Umidies after Graduation or More Unfairness

[Umidie]

My Umidie friend in the USA told me that some of the Umidies - sons of influential politicians and highly ranked officials instead of coming back to Uzbekistan are working for American firms. I have heard of rumours here in the UK of such cases where Umidies would work in Europe or in companies that are no how related to the Uzbek government

How can we trust such politicians who are sucking the money out from the country to let their children study and then work wherever they want? It doesn't matter if they are studying at Oxford or Harvard - they still must come back and work.

Your opinion?

Umidie

[Berto]

Could you plz give us any examples of it. I guess it is just rumors.Looking for examples.
Regards, Berto.

[Another+Umidie]

Actually these are not rumors. I also heard (and know) that some of the guyz in the US stayed and worked for US corporations.

I do not want to tell their names - I hope they will speak up...
I пгуыы they are reading this message also.. and if they are - would they have any bravery to speak up why they stayed and others went home? What makes you special besides your parents?

Besides - whereas "oddiy halq" must have interned in Uzbekistan, those "daddy's sons" never came back even to intern.

[Berto]

I would say it is still a rumour if there will be no conformation for it. If you allowed yourself put this topic, pleace confirm their names.
Regards, Berto.

[FiredCEO]

Why should you guys care? I m glad they found their job. And usually American companies do not care whether you are a son or daughter of influential politician in Uzbekistan. They deserve it so they accept them. Berto what would change if you would knew them? You sound like it was in Soviet times : Hey, lets find the most advanced people and get rid of them,huh?

P.S. It was the stupid joke: i mean the proposal to those guys to speak up here. Don't they have other things to do?

[Berto]

It will not vhange anything. My point is if you say something, support your ideas. I'am not a son of someone, but I'am working for USA company being an umidie, just wanted to know, Am I on the list or not?
Regards, Berto.

[KROKA]

Wow time out time out.....

If I understand correctly you are talking about Umidies who never came back? Or you talking about anyone who is working in US corp?

If you are talking about Umidies who are presently working in US Corps then let me tell you something. I am working now for a company in US, and ACTR and Umid knows about it. I got the permission not because I had someone in Umid, but because I was able to convince them that this time of work is more beneficial for me in terms of the practical applicability. I am still planning to come back and work as it was stated in the contract.

It would be very beneficial if you explain your point clearly. Otherwise it appears that you are blaming everyone who is working as traitors. It just makes you look like a loser who aint got a job.

[Afandi]

Dear FiredCEO,

The thing which really pisses me off, personally, is that we are not given equal opportunities. I am happy for those guys who managed to stay in the US and got good jobs. However, I am sure other umidies would also be able to get jobs or carry on their studies , provided the "Umid" treated us equally.

Berto,
Does "Umid" know that you are working for an amarican company? How did you get the permission, if you got one?

Afandi

[Called back by Umid!]

Umid does in fact put some students before others. I mean, last year first we got a letter saying that if we find an internship related to our major, and if we can provide ourselves with sufficient fund, they promised us to give permission to stay in the US, and work here. I was working for the US investment company, and wanted to stay here over the summer. My job, my salaries, and everything was related to my major and meet every requirement put by Umid.

However, just a week before I finished the school, I got an email from ACCELS and they said Umid did not give permission to stay here!!! I said why? And they said, nternship is not required for you to get your diploma. Where is the logic, why did some students get their permission but some others did not? For example, KROKA don't get mad, but i beleive that your job is also not required for you to get a diploma!!!

Anyways, I am back and still working for this Investment Company!!! But, can't tolerate this so called "discrimination between students who are Botir aka's znakomie and regular umid students!!!"

That's all what I want to say!!! Take care!!!

[Buharskiy evrey]

Vobshem, rebyata, vi menya izvinite chto ya ne po krutomu, ne po angliyski, no , zachem otmazivat'sa i govorit' chto vse spravedlivo i chestno.
Da, nujno priznat' chto nek-riye papini sinochki ostayutsa i rabotayut za rubejom. Konechno est' i te kto sami etogo dobilis', ya protiv nikh nichego ne imeyu.
Hotya po pravde govorya chto ya mogu imet' protiv i ostal'nikh. Kak govoritsa tol'ko poprobuy takoye ustroyat malo ne pokajetsa.
No eti papini sinochki i v UZbekistane( tem bolee) jili bi i budut jit' luchshe. Vot takoy u nas , k sojaleniyu stroy, poka.
Da u nas sil'no vse korrumpirovano, vezde tanish bilishchilik. Tak chto, brat kto etu temu otkril, ne pitaysa krujkoy vicherpat' vodu iz korablya, kogda na dne ego ogromnaya bresh'. Zri v koren'
To chto ti priexal v US i uvidel otnositel'nuyu spravedlivost' ne oznachayet to chto tebya kto nibud' uslishit ili chto nibud' izmenitsa.Esli b etim vse reshalos'...
Ti ne perviy i ne posledniy.
Tak chto zabud' pro eto i mind yer own business.
Zachem voshmushayeshsa po discussion board. Raz reshil'sa to poezjay domoy napishi otkritoye pis'mo pravitel'stvu) hotya ya uveren i tebe po bashke v luchshem sluchaye dadut i pis'mo tvoye ispol'zuyut kak t. bumagu) a potom dokazivay svoyu tochku zreniya, hot' ti nichego i ne dokajesh'. U teh lyudey , protiv kotorih ti , na svoyu bedu brat reshil vistupit za spinoy moguchaya zashita i eti dela u nih ne vperviyi i vse u nih produmano.
Eh ti, brat, zashitnik prostogo naroda, tebya tol'ko prostoy narod i poymet, no Robin Gudov bol'she net. Posmotri na vse real'nee i seryeznee. Nechego polivat' derevo u kotorogo gniliye korni.
Relax.

[Kroka]

To Called Back Umidie:

FYI - another reason for Umid allowing me to work was the fact that I paid this semester entirely by myself - I still don't regret it because I got such a valuable experience that is million trillion times is better than what I studied at school

[IcyCool]

Russia.
Winter of 1917.
Some group of Bolsheviks enters the house of aristocracy.
Old woman -
My friends, what are you fightning for?
Revolutioners -
We want everyone to be equal!
OW-
Really? My Grandfather--Decabrist, also wanted this... And how are you going to achieve this?
R-
We will eliminate the Rich.
OW-
Oh, but my grandfather wanted to eliminate the Poor.
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Hvatit u drug-druga v jope kopatsya. Hamma qo'lidan keganini qisin.

[hehe]

As long as Umid agrees for that person's staying at USA, there is nothing criminal there. It's Umid's bussines to or not to allow a particular person to be abroad longer. Because, that person benefits from his situation and nobody else suffers, then it's ok for community. I think Umid's behaviour is good in the situation. And there is no unjustice there, since nobody's interest has been broken. Because,for example, if you helped your friend to clean the house and didn't do that to some boy at Mongolia, then nobody, including that Mongolian boy, can blame you that you for that. You have just helped one of the boys in the world and you didn't help to another one, because, you are not able to help everyone in the world.
This is my opinion.
Thanks.:)
Hehe.:):)

[scorpio]

Ne znayu kak drugiye no KROKA yavno zaslujil pravo bit v USA i rabotat eto raz. Vo vtorih ya ne uveren chto u mnogih iz vas hvatit viderjki i uma chto bit kak KROKA. Ya ne uveren chto mnogiye iz vas po 24 kredita brali i uchilis pri etom ne prosto horosho a otlichno. ( KROKA ne obijaysya chto ya tak tebya hvalyu no prosto obidno za derjavu :) ). U kogo tam zadnica gorit ot togo chto KROKA rabotayet ? Ya posporyu chto u tebya ne hvatit sil i uma chto bi nayti rabotu, rabotat, uchitsya, sidet na chayhane sutkami, igrat v HEROES i AGE OF EMPIRES i vsyo eto delat ochen horosho.

Tak chto poproshu kommentariyi pri sebe derjat. Dlya teh kto dumayet chto ya komu to zadnicu prikrivayu to smeyu zaverit chto vi oshibayetes.
Uj komu komu a roommateu vidneye :).

Ladno ne zaviduyte a staraytes luchshe. Ot etogo polzi bolshe, vrachi skazali.

scorpio

[Sanik]

Hey hey guys, stop these. Yes that's true that there are some guys are working here in abroad after graduation. Kroka man, your situation is different, and u r going back to work for our government later, true? So don't worry about that. I think the author who was talking about working umidies, he meant those Umidies working their 5 years at abroad. So this is a big difference.

Umidie (author) even if those "working umidies" wouldn't be in Umid programm, they would find another way to come and work here in abroad.

The thing is if s/he is capable to do so and if company is happy with him/her then no questions about it. I know, you can say that majority of Umidies can easily handle this too. But you can't do anything here. Just be glad that u have been chosen to get here through governmental support.

I am not gonna make this reply too big. So just if you have anything to say, tell it to Umid, or Rustam aka.


P.S. Kroka bro, molodetc, ya ne znal chto ti zaplotil za uchyobu i rabotal.

[MegaZ]

U menya toje bila rabota - Information Technology Services Technical Support Manager - na very VERY good salary :) Menya Umid daje na 1 mesyats ne zahoteli ostavit'...
No ya ne jaluyus', delayu che govoryat... a che yeshe delat' ? Nado bit' chut' chut' pofigistom vsetaki. Yesli daje vidish nespravedlivost' - skaji - nu i h*y s nimi! I vse proydet...
Ya proshu prosheniya za moy language :) Nadeyus' menya poymut.

[Sanjar]

Bor ekanda, yo'q ekan,
Och ekanda, to'q ekan...
Qarg'a qaqimchi ekan,
Chumchuq chaqimchi ekan.
G'oz kayrnaychi ekan,
O'rdak surnaychi ekan
Toshbaqa tarozibon ekan,
Qurbaqa undan qarzdor ekan...

Qadim-qadim zamonda, Falonjoy degan tomonda bir bo'xri(ruschada "gorbati'y") yashagan ekan.

Bo'xri doim sehrgar(volshebnik) uchrab qolishini va undan "Tila tilagingni!" deyishini orzu qilib yurarkan. Kunlardan bir kun u orzusiga yetibdi - unga sehrgar uchrabdi va:

- Tila Tilagingni! - debdi

Shunda bo'xri atrofga qarab, xo'rsinib olib:

- Ey, sehrgar! Yolg'iz tilagim - atrofdagi odamlarni ham men kabi bo'xri (gorbati'y) qilib qo'y! - debdi :)

Qissadan hissa shuki...
Manimcha, hammalaring tushundilaring hissani! :)

Peace!
SJ

[sanik]

Hehe, zo'r chiqibdi, :)

[Ravil]

I support the opinion of Umidies who say that it's everyone's own business. If you really can find job then stay here and work. what they do for this doesn't matter as far as it is not illegal :) . The only thing I think those Umidies should remember that they sons and daughters of our people and it is their financial and moral support has helped them to go abroad, get degree and even find a job. And I really hope those Umidies will find someway to fulfil their duties. And who knows maybe it will be more benefitial for Uzbekistan if those Umidies will stay here and work to get excellent experience in their fields.

Best regards,

Ravil.

[Lexis]

Konechno nekotorie ne umeyut daje chitat, no eto ne problema..
Perviy message govoril o rabote umidovcev posle okonchaniya uchyobi - a vse nachali hvastatsya svoey part-time rabotoy v USA (vmesto togo, chtobi obsujdat realnuyu problemu trudoustroystva posle obuchenuya). A kto kak rabotaet ili uchilsya, budet vidno, kogda on/ona vernyotsya i ego/eyo raspredelyat kuda nibud v oblastnoy hokimiyat - vot togda posmotrim kakoy iz vas Investment Banker, Tech Support Manager i tak dallee viydet...

bolshoy privet ot vsesilnogo Umida...
Lexis

[Umidie]

Da ne dumal chto this topic will create such an interest among you.

First of all let me clarify to Berto and Kroka:

I am talking only about those who finished the University

If you are working while studying - I can only say good for you and I hope such possibilities existed in the UK.

SJ
Ya ne soglasen s tvoyey frazoy:

- Ey, sehrgar! Yolg'iz tilagim - atrofdagi odamlarni ham men kabi bo'xri (gorbati'y) qilib qo'y! - debdi

V tom to i delo chto bo'xri v etom sluchae ne ya, a te lyudi kotorie kak i vse priehali uchitsya podpisav kontrakt, no izza papochek i dyadenek im bylo pozvolenno ostatsya i prodoljat rabotat. Delo ne v tom chto ya im zaviduyu. I can assure you that I can get offers from Barklays, INGs, ABNs, Deutsche's and Merryl's (and even may already have some). And I never intended to work for them since I already gave my word on coming back. The only reason I did this - is because when I would talk about the ones who stayed people won't cunt and say "Oh you could not do it yourself, now you are bitching about it"

U etih bo'xri ne hvataet smelosti viskazat vsem chto oni ostalis i oni sobirayutsya vernutsya. Instead, they are quietly working there and think that they have tricked the fools.


Ravil
you said: If you really can find job then stay here and work. what they do for this doesn't matter as far as it is not illegal

See it is infact illegal. They have signed a contract with the government (and the people of Uzbekistan) and have legal (and hopefully moral) obligation to fulfill. Instead they neither returned the money right away, nor came back to fulfill the contract. Eto mne napominaet ulicy Tashkenta, kogda pyaniy sinok proletaet na krasniy, a terpila ment tormozit moskvich s ne TN nomerami za otsutstvie aptechki.


And mates, please don't say "oni vse ravno by syuda priehali". Esli by oni priehali, pust priejjayut na dengi svoih roditeley a ne prodoljayut kidat prostoy narod. After all it is prostoy narod platit za nashu uchebu.

Umidie

[MegaZ]

Lexis, yesli ti tupoy chto ne ponimayesh smisl visheskazannih soobsheniy, to eto tvoya problema. I nechego govorit' chto mi ne umeem chitat' - ti bi sam snachala vnik v to chto mi govorim, a potom bi nachal obsujdat'.
Everyone in this message board has a right for a personal opinion. And there ain't no need to criticize it.

Vo pervih ya uje rabotayu v Uzbekistane (UzPak). Vo vtorih, ya imel vvidu ne part time job, a full time. V tretih, ya govoril o rabote POSLE okonchaniya uchebi.

Take care,

MegaZ

[Lexis]

Nekotorie v srochnom poryadke nauchilis chitat - uje horosho
MegaZ, viydi na bolshuyu ulicu i nachinay materitsya i obzivat vseh tupimi - moje tebe legche stanet (vidimo slojno u vas tam rabotat)
podberyosh eshyo kakie-nibud krasivie slova, ne nado ih syuda lepit', pozvoni i skaji mne samomu
3712/600906
Lexis
addendum - zvonit posle 18:00

[Mimohodom]

halva skajesh slashe ne stanet.
nu i chto it is unfair? it is unfair that elephants can't fly like birds, or fish can't walk...

[Pakhtakor]

Men ham yaqin orada universitetni bitirib Uzbga qaytaman. Hudo biladi meni qayerga ishga joylashadi. Ushbu muammo qanchayin dolzarb bolmasin uni muhokama qilishdan hech qanday foyda yoq. Hech kim bizning muhokamamizga quloq solmaydi; Agar Umid rahbariyati korsa ham ular hech narsa qila olmaydi. Umid ning umuman tasir kuchi yoq; buni yozgi praktika paytida kordik.
Kimki AQSH da ishlayotgan ekan qandini ursin raz imkoniyat topishibdi. Boshqalarning bu haqda dod voy solganidan foyda yoq, aytishadiku; "It huradi, Karvon otaveradi"

Uzbda ishlaydiganlarga maslahatim: Sizga yaratib beriladigan sharoit doirasida ishlang. Uzingizcha revolutsioner bolmang;sizni hozirgi burokratik-korruptsion systema yanchib tashlaydi. Bekordan bekorga porloq kelajagingizni barbod qilmang. Sizga zor ish joy berishmasa nervingiz chiqib ozingizni adoyi tamom qilmang;nerv sizga hali kop kerak boladi. Hamma narsa asta sekinlik bilan boladi. Bugun bolmasa 5-6 yildan keyin katta amaldor bolarsiz.