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O'sha guest
11-06-2003, 12:58 PM
< < Back to Start of Article They came from Russia, Poland and Lithuania, and their tales of washing and waxing Wal-Mart's floors for seven nights a week sound much like Pavel's.
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Last February, Pavel responded to an intriguing Web site that boasted of cleaning jobs in the United States paying four times what he was earning as a restaurant manager in the Czech Republic.
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He flew from Prague to New York on a tourist visa and took a bus to Lynchburg, Virginia, where a subcontractor delivered him to a giant Wal-Mart.
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Pavel immediately began on the midnight shift, and said he soon learned that he would never receive a night off. He said he worked every night for the next eight months. In this way, Pavel, who refused to give his last name, became one pawn among hundreds employed by subcontractors that cleaned Wal-Mart stores across the nation, paying many workers off the books.
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Pavel's unhappy stay in the United States ended with a shock when federal agents raided 60 Wal-Marts on Oct. 23 and arrested him and 250 other janitors as being illegal immigrants. On Tuesday, the company acknowledged that it had received a letter from federal prosecutors accusing it of violating immigration laws and saying that Wal-Mart faced a grand jury investigation.
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Last month's 21-state raid exposed an unseemly secret about Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer: Hundreds of illegal immigrants worked at its stores, and its subcontractors appear to have violated overtime, Social Security and workers' compensation laws.
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Company officials deny having known that illegal immigrants worked in their stores, saying they required their cleaning contractors to use only legal workers.
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But two federal law enforcement officials said in interviews that Wal-Mart executives must have known about the immigration violations because federal agents rounded up 102 illegal immigrant janitors at Wal-Marts in 1998 and 2001. During the October raid, federal officials searched the office of an executive at Wal-Mart's headquarters, carting away boxes of papers, and said prosecutors had wiretaps and recordings of conversations between Wal-Mart officials and subcontractors.
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The use of illegal workers appeared to benefit nearly everybody. It benefited Wal-Mart, its shareholders and managers by minimizing the company's costs, and it benefited consumers by helping to hold down Wal-Mart's prices. Wal-Mart's cleaning contractors profited, and thousands of foreign workers were able to earn more than they could back home.
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But the system also had its costs - janitors said they were forced to work seven days a week, were not paid overtime and often endured harsh conditions. Foreigners got jobs that Americans might have wanted. And U.S. taxpayers sometimes ended up paying for the illegal workers' emergency health care or their children's education in U.S. schools.
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"We Czechs are willing to sacrifice and work hard, but we definitely weren't earning enough money," said Pavel, 33, in a telephone interview from the Czech Embassy before he was deported last Friday. He said he received $380 in cash for his 56-hour workweeks.
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That came to $6.79 an hour, and he did not receive time-and-a-half for overtime.
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In interviews, federal law enforcement officials, cleaning contractors, industry experts and seven illegal immigrants including Pavel who cleaned Wal-Marts said subcontracting allowed Wal-Mart to benefit while enabling it to deny responsibility.
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Wal-Mart officials said it made sense to contract out the cleaning work because that enabled store managers to concentrate on what they do best, operating stores that provide low-cost merchandise. Wal-Mart uses about 100 contractors to clean nearly 1,000 of its stores.
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Several industry executives said the questionable companies made it hard for legitimate operators to bid low enough to win contracts at Wal-Mart.
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"When you don't pay taxes, don't pay Social Security and don't pay workers' comp, you have a 40 percent cost advantage," said Lilia Garcia, executive director of the Maintenance Cooperation Trust Fund, a group set up by California cleaning contractors to police fly-by-night competitors. "It makes it hard for companies that follow the rules."
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After the arrests, Wal-Mart, which had $245 billion in revenues last year, said it was beginning a review to ensure that no illegal immigrants worked in its 3,470 U.S. stores.
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"We take every action that we can to make sure our workers are legal workers, and in this case, be assured we will take whatever corrective actions are necessary," said Tom Williams, a spokesman for Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Arkansas.
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He said of the target letter, "The notification gives us time to provide the attorney general's office information that supports our position."
.
Many people, from janitors to federal investigators, assert that Wal-Mart store managers and officials at headquarters knew about widespread use of undocumented cleaners. "The chief manager of our store knew what was going on," Pavel said. "He knew that we were illegal."
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U.S. law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said Wal-Mart executives must have known about the use of illegal immigrants partly because 13 Wal-Mart cleaning subcontractors pleaded guilty to illegal hiring practices several years ago.
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Wal-Mart is not the only retailer to use questionable cleaning contractors. Hundreds of Mexican immigrants have sued three California supermarket chains, accusing them of hiring contractors that never gave a night off, did not pay overtime and often paid less than the minimum wage. Daniel Kuchar, 25, a Czech engineering student, said he worked every night except Christmas in his 12 months cleaning for two Wal-Mart competitors, Kmart and Target, in Northern Virginia. The companies have policies prohibiting contractors from hiring illegal immigrants. Last March, he won a $7,278 judgment in state court against his contractor, Promaster Cleaning Service, for failing to pay him time-and-a-half for overtime.
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One subcontractor, Stanislaw Kostek, whose company, CMS Cleaning, cleaned more than a dozen Wal-Marts in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia, acknowledged that he had hired illegal immigrants. "It's a degrading job, very few people want to do it even though the salary is at least $2 above the minimum wage" of $5.15 an hour, said Kostek, a native of Poland. "But there are workers who want to do the job."
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The workers, he said, come from not just Eastern Europe but also Mexico, Mongolia, Uzbekistan and other countries. Some take the jobs hoping they will be the first step in their climb to the American dream, while others view it as a way to earn cash before going home.
.
Victor Zavala Jr., who cleaned Wal-Marts in New Jersey seven nights a week, explained the lure of the job. "When I talk on the phone to friends in Mexico, they ask me how the pay is, and I say, 'We're getting $350 a week,'" said Zavala, a native of Mexico City who was rounded up in the Oct. 23 raid. "They say, 'Wow, in Mexico we're earning 300 pesos a week.' That's just $30 a week."
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The New York Times They came from Russia, Poland and Lithuania, and their tales of washing and waxing Wal-Mart's floors for seven nights a week sound much like Pavel's.
.
Last February, Pavel responded to an intriguing Web site that boasted of cleaning jobs in the United States paying four times what he was earning as a restaurant manager in the Czech Republic.
.
He flew from Prague to New York on a tourist visa and took a bus to Lynchburg, Virginia, where a subcontractor delivered him to a giant Wal-Mart.
.
Pavel immediately began on the midnight shift, and said he soon learned that he would never receive a night off. He said he worked every night for the next eight months. In this way, Pavel, who refused to give his last name, became one pawn among hundreds employed by subcontractors that cleaned Wal-Mart stores across the nation, paying many workers off the books.
.
Pavel's unhappy stay in the United States ended with a shock when federal agents raided 60 Wal-Marts on Oct. 23 and arrested him and 250 other janitors as being illegal immigrants. On Tuesday, the company acknowledged that it had received a letter from federal prosecutors accusing it of violating immigration laws and saying that Wal-Mart faced a grand jury investigation.
.
Last month's 21-state raid exposed an unseemly secret about Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer: Hundreds of illegal immigrants worked at its stores, and its subcontractors appear to have violated overtime, Social Security and workers' compensation laws.
.
Company officials deny having known that illegal immigrants worked in their stores, saying they required their cleaning contractors to use only legal workers.
.
But two federal law enforcement officials said in interviews that Wal-Mart executives must have known about the immigration violations because federal agents rounded up 102 illegal immigrant janitors at Wal-Marts in 1998 and 2001. During the October raid, federal officials searched the office of an executive at Wal-Mart's headquarters, carting away boxes of papers, and said prosecutors had wiretaps and recordings of conversations between Wal-Mart officials and subcontractors.
.
The use of illegal workers appeared to benefit nearly everybody. It benefited Wal-Mart, its shareholders and managers by minimizing the company's costs, and it benefited consumers by helping to hold down Wal-Mart's prices. Wal-Mart's cleaning contractors profited, and thousands of foreign workers were able to earn more than they could back home.
.
But the system also had its costs - janitors said they were forced to work seven days a week, were not paid overtime and often endured harsh conditions. Foreigners got jobs that Americans might have wanted. And U.S. taxpayers sometimes ended up paying for the illegal workers' emergency health care or their children's education in U.S. schools.
.
"We Czechs are willing to sacrifice and work hard, but we definitely weren't earning enough money," said Pavel, 33, in a telephone interview from the Czech Embassy before he was deported last Friday. He said he received $380 in cash for his 56-hour workweeks.
.
That came to $6.79 an hour, and he did not receive time-and-a-half for overtime.
.
In interviews, federal law enforcement officials, cleaning contractors, industry experts and seven illegal immigrants including Pavel who cleaned Wal-Marts said subcontracting allowed Wal-Mart to benefit while enabling it to deny responsibility.
.
Wal-Mart officials said it made sense to contract out the cleaning work because that enabled store managers to concentrate on what they do best, operating stores that provide low-cost merchandise. Wal-Mart uses about 100 contractors to clean nearly 1,000 of its stores.
.
Several industry executives said the questionable companies made it hard for legitimate operators to bid low enough to win contracts at Wal-Mart.
.
"When you don't pay taxes, don't pay Social Security and don't pay workers' comp, you have a 40 percent cost advantage," said Lilia Garcia, executive director of the Maintenance Cooperation Trust Fund, a group set up by California cleaning contractors to police fly-by-night competitors. "It makes it hard for companies that follow the rules."
.
After the arrests, Wal-Mart, which had $245 billion in revenues last year, said it was beginning a review to ensure that no illegal immigrants worked in its 3,470 U.S. stores.
.
"We take every action that we can to make sure our workers are legal workers, and in this case, be assured we will take whatever corrective actions are necessary," said Tom Williams, a spokesman for Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Arkansas.
.
He said of the target letter, "The notification gives us time to provide the attorney general's office information that supports our position."
.
Many people, from janitors to federal investigators, assert that Wal-Mart store managers and officials at headquarters knew about widespread use of undocumented cleaners. "The chief manager of our store knew what was going on," Pavel said. "He knew that we were illegal."
.
U.S. law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said Wal-Mart executives must have known about the use of illegal immigrants partly because 13 Wal-Mart cleaning subcontractors pleaded guilty to illegal hiring practices several years ago.
.
Wal-Mart is not the only retailer to use questionable cleaning contractors. Hundreds of Mexican immigrants have sued three California supermarket chains, accusing them of hiring contractors that never gave a night off, did not pay overtime and often paid less than the minimum wage. Daniel Kuchar, 25, a Czech engineering student, said he worked every night except Christmas in his 12 months cleaning for two Wal-Mart competitors, Kmart and Target, in Northern Virginia. The companies have policies prohibiting contractors from hiring illegal immigrants. Last March, he won a $7,278 judgment in state court against his contractor, Promaster Cleaning Service, for failing to pay him time-and-a-half for overtime.
.
One subcontractor, Stanislaw Kostek, whose company, CMS Cleaning, cleaned more than a dozen Wal-Marts in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia, acknowledged that he had hired illegal immigrants. "It's a degrading job, very few people want to do it even though the salary is at least $2 above the minimum wage" of $5.15 an hour, said Kostek, a native of Poland. "But there are workers who want to do the job."
.
The workers, he said, come from not just Eastern Europe but also Mexico, Mongolia, Uzbekistan and other countries. Some take the jobs hoping they will be the first step in their climb to the American dream, while others view it as a way to earn cash before going home.
.
Victor Zavala Jr., who cleaned Wal-Marts in New Jersey seven nights a week, explained the lure of the job. "When I talk on the phone to friends in Mexico, they ask me how the pay is, and I say, 'We're getting $350 a week,'" said Zavala, a native of Mexico City who was rounded up in the Oct. 23 raid. "They say, 'Wow, in Mexico we're earning 300 pesos a week.' That's just $30 a week."
.
The New York Times They came from Russia, Poland and Lithuania, and their tales of washing and waxing Wal-Mart's floors for seven nights a week sound much like Pavel's.
.
Last February, Pavel responded to an intriguing Web site that boasted of cleaning jobs in the United States paying four times what he was earning as a restaurant manager in the Czech Republic.
.
He flew from Prague to New York on a tourist visa and took a bus to Lynchburg, Virginia, where a subcontractor delivered him to a giant Wal-Mart.
.
Pavel immediately began on the midnight shift, and said he soon learned that he would never receive a night off. He said he worked every night for the next eight months. In this way, Pavel, who refused to give his last name, became one pawn among hundreds employed by subcontractors that cleaned Wal-Mart stores across the nation, paying many workers off the books.
.
Pavel's unhappy stay in the United States ended with a shock when federal agents raided 60 Wal-Marts on Oct. 23 and arrested him and 250 other janitors as being illegal immigrants. On Tuesday, the company acknowledged that it had received a letter from federal prosecutors accusing it of violating immigration laws and saying that Wal-Mart faced a grand jury investigation.
.
Last month's 21-state raid exposed an unseemly secret about Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer: Hundreds

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11-06-2003, 01:15 PM
Tak smativayu udochki s WalMarta

Royal
11-06-2003, 01:19 PM
Pohoje na tot report kotoriy L.I.Brejnev chital v plenume......

11-06-2003, 01:29 PM
Royal,

Sanam sur WalMartdan yana deportatsiya qivorishmasin.

royal#
11-06-2003, 02:44 PM
Guest: e191a652

Rahmat, adresizni bering silanikiga borsam boladimi ?

G
11-06-2003, 08:10 PM
royal#: 2760655f,
Yoq Royal uyizga keta qoling.

Bad bashara
11-07-2003, 04:13 PM
royal# 2760655f,
Yoq Royal uyizga keta qoling.
Gomer siz ham Wal martdan survara koling, bulmasa 10 yillik barga tushib kolmang, Iltimos! ( (

fara
11-07-2003, 05:16 PM
Damn, I live like half an hour from Lynchburg LOL

G
11-08-2003, 08:26 AM
Bad bashara: 816a9bf9,

Gap yoq 2 yil dan keyin survora qolaman

Royal
11-08-2003, 11:52 AM
Gomer
Qayoqqa surasan ozing, shuncha bratanlaring otirganda san surasanmi ?

G
11-08-2003, 01:44 PM
Royal,

Hammasini tig'ishtirib O'zbekistonga survoraman.

Sizam ketaqoling yetadi endi Amerikanetslar uchun ishlaganiz. Endi borib Vatan uchun ishlen (hzl) Atak vataniz mana shu er bo'sa kere

badbashara
11-09-2003, 04:26 AM
Bad bashara: 816a9bf9, hey fake ass nigga it's not Bad bashara it badbashara!
Gomer, hey dude do u recognize him --> 816a9bf9 (aziz kayumov ) from NY/NJ/MD/chine's restraunt dishwasher/ :)

As about Walmart I did case on them, they are so freaking huge and reach :)

G
11-09-2003, 03:54 PM
badbashara,

I supposed that it was not real badbashara.

Srazu vidno ti ego dostal vot teper pishet pod tvoim imenem.

Nargizahon
11-09-2003, 07:50 PM
Check you spelling badbashara? oops

As about Walmart I did case on them, they are so freaking huge and reach

srazu vidna chalosovotliging lol

Nargizahonkizi
11-09-2003, 07:55 PM
Check your spelling badbashara? :(

As about Walmart I did case on them, they are so freaking huge and reach

srazu vidna chalosovotliging ! :D :)

Mr Badbashara
11-09-2003, 11:45 PM
...Check your spelling badbashara?... eto chto vopros, zachem zdes voprositelni znak?

cccp
11-10-2003, 02:05 PM
mlya, bir-birilani ko'tlarini kovlela endi