NEW POLITICAL PARTY IN UZBEKISTAN..

[Patriot]

Hello, everybody!
Chto vi dumayte o novoy parti, sozdannoy na baze `Umid`a , obedinayushuyu vsu molodej Uzbekistana. Svetskaya, Nemnojko opozitsionaya, no vmeste s tem vedushaya konstruktivny dialog s vlastyami(ne partya vlasti). It would be great, dm?
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[Lucky]

Intersting idea... and again who knows...

[steel]

actually, i was thinking about it couple of week ago. that would be a great idea.
that could be a good mixture of intellectual power, foreigh experience, and new creative ideas.

someone was writing in board that why should we need Ulduz Usmonova or someone else in the parliament. in this way we bring our contribution into our motherland development. united group of umidies will be moch more effective than one or two working separetely.

this could be the elite of our white-collar force. what do you think about it umidies?

-gs

[....................]

Are you prepared to lose your kidneys?

[Admiral]

Easier said than done ;)

My final answer: Heck NO !!!

[Baggio]

dream on guys :)
at least 10 or 15 years:)

[steel]

yeah, maybe admiral, ........, and baggio are right. with that kind of attitude that they have ... .

take care,

-gs

p.s. maybe not now...

[PATRIOT]

Well, why should we be prepared to loose our kidneys? Don`t we live in free, democratic country? And why not now?
Baggio, believe me history belongs to dreamers.
After 10-15 years it will be TOO LATE, Uzbekistan will be one of the Third world countries. Even now, step by step we are loosing our potential, inherited from SSSR. We must do all our best now, `vremya ne jdet`.
After all why are we studying in foreign countries, if we are not going to be `the wind of change`?

[Cute]

Yangi partiya shart emas, eskisini qolipida yangi qilish mumkin Fidokorlar. Hozir ahvoli qanaqaligini hech qisi yo'q. Yangi odamla borsa o'zgaradi

[PATRIOT]

Cute, Gapingiz togru ku, lekin Fidokorlarning rahbaryati unchalik `fidokor` emas da, nima deganda ham uykoridan tashkil etilgan partyada(pokazuha`ga). Bizga esa hozirda mavjud bolgan `obeshalka` partyalar bilan umuman boglik bolmagan, mustakil va rahbaryati yoshlardan tashkil etilgan partya kerak. Boshka partya`larning vijdonli azolari yangi paryaga koshilishi mumkin.

[JUST]

Good idea

Why not? na puti mnogo prepyatstviy, no prepyatstviya sushestvuyut dlya togo shtoby kto nibud' ih preodoleval

no pain - no gain

JUST

[umidie]

Patriot, Steel, Just - good enthusiasm

have you got any constructive ideas? or is it just voting?

if we are voting here, I support this idea.

i appeal to umidies to vote and share their opinions

........... - why should we lose our kidneys? if we will act cohesively and in a clever way, it is quite achievable.

think about it

take care :)

[abram]

Good idea guys!!!!

United is better than separete. but someone has to start it first, lay down a fundament.

[Spagetti]

it's not stupid idea.IT IS[B] VERY STUPID IDEA[B].

[LAWYER!]

SPAGNETTI TUSHUNMAGAN ISHLARINGGA FIKR BERISHGA SHOSHILMA!
PATRIOT GOOD IDEA BUT SOMEONE OR EVERYBODY TOGETHER HAVE TO BEGIN IT!
aGAR BU AMALGA OSHSA BU "ASL" "ESTESTVENNIY" PARTIYA BULADI!
FAQAT CONCRET HARAKATLAR QILISH KERAK CHUNKI BU OSON EMAS!
ANYWAY SHUNDAY FIKR CHIQGANINI UZI KATTA GAP!
HAMMALARINGA OMAD, MAN HAM YORDAM BERARADIMU HOZIR UQISH JUDA QATTIQDE
DISSERTATION TUGASHI BILAN YORDAMIMNI AYAMAYMAN!:)

[mdaa]

Patriot,

you gave an idea and I think you should have also an idea how one can realize it. if you don't, plz, learn it first and only after this you try to lead other.

It is difficult issue but realizable, and it must not be only connected to the name UMID as
there are a lot of young and old in Uzbekistan who want a positive change without blood.

[neproiznoimo]

klass:) a ne umidie kotiruyutsa? gde raspisatsa, chto bi prinyali?

[*******]

WHY NOT? The is no impossable things.we have to be strong and patient.better togather than separate.
vote: yes!

[Spagetti]

Kakova tsel sozdaniya etoy paritii? Zachem ona nam voobsh'e nujna? Tolko dalya togo chto bi bit' opozitsionnoy? I pochemu vdrug reshili chto vsya konstruktivnaya molodeoj budet tama? Ili vi potom budete opredelyat konstruktivnost molodeoji tolko po prinadlejnosti k vashey partii (i.e nalichiyu sootvetstvuyush'ego partbileta)? Ya schitayu chto seychas luchshe skontsentrirovat'sya na ekonomicheskih problemah, a ne vvyazivat'sya v politicheskiye igri somnitelnogo haraktera. Nu i krome togo, na kakiye dengi vi vse eto sobirayetes delat? Ya vse yesh'o prodoljayu schitat etu ideyu ne tupoy, a ochen tupoy(sorry for a little bit strong language, but this words corncern only the idea itself, but not its authors). Nadeyus, moyo mneniye ob etoy ideii ne izmenitsya k hudshemu.
S uvajeniyem,
Spagetti.

[Freestyler]

Ey rebyata,

A vi uvereni chto sozdav partiyu umidovcev, vi dobyotes' yedinstva celey i putey dostijeniya etih celey sredi vseh umidovcev (ili hotya bi bol'shinstva iz nih)?
Mne kajetsya net.
Sudya po mnogochislennim discussiyam, odnorodnosti mishleniya sredi umidovcev ne namechayetsya. Yedinstvennoye chto obsheye u vseh, tak eto razvitiye i procvetaniye Uzbekistana i prochiye, vsem uje horosho izvestniye celi. Vsyo eto v principe stoit v osnove programm uje sushestvuyushih partiy. A vibor puti dostijeniya etih celey kak ochevidno u vseh umidovcev razniy. V to vremya kak odni hotyat dostich etogo putyom vozrojdeniya tak nazivayemoy nacional'noy kul'turi, narodnih tradiciy kotoriye uhodyat s kornyami v srednevekovye, drugiye starayutsya kak mojno bistreye otdelat'sya ot nih i stroit' uje sovsem novoye mishleniye, boleye liberal'noye i progressivnoye (kak oni dumayut, v tom chisle i ya). Tretyi je hotyat dostich' "consensusa" (uj ochen' popularnim stalo eto slovo na etom boarde), "zolotoy seredini", to yest' naryadu s vozrojdeniyem nacional'noy kulturi ne pozabit' bi i ob inovaciyah...

Vobshem plyuralism sredi umodovcev nalico (chto samo po sebe pohval'no). No govorit' o partii umidovcev kak o yedinom dvijenii s konstruktivno novimi ideyami po-moyemu ...hmmm... bezpochvenno (chtobi ne skazat' glupo).

Keep it Sober

[Cute]

Realizatsiyaga kelganda, kichkina qadamdan boshlash kerak. Masalan bitirgan UMIDchilar davlatimiz ichiga "So'rilib" ketadi, ishlagani. Manimcha aloqa ham ja unaqa bo'masa kerak. Masalan mana shu boardni tashkil qilganla yo shu ishni qiladiganla, kichkina "UMID society" qilsa bo'ladi. Ideyani qo'llab quvvatlagan odam, o'zi haqida info beradi, qachon qanaqa qilib topish haqida. Bu narsa boshida chet eldagi turli millat societylariga o'hshab ish yuritadi, keyinchalik yuqoridagi ideyaga harakat qilish mumkin. Societyni "kotta"lari ovoz berish bilan tanlanadi va society O'zbekiston va UMIDga umuman bog'liq bo'lmaydi, mablag' tomoniyam, hamma-hammasi, mablag'ini o'zimiz hal qilishimiz mumkin vznos sifatida. Bayram-payramlarda uchrashish, u-bu narsa haqida maslahat, bizani problemalani UMIDga yetkazish hammasi bilan shug'ullanadigan society bo'ladi.

Agar qo'shimcha yoki boshqacha fikrlar bo'lsa marhamat, lekin bu narsa albatta qilinishi kerak, kelajakda o'sha hozir biz yoqtirmaydigan insonlarga o'hshab jamiyat qo'lida o'yinchoq bo'lmasligimiz uchun.
RAHMAT

[JUST]

Salom hammaga

Spagetti, Freestyler va boshqalar muammolarni ochib berishga harakat qilganilar uchun rahmat. bu muammolarning va har hil qiyinchiliklar haqiqatdan ham mavjud.

Halittan siyosatga aralashsak, aqlli bomidi. lekin kopchilikning together is better than separate va Cutening UMID Society fikrlari zor fikr deb oyliman.

Bir birimizning fikrlarimizni hurmat qilib birgalashib ish qilsak yomon bomasdi. Freestyler aytganday hammamizning dunyoqarashimiz har hil bosa ham, bizning bitta umumiy -Uzbekistonning rivojlanishi - maqsadimiz bor. (or am I mistaken? :) )

Shunday qilib, manimcha hozir siyosiy birlashuv emas, balki oddiy Umidchilar jamiyati qurilsa maqsadga muvofiq bolardi.
Jamiyat bolmasa ham kelajakda bir birimizni qollab quvvatlab, birgalashib ish korilik



JUST ;)

[Nuri!!!]

Salom Bolalar, Bu fikrga gap yuq, lekin buni lekini borda. yana usha uzbekchilikka borayapmiz, yani UMIDni juda bir osmonga chiqarib yuborayapmiz, endi usha nom bilan yana Partiya, nima UZBEKISTONDA boshqa chiroyli nom yuqmi?
Mani shahsan UMID haqidagi fikrim shundan iborat: UMID ham qachondir bunaqa bolalarni tuliq uqitib kelish faoliyatini tuhtatadi, chunki halqni uzini puli buladi bolalarini uqitib kelishiga. Lekin bu bilan UMID uz faoliyatini tuhtatishi aqlga sig'adigan ish emas, mani hohishim mana shu fondni keyinchalik ham olib qolish, faqat boshqacha kurinishda, yani UMID fondini faoliyatini Acssels yoki DAAD (Grmaniya)ga uhshash faoliyatga aylantirish- nafaqat talabalarni balki Dozentlarni ham aloqasini amalga oshirish, Markaziy tashkilot sifatida tashkil qilib hamma UNIVERSITETlar bilan aloqada bulish, va shu bilan birga har bir sohada Talabalarni chet elga borib 1 semester yoki kuproq amaliyot tuplashiga kumaklashish.
Manimcha, agar UMID mana shunaqa faoliyatda ish olib borsa osonroq buladi, sababi hozir UMIDni dunyoda juda kup mamlakatlar taniydi, va aloqa urnatish ham yomon bulmaydi...
Endi Partiyaga kelganda, Bizni hozirgi hayotda halq UMIDchilardan Partiyani kutmasa kerak, ushasiz ham partiyalar tiqilib yotibdi, faoliyati esa rasvo. Xalq Demokratik Partiyasidan xalq demokratiyani kutadi, Fidokorlardan esa fidokorlikni- bizdan nimani kutadi, nomidan kelib chiqib aytilsa umidni kutadi, yani real narsa emas.
Agar Partiya tuzish juda oson bulsa edi, man Tabiatni muhofaza qilish Maqsadida Partiya tuzar edim... Chunki oddiy tabiatni buzilishi bizga nima oqibatlarga olib keldi, Bu narsani Toshkentda sezib bulmaydi ham, buladi ham: Misol,Ippodrom. Orol dengizini hozir yangi dunyo kartasida kursatishmayapti, bu degani uni unutinglar degani- uni endi tuldirish nomalum lekin usha atrofdagi halq Uzbekiston halqi;)

P.S: Agar Partiyani mabodo tashkil qilsanglar manga ham habar beringlar, a'zosi bulaman. Boshqa Partiyaga a'zo bulishim haqida hali uylab kurganim yuq...;)

[Nasl]

"Ya schitayu chto seychas luchshe skontsentrirovat'sya na ekonomicheskih problemah"

Spagetti bu masalada kuchli fikrga ega ekan, ammo:

"a ne vvyazivat'sya v politicheskiye igri somnitelnogo haraktera"

bu gap esa unchalik to'g'ri emas. Iqtisod va siyosat birga ketmasa ish bo'lmaydi; ya'ni siyosatchilarni o'z holiga qo'yib qo'ysa kam ishlab ko'proq churoyli hayotga qiziqishadi, shuning uchungina ham siyosatchilarga qandaydir ta'sir ko'rsatilib turilishi kerak jamoat tomonidan. Qanday? Men bilaman desam yolg'on bo'lmaydi, ammo aytmayman, chunki to'g'ri javob bo'lmasligi mumkin.

Diqqat: umuman olganda, yangi O'zbekiston yangi insonlar tomonidan qurilishi kerak - eskilar bunday O'zbekistonni, tushuda istashsa ham, ko'ra olisholmaydi.

[Spagetti]

Nas, JUST i vse ostalniye!!

Ya ochen' blagodaren vam za vashi misli. Ya na samom dele protiv sozdaniya lyubogo dvijeniya politicheskogo haraktera. But I did like the idea of Umid Society.

S uvajeniyem,
Spagetti.

[SCORPIO]

Kogda na mashine pod dojdyom 9 chasov bez ostanovki poyezdite iz Orlando do Atlanti, to vam daleko ne do novoy partiyi budet. Moy vam sovet pospite i vsyo proydyot.

scorpio

[Nasl]

Scorpio,

ti nam novie misli day, a "pospi i proydet" eto uje est( to est staroe); u nas pochti vse spyat i vse "prohodit"! A jal, kogda vse mimo tebya prohodit...

Spagetti,

UMID Society (UMID Jamiyati) fikri degan gapni tushuntira olmadingizlar, adashmasam Cutening taklifi edi bu; Men ham bir fikr beradigan bo'lsam: UMID Club, misol, nima derdingiz? Sounds not bad? Bu so'z o'yini, aniq fikrlar yo'qligi ko'zga tashlanib turibdi. Odatda oldin fikr va planlar bo'ladi va keyin bu narsaga yahshi nom beriladi - bu marketing maqsadlarida qilinadi.
(bir tovarning sifati past bo'lib ajoyib nom bersangiz ham sota olmasligingizni bilasiz,shunday emasmi?)

Menda umidchilarni kelajakda yagona qiziqish atrofida to'play olishi m-n bo'lgan aniq taklif bor (ammo bu narsalarni amalga oshirishda qatnashishga sharoitim yo'q hozircha, uzr); qiziqqanlar menga yozishsin: zielsetzer@gmx.de

O'tgan yili, Umidchilar Yillik Uchrashuvi degan bir fikr o'rtaga tashlanganda: " ha bu ishni qilamiz deganlar bir qancha edi; Mamlakatimizga qaytganda bular issiq to'shakni bu uchrashuvni tashkillashtirishdan afzal ko'rdilar. To'g'ri, yoshlik qilib yiki sharoitlarini hisobga olmay va'da berib yuborishgan bo'lsalar kerak. Ammo hali ham hech kech emas bu ishni amalga oshirishga.

"New Party" fikri, Spagetti aytganidek, to'g'ri emas - "New People" fikri esa to'g'ri bo'lsa kerak.

NEW PEOPLE Vs. NEW PARTY (where, in our case, new party with new people is impossible).

[Freestyler]

A vot yesho odin taklif: "New Uzbeks" party...

Vsyo novoye eto kak govoritsya horosho zabitoye staroye. Nu da ladno teper' k teme:

Tak vot, zachem pridumivat' noviye partii, da yesho k tomu je leviye? Vi chto i vpryam nadeyates' sozdat' konstruktivnuyu oppoziciyu? U vas chto uje yest' kakiye to real'niye alternativi uje sushestvuyushim partiyam? Krome togo, vi dumayete vam dadut chto nibid' skazat'? Heh...

I vsyo taki lyajte, pospite, mojet i vpryam chto nibud razumneye v golovu pridyot

Na schyot "Society": namnogo boleye razumnaya i vpolne osushestvimaya ideya.

Kak glasit krilataya fraza iz izvestnogo TV rolika "Stav'te pered soboy real'niye celi!" (Russkiy Proekt I ili II, ne pomnyu tochno, ORT)

Kto-to yesho tam skazal chto politika i ekonomika doljni idti v nogu. Nu eto smotrya kak budesh ' posmotret' na eto delo, drugjon. Odin iz principov Uzbekistana glasit sledusheye: "Prevoshodstvo ekonomiki nad politikoy". Tak chto ya dumayu ekonomika doljna diktovat' politiku, a ne naoborot. A "noga v nogu" uj i potom prilojetsya.

Keep it sober

[mustafa]

Nasl, mejdu politikoi i ekonomikoi est knokretnaya linya (border) so storoni politikov, no so storoni ekonomistov trudno opredelit etu linyiu. Poetomu mojet Spagetti prav:(

Scorpio, horosho skasano:)

Mustafa

[Nasl]

Freestyler,

ekonomika doljna diktovat politiku .... u kogo deneg bolshe tot diktuet t.e. kto platit tot i zakazivaet muziku, ti eto imeesh vvidu?

A voobshe, demokratiya i sistema rinochnih otnosheniy ( politicheskaya sistema + ekonomicheskaya sistema upravleniya) ne mogut sushestvovat bez drug druga ( jdi poka China dokajet obratnoe, no poka eto tak); eto znachit, tvoya gipoteza naschet togo, chto ekonimika
doljna upravlyat politikoy ne sootvetsvuet deystvitelnosti. Sushestvuyushiy uzbekskiy prinzip naschet etogo ( iqtisod siyosatdan ustundir) - eto prosto krasivie slova i poetomu iz etogo nichego ni viydet(bil bi rad oshibitsya). Horohsiy primer etomu EURO (raznoglasiya mejdu stranami chlenami EU na chet ekon. i polit. integrazii), tema kotoruyu ya ne hochu zdes obsujdat, potomu chto tolka iz etogo ne viju.

Mustafa,

vse mojit bit?! A voobshe ya ekonomist (bolee tochnee bilo bi Business Specialist in Marketing Strategy and Business Management). No ya kajetsya viju etu liniyu mejdu politikoy i ekonomikoy, kotoray objedinaet eti dve veshi (and not vice versa).

tolko dlya Freestyler,

eshe ti mojesh perevesti eto predlojenie na neskolkih yazikah na uzbekskiy:

Kogda ya bil champion in karate und d.h. ein Sportler, ich her zaman ve cok guzel rusce konusiyordum, ammo hozir hamma tillar geht manchmal mixed up. Viel SpaЯ damit
"drugjon"!

I poslednee, ya vihoju iz diskussii iz za ee nekonstruktivnosti.

[Freestyler]

Nasl, I vsyo taki shestoye chuvstvo mne podskazivayet ti yesho ni raz zaglyanesh' sudi, poetomu pishu lichno tebe:

Ya tak ponimayu ti nemnojechko obidelsya na menya za to chto ya ispol'zoval lomaniy russkiy citiruya tebya. Tak vot ya eto ne so zla. (tak chto ne obessut', ya prinoshu izvineniya).
A na schyot nekonstruktivnosti spora ti prav, eto imenno to chto ya hotel vnushit' nekotorim zdes', kotorih yesho ne pokinuli gryozi politicheskoy slavi i uspeha.
Da i na schyot ekonomiki ya speshu s toboy soglasitsya. K sojaleniyu princip "Verhovenstva Ekonomiki nad politikoy" tak i ostalsya mifom (po krayeney mere v Uzbekistane).
Na schyot yevropeyskogo soyuza: u nih kak raz to ki yest' princip verhovenstva politiki nad ekonomikoy, i ya negovoril chto princip verhovenstva ekonomiki nad politikoy prohodit vo vsyom mire - eto princip Uzbekistana.

Keep it Sober

[Freestyler]

Opyat' ya, zabil koye chto

"...Ekonomika doljna diktovat politiku .... u kogo deneg bolshe tot diktuet t.e. kto platit tot i zakazivaet muziku, ti eto imeesh vvidu?"

Otvechayu: "NET"

[Patriot]

Hey, what happened to tomorow`s elite of Uzbekistan? Pochemu takie upadnicheskie nastroenyi? Believe me we can do it. The future of Uzbekistan is in our hands. V 70-x godah Iranskogo shaha svergnuli studenti, Taliban pervonachalno sostoyal iz studentov, mojno prodoljat etot spisok, eshe mnogo takih primerov. Molodej vsegda bila siloy.
Esli ne mi, to kto ?
Chto kasayetsya ekonomiki i politiki, to ya schitayu chto oni svyazani tesneyshim obrazom i vliyaut drug na druga.
Sudite sami, esli mi sozdadim takuyu progressivnuyu party i vozmem majority of seats in parliament, to kakiye zakoni oblegchayushie vedenie biznesa v Uzbekistane mojem prinyat...
Sorry, I am out of time. Hope we will continue.

[Spagetti]

Zakoni i seychas voobsh'e to neplohiye. U vas lozung tipa: "Davayte sozdadim partiyu, a potom sdelayem chto to". A ne luchshe li naoborot, "sdleayem snachala chto nibud', a potom uje posmotrim, stoit li voobsh'e sozdovat' kakuyu to tama partiyu"? A voobsh'e, sozdaniye novoy partii oznachayet stremleniye k vlasti, chto ochen' daje ploho i mojet isportit' cheloveka.(yesli bit po-tochneye, to nalichiye stremleniya k vlasti v cheloveke uje ukazivayet na to, chto on isporchen). Mnogiye uvolenniye rukovoditeli snachalo, navernoye, dumali tipa : "nu ya ne takoy kak vse, i menya ne isportit' vlast'yu" i tem samim obmanulis. Tak chto, ya schitayu chto yesli mi uje seychas budem dumat' takimi kategoriyami kak "vzyat po bolshe mest v parlamente...", davat' samootsenku etoy partii, nazivaya yeyo "progresivnoy", to v luchshem sluchaye mi stanem byurokratami sredney ruki s bolshim samomneniyem i ogromnimi ambitsiyami. Nu a chto kasayetsya izmeneniya obstanovki, to sdelayem chto smojem. Naprimer, dlya togo chto bi reshit kakuyu to problemu, mi bi mogli sformulirovat' yeyo zdes', na discussion board, a potom razdelit' etu global'nuyu problemu na neskolko melkih, i popitatsya reshit po konkretneye tu problemu. Ili hotya bi obsudit' kak yeyo reshit' na hudoy konets. Nu a dalshe sama situatsiya podskajet chto delat' nam.
Vot i vse.

S uvajeniyem,
Spagetti.
P.S. Ksati, v Rossii seychas ochen' mnogo razlichnih partiy, kajdaya iz kotorih schitayet sebya "samoy krutoy". Nu a lyudyam tama ot etogo niskolko ne leghche.

[abdumo'min]

Umidchilar, azaldan olib-qochishga usta edi, Ma'naviyat va Ma'rifatdan UMID ogzaki imthonlari bir yahshi namuna :),
CUTE ni o'zi bitta tormoz :) ( I do not say that others are also tormozs, no eto ne isklucheno)
CUTE hafa bo'magin yaqin olib aytyamman, Dekandan salom, kennayamizzi o'pib qo'ygin.
......akangman :)
ostal'ni'e Umidovts', ne prinimayte blizko k serdsu:) prosto hotel horoshee nastroenie v chayhanu prinesti
poka poka
iskrenne, abdu

[Bukhoro]

i think we dont need any more politics or races for power, we need more work done!!!!!! thus i agree with Spagetti
you think that party will unite Umidies , i think it will break us into pieces ,
why?
coz the first question will be
who will be a secretary of the party? - and here where we will split for the first time ---- and this will be the begining of the end for UMID

[patriot]

Spagetti kak vi sobiraetes reshat eti malenkie problemi, esli za vami ne budet stoyat realnoya sila, sumeyushaya vistupit za vas, kogda vam otkajut i poshlut kuda nibud podalshe(sorry for this sentence)?
Vo vtorih, razve v Russya seychas ploho? Razve pozvolit russkiy narod upravlyat soboy kuchke politikov? Po moemu mnojestvo raznih mneniy (chitay party) vse taki luchshe chem sidet i applodirovat vsemu skazanomu odnim chelovekom?
Pochemu bi i nebit progressivnoy? Na fone ostalnih party nasha party uje budet takoy.
Buchoro, i dumayu griznya za kreslo rukovoditelya nam ne budet grozit, izberem dostoynogo.

[JUST]

Patriot, mne nravitsya tvoi entuziazm, no vo pervyh:

davai ne budem pereozenivat' nas samih (umidovtsev), shto my sdelali dlya Uzbekistana? poka yeshyo nichego bol'shogo, esli my srazu nachnyom "prygat'", trebovat' vlasti - eto k nihcemu horoshemu ne privedyot, nas nachnut nedolyublivat' sverhu, i vpolne vozmojno shto my razocharuyem nash narod, snachala nujno sebya pokazat' na dele, a potom vidno budet.

vo vtoryh:
my ne doljny nedoozenivat' sebya (umidovtsev), unyvat' i sdavat'sya...ya uje naverhu govoril, (umidies society), to est' deystvovat' soobsha i podderzhivaya drug druga. I think it is a feasible idea.

JUST

P.S. Freestyler, you mentioned three categories of umidies, i think i am in the consensus category, because of many reasons

[patriot]

Just, you are right, ne nado pokachto voznikat. your idea about Umid society sounds good, but are there any real steps towards that society?
I think it will be better if not only Umidies, but also other youth can join to that society, where we can freely discuss our common problems and goals.
Vmeste s tem, obidno smotret kak Uzbekistan spolzayet na obochinu mira and we are not able to do anything about that. Potomuchto kak bi mi ne rabotali tam na mestah, mi ne smojem povliyat na segodnyashnuyu sityuatsiu, esli tolko ne cherez let edak na 30-40, kogda pridet nash chered. No budet uje pozdno.

[Spagetti]

The idea of society is really good. I think, we need to start it. And it's not necessary to name it as "Umid Society", in my opinion. Do you have any idea of its future structure? I think we need to arrange it in a way that nobody will lose anything if he or she joins that society. Then, if we explain its benefits (if there are any, of course), then, it might become even more attractive for them to join us. Many people usually are not againist it. They, sometimes, are just lazy to do something. So, I think, for the first step we need to find a good neutral name.
What is your suggestions for its name?

S uvajeniyem,
Spagetti.

[Cute]

When I said "umid society" I just took it from different society's like, afro-caribbian, idian, chineese etc. I think it's better to start to develope this idea, and find a name for our society.

[Haqiqiy Fidokor]

O'zbekistonda yangi pariyani (haqiqiy halq partiyasini) yaratilishiga men ham qo'shilaman va men bunga hammani optimistik nuqtai nazardan qarashini hohlardim. Lekin hozirgi O'zbekiston rahbariyati ostida bunday partiyani yaratilishini faqatgina orzu qilish mumkin holos. Bunday partiyani yaratilishi uchun avvalambor muhit bo'lishi kerak deb o'ylayman.
What do you guys think?

[Freestyler]

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<<Uzbek Speaker: Political Parties Lack Enthusiasm, Planning>>

Narodnoe Slovo. Posted Nov 28, 2000
There are subjective reasons preventing the creation of a developed multi-party system in Uzbekistan. They can be eliminated already today. First, the leaders and officials of political parties do not carry out consistent, clear, and well planned work, and party activists lack enthusiasm and the ability to work hard that would attract new members and gain public sympathy for their party. Secondly, the parties do not have ideological and intellectual centers to work out their strategic and tactical plans.

Thirdly, the parties do not have efficient mechanisms for bringing their ideological and political initiatives to society. Let's recollect the experience of the Communist Party of the former Soviet Union that had an army of lecturers and propagandists. This experience must not be necessarily taken over, but it would be useful to think of all possible variants concerning this problem. (Erkin Khalilov, of Uzbekistan's parliament)
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Mojet chto nibud' da podskajet vam eta statya
Mne kajetsya u vas vsyo tuda katitsya, kuda i u ostal'nih.
Hotya konechno enthsiasma v nachale u vseh hot' otbavlyay.

Chestno - v glubine dushi ya yesho vo chto-to veryu (ya naschyot society), no ono (eto chto-to) ochen' ideal'noye, poetomu budu skeptikom v etom spore.

[Spagetti]

Nu a zachem nam novaya partiya voobsh'e? V printsipe, po sush'estvuyush'me zakonam mojno sozdavat' pochti lyubuyu partiyu. "Partiyu lyubiteley unitazov", naprimer. A zachem ona, eta partiya, nujna nam- eto uje drugoy, no ochen' horoshiy vopros. Nujna li ona tolko dlya togo chto bi udoletvorit chyu-to lyubov' k vlasti? Ili, vse je dlya togo, chto bi pomoch' narodu? Yesli dlya togo, chto bi pomoch' narodu, to neobyazatelno tak afishirovat' svoyu deyatelnost'. Mojno pomogat' i reshat nekotoriye problemi boleye tiho-mirno. Nu a krome togo, sozdaniye novoy partii vryad li pomojet lobbirovaniyu interesov naroda, tak kak yesli ti chlen kakoyto partii, to ti uje ne chlen v drugoy. A chlen drugoy partii(osobenno, yesli etot chlen-zakonchenniy byurokrat) tochno ne budet pomogat' chlenu ne yego partii. Da i s kakoy stati on doljen voobsh'e vam pomogat'? Kakaya yemu vigoda? Chto bi u vas bilo po bolshe storonnikov, chto privedeot, v kakoy to mere, k snijeniyu populyarnosti yego partii? On, skoreye vsego, ukajet na ochen' populyarniy address v vejlivoy ili gruboy forme i vse. Nu a yesli summirovat vse vishe skazannoye, to menya pochti polnostyu udoletvoryayet situatsiya s politicheskimi partiyami v Uzbekistane. Hotya oni i ne ochen' mnogo delayut, to, po krayeney mere, oni ne polivayut drug druga gryazyu tolko dlya togo chto bi zarabotat politicheskiye ochki dlya sebya. K tomu je, oni ne tak uj zanyati pustoy boltovnyey i ne grobyat dengi dlya togo chto bi "sdelat' sebe horoshiy image" [chto na narodnom yazike-lyubimi sredstavi(vklyuchaya loj' i naduvatelstvo) vnushit narodu chto on takoy ochen' horoshenkiy i milenkiy]. To yest', ot nih hotya bi vreda ne tak uj mnogo. Nu a yesli privodit primer zapadnih stran, to prichinoy ih progressa bilo ne nalichiye bolshogo kolichevstva partiy, a ih progress v tehnicheskom plane, sozdaniye zdorovoy ekonomicheskoy sredi i otsutsiviye korruptsii, tak kak stran s razvalennoy ekonomikoy i izbitkom partiy i koorruptsii sush'estvuyet gorazdo bolshe. Tak chto, yesli hotite uluchshat' situtasiyu v strane, to ne ne delayte, pojaluvsta, eto cherez sozdaniye kakih-to novih politichekih struktur. Nu a yesli tak uj ochen' hochetsya vvyazatsya v politiku, to uje sush'estvuyut dostatochno mnogo partiy dlya togo chto bi realizovat' vashi ambitions.
Vot i vse.
Takovo vot moyo mneniye.

S uvajeniyem k VAM i k VASHEMU MNENIYU,
Spagetti.:)

[JUST]

Rebyata,

nikto uje pro partiyu i ne vspominayet. ili poshti nikto, uje otkrili novuyu temu kak nazvat' eto obshestvo, tak shto ostavlyayte svoi mneniya tam, a ne zdes'. shto vi ob etom dumayete.

take care

JUST ;)

P.S.please don't reply to the thread above if you want to convince one more time that establishing a new political party is a bad idea.

[Spagetti]

Thanks, JUST!!!
I tak, naskolko ya ponyal,

<font color="00FF">TEMA</font> - <font color="00000FF">ZAKRITA</font>!!!!!

:)

[Patriot]

Tema ne doljna bit zakritoy. ALl I wanted to say is as follows:
Nevajno kak budet nazivatsya nashe soobshestvo i chem ona budet party, dvijenye ili chto to eshe, glavnoe chtobi k nemu prislushivalis i esli est delniye predlojenya to implementirovali eti predlojenya v jizn.
I hotelos bi chtobe tam bili lyudi konechnaya tsel kotorih razvitie i blagopoluchie Uzbekistana, a ne lyudi rvushieyse k vlasti.

~ Nu a yesli privodit primer zapadnih stran, to prichinoy ih progressa bilo ne nalichiye bolshogo kolichevstva partiy, a ih progress v tehnicheskom plane, sozdaniye zdorovoy ekonomicheskoy sredi i otsutsiviye korruptsii~
A po moemu, tolko zdorovaya politicheskay situatsya a ne political stagnation as it is in Uzbekistan v teh zapadnih stranah bila prichinoy progressa v tehnicheskom plane, sozdaniye zdorovoy ekonomicheskoy sredi i otsutsiviye korruptsii.
Koroche, mi vse doljni bit organizovannimi i soobsha staratsya dostignut our ultimate goal:
the well-being of people of Uzbekistan.