Nega quron matnlari ozgargan?

[ATEYIST]

Shunday qilib hech kim javob bermadi
tshuntirib berolmaysizlarmi naga quron harflari ozgarib
ketgan
ahir qiyomat kunigachan saqlanadi dep vada qilinganku?


btw...Observe yana ochirmang bu topikni
siz hohlmasangiz lekin men bu haqida suhbatlashmoqchiman
agar notogri bolsam marhamat isbotlashsin.

[G]

ATEYIST: 729c25bc,

hAR HOLDA BU MAVZUGA ANCHA TAYORGARLIK KO'RIBSIZ SHEKILI. BIZGA HAM BIR OZ VAQT BERING AYTAYLIK 2-3 HAFTA CHUNKI BIZ SCHOLARS LAR MASMIZ. LEKIN ULAR BILAN MASLAHATLASHIB KO'RISHIMIZ KERE.

[Royal]

UncleSam

consiliyumga osh tayormi qachon boriylik ?

Oshni zakuskasini-kimchini Observerdan zakaz qilamiz originalini firmenniy boladi lekin.

[G]

Royal,

consiillium arablar bilan bo'ladi a man osh pishirishni bilmiman.

Uzr rajdestvoga NYga bormoqchiman o'sha yerda pishiraqolamiz.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Ateyist -

Birinchi masala, Qur'on matnlari ozgarmagan. Qanday, nozil etilgan bo'lsa, hanuz qurralar qalbida oshanday holatda. Buhton qilishdan saqlaning, inshallah, boshqalar ham sizning haqqingizga buhton etmaydi.

Ikkinchi masala, ilgarigi postlaringizning birida Qur'oni Karimdagi qarama qarshiliklar deb rosa kop "garbage" ni post etibsiz. Ular assossiz buhtonlardan boshqa hich narsa emas edi, wa waqtni zoe etib jawob etishga arzimas edi ham, wa Allah swt yahshiroq biluvchidir. www.thenoblequran.com da foydali ma'lumotlar toparsiz.

[ateyist]

dear lucky check this:

http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

what do you think about it?

dear lucky check this:

http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

what do you think about it?

Dear ateyist!
So you could tell earlier that where are you getting all these craps! answering-islam.com. Everybody knows that this is anti-islam-missionary site, all twisted and misinterpreted, sometimes compairs eggs with the wheels. If you are so interested about it read these ones. Read carefully and unbaised! You can come up with some understanding.
Btw, why you are asking all these questions? All know that almost no one here can answer such question, because there is no scholars here. You'd better go to that scholrs sites if u r really interested with the answers. If u only want to show the "mistakes" of Islam, remember many people wiser than u, more educated than u could not and can not do it, so why r u tring so hard? Do u want the Truth or u want everybody to dance to ur music? It seems to me u prefer the latter in this case.

Ok, have a nice read!

http://www.aol40.com/quran/quran_textual-reply.html

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/

Especially read this, direct response to ur source.

http://www.mostmerciful.com/reply-ans-islam.htm

Other articles regarding the preservanse of the Holy Qur'an.

http://www.aol40.com/quran/shahid_textual.htm

http://www.aol40.com/quran/preservation.htm

http://www.aol40.com/quran/quranerr.htm


That's enough, i think, for now. If u have any other question, u r welcome. But, please, don't mislead people. Don't bring here the articles of the cristian missioners. Do u know what African black people say about missioner? I think u know that saying- "When they came they had the Book (Bible) and we had a land. And now we have the Book, they have a land". Their purposes r well known. I heve met some of them. They bring too many illustrated books ( they look like our pioneer magazines which we used to read during our early schoolyears, as pioneers), with many good words but intended for babies. But as long as u ask them about trinity or other staff, or u also bring articles/books from Islamic scholars, they all wanish! Guys discussed missioners in other topic. What i am saying these words for- I don't like and believe ( i never did it) and respect missioners--they r liers, they have no shame! They have no fear of God.

Thank u for attention.

And Allah knows Best.

Wassalam (to whom it may concern)

[Ateyist]

Dear ateyist!
So you could tell earlier that where are you getting all these craps! answering-islam.com. Everybody knows that this is anti-islam-missionary site, all twisted and misinterpreted, sometimes compairs eggs with the wheels. If you are so interested about it read these ones. Read carefully and unbaised! You can come up with some understanding.
Btw, why you are asking all these questions?


gap bu malumotlani kimlar berayatgani haqida emas balkim faktlarda,
Aslida men Injil haqida bu kabi savollarni hristian forumlarida ham kotargan edim.
ular ham linklar berish yoki bu musulmon yoki yahudiy provakatorlarini ishi
deyishidan nariga ota olishmadi va topiklarimni ochirib
menga ban lar qoyishdi. chunki Injilni nuqsonlari haqidagi malumotlarni
hozir faqat musulmon va yahudiylarning va atheist web sitalaridan topish mumkin.
yoki bu dinlar birbiri bilan ozaro informativ kurash olib borib atheistlarga
ish ham qoldirishmagan.LOOOL !!
Aslida bu uchta dinni ham muqaddas kitoblarida tola nuqsonlar bor.
LEKIN HECH qanday din vakili mantiqli javob bera olganicha yoq.
hamma Mujreemga ohshab "Ochir uni ovozini yoki boshqalar eshitib qoladi"
deyishdan nariga ota olmadi.
hamma ozicha oz dinini togri dep biladi.
boshqasinikini yanglish,ozgargan deydi ozi ishongan dinini esa
nuqsonlari haqida gapirganingizda tili aylanmay qoladi.
nima bolganda ham men qoniqarli javoblar olaolmadim bu esa
musulmomnlarning islom mantiqqa asoslangan ideal ozgarmagan
din haqqidagi idaolarini puchga chiqaradi.

endi borib yahudiylarning Tavroti nuqsonlari haqida ular bilan
suhbatloshmoqchiman koraylikchi nima deyisharkin,.
maylin hayir

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Those are not facts "Atheiest". Plus, I do not believe you are an atheist. You must be a Christian, and Allah swt knows the best.

[ateyist]

You must be a Christian
if you want i can post yuo contradicrtions in BIBLE? okey?

[G]

"Let there be no compulsion in religion, truth stands out clear from what is error." (al-Qur'an (2):256)

Ateist va angry guest

Birinchi savol Qur'onga yangi suralar qo'shilib ketganligi haqida.

Abu Musa va Ubay ibn Kaabning (payg'ambarimiz sahobalari) Quro'onlarida 114 ning o'rniga 116 ta sura bo'lgan ekan.

Bu ikki so-called suraning nomi
1. Al-Khal
2. Al-Hadf

Lekin aslida bular sura emas balkim qunut duosi bo'lgan va Payg'ambarimiz Muhammad SAV ertalablari yoki witrda Biror bir surani o'qiganlaridan keyin duo sifatida aytgan ekanlar.

Ikkinchi Savol Oyatlar qo'shilganligi haqida.
Yuqoridagi sahobalarning quro'nlarida haqiqattan ham bitta oyat mavjud bo'lgan ekan. Bu oyatning qisqacha mazmuni "Agar odam bolasiga bir vodiy tilloni bersang u yana bir vosiy tilloyi bo'lishini hohlaydi". Lekin aslida bu oyat emas balkim Payg'ambarimizning gaplari bo'lgan.

Shuning uchun hozirda mavjud qur'onga na so called sura va na so called oyatlar kiritilgan.

3. savol nega Quro'nni harflari o'zgarib ketgan. buni keyingi postimda yozishga harakat qilaman.

[Donishmand.]

Атэистик гояни бошлаган Чарлиз Дарвинга ва шу кунгача унга (Аллохни йук деб еэтикод килиб) ергашиб УЛИБ КЕТГАНЛАРГА Аллохни Лаънати булсин ва доимий булиб турсин. Омийн.
Аммо хозирда тирик колган ва гоясида махкам турган Атэистларга Аллох узи тугри йулни курсатсин.

Куръонни хали укимасдан туриб, уни нима эканлигини билай туриб унга нисбатан--- "У нимага ундай килинган, Бу нимага бундай килинган" деб, баьзи бир илми хали куп булмаган, Халол-харомни нима еканлигини хали ёккол тушиниб етмаган, Аммо шунга харакати оз булсада урганаётган мусулмонлар калбида ФИТНА, ШУБХА уйгатадиган саволларни кутариб юришлик бу атэистни иши эМАС! Шуни яхшилаб билиб олгин Ей - Маймунсимонлар оиласига мансуб Одам.
Сени ишинг узингни гоянги тугрилигини исботлашликга харакат килиш. (Барибир топаолмайсан, Аввалгилар хам топмаган - Кейингилар хам топаолишмайди.чунки у топишликга емаас балки бир хаёл килишликга арзимайдиган сафсата халос.

Аллох узи хидоятга тугриласин акс холда бошка хеч ким тугрилаолмайди.

[Pechalniy Angel]

Ateist znayesh seychas peredomnoy stoit neznayka kotoriy dumayet chto on umneyshiy i eto TI !!!!

Znayesh ya hochu tebe skazat chto eto statya kotoruyu ti chetal i dumal chto ti zabludilsya i pravo eto ateizm ti ojipsya...

Znayesh ya etomu kak yevo zovut Samuel Green sovetuyu vot chto ...

Pochemubi on ne vzyal Original 1 Qoran iz Londona i komentiroval iz etoy knigi.

A on vzyal i komentiruyet kak lyudi perepisivaya zdelali oshipki ili yesho cho tam....

A pochemu etot chuvak ne poyehal v Arabiyu i zastavil odnogo uchennogo araba chitat stroki.... wawasaa ... i stroki ....wa'awsaa .... on bi togda ponyal zachem oni razniye onje eto ne zdelal on sidel i pisal chto popalo yemu v golovu...

Tak chto Ateist dumay chto ti umneyshiy...

No kogda popadesh na drugoy svet pomni yesli kto nibut sredi nas popadet v Ray ( day nam Allah) ti budesh umalyat yego chtobi on pomog...
I vot togda on tebya nogoy vishebet i skajet:
"- sen harip ozingni boshindagi molni kormay boshkasini boshidagi pitni kording "- dep

plus etot urod kto pisal etu statyu sam ne pravelno pisal stroki... prochitay yesle hochesh!!!!

[NOAVATAR]

Sorrow Angel, I like your style of writing, very brief and to the point... nice conclusion to the topic.

Wassalam,

[Free]

ateyist, bu sizning kyuib aytayotgan Qurondagi uzgarishlar va hatolar nima uzi? Fakt deyapsiz u faktingizni aytmabsiz.???
Va agar bittasi Quron deb kitop yozsa bu Quron kitobi ekan deb yurishlik ham girt ahmoqlik...

[Malo]

Assalomu alaikum (tegishli insonlarga)
Hullas brodarlarni shu yerda borligi va haq yo`lni korsatishga harakat qilgani ateist uchun katta baht. Lekin u qanday oylaydi Alloh bilguvchiroqdir.
Ikkinchi masala ateistni bunaqa kritikaga qilib yuborish ham unchalik yahshi emas. Bu bola bir bo'lmag'ur artikilni o'qib bir bo'lmag'ur hulosani chiqarib qo'yibdi holos. Uni aybi shu. Lekin Alloh uni hidoyatga boshlashini tilab duo qilinglar, balkim ohiratda sizlarga rahmat aytib qo'lar.

- sen harip ozingni boshindagi molni kormay boshkasini boshidagi pitni kording
buni kimga kim aytishini ham Alloh biladi (yesli cho).

Alloh hohlagan odamni hidoyatga boshlaydi, va Alloh hohlagan odamni yoldan adashtirad. Lekin Alloh inson o'z holatini o'zgartimaguncha uni holatini o'zgartirib ham qo'ymaydi...

Shuning uchun aziz brodarlar haq yo'ldan adashtirmaslikni tilab duo qilaylik. Ateistjon siz ham bir "open heart, open mind" bilan quronni o'qib koring zero Alloh hidoyatga boshlasa.
Allah Hafiz
Assalamu alaikum (to whom it refers)

[royal#]

Malo: 5e05695a
baraka toping ...

[PARAZIT]

ATEYIST: 729c25bc,
tugri, kuronni matnlari ugargarligi, chunki bu arabcha yozilish ham uzgargan, shevaga ham boqlik uni urganganligi, lekin kuronni manosi urganmagan usha usha ukilioshlari usha usha urgarmagan va uzgarmedi ham, kuronni ukilishini 7ta hili bor , buni ham hisobga olish kere. yana bitta masala, kuron yozilishda mas balki, kuronni ukish, va yoddan bilish orkali tarkalgandir, masil uchun bazi odamlar na ukishni na yozishni biladi lekin ular kuronni yoddan bilishadi. bu balkim paygambarimiz ham ushanga yozdirib koldirishmagandir, u kishsi har bir kigan ishlarida mano yotadi. shuning uchun kuron bu yozilish jihati emas manosi kiyomatgacha uzgarmaydi deb vada kilingan .
yana bitta rivoyat, paygambarimizi bitta sekroarlari bugan ekan, usha kuronni yozib yurarkan, nima buptiyu bir kun u bitta suzni urniga boshqasini kuygan ekan mano jihatidan bir hil busa ham, bilib kolibdilar paygambarimiz i indamasdan chikib ketibdilar hamma hayron kolibdi, keyin sahobalar surashibdi, paygambarimiz aytibdilarkim, man silar uni allakochon uldirib yuborgansilar debdilar, yo rasulolloh agar siz ishora kiganizda uldirardik deyishibdi, shunda paygambarimiz bizda unaqa imo ishoralar yuq deyishibdi va haligi sekritarni gunohi kechishgan ekan .
usha paytlarda hamma yoddan bilgan kuronni, shu bilan birga sheva ham bugan yamanlik arablar bilan makkalik arablarning arabchasi boshqacha bugan misol uchun, yozilish jihatidan ham ukilish jihatidan ham.
Assalamu alaykum

Shunday qilib hech kim javob bermadi
tshuntirib berolmaysizlarmi naga quron harflari ozgarib
ketgan
ahir qiyomat kunigachan saqlanadi dep vada qilinganku?
Qaysi harflari o'zgaribdi?


btw...Observe yana ochirmang bu topikni
siz hohlmasangiz lekin men bu haqida suhbatlashmoqchiman
agar notogri bolsam marhamat isbotlashsin.

ATEYIST: 729c25bc,
tugri, kuronni matnlari ugargarligi, chunki bu arabcha yozilish ham uzgargan, shevaga ham boqlik uni urganganligi, lekin kuronni manosi urganmagan usha usha ukilioshlari usha usha urgarmagan va uzgarmedi ham, kuronni ukilishini 7ta hili bor , buni ham hisobga olish kere. yana bitta masala, kuron yozilishda mas balki, kuronni ukish, va yoddan bilish orkali tarkalgandir, masil uchun bazi odamlar na ukishni na yozishni biladi lekin ular kuronni yoddan bilishadi. bu balkim paygambarimiz ham ushanga yozdirib koldirishmagandir, u kishsi har bir kigan ishlarida mano yotadi. shuning uchun kuron bu yozilish jihati emas manosi kiyomatgacha uzgarmaydi deb vada kilingan .
yana bitta rivoyat, paygambarimizi bitta sekroarlari bugan ekan, usha kuronni yozib yurarkan, nima buptiyu bir kun u bitta suzni urniga boshqasini kuygan ekan mano jihatidan bir hil busa ham, bilib kolibdilar paygambarimiz i indamasdan chikib ketibdilar hamma hayron kolibdi, keyin sahobalar surashibdi, paygambarimiz aytibdilarkim, man silar uni allakochon uldirib yuborgansilar debdilar, yo rasulolloh agar siz ishora kiganizda uldirardik deyishibdi, shunda paygambarimiz bizda unaqa imo ishoralar yuq deyishibdi va haligi sekritarni gunohi kechishgan ekan .
usha paytlarda hamma yoddan bilgan kuronni, shu bilan birga sheva ham bugan yamanlik arablar bilan makkalik arablarning arabchasi boshqacha bugan misol uchun, yozilish jihatidan ham ukilish jihatidan ham.
Assalamu alaykum

Agar bilmasangizlar jim o'tiringlar! Hudodan qorqmaysizlarmi to'g'ri kelgan gapni gapirishga??? Nima to'g'ri kelsa, qaerda nima o'qigan bo'lsa yozavermasligi kerak odam, ayniqsa ilmiy masalada. "Man eshitgandim", "Menga shunaqa deyishuvdi".... bulani hammasi bir pulga qimmat. Agar ilmiy asoslariz bo'lsa gapiringlar, manbaini korsatib. Bo'lmasa ertaklaringizni yig'shtiringlar!
Hudodan qo'rqinglar!
Wassalam

[OFI]

Shunday qilib hech kim javob bermadi
tshuntirib berolmaysizlarmi naga quron harflari ozgarib
ketgan
ahir qiyomat kunigachan saqlanadi dep vada qilinganku?



Janob Ateyist bizaku (musulmonlar) Allohga ishonib unga toat ibodat qilamiz ohirida nimagadur umidvor bo'lib a lekin siz nimaga va kimdan umidvorsiz?
Quron shuncha yildan beri o'zgarmay kelvoti (alhamdulliloh) siz uni o'zgargan devosiz a lekin sizni o'zingizni kitobingiz nima :?: :?:

"Ishtoni yo'q ishtoni ertiqni ustidan kulibdi" degandey bo'p chiqvotiku.
"Oldin o'zinga boq keyin nog'ara qoq!"

[Pechalniy Angel]

Hey Malo ...
Ozizni bilogon bildingizku deyman a!!!!

Bu odam fakat Quron emas , plus Tavrod va Injilga ham gapi bor.

Bu odamga kande odam deysan. Nega sizcha u borip budistlarni dinini karashtirmay kelip Fakat bir bolgan Ollohning kitoplarini karashtirip yuripti deysiz???

Nega boshlangandan beri 100 - 500 ozgargan Incilni karashtirmayapti???

A?*?? :twisted:

[Alouddin]

Surah Yunus
15 And when Our Clear Verses are recited unto them, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say: Bring us a Qur'an other than this, or change it."Say (O Muhammad ): "It is not for me to change it on my own accord; I only follow that which is revealed unto me. Verily, I fear if I were to disobey my Lord, the torment of the Great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
16 Say (O Muhammad ): "If Allah had so willed, I should not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. Verily, I have stayed amongst you a life time before this. Have you then no sense?"
17 So who does more wrong than he who forges a lie against Allah or denies His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)? Surely, the Mujrimun (criminals, sinners, disbelievers and polytheists) will never be successful!

[Malo]

Sorro_angel achig'ingiz chiqishiga hech qanday o'rin yo'q...
Men shunchaki bor narsa aytdim holos.
tog'risi men sizning karashtirmo degan so'zizga tushunmadim. Mabodo siz tanqid qilmoq, kavlashtirmoq ma'noni nazarda tutgan bo`lsa. Qoyib bering, u Quronni kavlashtirayotgan bo'lsa bunda nima muammo? Alhadullilah biz aminmizki Quron Allohning kitobi. Kavlashtiraversin zor-a hato topa olmasdan charchaganda, Allohga hamd aytib haq yo'lni tanlab qo'lar.
Ikkinchidan boshqa dinlarni kavlashtirmaydi deyapsiz. Kavlashtirmasligini siz qayerdan bilasiz balkim kavlashtirayotgandir ham. Lekin boshqa dinlarni kavlashtirishini bizga nima ahamiyati ham bor.

and thanks brother Observer for exact answer and excellent post
assalamu alaikum (to whom it refers)