lets kick out Ruslan and others look likes from OUR board

[rave]

Dear umidies and umid website adm,
I urge you guys to vote for kicking out Ruslan and other "provakators" from OUR message board!!!
Because Umidies this is OUR message board and let not "provakators" to post negative and faulthy political messages. All we know that this website and forum is created to develop openly discuss everything related to umid, umidies, and uzbekistan BUT SOME "provakators" post their messages and I personally don't like them!
Let them open their own boards and post and discuss whatever they want there NOT HERE
I am for kicking out RUSLAN&Co

[bubu]

totally agree, everything has its limits...
posmotrite chto sluchilos s Main Boardom, sploshnaya politicheskaya gryaz', kotoruyu vse drug drugu lyut na golovu. Sravnite naprimer board proshlogo goda i to chto tvoritsya seychas. Ya uje prosto ne hochu zahodit' na nekotoriye boardi, potomu chto znayu chto tam polno messagey Ruslan@ov, Hazratkulov i t.p., kotoriye lichno menya ne volnuyet. Edinstvennimi boardami kuda mojno zahodit' ostalis' Sports, Computer and Funny boards. Pri etom nekotoriye posti na main boarde ostayutsya bez vnimaniya kak raz taki iz-za takih Ruslanov. Mne ochen' jal' chto nash board prevratilsya v desheviy, zauryadniy board tipa eurasia.org, tadjikskiy forum (nothing personal against tadjiks :)).

To Ruslan: che ti bl$% tut hayvay podnimayesh? Uchitsya nado bilo vovremya, a ne baldet'. Uveren, UMID tebya prosto tak bi ne vignal, i tvoi kriki tut o nespravedlivosti tut uje teper' na#$% nikomu ne nujni. Chto poseyesh to i pojhnyosh. Takim kak ti i Hazratkul uje chto-to dokazivat' bespolezno, cheloveka ne izmenish. Svoi lichniye emotsii i ambitsii derji pri sebe.

Karoche, ya za to chto sdelat' ban Ruslan@ i tomu podobnoe.A yesli ban ne poluchitsya, prosto stirat posti. Megaz che ti snim tseremonishsya. On je na tebya poklal, a yesli hot' kapel'ki uvajal bi to ni oglashal bi tvoyego pis'ma (kak ya ponyal po yego postu). On je prosto ispol'zuyet populyarnost' etogo foruma (kotoraya xtati ot etogo je stradayet). Voobshem, ya za ban.

P.S. Toko ne nado potom prizivov k demokratii i tomu podobnoy brehni. Demokratiya yavlyayetsya takovoy togda, kogda ona ne deystvuyet v usherb drugim. A tak eto prosto pizd#$j i provokatsiya.

P.P.S Sorry for used language, but i'm fed up with those posts.

[sherzodr]

Solution
Create a board called Politics. No need to kick anyone's thingies

Reasoning
We have to accept critics, no matter whether we like it or not! We need it!

BuBu, take it easy. If you don't have anything against the Uzbek pol. system, good for you. I wish I didn't either. But there're people who do. Some of'em keep silience, some of'em wanna speak out. So let them speak out!

I think the best way would be to ask either MegaZ or Dave to add couple more boards to keep everyone happy

Conclusion
I AM AGAINST ANYONE'S BEING BANNED FROM THE SITE JUST BECAUSE OF CRITICISM

[bubu]

i wish that was a solution but..
firstly, they won't post anything in that board, since less people will attend that board. their objective is not to criticize, read their posts: total bs, just to grab attention whatsoever. secondly, as far as i remember they told that they won't post anything in separate board, at least ruslan said so. i think again by the first reason.

SherzodR > it is not that i don't have anything against our political system. but THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO IMROVE IT. Vsyakimi mitingami i golodavkami nichego ne dobyoshsya. Get respect from people! Earn your place in society and then make changes! A presledovaniya i goneniya bili i budut VEZDE, VSEGDA, V LYUBOM GOS-VE, NA LYUBOM ETAPE ISTORII. Gosudarstvo radi interesov kuchki prohodimtsev ne budet menyat svoyey politiki. Pochitayte izvestnih filosofov ob ix vzglyadov na gosudarstvo. Hotya bi Makkiavelli. A krikom i jalobami nefiga ne dobyoshsya.

[sherzodr]

BuBu (Jul 13, 2001 18:32):
i wish that was a solution but..
firstly, they won't post anything in that board, since less people will attend that board.

I can ask them politely. I am sure they will. At least, we need to teach ourselves to talk to each other without mentioning our sensitve bory-parts

We all are different, and will never be able to unite for the sole purpose without going for some sort of compomise.

just to grab attention whatsoever. secondly, as far as i remember they told that they won't post anything in separate board, at least ruslan said so.
I am not quite following Ruslan's posts, but remember he wasn 't against a new board. He just felt isolated when all of his posts were moved to the new board. We can let him post wherever he wants, but i am sure he himself needs a more concentrated audience, so he'll go with the new board.

SherzodR > it is not that i don't have anything against our political system. but THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO IMROVE IT.
. How do you know that somethings wrong somewhere in your body? Say, ulcer in your stomach?
-It hurts and lets your brain know that something's up to no good. Then you start taking care of it. That happens only in the healthy body (mdaa) with healthy reflectors (biologists could tell us more abou it).

And we are living in the BODY that has no REFLECTORS to inform our BRAIN about the PROBLEM. Even though couple of still strugglinng REFLECTORS (like Ruslan and others?) try to solve the PROBLEM, they are too few to have any IMPACT on the brain's regular AGENDA

Hotya bi Makkiavelli. A krikom i jalobami nefiga ne dobyoshsya.Well, so you want to choose the Machiavalian(have i spelled wrong) way of governing the state? Was he the one advocating rulling the sate with militia? Dude, we don't need you

[Alex@]

Another idea - let's put a banner that links to Ruslan's site somewhere in this site. Everyone who's interested will click on it and discuss human rights issues at his message board.

He (Ruslan) could put Umid's banner on his page in return. Hopefully people like Hazratqul will start to post his messages there too :)

[sh]

BuBu chuchaqacha . Aqlin oshib qoldimi , sani uzi chuchogimi boshide kalen boru aql urgatasan . Ehtiyot bugin bur kun aminga eshe sikib ketadi. :))

[bubu]

SherzodR >firstly, have you ever read "the prince"? Read it if not and then say something about governing state with militia. It is helpful in many ways in ruling the state although Machiavelli was advocating though way of governing. You see, the main weakness of our thinking (thinking of most people in uzbekistan) is to blame one when he is blamed by everyone. So was Machiavelli, Karl Marx and many others. Take good thoughts from one, add it to another and you will get answer to your problems. Nothing in our worrld is 100% bad thing. It does not exists.

"...I am not quite following Ruslan's posts, but remember he wasn 't against a new board. He just felt isolated when all of his posts were moved to the new board. " Coz noone is interested in his pathetic adventures.

"..Well, so you want to choose the Machiavalian(have i spelled wrong) way of governing the state? Was he the one advocating rulling the sate with militia? Dude, we don't need you" - Don't talk like you hiring me somewhere, i was just expressing my opinions.

[sherzodr]

I am responding to your opinions

NOTE: I hate the debate on this board, coz it leads us nowhere. First we need to teach ourselves to debate :(
Take good thoughts from one, add it to another and you will get answer to your problems.
-Ok, I will (I thought I did, but I can do it again)
Nothing in our worrld is 100% bad thing. It does not exists.
- I agree

As for Machiavelli, "The Prince" was the only piece I've ever read. I found him agressive and doesn't wanna keep his words. He believes you can break your promise if you feel like it. I think we have enough of those

[Dani]

Sher horosho mislish!!!

[referee]

to kick anybody out from the board will prove some of you as totalitarian as the gov. of Uzb. Just for a difference, have a look and compare the messages by Ruslan and messages on Ruslan, this means that banning Ruslan from the board would imply prohibiting other people from the board who share the same views or at least don't mind reading them.....

'Provocators' are those who provoke people to violence and injustice: Ruslan is just posting messages without inciting anybody to take up rifles, whereas some of you already attempted to provoke banning and 'kicking out' some of the members of the Board?!

[KinJalo]

Bubu and the likes, if you do not like Ruslan's posts just do not read them. No one is to be banned for other than foul language. Therefore, I am for banning foul-mouthes Bubu and the likes.

[sherzodr]

referee (Jul 18, 2001 12:45):
to kick anybody out from the board will prove some of you as totalitarian as the gov. of Uzb. Just for a difference, have a look and compare the messages by Ruslan and messages on Ruslan, this means that banning Ruslan from the board would imply prohibiting other people from the board who share the same views or at least don't mind reading them.....

'Provocators' are those who provoke people to violence and injustice: Ruslan is just posting messages without inciting anybody to take up rifles, whereas some of you already attempted to provoke banning and 'kicking out' some of the members of the Board?!
I totally agree