TURKISH HIGH SCHOOLS IN UZBEKISTAN

[T.H.S]

Hi folks
why do you think our f**king govrement had closed all Uzbek-Turk High Schools in Uzbekistan?
and why T.H.S graduaders are always discriminated in all uzbek unversities.
I know there was some plitical problems between our countries.
But don't u see that our goveremnt has disagreements with all it's neighbors and with improtant strategic countries like Turkey,Russia..etc.
Even russians allowed turkey to open sush schools in their territory.I know one t.h.s in Moscow where russians,and other nationalities are studing .I know in Kazakastan tukish unversity is getting larger and larger year by year.And they have no restrics there,
Even U.S.A permited to open 40 T.H.S in their lands.
So what is the main reasons of our govrement's actions against T.H.S ?
is it on of the anti-nation steps of our govrement which rejim is much more worse than Stalin's ?
Or like one of the guest(another topic) said "they want to produce another generation of "sheeps" who will be easily controled?"

Need your comments

[noodles]

T.H.S: 43ee08c0, we have talked about this issue a lot, search for this topic. Anyways, I'll say sthg about this stuff, THS's closed according to our governmental policy.

[T.H.S]

but it was stupid step wasn't it

[noodles]

T.H.S: 0b2a23f1, anyways, it passed. Nothing to do!

[NOAVATAR]

we have discussed this topic under in "Tanishlarni qidirish" board. The name of topic is "Turkish High schools" if I am not mistaken

[Pax]

That's really a pity.

But allowing Turkish high-schools in Moscow and elsewhere is different. I don't approve it, and I wholeheartedly wish they were reopened, but seem to understand the motivation of the government.

The people of Uzbekistan are quite religious people, and the authorities, IMHO, were just affraid that somehow this will be conductive to promotion of extremism.

There's another point as to why...
Turkey is relatively a more democratic society. Though not without problems, here co-exist quite different people, especially in terms of political attitude.
On the other hand the opposition of UZB, even the moderate, is suppressed by the ruling government. Some of its leaders sought refuge in Turkey, which resulted in confrontation of two "brothers."

When UZB gets rid of the personality cult and, stopping the reprisals against moderate opposition, turns to geniune democracy, we all will have a better opportunity for regional cooperation.

hi, I didn't know that there were THS in USA, interesting indeed

[Free]

oni missiyounery kak i marekantsy v uzbekistane i .oni hoteli chtoby eski turkiy halklarni birlashitib yangi bir kuchli birlik kurishmokchi edila.no eto ne ponravilsya evrope i amerike.vot reason

[NOAVATAR]

no eto ne ponravilsya evrope i amerike.vot reason

Otkuda ti vzyal eto? Yesli eto ne ponravilos US to zachem je oni razreshili otkrit 40 litseyev v US. Ya ob etih 40 shkolah uje 2 goda nazad slishal.

Vozmojno eto ne ponravilos nashim "kotta" no ne Amerikancam eto uj tochno, pover u Amerikancev i svoih zabot dostatochno.

[Pax]

oni missiyounery kak i marekantsy v uzbekistane i .oni hoteli chtoby eski turkiy halklarni birlashitib yangi bir kuchli birlik kurishmokchi edila.no eto ne ponravilsya evrope i amerike.vot reason
Странно как-то получается: везде они есть, и не только в Средней Азии, и среди мусульманских стран, но и Штатах и Европе. Но по политическим мотивам (eski turkiy halklarni birlashitib yangi bir kuchli birlik kurishmokchi edila) закрыли только в Узб. ????

Best regards to Rebecca Thatcher! 8)

[Free]

Buhorogi, eti litseyi v amerike nichego ya toje znayu chto tam est.No kogda turciya stroil svoih litseev v uzb u nih byli drugiye tseli.i Karimovu toje pochemu to hotel eto.Maybe someone have pushed him to close this high schools.Nedavno KGB v rossii toje uznali chto u nekotoriyh turkish high schools in Russia byli tseli pohojiye kak i v uzb.oni byli missionerami i nekto ne mojet eto otretsat .No kak i missionery.u nih byli i drugiye tseli birlashish.turkchilik.

[Pax]

Ага а меня в игнор что ли? Ну как знаешь, тем более поспорить-то с тобой особенно нечем. Детский лепет какой-то. Ну ладно подрасти пока еще...

[I_am_bandidos]

Tak, rebyat ya sam blin uchilsya v odnim iz etih turk litseev. Ya kajis polu jiznyu obyazn etumu turk litseyu, potomuchto oni menya uchili vsemu chto, von kak von te umniki po TV teleigra umniki i umnitsi znali. Nu vot kotorih vi tverdite tipa u nekotorih bili tseli, da u nih nekokih tseley nebilo, prosto odin uchenik (tipa slishkom zaum) nachal chitat vsyakiye veshi tipa kakiyeta vahabistkiye veshi, i voopsheta on chital eto dlya interesa a ne dlya delo. Nu vot bats komissiya nashla ego knigi i pervim bo'lib moy litsey zakrilsya (kokand).

[NOAVATAR]

manam usha turk liceyni bitirganman, vsem chego ya dobilsa na segodnyashniy den, i chego yesho dobyus ya obyazan tomu liceyu, tem uchitelyam kotorim bilo skolko mne sechas, i kotoriye brosili svoi krutiye karyeri i priyehali v glubinku uchit detey, takih kak ya. Ya lichno vechno budu blagodaren etim liceyam.
Thanks God, I had a chance to study in those institutions

[Pax]

Салам алейкум Куконлик! *(Бандит)
А ты случайно не знал Паша Таша(рахматлик), преподаватель по экономике. Он вначале у нас был преподом, потом он его перевели в Узб., Коканд, где он умер от менингита. Блин хороший был мужик... и жаль что все вот так для него сложилось.

[Bandid(not logged in :-))]

Aktash chtoli? Da ya znal ego tolko ya neznal chto on umer, obidno. Nu ya znal, chto on pereshol posledniy god v Angren Turk litsey... , no ya ne znal chto umer ot etogo.

[noodles]

hmm Kokand turk lisesinde Mustafa Topcu diyen Kimyaci ogretmen vardi, taniyormusunuz? Once Baku'de islemisti galiba...

ki murat erguvani taniyor?
he is english teacher
he is azarbajan now

sorry he is in azarbajan

[I_am_bandidos]

Da ya pomnyu Mustafa Topchu, prikolniy bil uchitel. Ya na zemle valyalsya kogda on pitalsya na russkom chtota skazat :-)). Kstati on toje v Angren Turk litsey pereshol na posledniy god.

[kamal]

Салам алейкум Куконлик! *(Бандит)
А ты случайно не знал Паша Таша(рахматлик), преподаватель по экономике. Он вначале у нас был преподом, потом он его перевели в Узб., Коканд, где он умер от менингита. Блин хороший был мужик... и жаль что все вот так для него сложилось.
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[Pax]

2 Kamal:
You said something? :?:
:D

[fox]

Of course, U.T.H.S were the best schools in Uzbekistan but the government had to stop their functioning to protect its and its sovereignty for the future or towards its national interest. US interference is also admittable because Turkish hegemony in Central Asia is not desirable for US.
I'm not protecting their action. I'm a student of U.T.H.S too. I loved my school, my teachers and friends. As you've already said, those students including me are being discriminated at various universities and being treated as spies, enemies of the state, etc. Don't pay attention to those teachers, deans, rectors, etc - because they're too dumb to understand it.
Neither we nor, possibly, teachers of U.T.H.S knew the policy of Turkey. A reasonable person would ask "why Turkey spends thousands of dollars a year to educate uzbek youth?". It's common for every country - it wants to extend its influence beyond its borders. As you can see most of the students of U.T.H.S prefer the political position of Turkey once given a choice. I think you got me - as you study at those schools you tend to take Turkey's political position.
Uzbekistan had to close the schools in order to protect, let's say, political direction/consciousness of the youth. As from the point of view of education - it was bad but as from the political point of view - it was a right decision. I don't know whether there could be better solutions. I think Uzbekistan government enforced U.T.H.S to employ teachers/technicians from uzbekistan to avoid 100% turkish atmosphere there. Eventually it didn't work.

Try to understand it from realistic point of view - in my opinion, national interest can't always coincide with national ideals.

cheers
fox

[noodles]

fox, Bravo! :P

[mujik]

hammaga salom man ham shu litseylardan birida oqiganman va bundan juda hursandman :D

[kukku]

Of course, U.T.H.S were the best schools in Uzbekistan but the government had to stop their functioning to protect its and its sovereignty for the future or towards its national interest. US interference is also admittable because Turkish hegemony in Central Asia is not desirable for US.
I'm not protecting their action. I'm a student of U.T.H.S too. I loved my school, my teachers and friends. As you've already said, those students including me are being discriminated at various universities and being treated as spies, enemies of the state, etc. Don't pay attention to those teachers, deans, rectors, etc - because they're too dumb to understand it.
Neither we nor, possibly, teachers of U.T.H.S knew the policy of Turkey. A reasonable person would ask "why Turkey spends thousands of dollars a year to educate uzbek youth?". It's common for every country - it wants to extend its influence beyond its borders. As you can see most of the students of U.T.H.S prefer the political position of Turkey once given a choice. I think you got me - as you study at those schools you tend to take Turkey's political position.
Uzbekistan had to close the schools in order to protect, let's say, political direction/consciousness of the youth. As from the point of view of education - it was bad but as from the political point of view - it was a right decision. I don't know whether there could be better solutions. I think Uzbekistan government enforced U.T.H.S to employ teachers/technicians from uzbekistan to avoid 100% turkish atmosphere there. Eventually it didn't work.

Try to understand it from realistic point of view - in my opinion, national interest can't always coincide with national ideals.

cheers
fox
Dear Fox!
I don't blame you for thinking in such a way! That is because you don't have enough information about those schools and their purpose. You are right! It is very "fishy" that Turkey spent so much money to educate youth outside their own teritory. First, it is not TURKEY that spent money on our high schools. In fact, Turkish government almost has nothing to do with these high schools. It was a firm called "SILM" that sponsored these institutions. Second, when ideology comes forward, other matters loose meaning.
SILM's purpose was to educate muslim youth abroad, as well as in Turkey, and help to create intelligent Muslims which would in the future change the stereotype about Islam. This is very beneficial for Uzbekistan as it would educate our youth, although our government refused to do enough research in this matter. As you know, in our country whoever prays is a terrorist. In contrast, i would say these people could be our force to fight vahabbistic thoughts. I am a graduate from one of these high schools. When i was studying in Tashkent i had a lot of vahhabist friends and i have made some of them change their views about Islam. Some of them weren't even vahhabist after our arguments.
What can we do you know?! We have a lot of stupid people in our government. They are stereotyped!
If this was a political issue, do you think Russia would let these people open high schools in Russian land? Because, Russia and Turkey are very strict in political issues against each other.

Sincerely!

[NOAVATAR]

kukku: d9a7e9e0, BRAVO! I liked your position and all that you have said. Thank you,
Sincerely,

Buhorogi

[noodles]

what can you say about some arsenal found in Fergana Turkish high-school?

[NOAVATAR]

Max, probably it was linked to Al-Qaeda! or at least to Osama Bin Laden, what do you think? :D :D :D But pleassssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee don't tell anything to G. Bush, otherwise he will decide to help us, to liberate us, to bring us democracy... :D :D :D
Peace, no war!

[noodles]

Buhorogi, that's ur opinion, what could I say... But it was push up to close down other ones as well.

lichno ya ne slishal do etogo pro kakoye libo orujiye, hotya zakonchil odin iz etih litseyev, i ochen interesovalsa vsyakimi novostyami pro nih. Dumayu lyuboy liceist, daje yesli sredi nih yest samiye yariye anti-Turki podtverdyat chto takaya informatsiya-eto pustoy zvon. NO, nikogda ne zabivay, chto u nas, yesli zahotyat to naydut voyenniy arsenal gde ugodno. Dumayu tebe izvestni bayki o tom chto nasha militsiya ochen uspeshno mojet podkidivat lyubogo roda shtuchki neugodnim. V to vremya nado bilo im zakrit litsei, prishol prikaz, nayti voyenniy arsenal v odnom iz nih, vot i nashli. I gde? V doline, konechno, ved ottuda vishli vahabisti. U menya takoye oshusheniye chto seychas USA uchitsa u nas mnogo chemu. CNN stanovitsa vsyo bolshe pohoj na Ahborot, a Senat na Oliy Majlis. Kak govoritsa s kem povedyoshsya ot togo i naberyoshsya

[noodles]

Guest: 50ca74bf, soglasen. no mne sami liceisti skazali chto eti orujie bili tam. anyways, hell knows...

Kukku super reply!!!

thx bor, Buhorogi chtu korot nagzmi? Recep Emre tuba salom gufti

Kukku super reply!!!

thx bor, Buhorogi chtu korot nagzmi? Recep Emre tuba salom gufti

[Free]

Kim Recep Tayyip Erdogan'i taniyooo? o turkche konushsa ben yerlere yatiyom ..

turkish high school boys ruleeeeeeeeeeeeeeszzzzzz , dont they

[noodles]

we do;)

yeah bro, :D

[kukku]

what can you say about some arsenal found in Fergana Turkish high-school?
Dear Max!
It looks like you are an open minded person. I was expecting you to jump right into argument and there would be a whole a lot of unnesecesary posts. First, what Guest id=50ca74bf said could be somewhat true. There is a probability of that. If our government decides to get rid of somebody, they usually "find" narcotics or some arsenal in their houses.
Second, when we process facts we have to look into general terms. For example most people have 2 hands although there could be some incidents where some people could have more or less than 2 hands. But in general, people have 2 hands. Even though somebody in Ferghana's high school was vahabbist it doesn't mean all the students of turkish high schools were vahabbist. On the contrary, i assure you these people had nothing to do with politics. I will let one secret out; in my previous post i said i had a lot of vahabbist friends. This is because i was vahabbist myself. These very people, brought me back from vahabism, and showed me the right way. God knows, if not these people, i could have become a terrorist :2gunfire: and blow this message board up :D And i am greatful for everything that these guys did for me.
Anyways, MAX, my friend, it is not the time that we argue about small things. Our country is falling apart, people are suffering, economy is going bad, basicly we are deep in. It doesn't matter who is vahhabist, who is christian who is gay etc. What matters is we get together, use our intellect and bring our people happiness without intervening into politics. All the power is in becoming together and working together. When Sultan Fatih was going into battle for Konstantinopolis (Istanbul), in Ayasofya church, Popes were arguing if angels were male or female. As a result, Sultan Fatih "SHOWED" them what their sex was. You know what i mean?!?!

Sincerely

[Pax]

Kim Recep Tayyip Erdogan'i taniyooo? o turkche konushsa ben yerlere yatiyom ..

Niye chok mu komik konuşuyo? :) Hich fark etmedim de
Not: Gıcıklık olsun diye so'ylemiyorum... o'ylesine merak ettim işte.

[elektrik]

So what did Sultan Fatih showed popes or what was the gender of angels ?

[diplomatbek]

http://www.religioscope.com/info/articles/007_fetullahci.htm

[NOAVATAR]

Guest: bcee0197, kimsin bro? Recep Bey nerede simdi? Ozledim onu, selamimi soyle ona lutfen, kardesim.

[fox]

Guest: ID: 50ca74bf
V doline, konechno, ved ottuda vishli vahabisti


voobshe to vahhabisti iznachalno vishli iz Saudovskoy Aravii. I seychas krupneyshie sponsori vahhabistov nahodyatsya v Saudovskoy Aravii.

kukku:
SILM's purpose was to educate muslim youth abroad, as well as in Turkey, and help to create intelligent Muslims which would in the future change the stereotype about Islam.


i've studied 2 years at turkish highschool but never seen somebody teaching Islam there. So how come they were ment to change our stereotype abourt Islam then? But if you look at the graduates, including me, they have adopted some aspects of turkish culture. And most of "nuris" were graduates of turkish highschools because they believed turks and entered that Nuri sect/group/whatever. i'm not blaming turkish highschools for that. what i want to say is the primary aim of turkish highschools was to bring their culture and ideology here, not Islamic education.
And you're rejectign the fact that Turkish government had sponsored those schools. SILM might have received many subsidiary funds from government.

your version is good but i haven't experienced it at my school and none of the graduates from other highschools i've talked to indicated that they've been taught Islamic studies.

peace
fox

turkish high school boys are really fanatic inb islam .
but it is for ohters seems like that.

[noodles]

kukku: 90877e74, I don't remeber stressing that all turkish lycee's students are vahhabists, c'mon man, I also graduated from one of those lycees.
About you, well good for you that you realized that. And I agree with all things you wrote about unity and other stuff ;)

[Free]

Pax-Americana, evet :))) adam konustugunda nedense yerimde oturamiyorum gulmeye basliyorum, var ya dehset ...onu bir dinlemeyi tavsiye ediyorum..

[Free]

gecenlerde bi meclis toplantisi yapti Recep diyo ki Turkiye'yi krizden cikartmak icin maasinin yarisi verecekmis devlete :)))) onun maasi zaten ailesini gecindermeye zor yetiyor ...Bi de bunun yapmasinin sebebi bir adam boyle yapmis da ondan etkilenmis ortaya cikib resmen agliyacakti recep ....:))) hr kes guluyo kendisi bile ...

FOr Buhorogi,

Last time i heard about Recep emre when he was in Turkey. when he was in Barazil i had some contacts.last years i haven't herad anything. Insalaallah he is alright.

Man hudan Ozbekistonba emas.Az Buhoro baman Birodariho Mol. ono hozir kate dainjo.

Omad yor meshat, salomat shudet,

[fox]

MAX! Stop your ADS! :)