Usool as Sunnah

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http://www.troid.org/articles/aqeedah/books/foundationsofthesunnah.htm

http://www.troid.org/articles/aqeedah/books/thefundamentalprinciplesofthesunnah.htm

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http://www.aicp.org/IslamicInformation/IslamicInformationInEnglish.htm

what do u think of this site tavhid merkez person ? :)

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what i see is that even though i did not read all articles in detailed manner. this site is site of jahmiyyah or habashiyyah. plz find a post named: list of deviant sects and groups in this forum and there u can read abt jahmis and habashis

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are u against sufism?

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read my posts in here:
http://www.forum.uz/viewtopic.php?t=10511&highlight=sufism

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Assalam aalikum wa rahamtullah akhee TavhidMarkazi,

Jazakumallah Khairan for the links. Indeed the link belongs to those who misunderstood the principles of Aqeedah about Allah swt. They say "There is nothing like Allah swt" and then they say, "Allah swt Exists without place." How deluded these people are who negate the first statement by their own second statement.

Actually those who accuse Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaa (Ahlul Hadeeth, Ahul-Athar, the followers of Salafus Saleehen) for resembling Allah swt to creation, themselves can not think of Allah swt except resembling Him swt to the creation, we seek refuge in Allah swt from the evils of our own deeds and the evils of the ignorant of the Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa.

Akhee TavhidMarkazi - is not against Ahlis Sunnah wal Jamaah but I consider him one of the very few who try to follow Ahli Sunnah Wa Jamaah. And Sufism is not Islam :!:

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Too sad that these days amongst many Muslims the opinions and statements of Imams of Ahli Sunnah wal Jamaa have more weight than what Allah (swt) & Muhammad (saw) said. However, I am gonna prove that Imams of Ahlis Sunnah wa Jamaah confirmed only what Allah swt taught His rasool (saw) Muhammad (saw) through Quraan and the Wisdom (Sunnah). This post is in reply to the second article in the ink that Logged Off has referred to.

Imam Abu Hanifah [1]

Abu Muti' Al-Balkhi reported:"I asked Imam Abu Hanifah about a person who says, 'I do not know whether my Rubb is, above the heavens or on earth?' Abu Hanifah, may Allah grant him His mercy, said: 'A person who makes such a statement becomes an apostate because Allah, the Exalted says, 'The Merciful has ascended above the 'Arsh, and the 'Arsh of Allah is above His heavens'. I further asked Abu Hanifah, 'What if such a person admits, Allah is above His 'Arsh, but exclaims, I do not know whether His 'Arsh is above the heavens or on earth'. Abu Hanifah responded: 'If he denies that the 'Arsh is above the heavens, he is an apostate." [2]

If the person apostatizes by saying that he did not know where is the 'Arsh of Allah, then by right a person who denies the Loftiness of Allah altogether is definitely worse than an apostate.

Imam Malik [3]

Abdullah bin Nafi' reported: Malik bin Anas said: 'Allah is above the heavens, but His knowledge encompasses everything. Nothing escapes His knowledge.'[4]

Imam Ash-Shafi'ee [5]

Imam ash-Shafi'ee said:"The creed which I hold is the same creed the Muslims before me were holding, namely, the Testimony of Faith: "There is no god worthy of being worshipped except Allah, that Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah, and that Allah is above His 'Arsh, above the heavens. He descends to the lowest heaven whenever He wishes."[6]

Imam ibn Khuzaimah, a Shafi'ite himself, said: "Whoever disacknowledges that Allah is above His 'Arsh, above His seven heavens, and that He is separated from His creatures, is a Kafir, (unbeliever). Such person must be ordered to repent and disavow his belief, or else he must be beheaded and thrown on a garbage dump so that neither Ahlul-Qiblah[7] nor Ahludth-dthimmah [8] be annoyed by the foul odor of his carcass."[9]

Abu Bakr Muhammad at-Tamimi, a Shafi'ite imam of Naisaboor, said:"I do not pray behind a person who denies the attributes of Allah and does not recognize that Allah is above His 'Arsh."[10]

Imam Ahmad [11]

He was asked: "Is Allah above His 'Arsh, above the seventh heaven, separate from His creatures, and is His knowledge and power encompassing everything everywhere? He replied: 'Certainly, He is above His 'Arsh and nothing escapes His knowledge."[12]

All of the above show that the entire Muslim ummah, in the past and present, is in unison regarding the belief in the Loftiness and Supremacy of Allah, the Exalted

[1] Abu Hanifah, one of the four Imam was prominent jurist living from 80 to 150 AH.

[2] Sharhut-Tahawiyyah, p.288

[3] Malik bin Anas, one of the four Imams, was prominent jurist and traditionist (93-179 H).

[4] Abdullah bin Ahmad, as-Sunnah, and others.

[5] Abdullah Muhammad bin Idris ash-Shafi'ee one of the prominent four Imams. Prominent jusrit (150-204 H).

[6] Al-Juyoosh al-Islamiyyah, Ibn al-Qayyim, p.93

[7] The Muslims in general.

[8] Christian or Jewish subjects of a Muslim country.

[9] Ibid.

[10] Ibid.

[11] Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal, the great Imam, was nicknamed the Imam of Ahlus-Sunnah. This name was to become in Islam the watchword for uncompromising belief. Imam Ahmad, may Allah be pleased with him, was a hero and victim of the violent inquisition during the reign of the Caliph al-Ma'moon, who ordered his subjects, under pain of severe punishment, to adopt the belief that the words of Allah of which the Qur'an is composed are created, thus resembling the belief of the Christians. Imam Ahmad, who refuted to endorse this belief was subjected to harassment, imprisonment, and torture.

[12] Al-Juyoosh al-Islamiyyag, Ibn al-Qayyim, p.123.

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Another important point,

S/HeWho says, "If Allah swt is above the Arsh, then He needs a place since it refers to the direction", has compared Allah swt to the creation.

These people simply cannot think of Allah swt without resembling Him to the creation. Since, Rabee' (one of the teachers of Maalik) was asked about the verse, “The Most Merciful rose over His Throne” - ‘how did He rise?’ He replied, ‘al-istiwaa (rising) is known, and the how is not comprehensible, and from Allaah is the message, and upon the Messenger is the preaching, and upon us is believing.’

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Cocerning the Phrase "Allaah Exists Without Place"

Know that the intent behind this phrase is to deny Allaah's Uluww, His being above the Throne, above the seven heavens, which is established by the Book, the Sunnah, Ijmaa of the Sahaabah and the Salaf.

The origin of this lies in the philosophy of the Greek Homosexual philosophers, which asserts that there is a parallel universe in existence to this universe, and this parallel universe is free from physical essences, incidental occurrences, it has no form or shape, and it cannot be pointed to physically, its location cannot be identified or pointed to, nearness and farness cannot be ascribed to it, and no attributes of movement, can be ascribed to it. It is a universe that is just a "mere existence" and nothing more, and it is more perfect than this universe, because it cannot admit to any change, or transformation, or incidental occurrence and the likes.

Also, these philosphers tried to understand this (our) universe by way of substance and accident, form and matter, and they devised ten "categories" that all entities fall into (substance, quantity, quality, relative, where, when, position (i.e. posture), having, doing, being affected), so all entities in existence would fall into any of these ten "categories", or a combination thereof.

This thought, when it was entered into the Muslims by the translation of the works of these Greek homosexuals, entered numerous factions amongst the Muslims into this philosophical nonsense, which itself was based upon athiesm. And it had an effect upon the aqaa'id of the Muslims concerning speech about Allaah, the Most High, His Names and Attributes and Actions.

It was actually from here that the negation of the attributes, spread further than what it had already (at the hands of the innovations of the likes of Ja'd and Jahm decades earlier, who gave rise to the Mu'attilah). The later negators amongst them, when they came across this knowledge, thought that it was amazing and that it would support their madhhab. So they entered into it, and the result of it is what you hear today from these Innovators, Deviants, Heretics, who are the descendants of those ones:



"Allaah is not inside the universe, nor outside of it, nor to the left of it, nor to the right of it, nor above, nor below it...."

"Allaah exists without a place"

"We cannot attribute direction to Allaah"

"Allaah exists without a jism"



And many other slogans and phrases. So they entered many of these statements, which were unknown to the Salaf before them, and then entered confusion upon the people, and in the name of Tanzeeh (purifying Allaah of any deficiencies), they negated the Attributes of the Lord Most High, and to many of them, when this philosophy overtook them and Ahl us-Sunnah refuted them, they became bewildered and were led to disbelief (the extreme Jahmiyyah, Baatiniyyah), because they gave rein to the intellect, over the Book and the Sunnah, and they gave preference to the mental refuse of the Greek homosexual philosophers than the purity of belief of the Salaf us-Saalih who came before them.

Due to the political situation, these beliefs were spread widely in the Muslim lands, as many of those in authority in the Muslim lands became affected by these doctrines, and the Innovators had closeness to those in authority and influenced them. And all of this gave way to Ta'teel (negation) being disguised as Tanzeeh, and Ithbaat (of Allaah's Attributes) being belittled as Tashbeeh.

The Tanzeeh that these Innovators make attachment to, is nothing but the abstraction of that parallel universe of the Greek philosophers, and the Lord that they believe in, is subject to that same abstraction.

So when you see these Innovators amongst the Negators (Mu'attilah), in their various groupings, and those deceived by them today, and you hear them negating for Allaah what He affirmed for himself (in the variety of different ways that they do), then know that when they speak of Allaah the Most High in this way, they are merely talking the talk and walking the walk, and jiving the jive of the Greek Phaggocytes, those who spoke about their parallel perfect universe with nothing but negation and meaningless abstractions.

Do them a favour, and let them know whom they guide themselves by in reality.

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insha'Allaah I will post answers to doubts of such people.

Allaah knows best

wa'alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullah.

TavhidMarkazi.

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Part 2: Ibn al-Qayyim's Five Questions To Demolish The Negators of al-Uluww


In numerous of his works Ibn al-Qayyim alludes to a series of questions are are posed to the Mu'attil, and which would demolish the very foundations of his falsehood. This can be found in the first volume of his as-Sawaa'iq al-Mursalah, and also in his Nooniyyah and elsewhere. Here we shall extract these questions and present them. What appears below is extracted from the Sharh of the Nooniyyah by Harraas, (1/95) and has been slightly adapted.


The First Question


So when you come across one whose opinions are but extensions of the thought of the Greek Phaggocytes, then begin with the following:

Ask him the first question which is:

Does Allaah have an existence outside of the human mind, or is He just a figment of the imagination in the mind only, one who just exists in the mind only?
So if he says "No", then he has judged upon himself with disbelief and atheism, and he has negated a Creator and Originator, and he is a Jaahid, Kaafir.

And if he says "Yes", then he is asked the second question.

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The Second Question

So is this existence of Allaah [outside of the mind], is it an existence separate and distinct from this creation that you see and observe, or is it this very same existence?

So if he says, "Yes it is the very same existence and there do not exist two separate existences", and negates that there are two separate existences, then he has worn the gown of "al-Ittihaad" (Unity in Existence), and once more he has testified to disbelief for himself, and has rejected the existence of the Creator, the Originator, and his disbelief is greater than that of the Christians, the worshippers of the cross, because they only spoke of the Ittihaad between Allaah and Eesaa, and his mother Maryam (alaihimaa as-salaam), but this Ittihaadee has claimed that Allaah is unified with all of his creation and what it contains of animals, of pigs and apes and other such things.

And if he says, "No, there are two separate existences, and that Allaah and the Universe are two separates, and are other than each other", then ask him the third question.

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The Third Question

Do you speak of the creation indwelling within Him, or do you speak of Him indwelling within the creation?
In other words we now move on from Ittihaad (unity with the creation) and ask about Hulool (indwelling). So he is given two options, does he affirm either of them. Namely, that does Allaah indwell within the creation, meaning that he is within it and resides within it. Or does the creation, indwell within him, meaning that Allaah created the creation inside of His dhaat (his essence), and thus it indwells within him.

So if he affirms either one of the two, then he has agreed with the Christians, those who speak of the indwelling of Allah within al-Maseeh Eesaa Ibn Maryam (alaihis salaam), but rather he is worse than them, because they restricted this indwelling to al-Maseeh, but as for this person (this Innovator), then he has made Allaah to be an indweller of all of His creation, and thus by way of this he becomes a beloved one to the Christians and he affirms them (as people of truth). Note, it is for this reason that you see many of these Zanaadiqah, like Hishaam Kabbaani, Nazim al-Qubrusi and others very close to the Christians (and Jews) and partaking with them and intimate with them, and in their writings you see affirmations of unity of religions and that all religions have what they hold to be this universal truth (which really stems from either the doctrine of al-Ittihaad or al-Hulool).

However, if he negates both of these types of Hulool (indwelling) for Allaah, then he is asked the fourth question.

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The Fourth Question

Is Allaah established by Himself, being free of need of anyone besides Him for His Existence, just like within the creation we find essences that are established by themselves and are not in need of or dependent upon other essences within the creation for their existence, or is He like the incidental attributes [that follow on from their essences], which are not established by themselves and are not free of need of the essences to which they belong for their existence?
So if he says that Allaah is like the incidental attributes that are parts of essences, and which therefore are not independently established by themselves for their existence, then he has spoken with what he negated in the previous two questions, meaning that Allaah is part of this creation, since he would be dependent upon it, even if He was separate from it. Since, being dependent upon it, would make him either a juz' (part) of its parts (ajzaa') or an 'arad (incident) from amongst its incidents.

However, if he says that Allaah is established by Himself, totally free of any need of anything besides Him for His existence, and is wholly independent of all that is besides him, then we move on to the fifth question.

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The Fifth Question





Now that he has affirmed that Allaah exists (outside of the mind), separate from the creation, independently established by Himself, not in need of anything besides Him, he has thus affirmed that there are two separate entities (i.e. existences), Allaah and the universe or the Creator and the creation. All that is left now is to ask him the relationship between these two.

When we have two essences, or entities that are established by themselves, then inform me of the relationship between them. Are they

a) Two likenesses (mathalaan) of each other?
b) Two opposites (diddaan)?
c) Two separates (ghayraan)?

This is because it is not possible to speak of the relation between two entities except by these three possibilities, and irrespective of which one you choose, then with each possibility you are bound by necessity, to affirm the separation, distinction (infisaal, tabaayun) between them both, since if these two entities were not separate, distinct and outside of each other, then it would not be possible to affirm two separate things, there would not be two separate things to begin with, such that we can now discuss the relationship between them.

Summary



Thus, it becomes clear that Allaah exists outside of the mind, is other than the creation, does not indwell within it, nor does it indwell within him, is established by Himself, independently, free of any need. And with this, the saying of the Innovators, like those quoted in Part 1 above, are refuted and destroyed, since it is binding to affirm Allaah's existence outside of this Universe, and His being distinct and separate from this creation.

written by www.spubs.com May Allaah reward them. ameen.

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ok so what do u guys think of abdul wahhab?