Guest IPs in forum.uz

[MegaZ]

I can make a quick hack to the forum, which will only show IP addresses of guest visitors. What do you think?

This would bring the following benefits:
1) It would encourage people to register if they wanted to stay anonymous.
2) It would solve the problem of "guests" trying to create topics that they will reply as another user (pretending to be another person).
3) Replying to "guest" messages will be easier (one can simply refer to a specific guest's IP).

Also there are some drawbacks:
1) Some people just don't like the idea of registering, because they are afraid that they might reveal some details that would trace their location, etc (which is not true - you can fake location and other information). If users do not want to submit their real e-mail, free yahoo and hotmail accounts are there for them :-)
2) Some people are too lazy to login every time they want to post a reply.

Let me know what you think about this.

[Kolobok]

I can make a quick hack to the forum, which will only show IP addresses of guest visitors. What do you think?
MegaZ,good idea ;)

[Abc]

MegaZ, why don;t you only allow annonymus (IP free) posts in "Uzbekistan-problems and solution" section. But if anyone wishes to post anything in any other sections, then force them to register.

Mr Potatokiller
No offend, but your "suggestion" seems a little bit irrational.
Why is it that forum Uzbekistan and its problems-solutions became such a concern of yours?
Because some people are so freaken afraid of their asses that they don't want to show their ip's location? Why can't those gentlemen and ladies become a registered and normal users as others?
I think forum administrators should treat everybody the same way. Don't give some guests special priveleges like not showing their ip's and so on. if they really would like to be anonymous and really like this forum, they will get registered. It is worth of it.

[XSpider]

I can make a quick hack to the forum, which will only show IP addresses of guest visitors. What do you think?

This would bring the following benefits:
1) It would encourage people to register if they wanted to stay anonymous.
2) It would solve the problem of "guests" trying to create topics that they will reply as another user (pretending to be another person).
3) Replying to "guest" messages will be easier (one can simply refer to a specific guest's IP).

Also there are some drawbacks:
1) Some people just don't like the idea of registering, because they are afraid that they might reveal some details that would trace their location, etc (which is not true - you can fake location and other information). If users do not want to submit their real e-mail, free yahoo and hotmail accounts are there for them :-)
2) Some people are too lazy to login every time they want to post a reply.

To Guest
you bullshit , have ****ed with the wrong dick

Let me know what you think about this.
Megaz - chto ya nedaponyal , chto za fignya ? chto eto znachet ?
predlagayu rasstrelyat vseh
:evil:

prince_uk
Is that your own words and opinions?
you took it from here http://www.russianlink.com/article1.asp?ID=75&text=girls
:D

[MegaZ]

Mr Potatokiller, let's see what other people think :) Cool avatar by the way :)

[MegaZ]

Haha :-) Prince_uk razoblachili :-) LOL

[noodles]

MegaZ, nice idea.

[ganjubas]

What sense it makes if someone wants to be a guest or a registered user? If a topic is not interesting, it's impossible to encourage people to answer it by answering yourself as a guest. And, if some guys want to reply to their topics themselves, they can easily use another comp. Or, it's not so difficult to register twice. In this case I'd choose the option that is more democratic. It's not showing anyone's ip, plus letting everybody open topics/reply them.

[Abc]

I think the process of registration also makes the forum look "tidier".
"what sense does it make if someone is registered or not?"
Imagine if people create topics and leave their names blank, which is what happens most of the time, so you have to have a look at every new topic, some of which simply does not even worth noticing, since it contains a five word question sentence like, "What would you do if you were the president?" But if everyone was registered, you could simply only pick particular topics posted by users who post interesting topic from your point of view, etc etc.

[XSpider]

Haha :-) Prince_uk razoblachili :-) LOL


So, my idea of funny is abit warped today LoL
:x

[Siege]

MegaZ, Отличная идея. Согласен со всеми пунктами!

I can make a quick hack to the forum, which will only show IP addresses of guest visitors. What do you think?

This would bring the following benefits:
1) It would encourage people to register if they wanted to stay anonymous.
2) It would solve the problem of "guests" trying to create topics that they will reply as another user (pretending to be another person).
3) Replying to "guest" messages will be easier (one can simply refer to a specific guest's IP).

Also there are some drawbacks:
1) Some people just don't like the idea of registering, because they are afraid that they might reveal some details that would trace their location, etc (which is not true - you can fake location and other information). If users do not want to submit their real e-mail, free yahoo and hotmail accounts are there for them
2) Some people are too lazy to login every time they want to post a reply.

Let me know what you think about this.


MegaZ:

Ya gde to tebya videl, navernoe tam gde ti uchilsa... ok, ob etom potom :)

Ya vot somnevayus chto eto xoroshaya idea. V otnoshenii guest users, eto otlichnaya idea. No v otnoshenii registrirovannix uchastnikov... ne predstavlyayu kak eto budet viglyadet.
Skajem, uchastnik zashel v forum, poka on ne sdelal Login, vse mogut videt ego IP address? Ya prosto ne ochen to razbirayus v etix veshax.. No esli rech idet tolko o "posted messages", to ya soglasen.

Guest,
LOL.
I bet you don't know what you are talking about. :D

I can make a quick hack to the forum, which will only show IP addresses of guest visitors. What do you think?

This would bring the following benefits:
1) It would encourage people to register if they wanted to stay anonymous.
2) It would solve the problem of "guests" trying to create topics that they will reply as another user (pretending to be another person).
3) Replying to "guest" messages will be easier (one can simply refer to a specific guest's IP).

Also there are some drawbacks:
1) Some people just don't like the idea of registering, because they are afraid that they might reveal some details that would trace their location, etc (which is not true - you can fake location and other information). If users do not want to submit their real e-mail, free yahoo and hotmail accounts are there for them :-)
2) Some people are too lazy to login every time they want to post a reply.

Let me know what you think about this.

I think the status quo should be preserved.
- I am not sure that I understood clearly - how can Registration ensure your anonimity? Private info will be held with admins, though we trust them, they are human beings and live in Uzb - it implies nothing can be secure over there:)

- there's an easy solution to 'guest' problem - people need to use wider choice of temp. nicks everytime they want to stay guests , it's a matter of imagination and I am sure forum participants have abundancy in that.

-in any case if 'guests' pretend to be other 'guests' i don't see much harm of that - and is it really possible to eradicate those sort of piety irregularities...

[Free]

MegaZ,
dumayu chto nenado tak sdelat.Esli oni ne hotyat register pust ne delayut.kak i serdcu ne prikajesh lyudyam toje ne vozmojno to push.Da ty mojesh sdelat svoy hack no pochemu ty dumayesh chto oni budut register to forum.???
a mojet vabshe brosyat zayti v forum togda.Ne zabyvay chto forum.uz eto kak glavniy portal dlya uzbekistantsev.tak i nenado ostranyat teh kto lyubit zayti syuda .Esli vy hotite more users here nado byt vejlee k gostyam.uzbeks are "mehmonsevar" halk emas mi ahir?

Nado nado esho kak nado BECKY , ti vrode ne daponel etot forum .
P.S ya soglasen etim " lyubov eto put k istine "
welcome to Uzbekistan online forum , welcoming smile :P

[MegaZ]

I think the status quo should be preserved.
- I am not sure that I understood clearly - how can Registration ensure your anonimity? Private info will be held with admins, though we trust them, they are human beings and live in Uzb - it implies nothing can be secure over there:)

There is no such thing as "private info" for registered users. If you don't want to tell users your age, your country or your name - you can just fake it. Nobody forces registered users to supply valid information. Remember, we are not FBI :-)

IPs of registered users will be hidden. Being a registered user is better than temp guest. As an example, I can give you "trigger-happy" and "mr. potatokiller". Both users have been active and valuable participants for a couple of weeks now (maybe more). The post count of those users is comparably high, but since they are just "guests", their profiles cannot be saved and thus their post count will always remain zero. So, if someone visits the forum and sees a reply from one of them, he/she wouldn't be able to tell whether "trigger-happy" or "mr. potatokiller" is an active participant or a user who left a message and will probably not come back again in case another reply or argument is posted.

I can't offer any real rewards to registered members, which is why there are ranks and other features available only to registered members.

The biggest benefit of being a registered user, is that you can EDIT your own posts. Sometimes you hit submit and remember that you forgot to add something. Being a guest user, you will not be able to get your message back or change it.

- there's an easy solution to 'guest' problem - people need to use wider choice of temp. nicks everytime they want to stay guests , it's a matter of imagination and I am sure forum participants have abundancy in that.

Yeah, but for some reason most guests forget about the "username" field.

-in any case if 'guests' pretend to be other 'guests' i don't see much harm of that - and is it really possible to eradicate those sort of piety irregularities...

Well, let me give you another example. A user posts a message. Someone replies with a "guest" nickname and curses the topic starter. Another guest visitor (not related to the previous "guest") writes his/her opinion. The topic starter gets pissed off and curses both of them, thinking that they are the same person. This has happened a lot :-) Of course in this case, moderators would take care of the cursing problem, but there are many situations in which two different users post a message and readers think that both messages belong to one person.

Displaying IP addresses of guest posters would at least allow people to refer to them by their IP address - i.e. "To Guest 12.12.12.12" and etc.

[MegaZ]

Вот еще один видный пример. На этой же страничке ответили два разных Guests - у одного IP 129.234.96.46 a у другого 62.252.0.4. Можно сразу понять что писали два разных человека.

[XSpider]

И так , совершилась чуда на худой конец ;)

[SayFuLLoH]

Nado!
Tak kak v Nashville TN mnogo uzbekov,i ne tolka ya polzuyos etim serverom,mnogo kto zahodyat s raznih bibliotek,a zdes govoryat raz TN znachet eto uje cron :(

MegaZ:horosho bilobi!:-)

[spoon]

The poll explains everything =)

[CrazyDT]

Aleek, yeah, and the sample size = the population size ;)

I think administrators' action should lead to whatever that would increase number of posts. If complete anonymity (no display of IP) ensures higher number of posts then this option to be completely anonymous should remain. Basically, it should not scare away people, there is already a preception of this forum being under uz control. But there are good points brought up earlier.

[spoon]

CrazyDT
The sample size can never truly reflect the entire population, it is too small and may not have significant effect. :) And that's volunteer bias.
We are all hearing the voices and notions of the same people over and over. But that's ok too.

think administrators' action should lead to whatever that would increase number of posts. If complete anonymity (no display of IP) ensures higher number of posts then this option to be completely anonymous should remain.

You are all confusing yourself and the others. I don't think anyone expects the rise in number of posts after displaying internet protocols.Personally, I like the quality of posts than quantity. Be democratic, if you like to post as a guest, you are free to do so. You also have a choice to become a registered user and enjoy all forum features (http://www.forum.uz/viewtopic.php?t=11127&start=0).

[CrazyDT]

Aleek, Ok, how about hashing the IP ? Use some hash function to translate real IP to unrecognizable one, so that, whatever you, Aleek, initially intended to use a reference to anonymous users could be implemented, and there are no issues about being afraid to expose your self completely.

Otherwise, anyone could easily tell who is under a particular IP address. For instance, the first guest user on this page, identified by IP: 129.234.96.46, sits in London area, north part. Or the other one, 62.252.0.4, is talking to us directly from Guildford, Surrey UK.

And besides, you wanted to hack some thing in the system. So, it's good opportunity to do so.

[MegaZ]

Aleek, Ok, how about hashing the IP ? Use some hash function to translate real IP to unrecognizable one, so that, whatever you, Aleek, initially intended to use a reference to anonymous users could be implemented, and there are no issues about being afraid to expose your self completely.

CrazyDT, EXCELLENT IDEA! Wow! I guess I'm too stupid to think of a solution like that :)

Thanks a lot, your idea is now implemented :-)

[MegaZ]

Thanks to CrazyDT, our little problem is now solved :-)

Now you can refer to guests by their "Unique ID". One IP will always have the same Unique ID, so it will be easy to figure out if two guest posts belong to one or two different individuals :-)

[MegaZ]

Again thanks to CrazyDT, now when you click on "Guest", Guest's name and his/her unique id will be pasted into the quick reply form. Thus, you don't have to type the unique id into the form :-) This feature is only available to guest posts.

[Delta]

I like my Unique ID thing:

88*99/e^5*f*6 = (speed of light) 299,792,458 m/s WOW rock on! Miracle!!


where, f = 299,792,458 * 88*99/ e^5*6 hehe

thanx for excellent hashing :P

[MegaZ]

Delta, you found a good use of your ID already :) Sweet!

[Delta]

ye, is it possible to hash it.. so it will come up with my driver's license number? :D
, but speed of light thing was miracle

[MegaZ]

ye, is it possible to hash it.. so it will come up with my driver's license number?

You figure it out :)

[Delta]

this ID thing sounds interesting...
if the guy is using Guest.... call him/her Guest Number 345235f3 I think Guest Number 343535f4 is right, but I think (Guest 2342545f6 speaking)
you are both wrong. :D

[Free]

ok esli nado togda sdelayte eto blin.chyo uzatip utirishning kergi yok ku..

[MegaZ]

Becky, I suggest you read the previous 10 posts.

[Vishnya]

MegaZ, ti otlichno sdelal, chto ID pokazivayutsa, ya razoblachila manyaka, kotoriy skrivalsa pod imenom U KNOW ME, eto bil Siege!
SUPER!

[Free]

Vishnya: 0d92902d, congratulations...

[Free]

MegaZ, sometimes man boshka bir internet cafedan kiraman ..
ID toje izmenyaetsya ,a guests cant do this?

[Vishnya]

Vopros k MegaZ: A pochemu ti tak tshatelno pomagayesh Siegu? Ti yego znayesh?

[Kolobok]

LoL :D
Ну вот до чего дожили... :P
Вишня,я уверен МegaZ оброщается ко всем нормальным юсерам одинаково :)

[MegaZ]

Vishnya: 834d85f9, с чего это Вы взяли что я "тщательно" помогаю Siege?

coz yu IFB...
MegaZ , my ID is wrong :(

Vishnya nice pic , thnx
:P ;)

[Vishnya]

MegaZ, ti pryam kak yevrey, kotoriy na vopros otvechayet voprosom...
Mozhesh ne otvechat na moy vopros i tak vsyo s vami yasno.

[Free]

hehee :D :D :D mne jal tya vishnya

[MegaZ]

MegaZ, ti pryam kak yevrey, kotoriy na vopros otvechayet voprosom...
Mozhesh ne otvechat na moy vopros i tak vsyo s vami yasno.
Спасибо за сравнение.

Я спросил, так как на самом деле не понял почему Вы думаете что я кому-либо помогаю (и еще "тщательно", как Вы выразились). И что это с "нами" ясно?

Znayesh, Charos, MegaZ - drug etogo idiota dolbayoba Siega, kogta etot dalbayob materil menya, ya obratilas k MegaZ chto bi on prinyal meri protiv nego, no on skazal, chto on posmotrel yego IP, i chto eto bil ne Siege. Teper ya znayu, chto Moderatory- sami nichego ne stoyat, prodazhniye s***.
A tebe Siege, ya skazhu odno- ti, dolbayob vanuchiy yeshyo poluchish ot Boga svoye nakazaniye, ili ti yego uzhe poluchayesh v vide neudach. Ti- neudachnik s bolshoy bukvi i zaviduyesh, zloradstvuyesh i nayezhayesh na schastlivih lyudey.
Tak vot, lyudi, vi vse teper znayete kto takoy Siege- HONASA!
Siege, dolbayob, yeshyo raz dolbayob i v tretiy raz dolbayob, i ostaneshsa im! San iflos umuman uzbekchani tushunmisanmi? HONASA nima degani deb oyingdan va otangdan soragin , padaringga lanat sani shunaqa tupoy maraz qilib tarbiyalagan.
Lichno manga POHUY nima deb yozishing, sandaka ifloslarni gapini bir tiyinga olmayman, soqim. Koting ochilib qolganidan nima qilishingni bilmay qoldingmi?
Sani kimligini hamma bilsin: PISMIQ, QORQOQ, AYOR, SASSIQ, BACCHABOZ, IFLOS, QISTALOQ, SHAKAL, IKKIYUZLAMACHI, KOFIR, HASADGOY, TOVLAMACHI, ITBASHARA, ESHAK, ITNI KEYINGI OYOGI!
Guest, a ti pomalkivay, tebya nikto ne sprashival, komu stidno a komu net, OK?
1) Я вижу когда дело касается оскорблений, Вы далеко не отстаете от других. Ваш богатый лексикон оставляет желать лучшего.
2) "Moderatory- sami nichego ne stoyat, prodazhniye s***" - перед тем как публично швыряться беспочвенными обвинениями, желательно предварительно подготовить факты и другие доказательства. Я поступил очень глупо когда удалил всю Вашу переписку (http://www.forum.uz/viewtopic.php?t=11515). Видимо хотел защитить Вас от позора... А IP адрес на самом деле отличался от того, что использовал Siege.
3) Насчет продажности и т.д. в мой адрес: поверьте мне, если бы мне было очень нужно защитить Siege или еще кого-нибудь, я бы мог это сделать так, что Вы бы об этом никогда не узнали. Не забывайте, что инициатором идеи по показу IP адресов анонимных пользователей (см. тему данного сообщения) был именно я. Разве не было бы глупо с моей стороны предавать "своих" через IP или ID? Не вижу в этом никакого смысла и логики.
4) Ваши последние сообщения носят оскорбительный характер.

[Vishnya]

Ti hotel menya zashitit ot pozora? Ot kakogo pozora? Nikakogo pozora ne bilo. Menya oskorbili i pri chem bezosnovaniya, no eto yeshyo ne schitayetsa pozorom, dorogoy moy. Pozor togda, kogda nayezhzhayesh na cheloveka kotorogo vashe ne znayesh i pri etom skrivayeshsa kak shakal i boishsa otkrito skazat kto ti na samom dele. Pozor eto togda, kogda molcha proglativayesh vsyo.
A to chto ya pisala eto bilo otvetnoy reakciyey. Prosto tak ya nikogda ne skazala bi nichego takogo, dazhe muhe. Vsyo chto skazano mnoy v adres Siege- eto PRAVDA i on zasluzhivayet etogo, i on zasluzhivayet yeshyo mnogo drugih slov, kotorih ya togda prosto ne vspomnila.
OK, yesli ti ne soglasen s moim obvineniyem i schitayesh, chto ya tebya oskorbila nezasluzhenno, to proshu prosheniya i postaraysa zabyt eto. Ne hochu chto bi ti bil obizhen na menya i obidu nosil v sebe. Eto nehorosho dlya menya. No yesli ti i vpravdu vinovat, ya poprosila prosheniya i tebe ot etogo legche ne stanet, a mne stanet, ponyatno?

[trigger-happy]

МегаЗ, ти прям как евреы, коториы на вопрос отвечаыет вопросом...
Можеш не отвечат на моы вопрос и так всё с вами ясно.
Класс! Ещё одна антисемитка...

[Vishnya]

Trigger-happy, a MegaZ bil ochen dazhe pol'shyon etim komplimentom...Dazhe skazal spasibo za sravneniye.

Vishnya: c9f20706,
Слушай ты папина дочка!
Я захожу на этот форум чтобы узнать новости и тому подобное, а не твои с каким то идиотом проблемы, ты поняла?
Да ну нахрен мне ваши проблемы, я прав?
Коль ты такая могучая и имеешь столька знакомых и братьев богатырей, так замочи найди и замочи его на месте!
Нефиг тут кричать во вся мощь, если ничего толком не можешь сделать!
И данная тема никаким боком не относится к твоей проблеме, врубилась?
Так что, харе базарить тут!
Была бы ты нормальной девушкой, ты бы в таком форуме вообще не сидела!
Пока.

Модераторы, так закройте эту тему нахрен.
Я вижу вопрос об "Guest IPs in forum.uz" уже решился, так что пора закрывать тему.
С уважением,
Guest b5561ae2

[trigger-happy]

Была бы ты нормальной девушкой, ты бы в таком форуме вообще не сидела!
Обижаешь! А я что, ненормальная?

[Vishnya]

OOOOOOOOOOO, vi tolko posmotrite, kto otozvalsa- GUEST. Nu, yesli etot forum ne mesto dlya horoshih devushek, to ti sam (sama) chto zdes delayesh? Hochesh skazat chto ti nenormalniy, yesli zahodish v etot forum?

[MegaZ]

Тема закрыта.