Chechenlar kurashi nima bilan tugaydi?

[ilxom]

Umuman, Siz Ularning kurashini qo'llaysizmi, yoki Ular terroristlarmi?
yoki Rossiyaning ularga qarshi kurashini qo'llaysizmi?
va nima uchun?

[Lucky]

Javob:Qaysi nuqtai nazardan qarashingizga bog'liq.
10 yil oldin qip qizil muttaham kallakesar deb tasvirlangan va "bosmachi" deb atalgan ajdodlarimiz mana bugun vatan qahramonlari va himoyachilari degan unvonni olishdilar( bosmachilar to'g'risida hech qanaqa salbiy va ijobiy tassavvurga ega emasman).Tarix ning o'zi ko'rsatadi Do'stim.Ammo bu biz befarq bo'lishimiz kerak degani emas.
Actions are judged by intentions and the way they are carried out.

[KGB_]

guys try to avoid politics, in any form
domestic or international, it is sooo dirty,
so you never know who is right and who is wrong, u can believe me I've been into this
s'#t
as far as chechens they are terrorists without a doubt, and russians are simply in bloody paranoya.

[...FSB]

yashasin chechenlar

[ShumBola]

Hmm...KGB:
Unaqada bizlarning bir paytlar "bosmachilar" deb atalgan vatan himoyachilarimiz, Turkistonni diyorimizni ana u alkash oqquloqlarga bermaslik uchun jonlarini fido qilganlar ham "terrorist" bo'larkanda ah???
Chechenlar nima qivotti, Rusiyadan ozob bo'lmoqchi holos, chechenlarda Karimovga o'hshagan uddaburon presidenti yoq bo'lganligi uchun, hamda aholisi kam bo'lgani uchun Rusiyaning qurshovida qolishgan. Endi esa Ruslardan mustaqil bo'lishni so'rashsa "Ishti, esho cho hochesh? Podumaesh, nezavisomost..." deb (koroche "po" deyishgan)
endi esa qo'llariga qurol olib kurashishyapti holos. Nima borib Ruslarga bostirishyaptimi??? yoq albatta...
To'g'ri siz ko'rgan ana u Pushkinskiy prohoddagi portlashlar va boshqa ko'pdan ko'p voqealar, Chechenlar tomonidan qilingan, qasoslarini olishyapti...Rossiya media'si ham "patriotik" duhda, ular ham davlatni aytganini qilishadi...asosan "chechnyadagi urush" mavzusida...
Biz esa Hudoga shukrona aytishimiz kerak Chechnyaga o'hshab qiyinchiliksiz mustaqqilikni qo'lga kiritganimiz uchun...(to'g'ri ko'radiganimizni ko'rib bo'lganmiz...1865-1917 yilgacha...haa rahmatlik kotta do'dam :(

Tak chto...KGB arhivni bunday ochib qarab ko'rinchi, o'ziz amin bo'lasiz. :)

[ShumBola]

KGB: almost forgot
da, Politika ochen gryaznaya igra, no komu to je ved nado eyu igrat. Ne Chyortuje s Politikoy igratsya??? ;)
ShumBola

[KGB_]

shumbola, avvlambor rahmat reply uchun
lekin narsalarni o'z nomlari bilan atash
kerak bosmachini bosmachi, terroristni terorrist, o'rtadagi halq esa umuman boshqa.
O'sha BOSMACHIlar halq ozodligi uchun emas,
o'zlarini shahiy manfatlari uchun kurashishgan, a vatan, din,ozodlik tushunchalari esa, bilasiz, juda nozik, bular olomonni birlashtiruvchi kuchli qurol.
huddi shu narsa chechnyada sodir bo'layapdi.
men bu bilan ruslarni oqlamoqchi emasman, lekin terrorist va bosmachini(guerilla warrior) halq ozodligi kurashchisi deyish ham noto'gri. bu masala o'ta chigal shuning
uchun to'gri hulosa chiqarish qiyin, asosiysi sovvuqqonlik bilan yondashish kerak shoirona ehtiros bilan emas bu masalga, aytganimdek siyosat juda ham girrom, 'kir' o'yin.
omad unda

[Alex]

I was able to hold myself after the KGB's 1st message in this thread but,

the 2nd one prompted me to this... I can not agree with KGB's "...lekin

narsalarni o'z nomlari bilan atash kerak bosmachini bosmachi,

terroristni terorrist, o'rtadagi halq esa umuman boshqa". According to KGB

people has to eat a humpbe pie and hope for the best and those who can

not are the terrorists. NO THIS IS WRONG!!! If that was the solution it is

hard to imagine the independent states of eastern Europe and Asia.

My personal opinion is that it is just a matter of time of Chechnya's

independence even though i fail to see immediate benefits of

independence...

But i have to agree that politics is a dirty war, and one have to be

careful expressing his/her opinions.

[Alex]

Also regarding KGB's

"O'sha BOSMACHIlar halq ozodligi uchun emas,

o'zlarini shahiy manfatlari uchun kurashishgan, a vatan, din,ozodlik

tushunchalari esa, bilasiz, juda nozik, bular olomonni birlashtiruvchi

kuchli qurol."

Hey KGB your socialistic opinion sucks... Even if those "terrorists" do

fight for they own benefit, those people would make national elite in the

future, and we have to admit that every nation needs that elite, not

destroy them as soviets did with kulaks because then nobody will try hard

to become rich for the fear to be eliminated, and that would bring

stagnation. Also that wealthy elite is going to be nearby and I am sure

would see what people need and invest in the country, and would be more

accountable than someone far in the center.

This is just my opinion...

[hehe]

Rossiya hochet kak luchshe, no poluchayetsya kak vsegda. Navernoye, budet i na etot raz: Ona hochet vigrat' voynu, no poluchitsya kak vsegda.( i.e. ona proigrayet yeyo.). :)
Takiye vot dela......
hehe. :)

[ShumBola]

Bale Bale KGB, Philosofiyadan gap yoq!!!:)
Man sizning bu masaladagi bittayu bitta fikriz bilan qo'shilaman, u ham bo'lsa : "Siyosat oyin juda "kir", hamda juda "chigal" undan to'g'ri bir hulosa chiqarish qiyin". Absolutno, biz oddiy halqga ko'p narsalar oyon emas, uning ustiga kimning gapiga ishonishimizni ham bilmaymiz, Televizorgami? Gazetagami? Odamlar orasidagi gaplargami? Prezidentgami? Yoki do'stimizning gapigami..eee...Kim birinchi aytsa o'shanga ishonish kerakmasda..bunday tarozini ikki pallasini teppa teng ushlash kerak, va masala aytganizdek "sovuqqonlik" bilan yondoshish kerak. Chunki odamning olasi ichida deganlaridek, ularning maqsadlarini biz bila olmaymiz. Politikadan nari turing deb ham aytib bo'lmaydi. Reshayte sami, consider both parties...and Make your choice. Chanqoqqa ishonuvirsa ham bo'lmaydi, bir kun pand berishi mumkin :)

regards!!! ShumBola