[fox]

Max: ti chto, reporterom Axborot stal? :)

[noodles]

fox, :lool:

[Royal]

I'd never establish sky-high taxes for manufacturing businesses, so we could consume local goods today.
Many local manufacturers and joint ventures have some tax reduction or no tax at all. the problem is that people strive for easy money just importing goods and selling it.

This is was wrong at the begining ! Instead of start producing locally of general merchandises they start exporting the hard currency >> opposite of modern economy.

They lost golden times of the 90s, if those time they stick with building the economy at this moment should be feeding everyone in the country.

[noodles]

Privatization will have more effect. THere'll be a choice. There'll be result. Production will grow. It's for the benefit of the country and the nation as well.

[Royal]

Privet.

Eh, Max.

Only in books there . Without support of raw materials how the local business man will start doing buisiness, if raw materials is not supplied how production lines can produce ready goods ?

All financial instetitions are only sucking the money from import-95% export-5%.

If logistics groops analizes for financial groops the raw material commodity market and at least try to find out demand of the each type of raw materials in demand so they can able to have some report for them what is what.
So financial groops have chance to purchase with contract for 12 month or 12years depending the demand. So in long run price of raw materials would more competetive than cash purchase one time deals.

In this case business people who invested they last penny to privatization properties, they have ability to borrow raw materials against the they colateral privat property, during this arraival of raw material & departur of finish good to demanding consumer paymets or any financial payment procedures could be done via that financial struture who lend the raw materials. this all has own ssteps which must be followed, in short sentence is this.
Taxing of such interprizes should be structured from employment and production.

That time would be Your words, just seeing river start taking the close off is kind of frustrating.

[noodles]

Without support of raw materials how the local business man will start doing buisiness, if raw materials is not supplied how production lines can produce ready goods ?

Oh, you mean doesn't posses raw materials? then you really surprise me :shock:

All financial instetitions are only sucking the money from import-95% export-5%.
I'm a bit aware of Uzbekistan's export/import rate... but never faced Ex-95/Im-5... any statistics?

If logistics groops analizes for financial groops the raw material commodity market and at least try to find out demand of the each type of raw materials in demand so they can able to have some report for them what is what.
So financial groops have chance to purchase with contract for 12 month or 12years depending the demand. So in long run price of raw materials would more competetive than cash purchase one time deals.

sorry, didn't get your point, would you clarify plz...(PS: what's "groop"?)

[Royal]

Accept my appologies for the gramma mistakes. Becouse I am on virtual network.

Regarding Commodity Support Base was issue of long time ago, but financial group of UZB desided not to go, becouse demand was there.
Why was demand not there, becouse no one trust to privatization structure or will destroy them - with simply regulations and laws for this issue.
Even now only hand full businesses are operating for the export, but majority of them are operating for the import from here is will come deficit.

If start dig further down will come up more, but any reason ?
Almost everything must be reconstructed and re written. I guess.

My foult that I put numbers there, simply I try to express my self that all.