Uzbek people only marry with uzbeks,or else??

[simplex]

Are Uzbeks nationalist?Are they fond of their nation?For example can a uzbek girl or boy marry with a russian or other nation's person?
Uzbek is sometimes fashist about some topics,like marriage.right or wrong?

[Mona Lisa]

Are they fond of their nation?
Yes they're like any other nation. Maybe we don't show or wave our patriotism as much as others do but we still do care about national identity.
For example can a uzbek girl or boy marry with a russian or other nation's person?
Yes indeed. There are so many families bound together 2 different ethnic members.
Uzbek is sometimes fashist about some topics,like marriage.right or wrong?
Wrong! We may value our cultural, traditional and religious beliefs stronger. Hence usually favour marriage between or within Uzbeks/Muslims. However this is not to say that Uzbeks are fascists.

[Dunyokezganqalandar]

simplex, maybe it depends from what side and what are you looking for?
after that
maqol:
Teng tengi bilan,
Tezak qopi bilan

[SmIlIk]

simplex,

If uzbek guy or girl choses to be with another uzbek, it does not mean that they are being fascistic :)

IMHO one should marry those who can understand her/his culture, background and most importantly language. No wonder I witness a lot of divorses just because couples didn't understand each other. most of the time those who share different backgrounds, culture and language :)

Now, ALL uzbeks are fashist coz they get marry with other uzbeks....

ALLLLL Americans are nazi just because they prefer and american wife...

ALLLLLLL Arabs are fascist just coz they prefer marrying arab ladies...

IS THAT HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE FASCIZM?????

[Крейсер]

Julian, add indians to the list.


simplex, you don't "marry with". you "marry" if you are a woman and "get married to" if you are a man. i like to get the preposition straight.

Once we have our prepositions straight, let's work on straightening our definitions:

Here is an interesting definition of fascism:

"Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems. Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism. Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism. It is not a government structure." (internet, google.com)

Your question has been answered.

C

[Крейсер]

и причем тут раздел "Языки".

"impaired judgement" - is when you post a "marriage" question on Languages Section. Given this fact, with a high probability, I can estimate ALL what I said went right through your head.

[Asadbek]

I think, simplex has a problem. May be he/she is falling in love with some Uzbek person and this Uzbek person don't wont him/her, bcoz he/she is not uzbek...

this is just what i thought after i read his/her posting.

LOL, Uzbeks are fashists hahahaha never i heart so one comment about my nation :-)

[simplex]

Dear friends,
as you mentioned we cannot define uzbeks as fascist by such one or two topics.Actually after soviet regine,how was the values affected in Uzbekistan?

[Asadbek]

simplex,
what is your problem? Is it, that some uzbek girl don't want to merry a not-uzbek guy?

[simplex]

There is no problem.Marriage is something very important in most of the nations,so i asked this question.IF you want to find a story to answer ,you can imagine of course...

[simplex]

Julian do you really believe language is important in relationships?different culture may be,but language ,i don't know

[SmIlIk]

simplex,

Absolutely!
Language is communication, lack of comunication is divorse :)

[simplex]

ok let me be honest.I love an uzbek girl,but she says we cannot have future,i can marry with an uzbek only.Her mother insists on this..
I cannot understand this logic,it is disgusting...I worried a lot,but i don't know what to do about this :(

[MegaZ]

simplex, talk to her mother and convince her that you two will be happy together. Make sure your girl is not lying about her mother, since some people (unfortunately) do that to break up :-)

[simplex]

how can i talk with her mother,she doesn't know english i guess
ok leave it

[G]

I will be translator buy me ticket BTW I am in the US in the south. What about spring break?

[Крейсер]

simplex,

visit her [the mother] in uzb. if you love her that should be no problem. it seems like you are not a native english speaker, where are you from? i think that will matter for her mother. Airfare and hotel of only $1,500 - compared with love - it's nothing. even for poor ppl.

at least hire a f... translator - c'mon (there must be russians around), if you do love her - prove it. It is easy to suffer and pretend that you are a victim of love. Many ppl only whine about their love and do nothing - you know how much this love is worth? Less than a penny.

EVERYONE, before crying about your "unattainable" but "true" love, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't piss me off with childish murmur. LOVE requires ACTION. Not f.. TEARS :!: :!: :!:

(Romeo Juliet, Leyli Majnun all died for their love. Did they say: "Oh, her mother does not speak Italian or Persian blah blah blah"? NO!

[Mona Lisa]

how can i talk with her mother,she doesn't know english i guess
simplex, If she (mother) doesn't know the language then there is an interpreter you can use like other forum participants suggested. Put yourself to mother's position if she doesn't know you or even talk to you how then she can let her child be with you. This may sound little conservative but still play your part whichever way it is. She i.e. your girlfriend could be talking her mother on your behalf but it doesn't make the same impact. Meeting in person usually make serious changes in opinions of both sides about each other. You never know untill you've tried it so try the best option available.
In my view nothing is easy and everything requires determination and action to achieve them. This could be your one of the determinations to reach her and other things in life.
Good luck.

[Royal]

simplex

First step to show Your love to her and as Julian says for communication learn the Uzbek language, I don't think is that is a problem.

I have a Spanish people learning Uzbek, they say to each other: San ishlashga kelding yo oynashga? Hee sani o*****! :D :D :D
So step by step that could be done. Off course if You have solid intentions.

[simplex]

Dear friends,
I said to my girl friend 'Please tell your mother that you love a boy and want to get marry'.She said 'I already said this to my mum and she said that it will pass away by the time,you will forget..' She behaved as if there exist no chances.After hearing these i don't know what can be done more...
May be she doesn't love me as the way I love her and she wants to break off.
Some of you asked from where i am.I am Turkish.

[SmIlIk]

ehhhee

Simplex abi, ne olacak simdi? Neyse, sen bekle ve dua et...Inshaallah her sey iyi olur. Birde siz nerdesiniz simdi?? Turkiye'de veya O'zbekistan?


Cheers

[simplex]

Ben Almanya-Berlin'deyim.

[Administrator]

how can i talk with her mother,she doesn't know english i guess
ok leave it
mdeee..
first let me ask you are you non-moslem or muslim?
If you are not moslem it almost not poosible to marry uzbek/moslem girl.
it is too barbaric to give a daughter to non moslem.
second uzbek prefer uzbeks because we have "quda-qasrindoshlik" issue uzbeks want to be close relatives to relatives of groom/bride.
it is not a fashism but mentality we unlike westerners want to know and to be close to pur people espesially to family of that we give doughters or take bride.
so if you are not moslem it is even you do not have any rights to marry her or to think about that.but if you are a moslem it can be solved only with her parents.

[Administrator]

Ben Almanya-Berlin'deyim.
hhaaaaaaaa
endi tushunarli ..
endi tebdagi lektsiya uchun uzr.men sizni kofir dep oylabman. ;)
a tak ozbe bola qurub qolibti mi osha qiz uchun. :?:
:D

[Administrator]

ehhhee

Simplex abi, ne olacak simdi? Neyse, sen bekle ve dua et...Inshaallah her sey iyi olur. Birde siz nerdesiniz simdi?? Turkiye'de veya O'zbekistan?


Cheers
if i am not mistaken you are married to turkish are not you?

[simplex]

No i am Turkish and want to marry.My girl friend is Uzbek :)

[Administrator]

lol but unlike you
my "girlfriend" is turkish and i am uzbek.

[Administrator]

i have same problems like you.

[simplex]

really??It is nice that someone can understand me :) which side is creating the problem,your family i guess??
Because as Turks we don't have such discrimination or judgements..
Then what do you want to do to solve it?
Regards,

[simplex]

Where are you now?in Turkey or uzbekishtan?I am in Germany..

[SmIlIk]

Admin,

Nope I am not married to Turkish...We are all about UZB :) but I can understand you...

Simplex ya, her sey sana ve kiz arkadasina bagli, abicim. Benim de bir arkadas var Turkiye'de...koku o'zbek ama Turkiye'de buyumus bir ozbek...Ailesi turklen evlenmeye izin vermiyecek gibiydi ama inandirdilar anne babayi. Sende bi son kere kizlan konussana???? sor bakim onun aklindan neler geciyor.

Birde egoist olma, abicim. Eminmisin kizin seninle olmak istegi var oldugundan?

Belki beraber olmak kaderiniz degildir...kadere inanirmisin?

[simplex]

Nasil emin olabilirim Julian kardes?Belki de haklisin,benim kiz benim ahimi almadan benden kurtulmaya bakiyodur kimbilir.Ben herkesi kendim gibi saniyorum ama belki de yaniliyorum.Egoist olmayi cok isterdim inan,heralde o zaman böyle dertlerim olmazdi..Kadere de cok inanirim ayrica..

[SmIlIk]

simplex,

Inanki kizin hakkina girmek istemedim...belkide ister seninle olmayi. Bir sey demek cok zor bu konuda. Su anda araniz nasil? halan eskisi gibimi?

[Royal]

eeee, allah!

[simplex]

Su an ayriyiz julian kardes.Bana baska bisey söylemedi.Bi gelisme oldugunu yada fikrini degistirdigini sanmiyorum.14 subatta beni aradi ama yine bisey konusmadik.Belki de ayri kalmak en iyi yoldur.Belki özbekistana döndügünde annesi zaten ona birini bulmus olacak.Aman ya cok lazim sanki hatun milleti.Istersin olmaz,istemezsin önüne serilir,tövbe tövbee

[MUHLIS]

What is the point????
As far as I know O'zbeks usually feel OK to marry from other nations bride or groom is in Muslim religion.

[Mirzabek]

olaaaa Royal kachon bunda kurtulamiz aytchiiii

karamasa men ham unga karamimaaaaaaaaaaan
laylalalumga ham yaramimaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan


omadla

[simplex]

Sorry for using the word fascist which i never wanted to use but i wanted to use the word orthodox which i couldnt get at that moment. so forgive me if your feelings were hurt by the mentioning of that word.

[SmIlIk]

Naber sizden, simplex abi? Ne oluyonuz ediyonuz oralarda :)?

[simplex]

Selam Julian,
Iyidir ne olsun :) Hava soguk,grip oldum üstüne afiyet.Sen nerdesin,nasil gidiyor?

[Mirzabek]

ulan simplex var ya seniii :)

ne ooo kenidne qiz bulamadin... sen hizmet adamisin bashka sheylerle ugrashman lazim... var ya yakishtiramadim...,
gerchi turkler hep boyle... diyemem ama cogunlugu...

bu hosh degil bende utaniyorum turk halkina cunki bende burdan 6 senedir ekmegini ve suyunu ichiyorum...malesef...

omadla

[simplex]

haklisin mirzabek,biz türklerin bazi eksik taraflari var.Hayatta esasen önemli olan o kadar sey ve konu varken,böyle biseyi yazmak komikmis aslinda simdi düsündüm de :D
neyse gec olsun güc olmasin...

[simplex]

Mirzabek 6 senedir Türkiye'de olsan da ,yine de önyargilar gelistirme sana tavsiyem. Her toplumun iyisi de kötüsü de var. Biz Türklerin de cok temiz kalpli ve aklindan hic kötülük gecirmeyenlerimiz var.
Neyse saglik olsun,selametle...

[solo]

http://www.angelfire.com/oh/shakhnoz/ jast go to this page.

[Mirzabek]

anliyorum seni yani burda bir gurur meselesi var anladigim kadariyla...
ama unutma ben araya kendimi de ilave ettim... ben turkler hepsi demedim
bir ata sozu var
Kotu halk olmaz kotu adamlar olur...

kendine iyi bak...

Simplex bir shey anlamaya chalishiyorum bak

shimdi sen bir qizi sevmishsin Allah ikinizide yolunuzu achik ettin.
ama ben ayni durumda olsam yani ben bir turk kiz ile evlenmek istesem...
bana vermezler ayni durum burda irkchilik meselesi yok... korku ve tedirginlik meselesi... kimse chochugunu kotu yola girmesini istemez ayni durum...
seni bilmiyorlar sedece kiz bilir... onyargi ama onlarida anlaman lazim...
ben bir arkadash taniyorum hatta yaqinda tanishtim...
adam musluman oldu evlenmek istedi... ama ona vermediler
cok iyi bir insan ishide iyi bir ish yerinin muduru... yani yabanci oldugundan dolayi vermediler kizinda yashi 25 gechmishti... valla yazik oldu... arkadasha degilde kiza yani bir sevgilisini buldu ama velilerin kurbani oldu...
ne yapabilirsinki... burdan sadece ders chikarmak olur... ve ben dushunuyorum
egitimli insan oldugu surece boyle durumlar olmaz. artik kuresel bir dunyada yashiyoruz. Boyle sheylere son vermek lazim...
benimde bashimdan boyle shey gechti alishmak lazim veya muzadele gerek...

cok konushtum galiba... :D

saygilar

[guesty]

Simplex acik konusmak gerekirse senin kiz seni sevmiyo.Neden sevmemis diyorum biliyo musun,kadinlar erkeklerden cok daha gözü kara ve cesurdur askta.Asik oldularmi gözleri bisey görmez.Annelerini ikna etmeyi de bilirler,icabinda hic bisey yemez ,mum gibi sararir yine de ikna eder. Yanilmak isterim ama...
Eski bi hint atasözü vardir,der ki:
Man loves to have sex,woman has sex to love
Burdan da iki cinsin farki anlasilir.
Selametle

[SmIlIk]

Cok ta olabilir...Fikrine katilirim Guesty

[Mirzabek]

vay beeee
ben bunu kizlardan ilk evet diye cevp duyuyorum...
yashavoooring ee smilik

[Mirzabek]

maybe maybe...

[Reza]

ehhhee

Simplex abi, ne olacak simdi? Neyse, sen bekle ve dua et...Inshaallah her sey iyi olur. Birde siz nerdesiniz simdi?? Turkiye'de veya O'zbekistan?


Cheers

SmI|Ik u turkish as well :)

[Mirzabek]

e ne bilir be....

[vipshams]

Yes they can marry with other nation too ....like, Turks, arabs, uygurs, or others but not with kafirs( not muslims)
.

I know many uzbeks ..married with Russian girls :)

vipshams

[Mirzabek]

o'la dumindan tutilding mi:lool:
Vipshmas bizalarni mahallada ancha bor... esi chyoo...

kolya vasya vova zato o'zbe....:lool:
omadla

[Pax]

Ben Almanya-Berlin'deyim.
Bu arada,
Evin hanımı Özbek, erkeği Türk olan ve ayrıca Almanya'da yaşayan bir çift biliyorum :inlove: . Üstüne üstlük kız, bu forumun eski müdavimlerindendir. :lol:
Adı, Charosoy. Forumun arayüzü (interface) değiştikten sonra niki de değişmiş olabilir ama.
Belki yardımcı olur. Ailesini ikna etmek için kullandığı taktiklerle paylaşır belki. ;)
Hadi kolay gelsin... :super:

[Monik]

Hey, guys, I don't understand why you are writing in turkish or is this topic only for turkish speaking people?
Simplex, you are absolutely right that uzbek people object to mariages with other nationalities. Maybe, some do not object which is a minority, but a majority does object. But there can be done a lot from your girlfriend's side. It looks like she doesn't want it so much, like you do. Maybe I am mistaken, cuz I don't know her at all. But if you guys really love each other, there should be no problem with that. You can always compromise... But maybe your girlfriend wants to return to Uzbekistan and merry a guy whom her parents got ready.

[Webbie]

I belive that uzbek people are not fashist. THey just prefer marrying a girl with the same culture, religion and background in some way, as they are like every other nation in the world.

[vipshams]

o'la dumindan tutilding mi:lool:
Vipshmas bizalarni mahallada ancha bor... esi chyoo...
kolya vasya vova zato o'zbe....:lool:
omadla

1)Menga nima aloqasi bor ekan...Kolya, Vasyalarni..
2). Siz dum deb o'ylab tutgan narsangizni yaxshilab yana bir qarab ko'ring-a.. :) :) :)

hurmat bilan vipshams

[vipshams]

I belive that uzbek people are not fashist. THey just prefer marrying a girl with the same culture, religion and background in some way, as they are like every other nation in the world.


You are absolutely right...(I think so..)
I also like French girls (also)..their religion is not important for me until marriage .. :) :) :) :) ..

Sincers, vipshams

[Webbie]

vipshams,
hehe respect man :) u've dated one?

[jolie]

intersting topic here. Simplex, me too, i once fell in love with an uzbek guy, (and I'm afraid I'm still loving him now). well, the story is too long but what I can say is that uzbeks think themselves that foreigners cannot understand them, their customs especially, ... seems that they have this obligation to convert their husband or wife into muslim (if he or she is not), etc....what I mean is that uzbeks judge themselves that accepting their customs, beliefs, etc..is too hard for foreigners, and they are afraid of that fact. That's my opinion.

[Tabriz_Han]

I think its the same in alot of Muslim peoples culture, men can marry who they like because the family name will live on, they will make the family of their nation and religion etc etc

But when it comes to woman oooh thats a different story, families get very defensive. Forget other nations they don't even let let their daughters marry people in their own country, it has to be a family close to the family, people they know respectfull etc etc Its the same situation in Turkey, Azerbaycan, Iran, Arabia, Turkistan.....

The best thing you could do is explain to the family your Muslim, that your from the same family of nation (Turk) and learn Ozbek Turki its not to hard if your a native Turkiye Turkish speaker :)

p.s Why did you ask if they can marry a Russian if your a Turk? if you really are a Turk and not a Russian you should no all the above anyway. Namus is very important as you should know.

[Alesser]

of course, one can marry whoever he or she wishes and it is up to that person to choose, but personal opinion, I believe that it is ok for a guy to marry a non Uzbek, but for a girl I would prerefer to see them marrying Uzbek, if not Uzbek at least a Muslim because of the children, because father makes the most influence to his kids than mothers...

uzr offtop: forumda eng dolzarb "discussion" marriage bulsa kerak, hamma yoq marriage bulib yotibdi:)...

[Tabriz_Han]

I agree, however, mothers have a huge role and influence but in our socities we are quite protective of woman especially in the family.

Sag bol, katta rahmat.

[Gobustan]

Are Uzbeks nationalist?Are they fond of their nation?For example can a uzbek girl or boy marry with a russian or other nation's person?
Uzbek is sometimes fashist about some topics,like marriage.right or wrong?
UNFORTUNATELY, that's true :(
You're absolutely right..Uzbeks have such habbits....

[Brigadir]

Heh savolli qarang...Are Uzbeks nationalist? can a uzbek girl or boy marry with a russian or other nation's person?
Qanaqa o'ris? Man betta tuppa tuzu o'zbek qizlarga koreyslarga tegib yuribdi-ku.. O'ris tak normalno.. Mojno terpet.. Karischi, dinini ku gapirmiy endi.. O'zlari ham bilmiydi... Har kuni harqanday... Cherkovga borsa xristiyan, xramga borsa buddist... Ko'chada atiest.. He sanlani ********* deb gapiradigan odm yo'.. Ovqatini o'zi hamma biladi, to'la o't o'lan yoki bo'q yeb semirgan cho'chqa go'shti....
Man silani bilmadimu, lekin man bitta qoravoy qizga uylanvomman... Asal narsa. Shomil etgandey Shkalat:lol: ..
Qisqasi shu qizlarimizga achinib ketaman... To'g'ri yo'qchilik yo'q emas bor.... Ehhh nima deyishni ham bilmiysan.. Karoche xozir bitta gap bilan nationalism ham xotin ham er ham soqqa... Nationalismning ostida iqtisodiy manfaatlar yotishi bu fact, lekin marrage ham soqqa uchun bo'lsa... Kimbiladi deysiz oxiri nima bo'larkin..
A tak offtop uchun uzr.... shunaqa bir bir tutqanog'im tutib turadi offtop qiladigan...
Good Lucklar:lol:

[lips]

As a mother myself, I would like to give my opinion. No mothers would like to give away their daughter to someone who may not understand their family values and filial piety. it would be more disturbing if the guy is non-muslim, and he has to convert first. Many a time, they convert becos of the girl, not becos of Islam and later does not practise the religion and will make life difficult for the Muslim wife.
If it is a son, it is not so bad if he marries a woman who initially is not a Muslim but converts later. With his guidance, she may become a better Muslim wife.

But for the woman, she will be a lost person, should her husband not compromise, and most often because of ego, men do not want to listen to wife's advice. This is worse if he is non-muslim and may not respect certain aspects of the religion. Men's vice are usually smoke, drink and women.
How can we tolerate all these?
So guys and gals, its best to discuss with everybody involved or better still get a third party involved if you need to convince your mother whom you want to marry but make sure the person you bring home is worth your trouble becos she will be with you till death do you apart. Who can guarantee our future?

[melo]

As a mother myself, I would like to give my opinion. No mothers would like to give away their daughter to someone who may not understand their family values and filial piety. it would be more disturbing if the guy is non-muslim, and he has to convert first. Many a time, they convert becos of the girl, not becos of Islam and later does not practise the religion and will make life difficult for the Muslim wife.
If it is a son, it is not so bad if he marries a woman who initially is not a Muslim but converts later. With his guidance, she may become a better Muslim wife.

But for the woman, she will be a lost person, should her husband not compromise, and most often because of ego, men do not want to listen to wife's advice. This is worse if he is non-muslim and may not respect certain aspects of the religion. Men's vice are usually smoke, drink and women.
How can we tolerate all these?
So guys and gals, its best to discuss with everybody involved or better still get a third party involved if you need to convince your mother whom you want to marry but make sure the person you bring home is worth your trouble becos she will be with you till death do you apart. Who can guarantee our future?

So you are saying if someone is not Uzbek they will probably be involved in smoking, drinking, and other women? I don't follow your logic.

[MUHLIS]

Kimnidur eshagini minib pulini bermay ketishgan shekilli...... :lool:

[Gobustan]

As far as I know, Uzbek fathers don't want to let their girls marry with NON-Uzbek men. (despite these men are Muslims).

It's so pitty....:(

[daturkishulan]

kendi adıma konuşuyorum.türkten başkasıyla evlenmem.özbek olsun kazak olsun ya da kırgız olsun evlenirim ,ama türk soyundan değilse evlenmem.yani kalkıp bi kürtle ya da arapla hayatta evlenmem...

[Shahnoz]

Are Uzbeks nationalist?Are they fond of their nation?For example can a uzbek girl or boy marry with a russian or other nation's person?
Uzbek is sometimes fashist about some topics,like marriage.right or wrong?
Вот-вот, а я о чём... :rolleyes:

Вапщето, на данный момент, как я знаю, в Узбекистане ну оооооооч мало "чистых" узбеков: у кого не спроси, 5 из 8ми людей ответят, что с "примесью" - казахи, таджики, русские, уйгуры и т.д. Но всё же, те кто ещё "остались", ужасно этим гордятся.... и наверняка не с кем, кроме узбеков родниться не собираются... и ваапще, вроде как мы все из Евы... так што, споры на счёт национальностей мне кажутся дико неуместными.

З.Ы. не все узбеки мусульмане, так што по религиозным критериям тож отсеивать не стоит...

[Maftuna]

because father makes the most influence to his kids than mothers...

I strongly disagree. Mothers are the ones who spend more time with children adn children often tend to imitate what their mothers do. Fathers do have a great impact, but not as much as mothers.

When it comes to Uzbeks marrying Uzbeks, it is just a matter of being of closed cultured. If the family is well involved with, say Russians, then they'll have no problem with their children marrying Russians. But (especially for girls) is it not enough if only the children are in the company of other nations, parents must be exposed to that culture as well. Only then "oq yo'l".

[Alesser]

I strongly disagree. Mothers are the ones who spend more time with children adn children often tend to imitate what their mothers do. Fathers do have a great impact, but not as much as mothers.

When it comes to Uzbeks marrying Uzbeks, it is just a matter of being of closed cultured. If the family is well involved with, say Russians, then they'll have no problem with their children marrying Russians. But (especially for girls) is it not enough if only the children are in the company of other nations, parents must be exposed to that culture as well. Only then "oq yo'l".

in some point you are right:D, and I do agree that mothers spend lots of time with their kids, but still most of the time father is the one who is more dominant. He is the head of the house and the one who puts example to his kids and the one who leads them... sorry, but to tell the truth most of the time women are much weaker than man, they are more emotional and obidient, thats why children will also obey their father more and follow his leads.....

[Shahnoz]

off: a ti musulmanka? (iz lyubopitstvo);)
Нет... я не считаю себя частью какой бы то ни было религии. Я верю, но не поклoняюсь.

З.Ы. Я не атеистка ))) ...и не полнокровная узбечка.

[VataN]

наши выходят за корейцев???
хьазил-ми бу? унака деманг, бу проституткалар булса керак. карисларни биласлар-ке, хьалкимизни алдаб юрипти, пулларимизни суриб,чет давлатга кочиб кетиб

[ibrahim mirza]

Asslamo alaikum my grand father migrate to Egypt as he studied in El Azahar so he lived in Cairo from 1917 near Bukhari Tekyaa AT EL QALAA distrect and he was great bussiness man support most of migrates from Turkstan he was Naqshabandi shiek and died at 1968 his name was Ibrahim Mirza Usmanouf from Qukand I am TRYING TO FIND ANY RELATIVE wasslam for beloved Uzbistan

[Suqrot]

Вот-вот, а я о чём... :rolleyes:

Вапщето, на данный момент, как я знаю, в Узбекистане ну оооооооч мало "чистых" узбеков: у кого не спроси, 5 из 8ми людей ответят, что с "примесью" - казахи, таджики, русские, уйгуры и т.д. Но всё же, те кто ещё "остались", ужасно этим гордятся.... и наверняка не с кем, кроме узбеков родниться не собираются... и ваапще, вроде как мы все из Евы... так што, споры на счёт национальностей мне кажутся дико неуместными.

З.Ы. не все узбеки мусульмане, так што по религиозным критериям тож отсеивать не стоит...


Yaxshi qiz shaharda yashesez kereq. Darrov qisqagina hulasa qilmang, siz yo yaqin tanishlariz siz etgandy chistiy ozbek bolmasligilar mumkin, lekin ozbekiston aholisining etnoligiysasini bir tekshirib chiqsez yahshi bolardi.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!11111

[Abdu Al Azizi]

Are Uzbeks nationalist?Are they fond of their nation?For example can a uzbek girl or boy marry with a russian or other nation's person?
Uzbek is sometimes fashist about some topics,like marriage.right or wrong?

1. Uzbeks are not nationalist
2. There are lot of examples for the marriage between uzbek and non-uzbek.
3. wrong.

Marriage between uzbek and non uzbek is not coomon because of the culture. It is same with every nation. If you see russians, they usually choose russian partnetrs, the english choose english, The french choose the french.. It is same with every nation.

The Uzbek people are not different from others in this context.

Some might say that there are religious factors for that, but i personally do not think so.

If you analyze Islamic perspective, Islam allows muslims to marry muslim women and the women from the people of the book(christian and jews) and muslim women can only marry muslim men.
But in practice, we do not really witness muslim men marrying muslim women from other nationalities, from the people of the book and muslim women marrying other muslims from other nationalities. However there are some exeptions.

[Shahnoz]

Yaxshi qiz shaharda yashesez kereq. Darrov qisqagina hulasa qilmang, siz yo yaqin tanishlariz siz etgandy chistiy ozbek bolmasligilar mumkin, lekin ozbekiston aholisining etnoligiysasini bir tekshirib chiqsez yahshi bolardi.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!11111

Nimasini? :rolleyes:

Kim o'zini toza o'zbek deyoladi? Hamma odamlar Afrikadan evoluciyalanib kelgan-de, o'zbeklar alohida, chetda turib rivojlangan ekan.. ajoyib. Haligin, tarih, antropologiya degan fanlar bor.. :-)


P.S. ohirgi 5ta undov belgilaringiz o'xshamabti-yu... Eski mavzularni topvolgandan keyin, nafas olib yozsangiz bo'lardi. ;)

[Abdu Al Azizi]

Asslamo alaikum my grand father migrate to Egypt as he studied in El Azahar so he lived in Cairo from 1917 near Bukhari Tekyaa AT EL QALAA distrect and he was great bussiness man support most of migrates from Turkstan he was Naqshabandi shiek and died at 1968 his name was Ibrahim Mirza Usmanouf from Qukand I am TRYING TO FIND ANY RELATIVE wasslam for beloved Uzbistan

Wa a'laykumussalaam!

I think best option to find your relatives is to find someone first who lives in the area where you grandfather lived, of course if you know the address.

Good luck in your searches!

[Dilya87]

As Long As They Speak Ozbek At Home !!!

[Abdu Al Azizi]

As Long As They Speak Ozbek At Home !!!
usually that is not the case!
Very ordinary sample, have you seen any family where one of the parners is russian speaking uzbek at home?

[Dilya87]

usually that is not the case!
Very ordinary sample, have you seen any family where one of the parners is russian speaking uzbek at home?

very sad but no they usually speak russian ... one of my friends she is uzbek married to turkish kids speak both i say 50-50 ... but if both parents speak can russian usually russian dominates:evil::rolleyes:

[Abdu Al Azizi]

very sad but no they usually speak russian ... one of my friends she is uzbek married to turkish kids speak both i say 50-50 ... but if both parents speak can russian usually russian dominates:evil::rolleyes:

I know one young family, both partners are uzbek. But children speak english.

[Shahnoz]

very sad but no they usually speak russian ... one of my friends she is uzbek married to turkish kids speak both i say 50-50 ... but if both parents speak can russian usually russian dominates:evil::rolleyes:

Oh, no... how could they! Those parents.. tsk, tsk. Why would they teach their children to speak a language that is understood in most of the former USSR countries/nations, opening up a lot of opportunities for them... geez. Those bastards, eh? On the other hand, uzbek - that's the language 20 million people speak! How wonderful is that! Let's not contact any other culture in any way, I say. Let's just live isolated and unrecognized in the world. Now, that is something!

... somebody shoot me please. :rolleyes:

[Lovelylady]

well here i again i can't stop myself telling what happen, well before coming to the sates my parentes told me that if i will ever fall in love or if i will decide to get married to american other nation they will never approve it and oq qilamiz deyishgan is it right though? but i can't change, i mean i don't mind getting married to uzbek becuase iam uzbek but still sometimes our parents put presure on us, tell me guys how ur parents would react if u will tell them that u are in lvoe with someone who is not uzbek?
they will be panicing and doing crazy things am i right or wrong? prove if iam not ?

[Abdu Al Azizi]

well here i again i can't stop myself telling what happen, well before coming to the sates my parentes told me that if i will ever fall in love or if i will decide to get married to american other nation they will never approve it and oq qilamiz deyishgan is it right though? but i can't change, i mean i don't mind getting married to uzbek becuase iam uzbek but still sometimes our parents put presure on us, tell me guys how ur parents would react if u will tell them that u are in lvoe with someone who is not uzbek?
they will be panicing and doing crazy things am i right or wrong? prove if iam not ?

We should not forget that our parents always want good for us.
And we also want something good for ourselves.
So the problem starts in understanding what good is!

And understanding the GOOD differs in every personality according to his faith, inteligence, weltanchaung, menthality, thinking, morality.........etc.

[Lovelylady]

may be but why our parents always should tell us what to do? i mean we have to learn to be independent and live a life that we won't regret i belive that person him/herself better know what is good what feels good no one else
I am not saying iam gonna get married to american or what so ever i like uzbek guys but i don't like how most of the parents look to that point
i think person should decided themselves to whom they want to get married, they will live that person not parents right?

[Abdu Al Azizi]

may be but why our parents always should tell us what to do? i mean we have to learn to be independent and live a life that we won't regret i belive that person him/herself better know what is good what feels good no one else
I am not saying iam gonna get married to american or what so ever i like uzbek guys but i don't like how most of the parents look to that point
i think person should decided themselves to whom they want to get married, they will live that person not parents right?

Being independant does not necerarrily mean that we have to ignore our parents.

Bir gapni eshitgandim 5-6 yil oldin:

Inson yoshligida yani 20-25 larda bulsa kereda, OTA -ONAM NOHAQ, ULAR KUP NARSANI BIMAYDI der ekan.

Urta yoshlarda, yani 30 lar atrofi bulsa kere, MANIMCHA OTA-ONAMNING GAPIDA JON BOR der ekan.

40 yoshlar atrofida esa OTA ONAM HAQ EKAN, HQIQATNI GAPIRAR EKAN der ekan.

Bu gaplarda jon bor.

[Lovelylady]

to'g'ri men gaplaringizga qo'shilaman albatta ota onani hurmat qilish va ularni maslahatiga quloq solish kerak lekin men yana bir narsani eshtgan edim , ulamolar aytishicha bilim olishni yoki hayotni o'rganishni 3 hil turi bor ekan, biri kitobdan oson yo'llaridan biri ikkichisi birovni gaplariga quloq solib yana kattaroq odamlar va uchunchisi eng o'gir lekin eng tasir qiladigangi o'zini hatolaridan o'rganish men ohirgi metodni hush ko'rman va quvvatlayman chunki hatolardan o'rgangan odam adashmaydi va nima qilishni biladi

[Dilya87]

may be but why our parents always should tell us what to do? i mean we have to learn to be independent and live a life that we won't regret i belive that person him/herself better know what is good what feels good no one else
I am not saying iam gonna get married to american or what so ever i like uzbek guys but i don't like how most of the parents look to that point
i think person should decided themselves to whom they want to get married, they will live that person not parents right?

i agree with u ,,, sometimes our parents over do the caring and forget the part that we r the ones who is getting married and who is going to be living with that person not them... my dad is racist lol he thinks nothing is better than uzbek - uzbekistan n he totally hates my cousins marriage to non uzbeks but they r happy together thats what counts...:rolleyes:

[Abdu Al Azizi]

to'g'ri men gaplaringizga qo'shilaman albatta ota onani hurmat qilish va ularni maslahatiga quloq solish kerak lekin men yana bir narsani eshtgan edim , ulamolar aytishicha bilim olishni yoki hayotni o'rganishni 3 hil turi bor ekan, biri kitobdan oson yo'llaridan biri ikkichisi birovni gaplariga quloq solib yana kattaroq odamlar va uchunchisi eng o'gir lekin eng tasir qiladigangi o'zini hatolaridan o'rganish men ohirgi metodni hush ko'rman va quvvatlayman chunki hatolardan o'rgangan odam adashmaydi va nima qilishni biladi


manimcha, ulamolar urganish uchun hatoni qasd qilishni nazarda tutmagan!

[Dilya87]

I know one young family, both partners are uzbek. But children speak english.
i know my family we r uzbeks but my lil sis n bro speak english mostly but we get fined a dollar each time we speak english in front of them:lol:

[Lovelylady]

manimcha, ulamolar urganish uchun hato qilishni nazarda tutmagan!

buni bilmadimu lekin men shunaqa tushungandim bu narsani lekin hato qilganda odam ko'p narsani tushunar ekan, nima yaxshiyu nima yomon, agar ota ona yig'lama yig'lash qanaqa ekanligini bilmaysiz tog'ri inson biror marta qiynalishini kerak o'zi mustqil yashashi kerak qaror qabul qilishi kerak shunday hayot qanchalik og'ir va mashaqqatli ekanligini anglab yetadi

bu faqatgina meni fikrim

[Abdu Al Azizi]

buni bilmadimu lekin men shunaqa tushungandim bu narsani lekin hato qilganda odam ko'p narsani tushunar ekan, nima yaxshiyu nima yomon, agar ota ona yig'lama yig'lash qanaqa ekanligini bilmaysiz tog'ri inson biror marta qiynalishini kerak o'zi mustqil yashashi kerak qaror qabul qilishi kerak shunday hayot qanchalik og'ir va mashaqqatli ekanligini anglab yetadi

bu faqatgina meni fikrim

Fikirizga qarshiligim umuman yuq, lekin masalaga yondashishizga qarshiligim bor.
Bir marta hato qilgan odam ikkinchi marta qilmaslikka harakat qiladi, tugri hulosa chiqarsa, irodasi mustahkamlanadi, lekin bu degani hato qilish kerak deganimasku.

Hayot og'ir va mashaqqatli emas, agar inson tugri yulni tanlay bilsa.
Bu hayotni qanday tushunishga bog'liq va undan nima hohlashga bog'liq.
Bu masalalarni angalshda iymon,amal, ilm va boshqa dinimiz buyurgan ta'limotlarni bilish juda muhim.

[Abdu Al Azizi]

i know my family we r uzbeks but my lil sis n bro speak english mostly but we get fined a dollar each time we speak english in front of them:lol:

Who gets the money taken fom fine?

[Dilya87]

Who gets the money taken fom fine?

who else could be my parents of course!:lol:

[Abdu Al Azizi]

who else could be my parents of course!:lol:

But you get money from your parents to pay the fine, dont you?

[Mr.Abdullah]

Salom,
Yaqinda bir tanishimdan bir voqea eshitgandim. Bo'lgan voqea ekan. Buni mavzuga ham aloqasi bor deb o'ylayman. Bir Toshkentlik o'zbek olim-ekspeditor bo'lgan ekan. Sovetlar davrida yo'li Armaniston tomonlarga tushib u yerdagi bir baland tog'lardagi bir qishloqda bir arman qizni uchratib qolibdi va oshiq-u-beqaror bo'libdi. Unga o'sha yerda uylanibdi. Keyin uyga Toshkentga olib kelibdi. Lekin oilasidagilar va ayniqsa onasi bundan qattiq ranjibdi. Va kelinni dushmandek kutib olishibdi. Vaqt o'tsa ham onani jahli pasaymabdi. U kelin ancha mahalliylashibdi, o'zbek tilini o'rganibdi va eriga beshta bola tug'ib beribdi. Ular tabiiki alohida yashashni boshlashibdi. Ona esa hamon darg'azab..... Oradan yillar o'tibdi. Bir kuni oila boshiga qattiq qayg'u tushibdi. Er navbatdagi "komandirovka"ga ketibdi. Ular borgan yerda uning guruhi minalangan yerga duch kelib bir mina qattiq portlabdi va..... butun guruhdan faqatgina qahramonimiz olim-ergina halok bo'libdi. Uni o'ligini, aniqrog'i jasad parchalarini temir tobutta, ustini bekitib uyiga jo'natishibdi.....

Eng achinarlisi shundaki, onasi o'g'lini birinchi marta xotini bilan ko'rganida uni "Iloyim o'ligingni temir tobutta ko'rayin!" deb qarg'agan ekan.........
Alloh ota-onaning qarg'ishidan, la'natlashidan o'zi asrasin!

PS.
Haligi o'rtada tug'ilgan besh farzanddan birini, ayol kishini o'zim ham bilaman.

[Lovelylady]

that is awful , how parents can be mad at their own child
we born we live but we are individuals too, we are not someone who will follow what others say we have our will and diseres