Judaism in Uzbekistan?

[adara]

Salom!

I know that Uzbekistan is overwhelmingly Islamic, but I'm curious about something. Are there any Jewish people there? Would a Jewish person be welcome in Uzbekistan?

[Gareeb]

Yee of course. Muslims my not be welcomed but jews people welcome . Bcouse head of uzbekistan is jeuish. Plenty of jeish people ar living there, and destroying the country.

[adara]

Plenty of jeish people ar living there, and destroying the country.

How so? I'm afraid that I don't know much about Uzbekistan, but I'm very eager to learn.

[Alouddin]

betayin, you sound like the hizb'is ;)

[Iqra]

Assalamu alaikum...
Call me Hizbi, Wahhabi etc...But I would agree on that with brother betayin :D ...
Adara... There are a lot of Jews living in Bukhara...Of course they are welcomed there since this is their home land, and they have right to live there...Everyone is welcome in Uzbekistan ,because people are very welcoming and hospitable. :)

Best regards,
Sister

[Gareeb]

Observer, what if Iam hezbee or wahhabee I am glad Iam not jews. aLHAMDULILLAHIL LAZIY HADAANAA LIL IYMANI VAL ISLAAM. aLLOHUMMA HABBIB ILAYNA AL IYMAANA VA ZAYYINHU FIY QULUBINA VA KARRIH ILAYNAL KUFRO VAL FUSSUQO VAL ISYYAN. ALLOHUMMA ZALLIL ALYAHUUD!!!

[Alouddin]

betayin, Iqra, c'mon, it was just a joke ppl =)

[Iqra]

Assalamu alaikum

Yeah bro we kind of took it bit too serious... :D

Best regards,
Sister :)

[Alouddin]

Iqra, fewh - relief ;)

[SoniTa]

adara,
of course, every nation is welcomed here (espessially Jewish : )
but local Jews mostly are flowing away from here

[Alouddin]

SoniTa, adara,
of course, every nation is welcomed here (espessially Jewish : )
but local Jews mostly are flowing away from here
a kto NE especially welcome?..

[adara]

Salom SoniTa,

Now I am a bit confused! Please forgive me, because I honestly do not know much about Uzbekistan at all. Is President Islom Karimov really Jewish? I hate to admit it, but I didn't know who the president was until I looked up information on the web about Uzbekistan:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uz.html

I'm very curious why a country that is 88% Muslim would elect a Jewish president!

Also, why do you say that Jews are especially welcome in Uzbekistan? I'm trying to figure out if you're serious or joking.

I still am curious to know what someone said that Jews are destroying the country.

There are some many religious (and of course, political, as well) tensions in the world, and I don't understand many of them. Maybe I'm just naive, but I have friends of many different religions, and we just don't have the tensions and strife that I hear about in the news.

[anatoliydaev]

adara,

Some people get used to blame other nations (here, especially Jews) in their own misfortunes.

Nobody cares about your nationality in Uzbekistan. Jewish communities still exist in Uzbekistan, but most has migrated. You are welcome to our country!

[Mona Lisa]

adara,
I personally do not know whether the president is Jewish. Probably he is not. I still am curious to know what someone said that Jews are destroying the country.
Who ever made this statement is totally wrong. Jews or any other ethnic group living in Uzbekistan are NOT destroying the country. First of all, they are (Jewish community) quite small and some of them unfortunatly leaving the country. Hence, I believe they can not possibly cause distruction Secondly, as another forum participant said they are just shifting the blame to someone else.

[adara]

Salom Mona Lisa,

Thank you very much for your reply. I am not Jewish, but a friend who may be traveling with me is, and I just wanted to know what kind of atmosphere exists. However, after reading the note to me in the "discussion forum" here by no less than an administrator, it sounds like simply being American makes us "dirty" and unwelcome in Uzbekistan. :(

I'll be the very first one to admit that a visitor should definitely respect the country he is visiting, including dress codes and customs. But if we never ask questions about them, we'll never know.

Personally, I think people everywhere stand a lot to gain by learning about other countries and cultures. And I think I have a LOT of research left to do before I make a decision to visit Uzbekistan. I do not want to make others uncomfortable with my presence or visit where I am unwelcome.

[Gareeb]

Adara , don't worry . You are welcome to uzbekistan. Uzbek people loves all foreign people, if you visit bazars you can see how they love tourists. Just you have to be generous if you you want to visit to uzbekistan. If your friend is male thats great. Bcause in chilanzar he can find virgin girls just for $50 . Uzbekistan so corrupted bcouse of you bloody Amerian jews people. ALL night clubs supported by jews people... They attract youngsters.. Disgusting..

[adara]

Good grief! Now I know why there is no world peace....you have made some grotesque assumptions about me, knowing almost nothing about me other than I'm an American!

How on earth you think over 292 million Americans are all the same is very puzzling. Shall I judge the actions of a few bad Muslims or a few bad Uzbek people on an entire religion or nation? Intelligent and educated people do not do that.

I have no intention of harming the people or the culture of Uzbekistan at all. And I am insulted that you would make such a negative judgment on me simply because I'm an American.

Please don't go through life with a closed mind. There are a lot of wonderful people in the world from many religions and nations, but if you don't give them a chance, you'll never get to know them.

Peace.

[Mona Lisa]

Hi adara.
First of all, I do apologize that my 'certain' fellow country man made unjustified alligations. I hope you'll accept it.
Secondly, that person whom made a post in Discussion Board isn't administartor at all. Just his nic is like that. :)
You're most welcome to visit Uzbekistan as far as you're heading there with good intentions. As you said yourself you never know and understand different cultures if you don't ask about them. So feel free to ask any questions regarding your visit. Me or other forum users could help as much as possible. ;)

Sincerely, ML

[adara]

Dear Mona Lisa,

You are very kind; thank you! One of my passions in life is traveling, and I sincerely love to learn about other cultures. I've never been to Uzbekistan and just want to learn more about the people and what to expect there. One thing that I have found in traveling is that often stereotypes are so very different from reality! As an American, you'd think that I would be leery of anyone from Iraq, but when I was in Paris (indeed, I have seen the authentic Mona Lisa hanging on the wall!), I met several people from Iraq who were some of the most kind, loving, generous, and thoughtful people I've ever met in my life. I was afraid that they might hate me because of my country's government, but fortunately, they were able to separate people from governments. As such, I made some very good friends with whom I keep in touch frequently.

If most Uzbek people have your attitude, then I think it would be a wonderful country to visit!

A little off-topic, but I do have two questions. As a female, I would dress very conservatively, of course. Would you also suggest that I cover my hair with a scarf in public?

Also, is it terribly unusual to see Americans in Tashkent?

Thank you!

[WASP]

Adara,

Uzbekistan is very diverse in its population and religions. Although as you have noted more than 88% of Uzbek citizens are Muslims, they equally treat the followers of other religions. Uzbekistan is not very religious country, due to the fact that many of those "extremists"(extreme followers of Islam), such as Betayin, are put in jail for doing so, for which our government is consistently attacked by Human Rights Organization. Besides, nobody has to know you are jewish in the first place. (note: While many nations, countries surrouding Uzbekistan, have been protesting againts Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Uzbeks could care less about it; some are happy with the Wars(people like me), others have other business to take care of.) Anyways, hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans and Europeans visit Uzbekistan, specifically cities like Samarkand and Bukhara, each year. Thus, you won't be alone there during your visit, in fact you may find some country mates in who are as well visiting Uzbekistan; even on the plane while flying to Uzbekistan.

When are you planning to visit Uzbekistan? Email me your phone number, or just email me.. and I will email you back with my phone number, so that you could gain some invaluable information from a very informative source :). BTW, if you are planning (like most Americans do) to take a vacation and take off to Uzbekistan in summer, I would be very happy to fly and even conduct a little excursion (free!) for you; moreover I would love to host you while your visit (more than welcome to stay in my house and have free[fav. American word] food).

P.S.But, I hate to admit.. you have an "international twist" to your English, which makes me think you are just fooling around. Otherwise, please email me, and I will call or send you my number for you to call me. Good luck.

[adara]

Hello TT,

Thank you very much for the information. When you say that Uzbekistan is not particularly a religious nation, several things make more sense now.

But, I hate to admit.. you have an "international twist" to your English

I've actually been told that before. I think it's due to two factors: I travel a fair amount and undoubtedly am privy to many ways of speaking English, and I grew up with an affinity towards languages, especially my mother tongue. I'm not saying that my English is perfect; it's not! But, unfortunately, it seems to sound a bit more formal than many native Americans. Tell you what -- you can listen to my voice and decide for yourself if I'm authentic. ;)

[WASP]

Adara,

You are welcome; anytime have you any question feel free to email me or just post your question somehwere on this board.

About your English, I did not mean to say that your English is not perfect. In fact, your English is pretty good, but not the way Americans speak it. But, thanks for clearing it up. I have in fact encountered Americans with UnAmerican English style ;). I guess you are one of those.

yours,

[Mona Lisa]

OK to answer your questions:
Would you also suggest that I cover my hair with a scarf in public?
No, you don't have to cover your hair with a scarf. If you're going during summer do take care of summer heat (probably suggest wearing a hat or something) other than that no neen for scarfs. However while you visiting historic places such as in Samarkand/Bukhara/Khiva and if that place is associated with religion e.g. mosques then you have to wear scarf. Please ask your guide or someone local before visiting such tourist attractions.
Also, is it terribly unusual to see Americans in Tashkent?
Absolutely not. There are hundreds of tourists and expatriates working in Tashkent. Similar applies to other big cities of Uzbekistan. So you're not alone :D
If most Uzbek people have your attitude, then I think it would be a wonderful country to visit!
And Uzbekistan still is a wonderful country to visit.( I guess I sound like a tour promoter ;) )

[Alouddin]

umm... I do hate to interrupt this lovely conversation but there is an opinion, and not only mine, that this post is a bit off-topic in regards the whole board theme, eh? at your kind permission, I will move this topic to somewhere else and leave a shadow so you could follow it from here.

Observer

p/s Adara, I am not from Uzbekistan myself but visit this country quite often. You are pretty much welcome over there. I said "pretty much" because I see way more reasons to say that you ARE welcome, but there is an attitude obviously as betayin has. I'd tend to support betayin's words due to a number of reasons... And I believe I know from my own experience why Mr Betayin has said what he has said... But! Judging a whole nation or a religious community by just a single representative is not wise, as you said. Anyway, I visit Tashkent once in a while. I was in Samarkand for two times [and know a wonderful person who knows Samarkand, as we say, as her five fingers -- meaning knows da place very well, she's native of Samarkand]; visited Bukhara once -- the people over there are awesome... Aaaaand you'll find quite a number of your favorite Jews over there I should believe. YOu know they this really nicely embroided hats. Doppi we call them. They have this particularly colorful ones. I got one for myself and when I was buying it from this lady, she also had yamakas at her stand... "doppis" with David's Star and those candelstick pics on them!

Anyway, have fun. It's a really nice country, nice people. But for plov, I wouldn't advice Tashkent or western Uzbekistan. Visit the Ferghana Valley, and ask for plov made of [Kyrgyzstan's] Uzgen rice. Those are awesome. Don't ask for best, to Uzbeks -- us -- mind, because we believe that the best plos is "qo'y yog'i va qo'y go'shtida bo'lgan" one... khm, sorry -- the best plov is made of sheep fat and meat. That is a reeeaallly awesome plov but my a-year-long experience in SoCal would suggest that you won't like it too much...

Oh, well, best to you!

Observer

[adara]

TT and Mona Lisa – thank you very much. Your words are appreciated.

Observer – Sorry to get off-topic. Please move the thread to wherever you think it is best suited.

Don't ask for best, to Uzbeks -- us -- mind, because we believe that the best plos is "qo'y yog'i va qo'y go'shtida bo'lgan" one... khm, sorry -- the best plov is made of sheep fat and meat. That is a reeeaallly awesome plov but my a-year-long experience in SoCal would suggest that you won't like it too much...

I’m still “digesting” this sentence……but I understood the gist of it when you mentioned meat. Actually, I’m vegetarian, and you are right on target! ;-)

[Alouddin]

vegetarian
vegetarian, eh? :|

[Alouddin]

adara, just an adivice: pick a different avatar... ;)

[adara]

vegetarian, eh?

Indeed, I've been vegetarian my entire adult life.


just an adivice: pick a different avatar

Done! I only chose that avatar because she kind of looks like me, but I have no idea who the character is -- perhaps some carnivorous dictator?! She did look a bit aggressive. I played it safe -- who could not like the lovable cookie monster?

[adara]

Hey, no fair writing in a language I can't understand!

[Alouddin]

vipshams, anu skrepkami? :D

[Administrator]

uzbek president is a jew?
iyahahahahaha........
Adora
our president and most guys from our government are uzbeks and destroying our country. jews nothing has to do with that.some guys belonging to wahabi and hizb allah hizbutahrir groups made such stories ..
and then i find american life style disgusting becuse there is no fair if youth meets and organize gruop sex after discos ..do not you find it disgusting?what about wearing mini skirts?
if someday you will visit uzbekistn please try to wear moslem dresses or you can be raped by holigans.i heard many strories how european tourists who was wearing shirt skirt got raped by local men.that is not spoken in our media but it is true. and many such stories happen in uzbekistan.please be carefull.

[Alouddin]

Administrator, bechara hali keme turib kelishga hohishini uchirmen :D

[adara]

i find american life style disgusting becuse there is no fair if youth meets and organize gruop sex after discos ..do not you find it disgusting?

Although it possibly occurs in some places, I can assure you it's the exception to the rule and not the norm! I've never heard of it, in fact. I'm not sure where you're getting the information, but Americans really are not as immoral as you may think. Just as Uzbekistan is comprised of many different types of people, so is the United States. Unfortunately, it's the ones who are newsworthy who may stick out in our minds. But I would venture to say that Uzbek people probably have a lot more in common with Americans than you might think!

please be carefull

Thank you. Wherever I travel, I try to be respectful of the culture and adapt the best way I can.

Oh, btw, Observer -- what was wrong with the previous avatar?

[Alouddin]

adara, Oh, btw, Observer -- what was wrong with the previous avatar? nada! :) I just thought that it didn't really look like the person who was writing on its behalf... well, based on what she has written ;)

when r u coming to Uzb-tan? Or lost any wish already? :)

[adara]

I just thought that it didn't really look like the person who was writing on its behalf... well, based on what she has written

LOL! I think I'll pass on asking what or whom I look like....

when r u coming to Uzb-tan? Or lost any wish already?

Oh, not a lost cause at all. However, I have a couple of other trips planned for the next year-and-a-half, so I can't seriously entertain the thought until after that. And yes, I really do plan my trips well in advance!

[Mona Lisa]

Adara,
Woow planning a trip year ahead that is a pretty solid plan. I think you do take your trips seriously. If you do plan everything like that then you'll be probably very good 'communist' (joking of course) ;)
If it is possible for you to share. Where are you heading to next year or so ? :rolleyes:

[adara]

Salom Mona Lisa,

I'll be in Paris, France in two months and will stay as long as I can. Then, this fall, I'll be in Russia, near the Ural Mountains. (I do speak a little bit of Russian) After that, it's time to stay home a bit and save up money.

Part of the reason that I must plan so far in advance is that I use frequent flier miles and the seats fill up quickly.

[PainKiller]

Adara, u know i think tha the forum members are not telling ya the whole holy truth goin' on in Our country. Jews are not very "loved" over there. For exmaple if u wanna get married or to merry someone, if he or she is a jew, ur relatived will be in most cases against. I moved after 9 years living in Moscow to armenian-jew area of ma town, and people i know treated jews not very well, and jews didn't love them too. they were tolerant to each other mostely, but it was not even simpathy or Ok relations-just ignoring each other, and no conflicts, cuz there are laws, otherwise i am sure the story of 1991, when Muzlims against jews faighted in Andijan, could have repeated many many times. I often heard people saying bad stuff bout jews. I am sorry man, but u know urself that Jews has been often discriminated all over the world, and the same is in Uzbekistan-some people care, others don't. But i know that my friend (Timur) prefered on his passpord on the statement nationality to write Uzbek, cuz he was sure he would have some barriers on his life way otherwise. everyone here knows that Jews are not very welcome in Uzbekistan (majority i mean, don't like them)
sorry bout that, actually i like them cuz i grew among them and i have lots of jew-friends, and we come along pretty cool. but if u come to uzbekistan, u maybe will not hear someone telling ya that u r bad, but believe me buddy, they wont very like you. so be ready. it is not seen at first, but then u will understand it urself. so if u come, u r ofcially will not have any complainings, but meet jews over there, and try to understand what and how is in there, they will hep ya, and tell ya the truth.
:?

[Mirzabek]

Actually I don't like Jewish people I don't know why? But I know that they Selfwish
Adara I wish have a good trip over what you wanna.
It's nice for yourself to meet different people from iddferent culture. And be ready for every surprise...;)

Krootaya bitta poslovitsa bor ...(Meni kegin so'kmang ;) )

chem 100 raz slishat' luchshe odin raz uvidet' .....


omadla

[PainKiller]

Krootaya bitta poslovitsa bor ...(Meni kegin so'kmang )
?

[Alouddin]

Krootaya, birinchidan adara qizbola. ko'zingni kattaro ochseng, gender degan joyda female'ni rasmini ko'rasan! bu bir. ikkinchisi: otherwise i am sure the story of 1991, when Muzlims against jews faighted in Andijan, dang it! what the f* r u talkin about??? what kindda muslim-jewish conflict in andizhan in 1991?!?!? you were 5 yrs old at that time, no?! how the f* can u know say a thing ab this kindda stuff if you werent' able to tie to ur shoe lashes urself!? bu ikkinchisi! va uchunchisi: Quote:
Krootaya bitta poslovitsa bor ...(Meni kegin so'kmang )
? yana bir marta aytaman, ko'zini kattaro och! Mirzabek, Krootaya bitta poslovitsa bor ...(Meni kegin so'kmang)

chem 100 raz slishat' luchshe odin raz uvidet' .....

avval sal kattaro bo'gin... va aql yig' keyin bunaqa joylarda [constantly failing] aqllilik qilarsan...

disgusting!

[SoniTa]

adara,
I don't know about other cities of Uzbekistan, but in Tashkent Jews are treated pretty well. I'm partly Jewish & I can tell You very few people have ever discriminated me by this part of me. Of course, it would be more difficult to merry Uzbek, if he will know about your nationality, but I think you are not going to Uzbekistan for the purpose of marriage, are U? ;) So there is no problem here... And tell you by secret, the advice of a man is worth more, if it was said by the "old Jew"... So there is even somekind of recpect here :D
No scarfs at head, wear anything you want... Uzbekistan is civil country

Mirzabek,
every people is selfish (in his own way)... :)

[Крейсер]

Identity as a 'jew' in uzbekistan is related to peron's ethnicity NOT his/her religion. That' the case in most CIS countries. There were many jews. All who could, left. They left because they couldn't do so before. They left because life elsewhere was better. In other words, they did not leave because they were prosecuted.

88% Muslim is definitely an overstatement. '88% culturally muslim' sounds much better. Religion is becoming less and less popular, especially in Tashkent.

C

[Alouddin]

Крейсер, Religion is becoming less and less popular, especially in Tashkent
nu ne skaji... ya vot nedavno pojil tam odin mesyats i tam daleko ne tak kak ty govorish... po-krayney mere ya sam lichno videl tolpy molodyh [v osnovnom] i vzroslyh [te, kto starshe 35-40 let] v mechetyah! i ne tolko po Jumah...

mojet u tebya est stat. dannie, no to, chto ya videl svoimi glazami pryamoe protivorechiye vyrezke iz tvoyego posta...

regards

[Dunyokezganqalandar]

Observer, no Kreyser right...if you compare 5 years ago and now...he is right.


wwwadara, check this out link
http://www.jewish.uz/

[Alouddin]

Dunyokezganqalandar, i dunno man... maybe he is right. i lived there only for a month...

[Alouddin]

Dunyokezganqalandar, http://www.jewish.uz/
a pochemu tam pro iak nichegoshenki net? :D ili ya ne dostatochno horosho smotrel? :D

[Mona Lisa]

adara,
That is very nice.
Bon Voyage! ;)

[PainKiller]

Observer,
weel, what happened at that time in andijan i know pretty well, cuz ma friend Jew was killed then. and i lived in the Jews district. do u know that that time we had fixed hours of going out and we were not allowed to leave our houses after 6 pm. this is all facts. i remmember it very well. and after that time, lots of jews in out neighbourhood moved to other towns or went to Israel(those who could affored that). i can give ya the adresses where houses were burned, and buddies killed. there is part of andijan called Yangi bozor, and shevchenko, dzerjinki streets are kmnown as Jews-habitat-areas. go and talk to people, and they would tell ya the truth. actually i was a very rare visitor in andijan at that times, cuz we lived in Moscow. But when it happened ma dad went to andijan to support his parents who lived there. this is the reason y i remember all this stuf pretty good.
observer, please be more nicer, even if it is hard for you. U know i am not nice maself, but i don't start first, if u have noticed. so please, don't anoy me
good luck!
Jamik :D

[nemets]

Shalom Adara,
I can ensure you that you will never face any anti-Semitism, unless you meet people like Observer or some others from this forum somewhere on the street and say that you are Jew. Last summer a visited Tashkent and saw the former citizens of our Republic-ethnic Jews from USA visiting the city. There are a lot of Jews in USA who were born in Uzbekistan and their parents buried in Jewish cemeteries there.
I can also tell you that in Russia you might face the real anti-Semitism, many times worth than anywhere in Western World. The majority of Russian citizens believe in idea that all problems in Russia are because of Jews. That used to be in Tsarist Russia, in soviet Russia and nowadays. Just try to talk to any Jew in USA who emigrated from Russia and Uzbekistan and you will see the differences of their stories.
With best regards,
Nemets.

[Alouddin]

nemets, just a quick note: i am not anti-semite [i wouldn't be able to afford that given Koran says don't hate or whatsoever the ahlul kitab]. i am anti-israeli politics on the land of palestine. pls don't mix stuff, alright?!. thanks!!!

[Alouddin]

Krootaya, ozgina katta bo'l, ok?.. keyin gaplasharmiz sen bilan...

[Alouddin]

observer, please be more nicer, even if it is hard for you.
and you make sure you know what you are talking about... at least be so kind as to know who you are addressing, whether the addressee is a male or female...

peace out ishqilib!

[Gareeb]

Adara, your sionist jews terrorists killed disabled man shayh Yasin. Look how are they worse than animal?! May Allah kill jews. They are real terrorists.

[SmIlIk]

betayin, maybe "punish" would be a little bit appropriate instead of kill...
Everybody gets what they deserve, just leave it to Allah (s.s.). Try not to curse people, coz what goes around comes around.

Observer, pls, if you don't like her responses at least you should respect her personality :) Wishing her growing up maybe a good thing...but you gotta let some things go JUST like that....yuuuuuuuuuuuuv

Smilik

[Alouddin]

SmIlIk, salom :) maslahatiz uchun rahmat. endi men bu kreetaya degan shaxsga nisbatan 'itha nataqa as-safihu fa khayran min ijabatihi as-sukutu' degan narsani qo'llamoqchiman :) a tak ishla yaxshimi? :)

Observer

p/s topikniyam rasvosini chiqardik :D

[adara]

wwwadara, check this out link http://www.jewish.uz/

Dunyokezganqalandar, spasiba bolsoy!


Adara, your sionist jews terrorists killed disabled man shayh Yasin. Look how are they worse than animal?! May Allah kill jews. They are real terrorists.

If you are Islamic, are you responsible for the actions of Osama bin Laden? He didn't kill one man; he killed THOUSANDS. Shall all non-Muslims adopt your attitude and pray that G-d kills all Muslims? That's what would happen if one follows your logic.

Do you blame one Christian for the actions of other Christians? For some reason, I always thought that Americans were quite biased, but the more I learn, the more I find out how citizens of other countries are far more biased than anyone I've ever known at home.

Here's a radical notion: how about accepting a person for who he is, not what he is or how he was born? If you're intelligent and open-minded, then it can be done.

[adara]

PS -- Krootaya, thank you very much for your posts.

[PainKiller]

adara, u R welcome!
Look guys, there are not so many responses for this Topic, but at the same time u can see how hot is it over here.
Obsever, i am not missioneir or srufflike that. I am not for-Islam, Not For-Christianism, Not For-Judaism Person. I am Muslim and i like this situation, but want to keep it with me and don't make much noise bout it. Listen ok as i c u kinda "Not like very much" Jews. and u Vipshams even say that we should fight against Judaism, OK. Let's say u guys are right. but what should a personm do if he is a Jew and was born among u guys? Should he die? or confess that he is not equal to you and for getting this status convert into Islam? I am not against Islam, but guys, don't u understand that for anyone who sais i am muslim! I am christian! I am Jew! all these people believe that the way they have choisen is the one which others should but don't. They all believe in their Religion and gods! don't u get it?
ok whatever, i am for peace! and if religion is against it, i am not in that one!
Peace to ur houses!
Jamik

[Dunyokezganqalandar]

Observer, see how i recognized Jews never criticize when they are minority in some country. you can see it in history too...for example can you name any revolt by Jews where they live in minority...they usually hadnt been involved in Policy of that country [except US] :P
i think it is kind of smart. it seems to be sneaky but it is NOT wrong.
i have been to Izrael cultural center in Tashkent. and i understood that we in Uzbekistan have some disputes with Jews [i think it is after 9/11], because the security checked us everywhere, whether we have any weapon as we approaching to president IAK or something...the jews in Uzbekistan i can say "bezobidniye" zanimayutsa svoim delom. they have this purpose " to build better life no in where they currently live, but build it in Israel" so they have several programs...

[Dunyokezganqalandar]

May Allah kill jews. They are real terrorists
Allah will take all our lives. so dont worry betayin...it is his will when amd how...
think about your life...and avoid judging others, because only Allah SWT can judge "adolat"ly.

[Dunyokezganqalandar]

adara, don't be mad from such kind of previous posts...

[Alouddin]

answer you guys l8r

[adara]

Dunyokezganqalandar, I'm not angry at all. If anything, I'm disappointed. But sometimes, I think that we don't realize how we appear to others. And that includes me! But if a situation is reversed, and as we say, "the shoe is on the other foot," then it may be easier to understand the effect of our words.

And, I will certainly not judge the citizens of Uzbekistan based on a few negative comments written on the internet!

I guess I'm just surprised at the reactions, especially since they're coming from people in their 20s. I might expect an older person to be very jaded and close-minded, but not younger people.

However, there have been several people here who have been very helpful, friendly, and kind-hearted, and I appreciate their responses very much!! In fact, I hope that he doesn't mind me saying so, but I spoke with "TT" on the phone, and he could not have been nicer! If most people from UZ are like him, then I can hardly wait to visit to Uzbekistan! He's a real gem.

[trigger-happy]

I guess I'm just surprised at the reactions, especially since they're coming from people in their 20s. I might expect an older person to be very jaded and close-minded, but not younger people.
Actually, as younger people are a lot more succeptible to propaganda and brainwashing, that doesn't surprise me at all. On the contrary, the older we grow, the more sceptical we become.
However, there have been several people here who have been very helpful, friendly, and kind-hearted, and I appreciate their responses very much!! In fact, I hope that he doesn't mind me saying so, but I spoke with "TT" on the phone, and he could not have been nicer! If most people from UZ are like him, then I can hardly wait to visit to Uzbekistan! He's a real gem.
Many uzbek people are kind and open-hearted. Perhaps, even those misguided souls that have wished you ill for no reason have a spark of good in them. Definitely visit Uzbekistan - it will be an eye-opener. Good luck.

[PainKiller]

Well adara, sorry bout that, we didn't want to hurt ur feelins. I totally understand what r u talking bout. Please come To Uzbekistan. Just rty to be more careful. And someone said, not to say that u r Jew on the streets, it is Insulting, though Safe. I dunno how bout u, but i would rather prefer saying openly who i am, cuz not telling ur nationality fr safety....it is not bout me. I would just not go to that places!
We are the one who we are.!
PS. i want to finish ma words with very Wise words from Talmud, we see things not like they are, we see things like we are. so, i wanna say, the person who sees violence in other nations is violent himself. so no need for futher comments
Peace!
;)

[PainKiller]

Adara. btw, if u want i can give ya parent's adress, u can stay with them and learn Uzbek culture, if u want. they could be ur guide:))) any help u need, anything u don't understand-They will be happy to hel ya. If u r interested, just PM me.
peace and have a nice trip!
PS. be careful!
p.p.s be careful!
:D

[Alouddin]

am back:
1)vipshams, ahmoq uchun eng yaxshi javob bu sukut degani ;)

2)adara, Here's a radical notion: how about accepting a person for who he is, not what he is or how he was born? If you're intelligent and open-minded, then it can be done. lemme back the notion. and let's presume that our friend here meant: May Allah [swt] kill those jews who plotted assasination of Sheikh Yassin... how about this one? :) Because May Allah [swt] kill ALL the jews might include those jews who accepted Islam too...
3)Kreetaya, salom, Jamik [edi shekilli, a?] umuman olganda Siz bilan nimaga umuman biron narsa haqida tortishishim lozimligini tushunmayapmanu, lekin chiqmagan kinnaday yopishaversangiz "initsiativa nakazuema" degandek mayli gaplashib qo'yaveramiz. i tak Obsever, i am not missioneir or stuff like that. I am not for-Islam, Not For-Christianism, Not For-Judaism Person. Sizdaqalani nasarolar "lost lamb" deyishadi... hech bo'lmaganda italisized so'ziz uchun Sizning yuzingizga tupurish mumkin... I am Muslim and i like this situation, but want to keep it with me and don't make much noise bout it.[/i] are you really?!. yuqoridagi "Observer, I am not for-Islam Person" degan gapingizdan ham keyin-a?.. ne sostykovochka poluchaetsa, deyisharmidi?.. [quote] Listen ok as i c u kinda "Not like very much" Jews.[/i] "listen"? to who? you? "as you see"? you CAN see? see what? "kinda"? kindda? what would you kindly mean? "not like very much" actually, this is even written wrong but that is not the issue at the moment. based on what do you "see" I "not like very much jews", huh? because as I said, I don't really care about jews and judaism and feel no hatred or whatsoever alike for Allah [swt] said that the people of the script to pray to One God that we [Muslims... are you really one us?] worship... and I do adhere to that... so, WHAT makes you "see" that I "not like very much jews"... my posts? well, then be so kind to be analytical at least [!!!] a per cent or so: my posts are anti-israeli policy on the land of falasteen!!! sweetheart, bir oz kattaroq bo'lib oling, a?... pora uje vrode... [quote] and u Vipshams even say that we should fight against Judaism, OK. tomingiz jilganligini bilardim-u, lekin endi amin bo'ldim... na meni va na shamsni bila turib bunday radikal hulosalar chiqarish mantiqqa to'g'ri kelmaydi... nafaqat virtual balki real hayotda ham shunday qadamlar qo'yadigan bo'lsangiz qattiq pand yeb qolishingiz mumkin... bu tak sebe, "Andijonga aloqam bor" deganday bo'lgandingiz, maslahat-da Sizga... Let's say u guys are right. but what should a person do if he is a Jew and was born among u guys? live a normal life with his jewish customs and traditions... Should he die? when his/her hour comes and Allah [swt] calls him/her back?? yes, s/he should... or confess that he is not equal to you and for getting this status convert into Islam? s/he is equal in all regards, get a life, girl!!! If s/he changes his "status" in favour of Islam: may ALlah [swt] grant him/her His Jannah, which is not promised for his current counterparts... I am not against Islam you are nothing but contradiction... "I am not for-Islam" earlier and now "I am not against Islam"... yaxshi qiz, Islomga qarshi bo'lganlarni, Olloh [swt] ularni holini voy qiladi... bu yumshoq qilib aytganda... but guys, don't u understand that for anyone who sais i am muslim! I am christian! I am Jew! all these people believe that the way they have choisen is the one which others should but don't. They all believe in their Religion and gods! don't u get it? ensammi qanchalik qotirganizzi ko'ra billganingizda edi...
ok whatever, i am for peace! and if religion is against it, i am not in that one! masalan? qaysi din peace ga qarshi chiqadi ekan... yoki bu keyinchalik bitta-yarimta shunaqa din chiqib qolsa men o'shalarda emasman, demoqchimisiz?..
4)Dunyokezganqalandar, yahudiylar ahl-ul Kitob, birodar... ularni Olloh o'zi haq dini Islomga hidoyat aylasin. Olloh [swt] birinchi [!!!] suradayoq biz Muslimlarga Uni g'azabini keltirgan--yahudiylar--va adashganlar--nasarolar--yo'lidan uzoqroq saqlagin deyishimizni uqtiradi... Islom, bu eng "updated" din... ya'ni, eng ohirgi habarlar bizda--Muslimlarda!!!

hammaga tinchlik bo'sin... dinidan farqli o'laroq!

[Alouddin]

vipshams, bilmasam :rolleyes:

[Dunyokezganqalandar]

adara, see in Uzbekistan Jewish are not at position that appears in internet, i mean most sites are created by muslims who escaped from Karimov and other political pression and stuff, so their sites radical...but if you will be in tashkent, it is truly nicer than in US, i mean nobody cares...if we see other nationalities as i know jewish are treated much more better than Tatars. if we say that Jewish treated bad. i think you know about Jewish community in Bukhara...they really businessmen...

[PainKiller]

Observer, now i am reading ur post and being honest realise what a wave of emotions ma post did give a birth in u.:)
mnow man listen(I know it is not ezsy for u, just try at least, anyway u can just skip it and don't give a shit)
Sayin I am not For-Islam-I mean that in this forum i wont fight with others like our comrades did, and be with sayings like :"Jews are lower than Muslims"
I am Muslim(Alhamdulillah) But not going to show it up over here.
Listen ok as i c u kinda "Not like very much" Jews

OVzurver, i thought this saying would remind ya sayings like "very dead" A bit A live" and the word-game. Grammar is ok here, it is totally right, I know what u mean-that i didn't say "U don't like Jews very much" it is not the same, i meant "U r not In their very size" If u don't get it, dude, go to library(advice)
and u Vipshams even say that we should fight against Judaism, OK.
tomingiz jilganligini bilardim-u, lekin endi amin bo'ldim... na meni va na shamsni bila turib bunday radikal hulosalar chiqarish mantiqqa to'g'ri kelmaydi... nafaqat virtual balki real hayotda ham shunday qadamlar qo'yadigan bo'lsangiz qattiq pand yeb qolishingiz mumkin... bu tak sebe, "Andijonga aloqam bor" deganday bo'lgandingiz, maslahat-da Sizga...

Observer, read above, vipshams openly, word by word said that, if u r still blindLet's say u guys are right. but what should a person do if he is a Jew and was born among u guys?
live a normal life with his jewish customs and traditions... Quote:
in the sake of ur relations with ur friend, i am sorry for u! :D
Being hated and "not very beloved" by such dudes like u. Heh.
Should he die?
when his/her hour comes and Allah [swt] calls him/her back?? yes, s/he should...

well bout the call of Allah, ok look at this situation, why should we have double standarts? Why if a Jew is killed by a Muslim terrorist-He was just called by Allah, and his days came to the end, and when muslim is killed by Someone esle, we say They r bad!! they did kille our Bro! treeth for teeth, eye for eye? isn't it wierd?
Ok in this case, lets look at all deaths Like sudden ending up of thel ifes and leave those who killed them alone, and don't complain. Huh. Ends is kinda nice advocacy, but it is not used all the time, only when we look over, other deaths, not the ones, which hurt us.
"I am not for-Islam" earlier and now "I am not against Islam"... yaxshi qiz, Islomga qarshi bo'lganlarni, Olloh [swt] ularni holini voy qiladi... bu yumshoq qilib aytganda...
not to be against and to be against is not the same and not the contradiction, as u wanna show here, If i am not for something, it doesn't mean that I am against it.
I am Muslim, how can i be against myself? ;)
when i said that I am comfortable with ma current situation, i mean that I often think, that If i were born in Christian Family, i would have grew Christian, and Would love Jesus as much as i love Muhammad now. It is logical. It kinda scares me, but honestely, most of us Muslims/christians because we were born like that.
And all this bad words against Other people who are not in Our religion, is only one of the "I would never become Muslim" Factors, for what we are giving life ourselves. How can one love the religion, WHEN THE PIPS OF THAT ONE, ALWAYS REPEATING THAT THEY SHOULD DIE?
ok whatever, i am for peace! and if religion is against it, i am not in that one!
masalan? qaysi din peace ga qarshi chiqadi ekan... yoki bu keyinchalik bitta-yarimta shunaqa din chiqib qolsa men o'shalarda emasman, demoqchimisiz?..
BETTER EXPLAIN THESE words to those who were killled by "Muslims". But how can u do that, while u have so much violence in urself? How could u find the way to their hearts? As long as u say that they are fools, they would never understand u.
Peace!
Vipshams, even not gonna write a repply, and u go man! ;) as u always do, make a Quote, of ma words, and make a comment.(ur Fine tradition)

[PainKiller]

Judaismni targ'ib qilganlarga qarshi qattiq kurashing.. (vipshams)....

Just for ya Observer ;)

[hakikatler]

pretending to be muslim but fighting against them.