PORN and the future of UZB.(Hitlerstyle).own thougts.serious

[Nycratkiller]

Midnight shift sucks, got another 6 hours to go. Just finished watching some porn and documentary film on CHiang Kayshek. Former one was marvellous, some kinda tour de force, very provocative. The later one however studded me with some nationalistic emotions.. I was thinking about our own destiny, Uzbek one, where we stand in history and what our future be like. Well, the future is bleak for sure, but how bleak is my main concern. I thougt of my own Mein Kampf, the panacea for our nation (LOL).
Poor identity promotes cleavages and local conflicts within a nation, while strong one facilitate cooperation and cohension. Nationalism is emerging itself globally and Identity crisis affecting many states of post cold war states. Today's so-called neutrality and cosmopolitanism of our government is absurd. It is ideal but it wont last forever, since geopolitacally(being in ****ed up region) we ought to take sides in terms of our security interests, calculation of balance of power and ideological preferences of masses.
It has been said a lot since 91 that our region should create some kinda political and economical union to promote free trade and common market. Reality bytes. Irtysh VS. Pahtakor.
Uzbeks can seek its identity in 3 spectrum:
1. local uzbek nationalism
2.Regional Turkic
3.Islam

1. with uzbek one, we will just end up fighting Kazaks or tadjiks. Globally it will be just another MBAKAKE vs. kERAMAKAKe type of conflict. It wont serve our advantage, it will merely serve to our historic enemies.

2.Islam. is the strongest ideology among 3, but one should calculate pluses and minuses of such adherence. Islam merges religion and politics. To thrive towards global Islamic Khalifate sounds like narcistic romantism to me. Considering world balance of power, sticking with the idea of khalifate will lead us inenavitably to the fate of Afganistan.

3.I assume that to create strong sense of nationhood and to repel future Slavic, Persian or Sinic(Asian) aggressive interests in CA., Uzbeks should initiate some kinda Central Asian (Turkistani, turani, you name it) sense of nation. That is the only way we can have enouph resources to compete with regional powers.
To achieve it we just need common enemy. Nothing unites more than common fear. Cultural identity is the central factor that shapes common associations and antoganism.
China is the perfect enemy. It is strong and controversial. And we have perfect excuse- Liberation of Eastern Turkestan, our Uigur brothers. We will find support from WEST (worried about preserving western civilization and intimidated by growing chinese power, they can use us as scapegoats) and Islamic world (uigurs should wear banners with "ALLAHU AKBAR"). we can play "human rights" card and "Jihad" cards simultaneously. Such dispersion of back up power will be everlasting. We can drag kazak and kirgiz nationalist into it easily, and turkmes will follow eventually. Brainwash our evergrowing unemployed youth, redirect IMU towards east of Ferghana valley.

Amoral, cunning, ruthless or instructive, whatever you name it, but that is the application of real life situation. It requires prudence, some stealth and total absence of mercy.

thank you for your time,
****/sik words and criticism extremely welcome.

[fox]

hmm...interesting. really. a nice idea about common enemy. i'm just thinking of "dragging kazak and kirgiz" into it...

[Mein KAMPF]

Very interesting, and written in a nice form too. I agree with many aspects.
Good job...

ALL NATIONS ON C.S MUST UNITE INTO ONE EMPIRE TASHKEnT WILL BE CAPITAL OF THA EMPIRE OUR WORST are:

RUSSIA
TURKEY
CHINA
IRAN
USA


THAT COUNTRIES NEVRE WILL BE FRIEND TO US THEY SEE AS SMALL BROTHER
THEY MUST BE KICKED OUT!!!

ALL NATIONS ON C.S

SORRY FOR MISTAKE
I WANTED TO SAY
NATIONS OF CENTRAL ASIA

RUSSIA
TURKEY
CHINA
IRAN
USA

THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES!!!!

Nycratkiller: 7977e7f8,
muhlis is that you anyway?

Nycratkiller: 7977e7f8,
HEIL !!!!

[Jallod]

Just finished watching some porn

I can see that from your message that the film has ****ed up yur mind bro !!!

[Alouddin]

RUSSIA
TURKEY
CHINA
IRAN
USA

THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES!!!!

turkey as well? :? :shock:

turkiya enemy number one

Qo'ynindagi ilonde

turkiya enemy number one

Qo'ynindagi ilonde
kOTUNDAGI KOTAG EMASMI MABODO????? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[fox]

Mda. China as the enemy can be too great for us :) Don't mess with China or it'll stomp you.
The perfect common opponent (not enemy) is Russia. Why? The US and China oppose Russia from West and the East. United CA (UCA?) from the South and Russia will choke. US or China will not dare to easily enter CA while our countries are tight. Otherwise...there will be no uzbek, kazakhs or kyrgiz or even turkmen as an independent nation.

Guest: 72a51f2d,

Anonymous wrote:
turkiya enemy number one

Qo'ynindagi ilonde

kOTUNDAGI KOTAG EMASMI MABODO?????


Dalbayob Sani turklar rosa itarishgan shekili mazasini tatib endi Turklarga rahmat aytvossan shekili ha. Alchak herif

The largest enermies should be the poverty and the corruption of some groups of people in Uzbekistan.

Anonymous wrote:
turkiya enemy number one

Qo'ynindagi ilonde

KOTUNDAGI KOTAG EMASMI MABODO????? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Iflos ozingni koting kolib ogzingacha sikkan shekilli "dushman" deyapsan.
Onayni amidan chala tugilganingga 15-20 yil boldimi yokmi bu yerda Uzbek halkiga kim dost-kim dushman ekanini sanash sani chekinga tushdimi???? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
He orgildim sendaka kotsotar "siyosatchi"lardan!!!!

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Some very strong statements, the name of the topic is not kinna related to the content of the Topic. However, again the content itslef is worth praise :!:

Personally, I would not be as pessimistic as author himself. For the following reasons:

1. We got not only three options but other alternaitves as well. Look at Sweden, Finland, Iceland (name them) and other Northern European countries. They are pretty neutral-liberal interms of politics, and advanced in terms of living standards and finally, free in terms of basic human rights. So we could, as a state, choose something like theirs in terms of intenrnational relations despite the geopolitical mess we are in.

2. You do not necessarily have to have common ideological principles to become economic allies. Japan and Saudi, Turkey and Israel, Russia and Egypt are perfect examples of it. So we, uzbekistan, indeed, could become an economic circuit of CA and other CA neighboring countries (Russia, China, Iran, Saudi, UAE, Turkey and etc). Holding liberal-neutral position externally and no-PanTurkist-PanUzbek-PanRussian-PanWestern position can we only become peaceful internally and externally.

3. Ethnic unity would keep key members of CA like Tajik and Russian residents of CA outside of union, and definietly such a union is not gonna be strong one ( a prediction)

So we hope the leaders of CA and neighboring countries will stress economic relations above all, and Inshallah, everything should be ok ceteris paribus. About the Islamic Ideology, it is hard to say it. Right now, concentrating on Khalifate and other stuff, confused many people. In my opinion these days, freedom for religious practices should be given and not limited to Christianity and Judaism. Muslims are facing big limitations, that will not lead to anything good if ex-Communist leaders continue their presecution. Finally, if people are given the opportunity to learn the basics of Islam (tawhid, salat and manhaj) and practice their deen it should give only positive results. Peresecution and Injustice breed extremism/terrorism and poverty, not Islam.

[Mein kampf]

Lucky, you are very smart guy I respect your points of view, but do you really think that we can be something like those countries you mention in your 1st point. and i really dont get that neutral position stuff, arent we neutral right now?
did it do any good to us? I think that we should finaly decide are we white or red, we cant be green forever, because nobody likes us that way.. I still like Nycratkilleres 3 aspects. I mean, i see only those 3 possible ways, and idealogies..

"Finally, if people are given the opportunity to learn the basics of Islam (tawhid, salat and manhaj) and practice their deen it should give only positive results. Peresecution and Injustice breed extremism/terrorism and poverty, not Islam."

I agree wit' you.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Mein Kampf- Thanks for the reply, u are the smart guy, I like ur posts, find them very provocative, radical not conservative :D .

We aint neutral, and we never were. Remember just until February 16th events of 1999 we were in "Common Defense" and "some" people said it happened for leaving the guardianship of Big Bear or Brother (I read somewhere that talks about the ties between FSB and IMU.)

Prior to that we had Panturkism, Turkish Model Economy, Turkish Schools and etc. After that, we had "Turkistan Umumiy Uyimiz" thing, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan were not in it. Finally, we got into "Shanxayskaya petyorka or vosmyorka or whatever" to fight terrorism and etc.

Just recently, along with US we supported war in Iraq, and some said guys from TVOKU (Tashkentskiy Visshiy Obshevoyskovoy Voyennoe Uchilishe) are "helping" restore Iraq, and they are getting paid $2,000 monthly. Only few were selected for it, plus as I read there was a big fuss about how with bribery people got into that military unit and all that BULLCRAPP.

We were involved and are still in inernal conflicts of Afghanistan (Dostum is getting and was getting support from us, before and after Taleban) And again Uzbekistan allowed or supported armed incursions into Tajikistan and harboured dissidents whom Tajikistan accused of treason and etc (So did uzbeksitan accuse tajikistan for supporting IMU).

Then we, only Muslim country (not Muslim State), did not Condemn Israeli Invasion of Palestinian Territories (along with US of course) and some kinna new resolution of UN against Israyeli agression (media said, Uzbek Ambassador to the UN was absent during the vote, so were Israeli and American). So basically, as someone said, "we are very pragmatic." I do not see neutrality at all. Not at all.

We shud see the results only, if we stop intervention in others' affairs and stop taking sides.


I do not know any Neutral-Liberal Uzbekistan. :P

dear visitors who think that turkey is frein of central asia:

Turkey was supporting IMU until 9/11 so don not forget tihs .
Turkey will do what USA wants from them.

[G]

Quote:
Anonymous wrote:
turkiya enemy number one

Qo'ynindagi ilonde


KOTUNDAGI KOTAG EMASMI MABODO?????
Iflos ozingni koting kolib ogzingacha sikkan shekilli "dushman" deyapsan.
Onayni amidan chala tugilganingga 15-20 yil boldimi yokmi bu yerda Uzbek halkiga kim dost-kim dushman ekanini sanash sani chekinga tushdimi????
He orgildim sendaka kotsotar "siyosatchi"lardan!!!!



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Ha guest ja tillariga erk bervoribdilar. Niksiz gapirish ja osonde. Shuning uchun o'g'zizga kelganini gapiraverasiz.
Tillar sahifasida bir necha kun oldin shu topikni ko'targan edingiz bitta nik tanlang bahslashaveramiz desam na nik tanladingiz na bir javob yozdingiz. Karekeng bilan Nemecning o'zaro suhbatiga qoshilish uchun "Ogarchavshiysya" nikini registratsya qilishga erinmadiz. Bu erda esa hamon nomalum bo'lib qolyapsiz. Avvallari Sizni "Yurtparvar" Hazratqul Hudoyberdi deb oylovdim. Yoq O'zimizi Qo'qonlik yigit ekansiz. Har holda dunyoni ancha ko'rib qoygansiz Shimoliy Amerikada tahsil olgansiz. Balkim hali ham shu yerlardadirsiz.
Aytingchi Ja Turkiyani tomonini olyapsiz biror bir dalillariz bormi ularning do'stligiga? 1992 yilda ochib qoygan Turk Litseylarimi? Ha uniyam o'ziga yarasha siyosiy ahamiyati bordir. Ahir chet elda O'zbekni O'zbek aldab yuribdiyu, boshqa millatdan do'stlik kutish to'g'rimikin. Ahir shu yerda ham bir birimizdan qochib yuribmizku.
Man unaqa bunaqa siyosiy o'yinlarga hali aqlim yetmasa ham lekin mandan oldin post qoldirgan odamning gaplariga qo'shilaman.

Ja turkiya dushman bo'lmasa ham do'st emas bizga. Agar isbotiz bo'lsa keltiring do'stligiga.

Ha aytgancha bundan oldingi postlarizda ja Hudojo'yligizi ko'rsatgan edingiz. Tan beruvdim. Yuqoridagi gaplardan keyin.....

P.S. Keyin manimcha sizni ham bu yerda adashtirishardi shekili ha Lotin Amerikalik bilan
Mandan bitta oldin post qoldirgan guestning gaplarida jon borga o'hshaydi

Aytingchi Ja Turkiyani tomonini olyapsiz biror bir dalillariz bormi ularning do'stligiga? 1992 yilda ochib qoygan Turk Litseylarimi? Ha uniyam o'ziga yarasha siyosiy ahamiyati bordir. Ahir chet elda O'zbekni O'zbek aldab yuribdiyu, boshqa millatdan do'stlik kutish to'g'rimikin. Ahir shu yerda ham bir birimizdan qochib yuribmizku.

turk litseylari dan boshqa jiddiy yer bormidi ozi ozbeklar talim korishi uchun hosh man hammasin berkitishdi bizga foydasi boldimi?
Bu litserylarni turkiya davlatiga aloqasi yoq turkiya davlatini ozi hozir ularni chet elda emas balkim ozida ochishni judayam istayapti ama bu proyektlrni finansyorlari buni hahlamayapti bittasi Fethuallah Gulen

[G]

Nimaga hohlamayapti.

O'zbek "bechoralarga" ra hmi kelyaptimi?

Lekin bitta narsada haqsiz Turk Litseylarini yopilishida hech kim yutmadi. Nailoj Hukumattagilarni ham o'ziga yarasha shu masalaga oylari bosa kerak da.

My tributes to MEIN_KAmpf/Heil
It's been a while since i didnt post what i believe, nor I believe what I post.(you hear me).

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1. Guest ee8300e and Guest fe0c112a
"ALL NATIONS ON C.S MUST UNITE INTO ONE EMPIRE TASHKEnT WILL BE CAPITAL OF THA EMPIRE OUR WORST are:

RUSSIA
TURKEY
CHINA
IRAN
USA "
and

"turkiya enemy number one

Qo'ynindagi ilonde"


LOL ,,,Jesus saves! Too bad he couldn't save you guys from having Oral Diaria.


2. Observer. Common man you can do better than that, i've read some posting of yours. just because your russian girlfriend dumped you, some chinesse bootlegger cheated you, some persian dickhead sold more carpets than you did, got tired of american hygemony, and been poisened by turkish cookies, dont make them enemies. (lol)
Talking about Turkey, economically mediocre country like Turkey, investing 800 million dollars during 1992-1996 worth of praise. Of course blindly embracing turkey is not right, it is kinna marriage of unequals, but totally ignore them is to dishonor our forefathers. Besides, Turks would definitely back up the unification of C.A and very much interested having strong kin ally.

3. Fox. "Mda. China as the enemy can be too great for us Don't mess with China or it'll stomp you.
The perfect common opponent (not enemy) is Russia."

What do you mean by opponent?
How we will benefit from having confrontations with Russia?
what do we want from them?
How it is going to help to reinforce our identity?
Do we have enouph resources, allies, support?
On what basis, what is our excuse?
Dont you think that "RUSLASHGAN" kazaks and kirgizs will take their big brothers side instead of ours SARTs.

Indeed, i am also not fond of russians but dont let your emotions overun your sober state of mind.

Russia, Iran and even dirty ass pakis with their taliban can stomp us as easily as china. In my previos post i meant not direct and open confrontation with china, but indirect one. Such as critisizing china on basis of human rights, their mistreatment of uigurs, tibetians; harshing policies on import and export; imposing strict visas and customs; secretly supporting uigurs liberation front, providing access to jihadists; or even creating some kinna our own Hezbollah. And the last the most important one is to brainwash the masses, plant hatred seeds towards chinesse. In ~50years it should pay off.

3. Guest 75471a52. "The largest enermies should be the poverty and the corruption of some groups of people in Uzbekistan."

What are you some kinna Buddha, poverty and corruption is essential at this stage of statehood. Great nations did not emerge by just fighting social deficiencies.
See, living for 30 bucks a monthe creates duality in human phychology. one of them is that even though people understand the need of reform, knowing how important it is to communa, they also get irritated and upset by changes that will affect them personally. they know that change is necessary, and that novelty provides relief from boredom, but deep inside they afraid, cause a change that upsets core habits and routines is deeply disturbing to them.


4. LUCKY. I am definitely looking forward to meet you over some "osh" ceremony. I lost a lot weight resently and need to gain some kilos intstantly.

the name of the topic is not kinna related to the content of the Topic

ok, i learnt how to quote. the name serves to get more clicks, since the topic is pure boredom. that is the only thing i learnt from e-business class.


Look at Sweden, Finland, Iceland (name them) and other Northern European countries.

Common Rock, you lookin at top of the line. they are like top 10 chicks in beauty contest. There are over 200 countries in the world and I am sure realisticly we can be compared to whole alot some other nations, like for instance MYAnmar. Just like you said we are geopoliticaly in mess. We got like incubator that makes over million Hasans each year(not a fact). who is going to provide them jobs and food in 50 years. With such rates of growth we are doomed to have low living standards. Liberal democracy is irrevelant in C.A. We always needed some Sultan or Padishah to be our sheperd.

You do not necessarily have to have common ideological principles to become economic allies

YOu are right. I believe you misunderstood me, I didnt wrote nothing about economically concentrating solely with countries of the same background.(or maybe my hands just ****ed it up). Economically, i am liberal, as good as it gets. ( it is another topic).


Holding liberal-neutral position externally and no-PanTurkist-PanUzbek-PanRussian-PanWestern position can we only become peaceful internally and externally

Liberal-Neutral position. Dude, HOW?
You cant perform a Hajj and the next day visit West Wall, You cant be part of SHanhay 5 ( or whatever it is called) and expect western investments, You cant sign eternal friendship pact with Ankara and the next day visit cypress with greek prime minister, you cant be friendly with islamabad adn Delhi at the same time.
Even Switzerland have sides. It will just stagnate us, nobody is taking us seriously.


Ethnic unity would keep key members of CA like Tajik and Russian residents of CA outside of union, and definietly such a union is not gonna be strong one ( a prediction)


that is the most vulnerable part of my post. Cause i think the same way as your prediction. I only rely on good propaganda and time. On other hand if we will really have confrontations, Chinese are less likely to give away Xinjang, and be more aggressive towards C.A countries which will put us under eternal fear. Common fear I am pretty sure will be a cornerstone of our confideration. Remember if it is not for English, first 13 states of america wouldnt unite.


Finally, if people are given the opportunity to learn the basics of Islam (tawhid, salat and manhaj) and practice their deen it should give only positive results. Peresecution and Injustice breed extremism/terrorism and poverty, not Islam.


you are against all "PAN" , but you led me to think that you have your own Pan-islamistic views. I am not against Islam,( Ollohim yo Rabbim ozinga shukurlar bolsin) but i am against UZbekistan to be some kinna experimental Islamic country. Let the arabs do themselfs in the craddle of Islam. How come all this Hizbu-tahrirs, vahabists expect us Central asians to unite with some Malays, and Bedouins while arabs (themselves) with all their deen and piousness can not come up with decent statehood.

5. Guest 24c30a9d

dear visitors who think that turkey is frein of central asia:

Turkey was supporting IMU until 9/11 so don not forget tihs .
Turkey will do what USA wants from them


Any Proof that turkey was supporting Imu. For what purpose? Secular Turkey has its own problems with islamist and how it would benefit by supporting ImU.
Maybe you confused Muhhamad Salih and IMU. Muhammad Salih has some identity crisis within himself.
If Turkey did whatever USa said It would open its borders with IRaq as wide as $1 prostitute.
Besides, And WHAT IF WE FORGET.?

5. UNcle Sam

Man unaqa bunaqa siyosiy o'yinlarga hali aqlim yetmasa ham lekin mandan oldin post qoldirgan odamning gaplariga qo'shilaman


JOningiz sog bolsin, lekin aqlingiz yetgan vaqtda birovlarga qo'shilng

Anyway thanks for your time again.

[Nycratkiller]

Previous post was Mine Nycratkiller

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Nycratkiller-

Good job :!:

I am gonna go a lot off topic, accept my apologies.

Here what I say :P : There is a stereotype going on with the name "Islamists". This so called Pan-Islamism that early Pan-Turksits propagated and the one that current movements are (Hizbut Tahrir, Ikhwanul Muslimeen, Jamaat ul Tabligh, Islamic Jihad and etc) propagating has neither Islamic roots nor Islamically originated names (they are innovations in religion/bid'a).

Rather real followers of Islam, follow the Deen they way it was taught. They are called Ahli Sunna wal Jamaa', Ahlil Hadith, and Ahlil Athar. All these names refer to one group, the Orthodox Muslims who follow the Prophet of Islam and the rightly guided companions, upon the clear and pure deen, upon the deen that was perfected (with no defect, neither needs addition nor subtraction) that was preached by prophet (salallahu alayhiwassalam).

So these two groups are confused either unintnetionally or intentionally. Russian Media often does it intentionally. They call who ever clings to basics of Islam "Islamists" along with politically charged deviant groups. And they call Soofis (ascetic "muslim"s) and those who are like Westerners (who do not even pray, who eats pork/drinks alcohol, who watchs porn and listens to Music, basically whoever agrees with the Western Way) "Moderate or Good Muslims."

The reality is that there are not only 2 big groups here; there are 3 big groups here, actually:

1. "Islamists"-politically charged groups with affiliation to a certain activity. They are best known for stressing one activity or cause. For ex: Hizbut Tahrir stresses establishment of Khalfate in a political way, Jamaat tabligh stresses Charities and propagation of Islam for the sake of propagation, they are more like Jehowa Witnesses: Islamic Jihad/Qutubiyya (Bin Laden Belongs to them)/Sururia/Takfiris (basically Khawarij) they call all Muslim governments corrupt and many of the leaders even Kaffirs (disbelievers) because they do not rule according to Islamic law and they call for military action to "restore the order." Then we have Ikhwanul Muslimeen (Muslim brotherhood) Unity of politically charged Islamists for the sake of unity even if there is big differences in Aqeedah/fundamentals of belief.

2. Ahli Sunnat Wal Jamaat-those who follow the deen upon the way of the early three generations of Muslims. They do not revolt against the Islamic Rulers/Presidents/Kings and what not. They are against suicide bombings, hijack, killings of civilians. They are not politically charged like Hizbut Tahrir or Qutubis. They rather stress the foundations of the deen and stick to the principles. (Often they are labelled "Wahabi" because of the 17th century Imam Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab. Those who call them Wahhabi, do not even know Imam Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab nor his teachings. They listen to what media says. And call everyone who is different than them a Wahhabi. They call for example, Namangani Wahhabi, while he was from Ikhwanul Muslimeen, they call Bin Laden Wahhabi while he was Qutubee)

3. "Peaceful-Moderate-Good" Muslims -Soofis and other Good Muslims. Normally-they do not take part in violent actions, and they are not eager to pursue political or any change.(Soofis-who are against any kind of violance some times you see them fighting, Taliban were soofis, Imam Shamil of Chechnya of 19th centruy was Soofi and many other current chechen guarillas are either Qutubi or Soofi)

Here is the hitch: Western Media (including Russian) delibirately confuse First and Second category.

They do it for two reasons: 1) Media wants to criticize "Islamists" for their "Violent Activities" 2.) Media does not like anyhting different than theirs, especially Islamic Civilization, because ideologically it is different than theirs and causes threat to the Western Civilization (Ideologically in the 1st place)

On outward First and Second groups appear the same: fist-long beard, white long thobe and adherence to the Islamic rituals. But difference is not hard to detect. "Islamists" are politically charged, while Ahli Sunnah wal Jamaa are not. Ahi Sunnah pay much more attention to their ownselves than the people around them (that's they are too busy learning their deen and correcting they are mistakes) Another hitch both call themselves Ahli Sunnah-and they can be differentiated by their actions and creeds.


In conclusion: When I said, "Let muslims learn they are deen," I did not call for Khalifate neither did I call for the removal of the leaders for not following Islam. What I said was to let people practice and learn basics of their deen. Whoever knows the fundamentals of his deen, will not blow up a bus killing himself and innocent people, nor will crash an airplane into a building, nor commits suicide, nor kills innocents, nor calls muslim leaders kaffirs.

That's what I meant. The irony is whoever calls for Islam, he sounds like Islamists, 'cause "Islamists" use the same rhetoric. In addition though they call for a political change by force or peacefully (HizbutTahrir for example).

After all many people have an allergy to Islam and Muslims; the moment you open your mouth you have your labels: Wahhabi, Muslim Terrorists, Islamic Fundamentalists, Fanatics, Extremists and etc. Again they do it intentionally and some do it un-intentionally.

In nut-shell, I do not call for the unity of Islamic countries as Khalifate, what I believe in is unity of Muslims in Islam (Aqeedah, Amal and Manjah, that's belief, practice and methodology) Unity of Islamic countries for other reasons is disguised with disguised reasons.

Finally, I would like to see people of Uzbeksitan practicing their religion freely wihtout limitations, living peacefully with non-muslim residents of Uzb and having trade/economic relations with other countries around them.

In other words, I believe in : Let EverybodyPractice and Believe in WHATEVER he Believes, Do Not Force Nor Prevent, and give people opprtunities to live better. We can not become enemies just because we believe in different things.

Dear Nycratkiller- I hope from now on, you won't confuse me for "Pan-Islamists. :D " And cheer up, in the eyes of this much confusion amongst Muslims about different groups (all of which call itself islamic) there is a little hope for the Muslims world to Unite, espcially these days.

Recommended web: http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/

[Kachal Polvon]

UncleSam,
Uzr kattik gaplar gairvorgan bolsam. Ammo siz meni anik kim bilandur adashtirdiz. Ayniksa "Hazratkul"ga ohshaganlarga tenglashtirganiz.....Mayli Hudo shohid.
MEn avval ham aytganman endi ham aytaman: TURKIYA BIZGA BALKI HECH KIM EMASDUR< LEKIN DUSHMAN EMAS. Bu yerda ba'zi bir itvachchalar akkillayapti, ammo hammasini vakt korsatadi.
sizga bir maslahat, kormasdan, bilmasdan, 100 foiz amin bolmasdan avval hech kimni tusmoldan aniklamang, ayniksa bu forumda.

[Kachal Polvon]

Lucky,
Ozing aklli bolaga ohshaysanu, lekin ancha vakt bolibdi yolingni yokotibsan sen bola. Kop postlaringni okib yuribman. Akling oddiy odamlardan kop bolgani bilan oz joyida emas. "No to Panturkizm, Yes to Islam" degan posting bunig yorkin misoli. Sen kayerdan olding bunday safsatani? Kim senga aytti yo turk bolish kerak yoki musulmon bolish kerak deb? Keyin sport bolimiga koygan postingni okib beihtiyor yuzimga tabassum yugurdi, yozgan postingni ozing yahshilab oki, kandaydir bir "arabcha" aksent bilan yozgansan.
Lucky, ong kuloginga ham chap kuloginga ham yahshilab kuyib olgan: ISLOM BU DIN, siyosat kuroli emas!!!

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Kachal Polvon-"rahmat" nasihatlar uchun. Mani postim "No to Turks yes to Islam" emas edi. Panturkismga youq dedim, xolos. Nafaqat Turk Millatchiligi balkim har qanday millatchili Islamga yoddir. Pan-Turkism-Turklarni birlashtiradi, nima tojiklar begonami bizarga?? Boshqalarchi?? Nima Turklarni Shoxi bormi?? Hammamiz tengmiza, boshqa gap youq...

Kachal Polvon-"rahmat" nasihatlar uchun. Mani postim "No to Turks yes to Islam" emas edi. Panturkismga youq dedim, xolos. Nafaqat Turk Millatchiligi balkim har qanday millatchili Islamga yoddir. Pan-Turkism-Turklarni birlashtiradi, nima tojiklar begonami bizarga?? Boshqalarchi?? Nima Turklarni Shoxi bormi?? Hammamiz tengmiza, boshqa gap youq...
Bolarkanu, "arabcha" aksentsiz" yozsang ham. Sen meni boshka gapini kologinga koyib oldingmi? ISLOM BU DIN, siyosat kuroli emas!!!!

Lucky wrote:
Kachal Polvon-"rahmat" nasihatlar uchun. Mani postim "No to Turks yes to Islam" emas edi. Panturkismga youq dedim, xolos. Nafaqat Turk Millatchiligi balkim har qanday millatchili Islamga yoddir. Pan-Turkism-Turklarni birlashtiradi, nima tojiklar begonami bizarga?? Boshqalarchi?? Nima Turklarni Shoxi bormi?? Hammamiz tengmiza, boshqa gap youq...

Bolarkanu, "arabcha" aksentsiz" yozsang ham. Sen meni boshka gapini kologinga koyib oldingmi? ISLOM BU DIN, siyosat kuroli emas!!!!


Afsus Hamma ham shunaqa oylamayaptida

LUCKY
SAN TOJIK BOLSANG BIZNI AYBIMIZ BORMI !!!!

[nycratkiller]

baha you need to call me within two hours, this post is my last hope, i tried your phone, email, chat. Get of the comp.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

LOLS, Man Tojik emasman, Man Ozbekning Qaymog'i LOLS, Joqiman, SurQashlik Ozbek, Tushunmagan Bo'lsang Wodaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, (Sakrab Turib Bir tepdim). Surqashlarni korgansanmi, Toshketning Obshejityelarida tentaklik qilib yurganini?? Oshalardan bittasi edim, manam Turk-Parast edim bir waqtlar, sal aqlim kirganini korvossan, a tak Ozbekka Tojik yaqinroq Turkdan kora :P

LOLS, Man Tojik emasman, Man Ozbekning Qaymog'i LOLS, Joqiman, SurQashlik Ozbek, Tushunmagan Bo'lsang Wodaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, (Sakrab Turib Bir tepdim). Surqashlarni korgansanmi, Toshketning Obshejityelarida tentaklik qilib yurganini?? Oshalardan bittasi edim, manam Turk-Parast edim bir waqtlar, sal aqlim kirganini korvossan, a tak Ozbekka Tojik yaqinroq Turkdan kora :P
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[unseen]

i just dont understand why turkey would be an enemy of ozbeksitan?

The previous Pm of turkey would have done everyhting that the U.S tells them. but the present PM doesnt do everthing that the U.S order.

Even though in turkey - some milliyetchi groups have some sort of a thing against arabs. I didnt see the PM of turkey rushing his army into Iraq to be on the americans side...did u? even though bush had ordered this so many times. turkey went against it.

So why would turkey be your enemy?


Anyone is welcome to reply to my message. im just curious - why some uzbeks think that turkey is their enemy.

[Administrator]

well,unfortunatly turkey was supporting IMU until 9/11.
And she gave place from its own place for uzbek oppositions.
Turkey bacame an enemy to uzbekistan after death of Turgut Ozal.

[unseen]

hmmmm i dont know what all that means lol but i jsut want to comment on somehting.

when people say turkey is our enemy - i get pretty angry at this - because it includes ALL of the turks - when it was jsut the stupid government's fault.

but thank god that the government's changed. i didnt like the previous government either.

take care all :)

[Administrator]

LOLS, Man Tojik emasman, Man Ozbekning Qaymog'i LOLS, Joqiman, SurQashlik Ozbek, Tushunmagan Bo'lsang Wodaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, (Sakrab Turib Bir tepdim). Surqashlarni korgansanmi, Toshketning Obshejityelarida tentaklik qilib yurganini?? Oshalardan bittasi edim, manam Turk-Parast edim bir waqtlar, sal aqlim kirganini korvossan, a tak Ozbekka Tojik yaqinroq Turkdan kora :P
voy plyat....
a LUCkY bor ekansanku wahahahahaha
nima balo ozingni yerga urmasan bunchalik
nima surqshlik dep sani koplar mashara qilganmi!!???
ozin qayerni bitirgansan T.H.S ni mi?

rossiyaga qanaqa qilbi borib qolding?

[Administrator]

hmmmm i dont know what all that means lol but i jsut want to comment on somehting.

when people say turkey is our enemy - i get pretty angry at this - because it includes ALL of the turks - when it was jsut the stupid government's fault.

but thank god that the government's changed. i didnt like the previous government either.

take care all :)
heh where do you live UNSEEN
in Turkey?
simdiki PM'yi miliyitciler sevmiyor degilmi?

[unseen]

by the way - could u explain how turkey became an enemy of ozbekistan?

i dunno what happened with the previous government - but would like to know why this belief or watver it is that some ozbeks are having - regarding "turkey is an enemy of uzbekistan"


anwyays

take care all

[unseen]

naaa i dont live in turkey lol. true - ataturkcu's and milliyetci's dont like the present day gov.

ok so tell me - has the present day PM done anyhting bad against ozbeks?

[Administrator]

Is Turkey enemy Uzbekistan or friend of Uzbekistan?
She is on the middle.
She is our friend when she is not supporting IMU.(IMU = Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan)
but she is our enemy is she will support any teerrorist organization
against uzbekistan.
But turkey did to much irritating things,i hope you new PM
will not do such things.

[unseen]

so your against the islamic movement of ozbekistan? so what's so bad about the islamic movement of ozbekistan?

why would turkey support terrorist organisation against ozbeksitan? lol I think you should classify russians as the terrorists . Aren't they the ones who slaughtered millions of muslims?

And yet - turks are labelled terrorists? hmmm weird

take care

[Administrator]

so your against the islamic movement of ozbekistan? so what's so bad about the islamic movement of ozbekistan?

why would turkey support terrorist organisation against ozbeksitan? lol I think you should classify russians as the terrorists . Aren't they the ones who slaughtered millions of muslims?

And yet - turks are labelled terrorists? hmmm weird

take care
no
it was Jeseph Stalin who massacred many uzbeks,russians
moslems,cristians,jewishs....

But russian did not supported IMU

IMU is our PKK.lol :!: :idea: :oops:

[unseen]

really? so your not into islam ? You actually jsut reminded me about the fact the the uzbekistan gov doesnt like religious muslims - or somehting right? so i dunno wat would be classified as IMU.

Wat kind of muslims would be classified under the IMU banner? how religious does a person need to be to to be regarded as part of IMU?

ok thanks

[Administrator]

btw
your new pm had put put visa for uzbek citizens from 1th june of 2003
before uzbeks could enter to Turkey just by paying 10 dollars in Turkish Airport.
but now first uzbek citizens must take visa just noly from "turkbuyukelciligi" in Tashkent
for 60 doallrs!!.And then they can go turkey.
That all work of you new govrement.
before it was easy to go to turkey,


o cok konustum
simdi gidiyorum
nesyse UNSEEN senle yarin konusacam
sana odev: bir tane siir koyacaksin edebiyet bolumune,,
gule gule kiz UNseen.

[unseen]

i have already put a siir there and by da way - its also hard to go to ozbeksitan as well - and it doesnt mean that they are enemies of ozbeksitan lol

whatever viza stuff that are regarded to enter into turkey im sure its jsut for security reasons. nto because they hate u guys. lol

u need a viza to go to every country i guess - does it mean they're ur enemies jsut because u cant afford to pay an extra $50 to visit the country?

with other countries u have to pay bloody $30,000 or more lol ur funny

i am moslem
but i do not like fanatics who is going to
set up islamic govrement in Uzbekstan like in Iran or like in other some arabic countries.
would you be hapyy if there was an islamic revolution in Turkey?
There is a big danger in Uzbekistan .Any moment this bomb
can explode .Many potential fanatics
already have big influence to many population,
MAny simple yuzbeks follwed their ways so govrement strogly
restricted religion issue,even in turkey girls in headcovers have problems
with education.

btw...i get for only 3000 dollar American Visa,
but to europe i can gor more lower price.
ok gule gule see you tommorow,

[unseen]

what do u mean by fanatics? lol do you mean muslims who pray 5 times a day - fast, read the qur'an.

Or do u call the fanatics - muslims who actively go out and kill innocent people for no reason - jsut because they're in a nightclub and stuff?

[Administrator]

no there many fnatics who are ready kill own mother for their idea
and alos many good moslems who do not think in this way.
maybe you have not seen any fanatics in your life but i had seen aenough
btw....how old are you?

[unseen]

then thats wrong of course. islam is not about killing innocent ppl who dont understand some concepts.

[whats up GUY.]

whats up guyz?

[unseen]

nufing much - and wit you?

ye so some ppl didnt answa my Q. I like Islam very much - without it - i dont know wat i would have been.

I know alot of people who used to think like you guys - but now - islam'a - kuran'a hak veriyorlar.

I dont think any kind of terrorist should be allowed. Muslim doesnt mean being a terrorist. for the muslims who blow themselves up in palestine - do you call them terrorists? i dont. becuase they are trying to protect their country, their beliefs, their dignity - their faith - their everyhting...wouldnt you?

Dont be scared of muslims - but you shoudl worry about russia's government.

Islam - teaches us to fight only against that person who is attacking you - who is killing muslims - innocent children - you cant even attack their country. but of course - nowadays its a whole army attacking a country's civilians.

Sept 11? well - there's no proof that it was muslims who did it.

Well - God did say that the world will end one day - nothing is forever. So i guess the problems have to start somewhere against muslims.

[G]

Muslim doesnt mean being a terrorist.


Try to explain this for somebody from France or UK. Honestly I couldn't.

[unseen]

true - but im talking about it to an ozbek - can u believe it?

[G]

unseen,

I am a muslim thus you don't have to convince me

[unseen]

UNCLE SAM UNCLE SAM - i was discussing all of this with - administrator - ok ? but if u want to join - ur free to do so - im not convincing YOU - got it?

[G]

unseen,

ha I didn't see that
Dont be scared of muslims - but you shoudl worry about russia's government.


Sorry but here I will speak in russian because I don't have a dictionary but I hope somebody will translate it to you.

Tak nenavyazchivo unseen raskrivaet svoi karti

[unseen]

malaka - i hope that gets translated to u as well

[Royal]

unseen

I think You must behave Your self becouse of the wording, You can not start calling people any names, becouse they are not calling You any names, if You do so try to wrapped up. Kind of not girlish talk.....do it with respect if possible. could You.

Thanking You in advance

[unseen]

Royal,

to be treated respectfully - you need to treat others with respect first!!! if someones getting called names - its because they were name calling someone else.

ur being unfair - royal

.heh