WHERE IS ALLAH?

[DESIGNER]

Assalamu alaikum
where is Allah?

[Desperado]

Allah (SVT) is everywhere.
If you meant why you can not see him with your material eyes, then I can tell you that there are so many existant things around that eyes can not see. And man's failure to see these invisible things does not prove that they do not exist. (take the example of air)

[lamar]

Wa alaykum assalaam designer. Desperado your statement "Allaah is everywhere" is not true. inshaAllah i will try my best to explain.

Biz Alloh taoloning arshi yuqorisida ekaniga iymon keltirishimiz kerak. Alloh taolo osmon(yuqorisi)da, Arshi A’lo ustida(yuqorisida)dir. Dalil: Alloh taolo aytadi:
ma’nosi: “(U zot) O’z Arshi yuqorisida o’rnashdi”. (Toha surasi 20:5)
Imom Buxoriy aytishlaricha, “O’rnashdi”dan murod ko’tarildi va yuqori bo’ldi demakdir.
Payg’ambar (sallallahu ‘alayhi vasallam) aytadilar:
ma’nosi: “Alloh taolo jamiki narsalarni yaratishdan ilgari bir kitobni yozdi… Bu kitob U bilan Arshi A’lo yuqorisidadir”. Imom Buxoriy rivoyatlari.


Yana rus tilida ham bir maqola bor edi. uzunroq bolsa ham shuni yozmoqchi edim.


Gde Allaah?


Хвала Аллаху. Салат и салам Пророку(sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam), его асхабам и тем кто следует по их пути.

Аллах где? Вот ответы на этот вопрос.
Многие скажут :'' Эстахфируллах что это за вопрос? Разве можно давать место Аллаху?
Аллах далёк от этого.!'' Другие, наоборот, скажут: '' Аллах везде'', '' Аллах в сердце му'мина'', '' Где вспомнишь Аллаха, Он там.'', '' Аллах на Арше, но место Арша неизвестно'', '' Аллах на небе, но не на том,которое мы знаем'' и с другими подобными мнениями можно столкнуться.

Ведь есть ответы самого совершенного из всех творений Пророка Мухаммеда (с.а.в) на вопрос '' где?''. В хадисе от Муслима задан вопрос невольнице '' Где Аллах?''. Этот хадис я приведу чуть ниже.

Также на вопрос '' Абдуллах где был Аллах до создания земли и небе?'' есть ответ от Пророка Мухаммеда (sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam) '' Он был один. Кроме него не было никого.......'' Этот хадис приведён в книге '' эль-Акибету'ль-Васытыйе ве Шехре''

А упрекать за то что спрашивается такой вопрос или говорить что вопрос сам по себе неправильный никто не может, так как от Пророка(sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam) не дошло никакого свидетельства что это неправильно.

Аллах где? '' Аллах - тот, кто создал за шесть дней небеса и землю и то, что между ними, потом вознеся на Арш '' ( сура 32 Седжде 4 )

'' Он - тот, кто создал небеса и землю за шесть дней, потом воссел на Трон '' ( сура 57 Хадид 4)

То, что Аллах вознёся на Арш упоминается семь раз в Коране. Здесь всё ясно написано.
В переводе с арабского '' вознестись'' значит '' высота'' , '' подняться на высоту '' .
Получается что выходят такие смыслы как '' утвердился, вознестись и установиться сверху ''. Это взято из '' эн-Нуниййе'' Ибну Кайума.

Эхли-суннет ве'ль джамаат верит во то что Арш и Кюрси ( престол) существуют.
Величество Арша знает только один Аллах. Кюрси же по отношению к Аршу подобно ровному звену цепочки. Охватил землю и небеса. У Аллаха нет нужды ни в Арше ни Кюрси. Он вознеся на Арш не из-за того что у него была необходимость в Арше. Он не нуждается ни в одном творений. Наоборот Арш и Кюрси это два творения, которые существуют благодаря силе и власти Аллаха.

Аллах вознёся, никто кроме самого Аллаха не знает как, чтобы быть отдельно от своих творений. Как сказал Имам Малик и многие другие: '' Смысл слова '' вознёся '' ясен, неизвестно просто как это произошло''.

Мы не говорим, что присутствие Аллаха на Арше подобно господству одного из творений над другим. Здесь и других именах Аллаха, как говорит сам Аллах:'' Ничто не сравнится с Ним, Он - внемлющий, зрящий.'' (сура 42 Шура 11)

Эхли-суннеи ве'ль джамаат верят сердцем в то что Аллах над Аршем и что что Арш наверху. Это можно доказать аятами из Корана и хадисами:

'' Аллах управляет всеми делами с неба. И все деяния возносятся к нему.............'' ( сура 32 Седжде 5)
'' Неужели вы сомневаетесь в том, что тот, кто на небе, заставит землю поглотить вас, когда она придет в сотрясение? '' ( сура 67 Мульк 16)
'' Неужели вы сомневаетесь в том, что тот, кто на небе, низринет на вас ураган? Скоро вы узнаете цену Моему увещеванию! '' ( сура 67 Мульк 17)
'' Они боятся своего Господа, который над ними......... '' (сура 16 Нахл 50)
'' Фир'аун повелел: "О Хаман! Воздвигни для меня башню. Быть может, я поднимусь до путей - путей к небесам - и вознесусь к богу Мусы. Воистину, я считаю его лжецом". ( сура 40 Му'мин 36/37 )
Есть также и хадисы доказывающие, что Аллах наверху. Пророк Мухаммед (sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam) спрасил у невольницы : '' Где Аллах? '' Она ответила: '' Наверху '' Пророк (с.а.в) : '' Я кто?'' Невольница :'' Ты Посланик Аллаха. '' Пророк (с.а.в) асхабу : '' Освободи её. Она му'мин. '' ( Муслим , Эбу Давуд, Несеи, Малик, Эбу Ханифе, и другие,передали этот хадис. ( То, что Посланик Аллаха( sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam ) назвал невольницу ,сказавшую, что Аллах наверху, му'мин показывает, чтобы человеку стать му'мином он должен знать что Аллах наверху.)
Пророк Мухаммед (sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam) сказал : '' Тем кто милосерден, Аллах тоже будет к ним милосерден. Будьте милосердными в этом мире, что Аллах, находящийся наверху был к вам милосерден.'' ( Эбу Давуд, Тирмизи, Ахмед, Хумейд Наким и Хатиб сахих хадис.)
Посланик Аллаха(sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam) : '' Несмотря на то, что я доверенный Аллаха, находящегося наверху, вы что мне не верите? '' (Бухари , Муслим )
Эбу Зер (р.а) передаёт : '' В один день перед закатом солнца Пророк (с.а.в.) спросил меня : '' Эбу зер ты знаешь откуда солнце заходит?'' Я ответил: '' Аллах и Пророк лучше меня знают.'' Он сказал : '' Солнце идёт под Арш, чтобы сделать перед Аллахом суджуд.'' ( Бухари , Ахмед, Ибну Мендех.)

Доказательства от асхабов Пророка(sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam)

Абдуллах Ибну Месуд (р.а) : '' Между небом земли и следующим за ним небом 500 лет. Между небом по 500 лет. Между седьмым небом и престолом 500 лет. Между престолом и водой 500 лет. Арш над водой. Над Аршем же Аллах.За вашими делами он следит оттуда. '' ( Эбу Саид эд-Дарими, Ибну Хузейме, Бейхаки. Сахих хадис. )

Абдуллах Ибну Омер (р.а) : '' .....Эбу Бакр (р.а) давая хутбе мусулльманам сказал: '' Если ваш бог, которому вы поклоняетесь, Мухаммед (sallallahu ’alayhi va sallam), то он умер. Если же ваш бог Аллах, который наверху, то не умер...'' (Эбу Саид эд-Дарими )

Абдуллах Ибну Селам (р.а): '' Аллах когда начал создавать землю, в воскресение и в понедельник создал семь слоёв земли. Во вторник и в среду создал на ней ресурсы. Потом поднялся наверх и создал в течении двух дней небеса.'' ( Ибну Мендех в ''Тевхиде'' )

Один из четырех масхаб имамов Имам Ханифе сказал : '' Любой кто скажет '' Я не знаю Аллах наверху или на земле'' тот кафир. Аллах над Аршем. И тот кто скажет '' Я не знаю где Арш наверху или на земле'' тот тоже кафир.'' (Эль-Фикху'ль Эбсат)
'' Без сомнения тот кто будет отрицать , что Аллах наверху тот кафир'' ( Зенеби в ''Улув'' ) '' Аллах наверху, не на земле.'' ( Эль-Эсма ва'с-Сыват)

Имам Шафи сказал:'' Как я видел от имама Малика, Суфьяна и других, я тоже признаю, что кроме Аллаха нет другого бога, что Мухаммед(с.а.в) его посланик,что Аллах наверху, что Аллах приближается и отдаляется как хочет от своих рабов.'' ( Зенеби в ''Улув'' )

Имам Малик: '' Аллах наверху. Его же илим везде.'' ( Эбу Давуд, Имам Ахмед, Ибну Адильбер.)

Когда у Имам Ахмед Ибну Ханбеля спросили: '' Несмотря на то, что Илим и сила Аллаха везде Он наверху? '' Он ответил: '' Да Аллах наверху. И ничего от Него не скрыто.'' ( Халлал в '' Эс-Сунен'' )

Не смотря на эти доказательства многие сомневаясь в данном вопросе приводят такие аяты:
'' Где бы вы ни были, Он всюду с вами '' ( сура 57 Хадид 4)
'' Не скорби, ибо Аллах - с нами '' ( сура 9 Тёвбе 40)
'' Будьте терпеливы, ибо Аллах с терпеливыми. '' ( сура 8 Энфал 46)

Эти аяты приводятся , чтобы доказать, что Аллах везде. На самом деле же в этих аятах имеется ввиду Аллаха илим, Его всеобхватываемость и близость. Так как Аллах говорит : '' Мы, воистину, создали человека и ведаем о том, что нашептывает ему его душа, и Мы более близки к нему, чем яремная вена ''. ( сура 50 Каф 16)

Надеюсь что приведённые доказательства ясно показывают что Аллах наверху.

А против тех из ваших жен, которые совершают прелюбодеяние, призовите в свидетели четырех из вас. Если они подтвердят [прелюбодеяние] свидетельством, то заприте [жен] в домах, пока их не упокоит смерть или Аллах не предназначит им иной путь.

'' А если кто-нибудь выступает против Посланника и не следует путем верующих, после того как ему стал ясен прямой путь, то такого Мы направим туда, куда он обратился, и ввергнем в ад. А это скверное пристанище!'' ( сура 4 Ниса 115)

Альхамдулиллахи Рабби'ль-алемин

[royal#]

In us, In You, with us and among us....

[TavhidMarkazi]

Statements of the Salaf on Where is Allaah (Part 1)
Author: Imaam al-Bukhaaree
Source: Khalq Af'aal ul-Ibaad
Article ID : AQD050001 [841]

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From Imaam al-Bukhaaree's, ‘Khalq Af’aal Ebaad’

[All the narrations are authentic according to the research done on this work by the great hadeeth scholar Badr al-Badr (RH), and are from the sahaabah or those who came soon after]:

“6) Wahb bin Jareer said, ‘The Jahmiyyah are heretics, they think that He has not risen over His Throne.’

13) Ibn al-Mubaarak said, ‘we do not say as the Jahmiyyah say that Allaah is on the earth, rather He has risen over His Throne.’

14) And it was said to him, ‘how should we know our Lord?’ He said, ‘above the Heavens, over/upon (‘alaa) His Throne’

29) Sufyaan ath-Thawree was asked about the verse, “and He is with you wheresoever you are”. He said, ‘His Knowledge.’

64) Sadqa said, ‘I heard Sulaymaan at-Taimee saying, ‘if I were asked, “where is Allaah?” I would say, “above (fee) the heaven”. And if it said, “where was the Throne before the Heaven?” I would say, “over the water.” And if it is said, “where was the Throne before the water?” I would say, “I do not know.”’ [This shows that the question ‘where is Allaah’ was considered allowed by the Salaf, and how could it be otherwise when the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wasallam) himself asked the slave girl, “where is Allaah” as is established firmly in the saheeh of Imaam Muslim. So do not be misguided by the Jahmiyyah of today, Saqqaaf and al-Habbashee and their likes who try to declare the above hadeeth of Muslim as weak, and make out that the above question is a bid’ah, having only the classical Jahmiyyah as their precedents.]

And Imaam Bukhaaree said, ‘and that (i.e. his answer) was because of the saying of Allaah, “and they cannot encompass anything of His Knowledge except what He wills.” i.e. except what He explains.’

66) Muhammad bin Yusuf said (one of the teachers of Bukhaaree), ‘the one who says that Allaah is not over (‘alaa) His Throne is a kaafir. And the one who thinks that Allaah did not speak to Moses is a kaafir.’

103) Ibn Mas’ud (RA) said about His saying, “then He rose over His Throne”, - ‘the Throne is over the water, and Allaah is above (fawqa) the Throne, and He knows what you are upon.’

104) Qataada said about His saying, “and He is Allaah in the Heaven and in the Earth” - ‘the One Who is worshipped in the heaven and in the earth.’”

taken from www.spubs.com

[TavhidMarkazi]

Statements of the Salaf on Where is Allaah (Part 2)
Author: Imaam al-Laalikaaee
Source: Sharh Usool il-I`tiqaad
Article ID : AQD050005 [805]

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From ‘Sharh Usul I'tiqaad Ahlus Sunnah’ of al-Laalikaaee (d.414, pp396+ - Tahqeeq Ahmad Hamdaan)

“660) Abdullaah bin Abbaas (RA) said, ‘Verily Allaah was above His Throne before He created anything, then He created the creation and decreed what was to exist until the Day of Judgement.’

662) Bashr bin Umar said, ‘I heard more then one of the Mufassir say about the verse, “The Most Merciful istawaa upon the Throne” - istiwaa means rose above.’

665) Rabee' (one of the teachers of Maalik) was asked about the verse, “The Most Merciful rose over His Throne” - ‘how did He rise?’ He replied, ‘al-istiwaa (rising) is known, and the how is not comprehensible, and from Allaah is the message, and upon the Messenger is the preaching, and upon us is believing.’

670) Maqaatil bin Huyaan said about His saying, “and there is no secret discourse of 3 people except He is the fourth, or of 5 people and He is the sixth” - ‘He is above His Throne, and nothing is hidden from His knowledge.’

673) Imaam Ahmad was asked, ‘Allaah is above the seventh heaven, above His Throne, distinct from his creation, and His Power and Knowledge are in every place?’ And he replied, ‘yes, above the Throne and His Knowledge is in every place.’

675) Imaam Ahmad was asked about the verse, “and He is with you wheresoever you are” , and the verse, “there is no secret discourse of 3 people except that he is the fourth..” - and he said, ‘(meaning) His Knowledge, He is the Knower of the seen and the unseen, His Knowledge encompasses everything, and our Lord is above the Throne without setting limits and giving description , and His Kursi is as the expanse of the heavens and the earth with His Knowledge.’”

Imaam Abdullaah bin Ahmad quotes Abdullaah ibn Mubaarak as saying, “....I bear witness that You are above Your Throne above the seven heavens. And this is not as the enemies of Allaah say, the heretics.” [‘as-Sunnah’ of Imaam Abdullaah ibn Ahmad with tahqeeq of al-Qahtaanee]

He also quoted him as saying, “we know that our Lord is above the seven heavens over the Throne, and we do not say as the Jahmiyyah say that he is here,” pointing with his hand to the earth.
Imaam Maalik said, “Allaah is Above the heaven, and His knowledge is in every place, nothing is hidden from Him.” [Al-Albaanee said in his notes to ‘Mukhtasar’ (no. 130), “reported by Abdullaah in ‘as-Sunnah’ (pg. 5), and likewise Abu Dawood in ‘Masaa’il’ (pg. 263)…and it’s sanad is saheeh” and he includes a refutation of the lies that Kawtharee employs to try and discredit this isnaad.]

Abu Haneefah (RH) said, when asked of his opinion of the one who says, ‘I do not know whether Allaah is above the heavens or on the earth.’ - “He has disbelieved, because Allaah says, “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne.” , and His Throne is above His seven heavens.’ He was then asked , ‘what if he said that Allaah is above His Throne but he does not know whether the Throne is in the heavens or on the earth?’ He said, ‘He has disbelieved, because He has denied that He is above the heavens, And whosoever denied that He is above the heavens has disbelieved.” [‘al-Uluww’ of adh- Dhahabee, also ‘Sharh Aqueedah at-Tahaawiyyah’ of ibn Abee al-Izz al-Hanafee]

In us, In You, .... and among us....

Dear Royal, what r u saying Bro? Astag'firullah. Did u think what r u writing? Don't say it any more. Allah swt is not in u neither in me, nor among us! If u mean in our hearts don't say it in that way! Allah SWT created time and place, laws for His creatures, but HE, The GREATEST and ALMIGHTY does not abide this rules- the rules which His creatures abide. This is out of understanding of human beings.
When one of the four great imams (the founders of the madhabs in Islam) was asked this question, (AFAIK Imam Shafiy was asked in this case) he answered " the question is bid'ah ". So it is better to abstain from such bid'ahs.
Sorry if i offended u.
May Allah swt forgive me if i said something wrong.

And Allah knows the best.

Wassalam.

P.S. Next time when you write something guys, show the source of ur claim, whether it is Qur'an, or Hadith, or the words of Ulamas. Nothing is accepted in Islam without a proof.

Peace

[Akhee-Abdullah]

First of all,
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Secondly, the everywhere that we know of has a beginning, so to speak in the language of Physicists and Cosmologists. Before Big Bang there was no time, space and matter. The whole universe was at a point, namely singularity,with a volume of 0 and density of infinity, meaning non-existence.

Come on guys, even the advanced Physics and Mathematics are saying that the universe that we know of has a beginning (approximately 15 billion years old)

For anything to exist, it needs matter, space and time. If Allah swt is everywhere and indwells with us, then :arrow: it means that Universe is Allah Himself, and :arrow: Universe has no beginning. But that Static Universe theory was shashed by Hubble. Yes, Hubble's "Universe's Expansion" theory (red shift) angered many atheists as well as Buddhists and Sufis who used to think that God was Universe Himself and everything else was His parts (particles).

Thirdly, when Ahli Sunnah Wal Jamaa'h say, "Allah is above the Arsh" they are not giving any "direction" within our 3D mode of thinking, rather they are affirming what is in Quraan and Sunnah without asking "HOW?". If you think logically, Above from one point of view means below, yani, when I point to the blue sky saying Allah swt is above those blue skies, for the person on the other side of the planet that Above means below. So in that sense there is no above and no below, everything is relative (Remember Einstein and his relativity theory :D :?: )

Here what I say, the problem is with the language not with the concept. When we say Allah swt is above the 7 heavens, we mean "He is beyond creation and comprehension, He is above the creation in a sense, He is free from all imperfections that the Universe has. Universe needs time, space and matter to exist, while Allah swt is not in need of any of those. So logical conclusion what we see Matter, Space and Time are not Allah but His creations."

Finally, "Do not Confuse the Image in the Mirror with the person itself, speaking allegorically. If I look into the mirror, The Image in the Mirror is not Me, but it is the Image, it is just a reflection of the light, not the actual me. The actual Me is some distance away from the Mirror. So if u see the signs of Allah swt, His Artwork in the creation do not confuse the creation with the Creator itself. Creation is ignorant, while Creator is not. Creator is Perfect, while creation is not. If creation was perfect :arrow: there would not be a need to for me "to preach" here, there would not be a need to go to college and learn, everyone would have known everything, already and all the time.

Since, "fresh" information is money :arrow: everybody would have been Rich (That's why it is said, if I knew what would happen in the future, I would have gathered the riches of the world Yes, I would borrow some money and buy all the stocks with a price increase in next few days and sell those today that got potential decline of prices.)

Sorry, for using too much "intellect" not the Quraan and Sunnah. Since, intellect is imperfect my argument is born with flaws and imperfections, so there is no need to argue back. All I wanted was just to convey U & US the message or at least make you to understand what Ahlis Sunnah tries to believe in.

Whatever I said wrong is from myself, and please correct me, and what I said right is from Allah swt.

And Allah swt knows the BEST :!: .

[Desperado]

lamar, thank you for trying to correct me, but I would like to enjoy my chance of not accepting your correction.
You seem to confusing the material and spiritual worlds. The sense of DIRECTION (left right above below back front etc) exists only in out material word. But please note that you absolutely CAN NOT apply this to spiritual (latif) world. Saying Allah (SWT) does exist somewhere in geometrical dimension is unacceptably corrupt. This statement does not apply to hadiths (since they have many different meanings)

[lamar]

Assalaamu 'alaykum Desperado. Please provide proof from the Quraan or authentic hadeeth to prove what you are saying. Wallahi 'alam, by what you said right now you are doing nothing but apposing the words of Allaah. I provided authentic proof for what is true. So, if you have any other nonfabricated evidence which opposes this (which inshaAllah i'm sure you don't) please provide so the rest of us can see. And Allaah knows best.

[Alouddin]

assalamu alaykum wr wb

i believe that sister muwahhida has given the answer that i was intending to post after brother mujrim's question: Allah swt is upon arsh and is there, howsoever, He is also everywhere with His knowledge of things, past, present, future and whatsoever is in the earth and heavens...

yet Allah is highest in knowledge

wassalam

Observer

[unseen]

some people - for some reason take the ayets from the qur'an straight literally - when arabic words have so many different interpretations - over 100.

Im not an expert..but i know that its not right to say Allah is everywhere, or Allah is "above" or Allah "rests" upon the arsh. Only humankind are attributable to these features.

The word that describes "Allah is over/upon the arsh"...the words over/upon doesnt necassirly mean that its taken in that same sense - literally.....that word in arabic - has over a 100 meanings.

I believe that Allah has power over the arsh - controls it etc...

if someone wants to write a response to my reply - please stick to either english or turkish.

thankyou :)

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the word in arabic that is used to describe over/upon - has hidden meanings - which means we, well actually myself - should refer to a good scholar to get a clear interpretation. coz i dunno if u guys know - that the ayets and hadis have 2 different ayets etc...one is the literal ayets (clear) and some are hidden (need to refer to a scholar about what it really means).

thanks guys :)

but to answer the poster's question..it's a really hard question to answer...so im gonna keep it blank - as its dangerous to say somehting regarding this topic - its beyond our minds.

[AbdurRahman]

Abu Haneefah (RH) said, when asked of his opinion of the one who says, ‘I do not know whether Allaah is above the heavens or on the earth.’ - “He has disbelieved, because Allaah says, “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne.” , and His Throne is above His seven heavens.’ He was then asked , ‘what if he said that Allaah is above His Throne but he does not know whether the Throne is in the heavens or on the earth?’ He said, ‘He has disbelieved, because He has denied that He is above the heavens, And whosoever denied that He is above the heavens has disbelieved.” [‘al-Uluww’ of adh- Dhahabee, also ‘Sharh Aqueedah at-Tahaawiyyah’ of ibn Abee al-Izz al-Hanafee]

yes but it doesnt mean that Allah rests upon, or sits etc on the arsh.

[DESIGNER]

Assalamu alaikum dear bros and sis
Thank you very much for your clear answer...
And All of you tried your best. I asked this question not to know myself only but also this information will be very useful for each muslim and muslima. Because this is one of the most important in our aqeedah.
(Some people maybe become kafir saying incorrect words).
We should follow Qur'an and Hadith. Then i am sure inshaAllah we find right way...
of course hadith must be sahih...
May Allah bless all of you brothers, and may Allah let us be together in Firdaws...
Assalamu alaikum

[Azamega]

Allah! is Up There! :)
I Hope We All Could See Him!
Peace