cross-religious marriages

[hyperbole]

interesting to know what opinion you have on cross-religious marriages. would you "cross the line" and get married to smb of other belief/religion, because of love, or any other reason?

anyone who has an experience with cross-religious, mixed marriages in uzbekistan (central asia), as well as knowledge about this topic please give some thoughts and opinions, share your story.

what was your friends', family/relatives' reaction to your choice of spouse who is of other belief/religion.

if this topic doesn't relate directly to you then maybe you might know somebody who is married to smb of other belief/religion.

any web links, any stories true or fiction, just let it all out, and let's assume that nobody here is to offend or get offended ;)

[trigger-happy]

interesting to know what opinion you have on cross-religious marriages. would you "cross the line" and get married to smb of other belief/religion, because of love, or any other reason?
I did cross that line. My husband is a Muslim (albeit a moderate one) and I am an atheist. His religion was never an issue for me, because he wisely kept it separate from our relationship. His family is a little more religious and it has caused a few problems for them (for example, they are not comfortable with me going on business trips - I'm not sure whether it's due to the fact that they are Muslim, or just plain conservative).
anyone who has an experience with cross-religious, mixed marriages in uzbekistan (central asia), as well as knowledge about this topic please give some thoughts and opinions, share your story.
One of my school friends was a Jewish girl (not particularly religious) who married an Uzbek boy. They all left for Israel. At that time, those two were very happy with each other and religion was not an issue. We've lost touch over the time, so I don't know whether having children affected that at all.
what was your friends', family/relatives' reaction to your choice of spouse who is of other belief/religion.
My parents are Muslim, so they were pretty happy about my choice of a husband in that respect, although I think they wish he were more conservative (they are also uncomfortable with my business travel).
any web links, any stories true or fiction, just let it all out, and let's assume that nobody here is to offend or get offended ;)
There is an American film called "Not Without My Daughter" with Sally Field about an American woman (presumably Christian) marrying an Iranian Muslim man.
A recent movie "Bend It Like Beckam" - not exactly about marriage, but about a reaction of a Hindu family to their daughter's fascination with football and romance with her Irish (Christian) football coach.
Good luck.

[CrazyDT]

It does not matter whom you marry as long as you get along with other side. Having said that I wonder what kinda of mix you'd have if one is a communist and the other is a fascist, a love war? ;-)

PS Self imposing a rule on your self is to deny your nature.

[PainKiller]

well as far as those two are not ver religious, they will take it OK. :D but if the one is religious, the belief of his/her future half will surely matter. :( These people who say that they do not care bout the religion of the person whom they gonna spend the whole their lives, actually are not religious themselves, and don't know their religion very well, even if they have read kinda clever books and stuff(and truly belief that they know it pretty well, but actually their knowledge is notta more than the material gathered by a scientist bout other religious) they don't realize what a sin it is in all the religions. :D Islams allows the male to marry the woman of another religions, but don't let women to get married males of other belief. ;)
I know some people who did marry and "crossed the line" as u say, but they were both kinda "Modern" people, who consider themselves of this or another religion, only cuz they were born like that. :)
I know some people who did marry, but as i have said before, they were not religious. In cross-Religious-Marriages, first people who are against are
P A R E N T S!! It is hard for them and for their kids, so they just leave them and start independent life without them. :?

[unseen]

Well at the time of marriage, alot of couplles think that religion is not a problem...and it wont effect the relationship. However, one of the couples end up becoming religious and this may cause disputes.

I know a friend of mine, she as a muslim married a hindu, from what i know they're happy. The parents didnt accept it first...but in the end they agreed.

I also have an orthodox friend where she married a muslim guy...they were inlove..but as tome passed, she became muslim and very religious, and her husband became more non-religious, this caused alot of problems so they divorced.

My neighbour, originally macedonian turk..married a croation lady who was catholic....as time passed, he converted to his wife's religion. But its funny because, his wife believes in alot of the things in islam...their children have muslim names...but i guess its not enough

take care

[SoniTa]

I did "big" sin. I refused the proposal of the guy, when "sovchi" while talking about his good sides said " oh he's such a good guy, bla bla bla & even has his 5-times namaz" ... :shock: And such a beatifull picture appeared in my mind: Here I am sitting in hijjab with 5 children and waiting when "our papa" comes home, & this wait is not because I really miss him, but because I'm too bored of this life where women are not allowed even to work. Yaaaaaaak...
That was the time I said, too much religious people are not allowed into you life, Sophia, and You won't ever be dependable from somebody's wills.
And though I love my parents I sweared myself that I won't marry anyone before I will stay on my own feet.

[trigger-happy]

"sovchi" while talking about his good sides said " oh he's such a good guy, bla bla bla & even has his 5-times namaz" ...
Does that guy work? :shock: Hard to imagine a gainfully employed person taking 5 breaks from work every day. :D Hard enough to find time to grab a bite at lunch. :twisted:

[mujreem]

Does that guy work? Hard to imagine a gainfully employed person taking 5 breaks from work every day. :D Hard enough to find time to grab a bite at lunch.Ne osmelivayus' vas, uvajaemaya, nazvat' duroy, tak kak bespokoyus' kak bi obitateli lechebnic dlya dushevnobol'nih ne vozmutilis', uveren chto eto ih sil'no zadelo bi. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Vo pervih, vse milliarderi vklyuchaya i ne musul'man, yavlyayutsya lud'mi veruyushimi. I ne prosto veruyushimi, a gluboko veruyushimi. Sredi ateistov net ni odnogo milliardera.
A chto kasayet'sya namaza, to 5 raz nado chitat' za sutki, a ne za rabochee vremya. Za rabochee vremya pridetsya prochest' vsego lish' 2 raza, v zimniy period maximum tri raza.
A to chto vas volnuet problemi prinyatiya material'noy pishi a ne duhovnoy, tak eto potomu chto vi yavlyayetes' "potrebitelem", i tratite vse svoi resursi, vklyuchaya daje i svoi misli tol'ko na to chto bi udovletvorit svoi jivotnie potrebnosti tem samim obogoshaya drugih.

ciao

[trigger-happy]

Ne osmelivayus' vas, uvajaemaya, nazvat' duroy, tak kak bespokoyus' kak bi obitateli lechebnic dlya dushevnobol'nih ne vozmutilis', uveren chto eto ih sil'no zadelo bi. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
otozh, kak vozmutilsya. :lool:

[Reza]

I know a friend of mine, she as a muslim married a hindu, from what i know they're happy. The parents didnt accept it first...but in the end they agreed.


take care


This friend of yours who married a hindu was most probably turkish or european muslim. As far as i have seen most turkish dont care these days specially about relegion.

[mujreem]

otozh, kak vozmutilsya. :lool:Я бы назвал это по другому: не возмутился, а указал на место.
Да и еще, ты со своим материализованным фенизированным супер дупер умом так и ничего не смогла сказать относительно приведенных аргуметов. Твоего ума хватила только на беззубенького смайлика.
И еще, мой вопрос заданный на другом топике остаеться все еще открытым. Твой муж случайно не негр? Я почему то прихожу к такому мнению. Если я ощибаюсь, (хотя я когда делаю выводы редко ощибаюсь) то поправь меня.

чиао.

[trigger-happy]

Да и еще, ты со своим материализованным фенизированным супер дупер умом так и ничего не смогла сказать относительно приведенных аргуметов. Твоего ума хватила только на беззубенького смайлика.
Т.к. твоего ума не хватило на то, чтобы отличить шутку от серьёзного аргумента, то беззубенький смайлик - единственный ответ такому умнику.
И еще, мой вопрос заданный на другом топике остаеться все еще открытым. Твой муж случайно не негр? Я почему то прихожу к такому мнению. Если я ощибаюсь, (хотя я когда делаю выводы редко ощибаюсь) то поправь меня.
Давно ответила на твой вопрос в той же теме. Вытащи глаза из пятой точки и читай. Кстати, мой ответный вопрос остаётся открытым: каким образом можно прийти к выводу относительно расы человека, когда единственными данными являются взгляды его жены? Мне просто интересно, каким супер дупер умом можно до такого додуматься.

P.S. Кстати, Билл Гейтс, хоть и не миллиардер (скорее, мультимиллиардер) является атеистом. "Aргумент". :P

[WASP]

Ya by hotel chto by moya zhena chitala 5 raz namaz, no i v tozhe vremya hodila so mnoj na diskoteki (pit' shmit' bez vsyakogo takogo der'ma, proshu proscheniya za grubost').. ne materilas', no chto by byla sovremennoj.. (ne hochu konservativnuyu zhenu s tolstoj popoj :haha: :) uhazhivala za soboj i t.d... nu i samoe glavnoe chto by ne byla "sukoj" (modera-adminy eto ne mat). Hot' ya i ne protiv "cross-religious marriages," ya predpochitayu musul'manku. Just my two cents..

[WASP]

хотя я когда делаю выводы редко ощибаюсь

Mujreem ty ili durak, ili ochen' glupyj! (kakaya raznica?) Takoe takzhe tvoi zhe super duper Pasestincy govoryat, poetomu i v polnom der'me. Takoe mog skazat' chelovek pri polnom otstustvie lobovoj chasti chelovecheskogo mozga (utochnu: "frontal lobe" otkroj kinzhku po psychology i posmotri funkcii etoj chasti mozga, mozhet pojmesh o chem ya), ILI chelovek kotoryj celymi dnyami sidit v mecheti nadeyas' emu Bog s neba chudom otpravit edu. Ty ochen' protivorechish Musul'manskim principam, hotya i podpisovaeshsya pod ochen' religioznogo cheloveka. Hudoim TaOlloh (God forgive me for spelling wrong) ayganlar: "Sandan harkat, mandan barakat." I est' drugaya horoshaya poslovica "There is no progress, without any mistakes." Chelovek kto redko oshibaetsya v svoih vyvodah, eto tot chelovek kto redko chem libo zanimaetsya. Vot tak vot, BRATAN. Hotya, vozmozhno ya oshibayus' v svoih vyvodah o tebe; isprav' menya! :P

[Alouddin]

TT, u r about 2 b congratulated on ur first warning for language...

[mujreem]

Т.к. твоего ума не хватило на то, чтобы отличить шутку от серьёзного аргумента, то беззубенький смайлик - единственный ответ такому умнику.
Ну хоть спасибо вам многоуважаемая за то что не стали меня обвинять в мужском шовинизме. Стоило сказать что то против вас, так вы чуть ли не стали отказываться от своих слов. Надо же, Ее величество пошутили оказываеться.
Быть может Ее величество еще и лицемерием страдают?
А за слова то надо отвечать, даже если и сказано в шутку.

Давно ответила на твой вопрос в той же теме. Вытащи глаза из пятой точки и читай.
А я не нашел ответа, может укажите ссылку на ваш ответ в той же теме? И надеюсь вас это не затруднит?
Да и еще, как можно указать ссылку на ответ когда такового отсутствуют?
А да, вслучае если вдруг не сможете найти ответ, то не торопитесь сказать что ее удалили, просто topic was splited, но и на другом топике я не нашел ответа.
Кстати, мой ответный вопрос остаётся открытым: каким образом можно прийти к выводу относительно расы человека, когда единственными данными являются взгляды его жены? Мне просто интересно, каким супер дупер умом можно до такого додуматься.Во первых, этот вопрос я только увидел. Отвечу коротко. Есть такая наука, называеться "Аналитика". Вы на этом форуме выступаете давно, но не думайте что я слежу за каждым вашим перлом, просто иногда не мог не обратит внимание на ваши творения. А порой даже пару слов достаточно что бы иметь примерное представление о человеке. Но я все таки не исключаю вероятности того что я мог ощибиться в своих догадках. Человеческий фактор всегда существует, да вот только ваши манеры говорят в пользу моих руссуждений.
Да и еще, ответ я все таки не получил.
Осмелюсь задать еще один вопрос, но это не имеет ничего общего с этой дискуссией. А ваш супруг случайно летом 2002 года не посещал Узбекистан?

P.S. Кстати, Билл Гейтс, хоть и не миллиардер (скорее, мультимиллиардер) является атеистом. "Aргумент". :PА где факты?
Странно что вы думаете что он являеться атеистом, но впринципе я вас переубеждать не собираюсь. Давайте сначала посмотрим на ваши факты. Но более странно то, что вы Билла Гейтса не считаете миллиардером.
Да и еще, мультимиллиардер это что такое? Вот это меня больше заинтересовало. Я про такого еще не слыхал, даже в словарях посмотрел, ну извените, не носитель языка я все таки, но такого слово я не встретил нигде :(. Хотелось бы узнать где вы такое слово прочли, или может сами состряпали? Но как бы там не было, эффекта у вас не получилось.

Ya by hotel chto by moya zhena chitala 5 raz namaz, no i v tozhe vremya hodila so mnoj na diskoteki...
...
Это как, и рыбку съесть, и ... ?

Mujreem ty ili durak, ili ochen' glupyj! (kakaya raznica?) Takoe takzhe tvoi zhe super duper Pasestincy govoryat, poetomu i v polnom der'me. Takoe mog skazat' chelovek pri polnom otstustvie lobovoj chasti chelovecheskogo mozga (utochnu: "frontal lobe" otkroj kinzhku po psychology i posmotri funkcii etoj chasti mozga, mozhet pojmesh o chem ya), ILI chelovek kotoryj celymi dnyami sidit v mecheti nadeyas' emu Bog s neba chudom otpravit edu. Ty ochen' protivorechish Musul'manskim principam, hotya i podpisovaeshsya pod ochen' religioznogo cheloveka. Hudoim TaOlloh (God forgive me for spelling wrong) ayganlar: "Sandan harkat, mandan barakat." I est' drugaya horoshaya poslovica "There is no progress, without any mistakes." Chelovek kto redko oshibaetsya v svoih vyvodah, eto tot chelovek kto redko chem libo zanimaetsya. Vot tak vot, BRATAN. Hotya, vozmozhno ya oshibayus' v svoih vyvodah o tebe; isprav' menya! :P Психология говорите? Ну, ну.
Кстати, а почему ваша речь такая непоследовательная?
Может ответ на этот вопрос, тоже мне искать на любой книжке по психологии? Заодно узнал бы и про функции "frontal lobe", хотя функции головного мозга, включая и лобовых частей, лучше было бы узнать в книжках по анатомии конечно, но это (где искать) ведь не так уж и важно. Не имеет отношения к нашей дискусси, верно?

ваъассалам.

[Administrator]

"sovchi" while talking about his good sides said " oh he's such a good guy, bla bla bla & even has his 5-times namaz" ...
Does that guy work? :shock: Hard to imagine a gainfully employed person taking 5 breaks from work every day. :D Hard enough to find time to grab a bite at lunch. :twisted:
you are so wrong my dear.
for example i do 5 times namaz and great amount of work.İ know many moslems who work at modern buildings with big amount of work and who do 5 times namaz.
trigger happy your ideas about moslem lifestly is not so wide as you suppose.

[Administrator]

i vobshe v turtsii ya viju mnogiye uspevayushiye umniyie lyudi chitayut 5 times namaz. Uchitilya,professori,primer minister stari(kto yavlyayetsa pervim chelovekom v strane)etc..
segodashniy Primer tursii yarkiy primer soveremmennogo islama vot on vsegda chital 5 times namaz i sdelal mnogo reform v istanbule kogda on bil 1im lis,tsom v rukuvudstve etogo goroda i tolka blogodrya k etomu ego reyting bil opchen visok i vigral v viborah oıpredelih mnogih potensialnih konkurentov kotoriye ne chitali namaz kak eto delal today'primer minister Recep Tayip Erdogan.
ne shetyu shto namaz eto zanimayet slishkom mnogo vremeni lichno meya naprimer namza ochishayet dushu kogda ya kajdiraz delayu.etogo ya nemogu obesnet eto moyo lichno dushevnaya chustvo.eto kak toje narkotiki.ya ne lgu.
Trigger happy ti poprubay delat eto toje i uvidesh raznitsu nedavno moya amerkanskaya znakomka kotoraya pochti ispovedla Buddizm bez prinyatiy islama pobrobovala chitat naman nu koneshno s ponimaniyem chego tam gvoritsa v anliysmo i kontse ona bila v super sostayani kak ona govorila kotoraga ona ranshe ne predstavlyala vot potom ona stla musilmankoy i v eto vremyo polnusti praktikuyet islam ka jenshina istalo ey spokoyna v dushe nokonetsto obretila pokoy.
vot takiye vot dela.

[Administrator]

Ya by hotel chto by moya zhena chitala 5 raz namaz, no i v tozhe vremya hodila so mnoj na diskoteki...
eto kak? :?
chesto govorya
vuahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........ ...

[WASP]

A chto smeshnogo!?? :D

Ya eto tak sarkastichno otmetil, chto mne *NE* (edited) nuzhna tolsto-zhopaya domo-hozyajka. Chego nikogda ne vstrechali, sovremennyh musul'manok? Eh mnogoe teryaete!! haha

[WASP]

mujreem,
Психология говорите? Ну, ну.
Кстати, а почему ваша речь такая непоследовательная?
Может ответ на этот вопрос, тоже мне искать на любой книжке по психологии? Заодно узнал бы и про функции "frontal lobe", хотя функции головного мозга, включая и лобовых частей, лучше было бы узнать в книжках по анатомии конечно, но это (где искать) ведь не так уж и важно. Не имеет отношения к нашей дискусси, верно?

Nu, voobsche knizhka po psihologii uglublenno izuchaet mozg i prilagayushie k nej chasti, poetomu ya posovetoval knigu po psihologii. Anatomiya, k vashemu svedeniyu ne izuchet funkcii mozga. Vobschem, po suchestvu.. budte obyektivnee, otvechajte na moi vyvody.

[Mona Lisa]

Ya by hotel chto by moya zhena chitala 5 raz namaz, no i v tozhe vremya hodila so mnoj na diskoteki...
eto kak? :?
chesto govorya
vuahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........ ...

What is so funny about it? As you said yourself it is possible to pray 5 times a day and work so why not it's possible pray and go to nightclubs during weekends.
I actually know so many girls which they do both. And they do it perfectly well.

[trigger-happy]

mujreem,
Time for your meds? :rolleyes:

[Administrator]

TT
who said you that you should keep your wife at home?
Da ya slishkom mnogo videl sovremennih musilmanok.
No eto ne znachet shto oni poseshayut diskoteyki.
yest mnogo del v spvremnnom biznese gde jenshini
musilmakne s hijjabe zanimyut vesma prestijniye posti.
da it ryadavoga uborshits do generalnogo derektorata.
Mnogoiye iz nih rabayaut uchtelayami,doktarami,injenarami..etc.
i kto goborit shto jenshina v hijjabe eto tolstaya domahozyaka?
kak bud netu domahazyk tolstushek sredi ne musilmanok.
a tvoya idea naschet jenhi kto delayet 5 times namaz i poseshyet
diskoteyki eto prosto smeshno uj pover mne eto ochen smeshno.
ti naverno poymesh menya koga ti v destvitelnosti poymesh islam
i budesh delat namaz.no tebya etogo ne ponyat poskolku u tebya
drugiyi idea o sovremmenosti ne imeyushiy nichego s islamom.
i kto vidumal shto chelovek poseshayushiy diskoteyku eto i yest
sovreminniy chelovek?
Dlya menya vse diskoteki eto ochagi anarhii i gryazi.
diskoyeyki i nochniye klubi eto ne dlay musimanskogo obshestvo.




Mona lisa there are many difference with work(if it is not haram job)

[WASP]

Administrator,

Ty poputal bratok. Ne znayu v kakoj dyre ty zhivesh, no gde ya zhivu diskoteki ne prinimayutsya za "ochagi anarhii i gryazi," a naoborot tam gde lyudi rasslablyayutsya v polne *prilichnom* obraze, pod prilichnom imeetsya vvidu posidet' s druzyami, po tancevat' i t.d. (ne obyazatelno travkoj obkurevatsya, i telok lovit').. To chto ty opisal, "ochagi anarhii i gryazi," vozmozhno i est' drugoe znachenie slova diskoteki.. no ne te kotorye ya poseschayu. Tak chto, pered tem kak delat' kakie libo vyvody, a tochneya prinimat' normalnye slova v iskzhennom formate - iz-za tvoej isporchennosti ili naivnosti, a mozhet iz-za degenerativnosti - sperva uznaj cheloveka po blizhe, i ego/ee socialnye normy.

K stati, razgovora o tom chto musulmanki ne zanimayut vpolne prilichnye posty ne bylo, ne znayu s chego eto ne v temu kalyakaesh'.

Razgovor byl o zhene kotoruyu ya by hotel imet', t.e. ne tolsto-zhopuyu domohozhyajku, a vpolne sovremennuyu delovuyu zhenschinu-musul'manku.

A teper' na schet smeshnogo. Znachit' po tvoemu mentalitetu zhenschina-musul'manka ne imeet prava razvlekatsya (v polne prilichnoj forme)? Chto v etom takogo? K stati, kogda ya govoryu pro musul'manok, ya ne obyazatelno imeyu vvidu musulmanok v hijabe; kak tebe izvestno ne vse musulmanki nostyat platok na golove 24/7.. i ya by ne stal trebovat' chto by moya zhena nosila.. ya govoril pro teh kto verit v Boga serdcem, a ne naturoj. Esli dlya tebya idealnaya zhena, eto ta kotorya budet sidet' doma i uhazhivat' za det'mi 24/7, ya nichego provit ne imeyu i dlya menya eto ne smeshno. Poproshu tebya s uvazheniem otnositsya k moemu vskusu-stilyu-predpochetaniyam.

Govorish ya pro Islam malo znayu, eto takie kak ty, tol'ko nachavshie izuchat' Islam, prochitav paru osnovnyh principov Islama delayut vyvody chto yakoby vse musulmany dolzhny zhit' v skuke i t.d. Ty pogruzhajsya nizhe.. chitaj bol'she, Bog ne lyubit teh kto iz svoj zhizni nichego interestnogo ne delaet; Bog ne lyubit teh kto celymi dnyami bezdel'nichaet; Bog ne lyubit teh kto ozhidaet bistroj smerti v nadezhde popast' v raj; i v konce koncov Bog ne lyubit teh kto ne lyubit svoyu zhizn' - a imenno teh kto ne zhivet v radosti. Nu vot bratok, hodit' i razvlekatsya eto lyubit' svoyu zhizn', hotya dlya tebya eto mozhet byt' "ochagi anarhii i gryazi." Vot tak vot!

[Administrator]

kstati v finlandiyi toje mujchini i jenshini v meste prilichni otdihayut v bane.
nu absolyutno golami eta u nih norma takaya.
tam nichego takoga plohoga ne proishodit prosta prihodyat sidyat v saune i uhodyat .kstati eto toje mojna nazvat prilichnoy mestechkoy.

[MEIN_KAMPF]

Hmmm.....

Vi MNOGOBOJNIZ V JENI NE BERITE,
Dokole ne uveruyut oni,
Rabinya chto uverovala (v BOga),
Vam luchshe mnogbojnici -jeni
Hotya vtoraya vas prel'shaet bol'she.
ZA MNOGOBOJCEV (docherey) svoih ne vidavayte,
Dokole ne uveruyut oni...
...vas mnogobojci v Ad zovut,
Gospod' je v sadu Raya...
Surah 2:221


Iz chego delaem vivod, chto Hinduistov, Budhistov, Chrisitans (most of them), Jews (some of them, tak kak mnogie iz nih davno otoshli ot veri v Boga) v jeni brat' nel'zya, tak je kak i vidovat' svoih docherey.
Surah 5:5 govorit chto mojno brat' v jeni iz lyudey Pisaniya(jews,christian), no s ODNIM USLOVIEM chto oni primut ISLAM.
Pro ateistov nichego, kak ya ponyal ne skazano, tak kak vse ayati kasayutsya lyudey.(hotya ih mojno otnesti i k mnogobojnikam, naverno Allah(SWT) knows better.)
Eto s musul'manskoy tochki zreniya.

kto mne skajet chto eto takoe?

Ya by hotel chto by moya zhena chitala 5 raz namaz, no i v tozhe vremya hodila so mnoj na diskoteki ..

Ya obrashayus' k musul'manam?
KUFR. KUFR. KUFR. Daje ne hochu komentirovat'...esli tol'ko kto poprosit...Chitaem dal'she, prosto shedevr!!! Obyazatel'no pokaju druzyam...

(ne hochu konservativnuyu zhenu s tolstoj popoj :haha: :) uhazhivala za soboj i t.d... ..

Mdeeee....na shet "tolstoy..." nu i mnenie je u vas o jenshinah, yavno vi ne chasto videte moih (nashih) sester musul'manok...Teper' kogda uviju devushku s "tolstoy..." budu znat' ona "konservativnaya".
"Uhajivala za soboy"...elementarnoe ne znanie religii, ne znanie togo kak sil'no islam udelyayet vnimaniye "uhajivaniyu za soboy". Odno drugomu ne meshaet...


Ty ochen' protivorechish Musul'manskim principam, hotya i podpisovaeshsya pod ochen' religioznogo cheloveka.


Obrashaetsya k Mujreem!!!
Wuahahahaha , smotrite kakie mi zamechanie delaem...WUAHAHAHAHA

Chitaem dal'she!!!

Chego nikogda ne vstrechali, sovremennyh musul'manok? Eh mnogoe teryaete!! haha

My husband is a Muslim (albeit a MODERATE one)


Kogda chitayu takuyu chepuhu, u menya vsegda voznikaet vopros, kto je oni takie moderate/sovremennie i td muslims? Kak ya ponimayu eto te kto skajem rodilsya musulmaninom(koy), no vsya religiya im ne v kayf, ponimaete li trudno..., a otkazat'sya ot etoy religii ne mogut\boyatsya rodstvenikov i td...tak vot kajdiy nahodit dlya sebya otmazki...
Uvajaemie otkroyte Quran, i chitayte...chto-to ya nigde ne nashel takogo virojeniya kak MOderate/sovremenniy muslim...Viju chto disbelievers bivayut raznogo vida. Pokajite mne gde napisano chto musul'mane mogut bit' moderate ili ne moderate? Takogo ne napisano NIGDE!!!!

THe best speech is the speech of Allah and the best quidence is the guidence of Muhammad(PBUH). THE WORST of all matters are the newly INVENTED , every newly invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is misguidence.
(Sahih MUslim)

esli interesno to mojesh prochitat' moy post v razdele "Is Jesus God", na shet znacheniya slova 'MUSLIM'.


His religion was never an issue for me


"His RELIGION",
v Qurane islam podrazumevaetsya pod arabskim slovom "DEEN"- tak kak mnogie yaziki mira ne takie bogatie kak arabskiy, to slovo 'DEEN' na mnogie yaziki mira pereveli kak 'Religiya', na samom dele eto slovo imeet namnogo bol'shoe znachenie, "DEEN" eto, ne prosto poklonenie Bogu,(to chto obichno podrazumevaetsya, pod slovom religiya) no i, the way you live, the way you dress, the way you speak...tak chto esli bi on bil ne "MODERATE MUSLIM" ego "DEEN" bill bi a BIG ISSUE FOR YOU!!
Potomu chto... Chitayte Surah 2:221 (nachalo moego posta). NO Vi ateistka, etim vsyo skazano...pro svoe otnoshenie k ateistam ya uje pisal v razdele "IS JESUS GOD".

Does that guy work? Hard to imagine a gainfully employed person taking 5 breaks from work every day. Hard enough to find time to grab a bite at lunch.

Bez komentariev, ateistam nas ne ponyat'...ne tol'ko 5 raz v den' no esho i noch'yu vstaem chtob dopolnite'no pomolitsya.


What is so funny about it? ... why not it's possible pray and go to nightclubs during weekends.
I actually know so many girls which they do BOTH. And they do it perfectly well.

Uvajaemaya Mona Lisa,(bez ironii), tak kak mne lichno nravyatsya mnogie iz vashih postov, i VI v tu je step'... PLEASSSSSEEEEEEEEE...
POnimaete ya znayu odnogo Sodomita(PEDIKA-GAY) iz uzbekistana,-""MODERATE" muslim,
znayu Alkogolika-"MoDERATE" muslim, Nu razve eto pravil'no? No kogda je musul'mane nachnut izuchat' svoyu religiyu? Oh....

uzbekistan edinstvenaya strana gde VODKA(Gomosexualizm,narkomaniya,prostituciya i td) i ISLAM dopolnyayut drug druga!

...Dlya menya vse diskoteki eto ochagi anarhii i gryazi.
diskoyeyki i nochniye klubi eto ne dlay musimanskogo obshestvo...
...a tvoya idea naschet jenhi kto delayet 5 times namaz i poseshyet
diskoteyki eto prosto smeshno uj pover mne eto ochen smeshno.
ti naverno poymesh menya koga ti v destvitelnosti poymesh islam
i budesh delat namaz...



razreshite mne pojat' vam ruku....

Nu ladno poka vse...ot nekotorih polzovateley foruma jdu oskorbleniya v svoy adres...Nu che tam bilo "fanatik, shakal, etc..."

[WASP]

Mein-Kampf,

Idiot.. prochti sperva moj poslednyj posting (do etogo)... a ludshe derzhi svoe mnenie pri sebe, kogda delo kasaetsya moih postingov. Ty chelovek nizkij - a ya ne nuzhdayus' v mneniyah opushennyh. Derzhis' ot moih postingov po dalshe, sdelaj odolzhenie!

Otpuskayu tebya na odin uroven' nizhe,

TT

[WASP]

kstati v finlandiyi toje mujchini i jenshini v meste prilichni otdihayut v bane.
nu absolyutno golami eta u nih norma takaya.
tam nichego takoga plohoga ne proishodit prosta prihodyat sidyat v saune i uhodyat .kstati eto toje mojna nazvat prilichnoy mestechkoy.

Nu teper' dva varianta naivnost'i i degenrativnost' otpodayut. Ostaetsya - isporchennyj. Ty ne otvetil na moi voprosy - teper' oni mne ne nuzhny! Udachi

TT

[Iqra]

Mein-Kampf,

Idiot.. prochti sperva moj poslednyj posting (do etogo)... a ludshe derzhi svoe mnenie pri sebe, kogda delo kasaetsya moih postingov. Ty chelovek nizkij - a ya ne nuzhdayus' v mneniyah opushennyh. Derzhis' ot moih postingov po dalshe, sdelaj odolzhenie!

Otpuskayu tebya na odin uroven' nizhe,

TT

TT.. Was't that your post ???

That's how it goes.. when they are confronted with the questions they are incapable of answering they shy awaaayy from the thread.... Where is that wise guy Gomer.. where are those "dogs" Mein Kempfs fascists.. where are those angels??? Where?? God bless you all!

We are confronted and you got your answer.. But you know what? I've noticed all you can do is swear and that's it... Hmm Izvenite konechno, at least stay quiet if there is nothing else to say ;) .. I'm sorry but it just going waaay long... :)



Mein_Kampf... Alhamdulillah..U menya Odni Chuvstvo voshisheniya...

wassalam

[WASP]

Iqra,

you seem to be confused! I would suggest go and read my respones to "normal" people. Besides, all I said is "I don't care about you." Do I, at least, have right for that? About swearing thing.. ah well, can't help it.

TT

[WASP]

Mein_Kampf... Alhamdulillah..U menya Odni Chuvstvo voshisheniya...

Oh now I see.. nevermind! :D "I am a bad bad bad boy! I am so sorry! :rolleyes: " :shock: :P :D

[MEIN_KAMPF]

Mein-Kampf,

Idiot.. prochti sperva moj poslednyj posting (do etogo)... a ludshe derzhi svoe mnenie pri sebe, kogda delo kasaetsya moih postingov.

TT, osoznaesh li Ti ,chto mi ne u tebya DOMA, i ne v TVOEY KOMNATE,
i u tebya net nikakogo prava zatikat' mne rot. Ponimaesh mi vse zdes' na netral'noy teritorii, v gostyah u Moderatorov, administratorov, teh kto soderjit etot forum. Esli ya chto-to napisal ne tak, to to'lko oni imeyut prava sdelat' mne zamechaniya, i tem bolee zakrit' mne rot, ili prosit' o chem libo. I ya vsegda uvajitel'no otnoshus' k etim lyudyam, formula prosta-
MI GOSTI- Oni hozyayeva.
Tak chto odoljenie ya tebe nikakogo delat' ne budu.

"Whoever rebuffs an innovator, Allah fills his heart with faith and a sence of security. Whoever disgraces a person of innovation, Allah secures him form the Great Terror"
(at-Tirmidhi)

a ti kak ya ponyal tyol'ko etim(alll kind of Innovations, kuffr,..) zdes' i zanimeshsya, prochti svoi Posti...

[WASP]

Mein Kampf,

net ty ne ponyal, kak i vprochem mne obyasnili. Nado obhodit'.. vokrug, prosto ignorirovat'.. ponimaesh? Ne nado chitat' moi posty, ya tebe ne zatykayu rot.. a proshu sdelat' mne odolzhenie. Chto ne ponyatno? Nu mne obyasnili chto s toboj sporit' bez tolku, i to chto tebe chto libo obyasnit' eto vse ravno chto ishaku nauchit' tancevat' break-dance ili (privozhu neskolko primerov, tak chto by ty ponyal) dostuchatsya do nebes t.d. Nu vot obyasnyayu na tvoem urovne, kogda vidish' chto avtor postinga yavlyaetsya TT - ne chitat'. Teper' ponyal?? Net? Gospodi a ya po drugomu ne umeyu obyasnyat'.. lyudi pomogite aa! Obyasnite cheloveku chto na moi posty emu ne obyazatelno otvechat', a ludshe voobsche ih ne chitat'. Hotya.. da kritikuj sebe na zdarov'e esli tebe etogo hochetsya!! Elki palki, chto ya teryayu?? Nu vot, MAIN pozhalujsta.. kritikuj vse moi posty, Boga radi!!

Otpustil na uroven' nizhe (stat: uzhe na negativnuyu),

TT

[SmIlIk]

TT just tssssssssssss :) ignoring is the best answer to all questions..

[WASP]

Uuh.. he got banned? Ah well, he can't talk now, can't he? :D

[Administrator]

kstati v finlandiyi toje mujchini i jenshini v meste prilichni otdihayut v bane.
nu absolyutno golami eta u nih norma takaya.
tam nichego takoga plohoga ne proishodit prosta prihodyat sidyat v saune i uhodyat .kstati eto toje mojna nazvat prilichnoy mestechkoy.

Nu teper' dva varianta naivnost'i i degenrativnost' otpodayut. Ostaetsya - isporchennyj. Ty ne otvetil na moi voprosy - teper' oni mne ne nuzhny! Udachi

TT
ponemayete li mnogo uvajayemiy
kogda ya bil v fine s nemstami.(nu rebyta otlicniye i esho para finov).nu karoche poshli v banyu....
prosta znayete jivya tam 8 dney(eto do togo kogda ya finskuyu banyu perviiy i posledniy raz) ya i ptkogo ne slishal shto u nih na bane takoye tvoritsa!vi hod predstavlyayte shto eto tokoye kogda mujiki i jenshihi golami v odnom mesto sidyat..?!!
Znayte pochemu nekto etogo ne govoril potomu eto u nih norma takaya (default). Nu yesli smotret s drugoy storoni tuda idut prichliniye lyudi u uhodyat .nechego takoga gruppavoga bezabraziye i bit ne mojet prostan takaya u nih banya.
nu vod pridyot den kogda musilmanka ili muslim chitayush 5 raza namaz chashe stanet poseshat takiye prilichniyi mesta.
TT ti soglasilsa bi yesli tvoya jena poseshala takiye bani..ved ne boysa tam prilichniye lyudi prosta prihodyat otdihayut ochisatyutsa i damoy idut..

[Comendante_CHE]

Uuh.. he got banned? Ah well, he can't talk now, can't he? :D

Rano raduyetes',....

A esli bi tebe ban sdelali ya bi naverno ne radovalsya...potomu chto nichego zdes' horoshego netu, segodnya na menya bez prichini ban postavyat a zavtra na tebya...kogda beda prishla k tvoemu sosedu ne raduysya , tak kak ti mojesh stat' sleduyushim. Staraya poslovica.
MEIN KAMPF

[SoniTa]

namza ochishayet dushu kogda ya kajdiraz delayu.etogo ya nemogu obesnet eto moyo lichno dushevnaya chustvo.eto kak toje narkotiki.ya ne lgu.
верим - верим, тем более великий классик сказал "религия - опиум для народа". Наркоманы тоже готовы ради опиума оскорбить, убить и отойти от элементарных ценностей - доброты, любви, уважения, сострадания. Зачем наркоману любимая девушка - у него же есть его любимый опий, ну разве что она будет разделять это его увлечение... Поэтому я не хочу замуж за наркомана, который 5 раз в день будет принимать свою дозу, а во время ломки - после того как почувствует себя праведником будет обвинять меня в существующих и не существующих грехах. Я имею право на свои ошибки и на свои грехи, и этого права у меня никто не отнимет.
Cheers... :twisted:

[WASP]

Comendante_CHE,

Net net.. nu opyat' vernulsya. Pomnish pravila No.1? Avtor TT - ne chitat'. Ponyal? - Net?

[Mona Lisa]

Comendante_CHE aka Main Kempf,POnimaete ya znayu odnogo Sodomita(PEDIKA-GAY) iz uzbekistana,-""MODERATE" muslim,
znayu Alkogolika-"MoDERATE" muslim, Nu razve eto pravil'no? No kogda je musul'mane nachnut izuchat' svoyu religiyu? Oh....

uzbekistan edinstvenaya strana gde VODKA(Gomosexualizm,narkomaniya,prostituciya i td) i ISLAM dopolnyayut drug druga!

1. It is not you who makes the judgment or decide right from wrong.
2. Our eyes could watch the same thing but they see differently (hope you understand what I mean)
3. Someone who knows his/her religion will know what to do and how to act. That is why I told that they (girls I've mentioned) do both perfectly well ( at least what I percieve to be perfect)
4. Stereotyping isn't always helpful. If you think nightclubs/cafes/restaurants are bad places or person who spends time there is a bad person then my friend you're making some mistake. Again concider (2).

Sincerely, ML

[Comendante_CHE]

otvetil bi shaz...no CENZURA ne pizvolyayet, bol'she ne privodim ni Qurana ne Hadiths. A to Vovchikov mnogo stalo...tak govoryat...I kstati

"1. It is not you who makes the judgment or decide right from wrong. "

Razve ya kogo-nibud' osujdal????? esho raz prochitayte moi posti, tol'ko vnimatel'no....
nu ladno udalyayus'... spasibo sovetam Black :)
Mein KAMPF

[Black]

Ppl, we are getting out off topic.
And, pls Brother MEIN_KAMPF do not let your emotions out. Prophet S.A.W. told "The strongest amongst you is who can control himself when he gets angry ". I don't say that one should not get angry, because it is impossible-we are human beings, not woods or metals, we have emotions, anger and etc. And a true muslim gets angry when somebody insults his religion, his prophet s.a.w., kills his innocent brothers and sisters and etc. That is obvious, a muslim can not be happy for that. But, at the same time we should not let our emotions, our anger take control of us.
I understand that nowadays it is very easy to accuse muslims on something. Even in this forum, our dear muslim borthers and sisters accuse others very easily, without any proof, on terrorism and etc. If you speak on Qur'an or Hadis, you are wahhabi, if you speak to leave the bid'ah, they say you are terrorist. Yet some of them can not distinguish between Ayat and hadis, if you ask them who is wahhabi or what is Al-Qaeda they can not answer properly. So what I mean is that, there is no need to get angry or upset if they call you with the different names "wahhabi, fundamentalist, etc...". These ppl can only speak what they hear from TV and media. They want Islam without Qur'an and Hadis. Yet they cry "GOD, GOD, GOD..." . But if one mentions a single ayat from Qur'an, words of that GOD Whom they cry about, they start to curse you as a man who is in trance. If you mention something from Islam, they start to blame you in fundamentalism as if you created Islam, as if it is you who wrote the Qur'an. And yet they claim to be muslim. Because they like to be "moderate"- the nick by which the unbelivers call weak-minded muslims, who do follow them. If you follow them you are "moderate" muslim, you are "progressive" muslim, but as soon as you start judging the things according to Islam, you are "fundamentalist, extremist, etc..." .
It is as if saying "you can be a straight man, but you have to have sex with a man, you have to dress like a woman!" You say "But I am not a gay, I am a straight man, I want to have sex with a woman, not with a man, I want to dress like a man!". They reply "In this case you are fundamentalist, extremist, because you do not follow our way". This is an example. What I mean here, unfortunately, some muslims today want to be a muslim without Islam. If somebody reminds them about Islam, his is accepted as "against moderate, progressive muslims". That's why my dear Brother MEIN_KAMPF there is no need to be sorry for them. Everybody chooses his/her own way. Do not wonder if somebody accuses you on something which you never meant or said. It is just usual thing today.
Saying that, what we face today is nothing compare to what faced Rasulillah S.A.W. and sahabas r.a. Remember how many times mushrikun of Makkah mocked and insulted Pasulillah S.A.W. and his companions, called them with every bad name. That's why let's be patient and improve ourselves. As Allah swt says: "I do not improve the condition of your society, unless you do not improve yourselves" . At the end of the day, we will be responsible for ourselves, not for anybody else! Let's learn more in Islam and implement them to our lifes!
Sorry going out off the topic. I just wanted to remind that there is no need to get emotional if somebody is not agree with you. Everybody has a right to have his/her opinion (though no one has a right accuse others or insulting others).
Let's keep on topic!

[lips]

The cross-religious marriage can change the children's religion. So if you are a Muslim then you wouldn't want your children to change his religion. Which group are most Uzbek muslims, mostly sunnis (sunnah wal jammah), shias or some other sect? In any marriage the religious value does play an important part in the children's future of values.

[UzbekGirlie]

I think in today's day and age it is okay to have a cross religious marriage... However, the key is to let the kid make their own decision as to what religion s/he wants to follow. I dont see a problem as long as the couple understands that they have to raise their child nuetral to both religions. :D

[Sagittarius]

i dont think so. My children will be muslim

[Demir Kağan]

I don't care about the religion. She may even be an atheist, but she must be a Turk/ic.

[Abu Hurayra]

I think in today's day and age it is okay to have a cross religious marriage... However, the key is to let the kid make their own decision as to what religion s/he wants to follow. I dont see a problem as long as the couple understands that they have to raise their child nuetral to both religions. :D
By doing this you are already forcing your child to go with the path of Ateism or Godlessnes. Indeed loving parents must care of their children. Nowadays enrironment has become very immoral and dangerous. Whereever you look you see immoral matters (drinks, drugs, bit**es, not official bit**es-half naked female creatures).
For instance, If you do not want your child to be an Alcoholic, you must prohibit your child to do so. If you explain teenager only material disadvantages of this alchol (najas labeled as sh*t in Islam). One day he/ she will avoid this than he/she will want to try it secretly. And than he/she will get used to. One might say that, Cmon, Its not harmfull to try with norm.
We as Muslims avoid even one couple of this najas, while Allah prohibited us to do so. Thus its the mother of all crimes (adultory, murdery, robbery etc)
So you need to explain this Teenager from his childhood that there exists One Allmighty Creator, Who created all beings. Who sees everyone of us. Who knows about everything everydeed we do. But firstyou must be sure that yourself do not have such habits, and you must be sure that you believe in the Creator-Allah. Than this understanding will automatically controll your childs behavor too. Your child will than think, Hey let me stop it, let me not do it, "OK my PARENTS are not here but Allah is watching me. One day he will ask me about my deeds? I have to be reponsible of what I am doing, Let me not get fooled by SATAN, the enemy of humanbeinbg who always advices me BAD-Immoral behavor and shows me as if those dirty deeds were beautiful"
Or if you do not want your child to turn to Prostitute, You must expain her/him first that it was immoral behavor that will lead to fire. There are thousands of such kind of matters that you must restrict and control your child if you ofcourse want him to grow up PURE Personality. In this case you will need a guidance, that shows you the right and wrong.
You will need a guidance!, If you know yourself as a normal thinking person, You learn first your religion with original sources. If you have no religion just examine existing religions with original sources. As you know some sources have different versions of book. People did whatever they want with those books. They changed them, removed replaced some verses and etc.For example like Old book new Book etc. If you look carefully you will find out that The book of Muslims is Unique, and nothing even one letter of this holy book has not been changed or replaced (It is not going to be changed forever) .

The problem now is that most Uzbeks who were born in Muslim families, Have no opinion about their Religion. And when this kind of people go abroud they get more influenced by those Materialistic ideologies that denies the existance of Allah. Some of them accept other religions, some of them as here in forum accept godlessness and etc.

Recently I met with Mason Professor from USA. He openly told that he was MASON and that they were dealing with "charity" and etc. Somebody asked him, The requirements to be accepted in this group he said you must be believer, Ateists-GODDLESS people we do not need. They are Ignorant and USELESS. Look even this MASONs with their missleading propaganda wanting the Believer...

whatever, I think ebough was said here...
respectfully ...

[Pinkie]

I think in today's day and age it is okay to have a cross religious marriage... However, the key is to let the kid make their own decision as to what religion s/he wants to follow. I dont see a problem as long as the couple understands that they have to raise their child nuetral to both religions. :D
If the husband and wife are not religious what so ever (to the point where they don't practice their religions or believe in anything) then there is not much to argue about. But, if one is coming from a strong background where he/she and the family are very religious then there will be problems. And when kids are involved, the husband wants to raise the kids to be this religion and then the wife wants them to be that religion (or they want their children to follow their "care free" way of life).

[smilinguzbekgal]

I think in today's day and age it is okay to have a cross religious marriage... However, the key is to let the kid make their own decision as to what religion s/he wants to follow. I dont see a problem as long as the couple understands that they have to raise their child nuetral to both religions. :D

Assalamu alekum w rahmatullahi w barakatuh!
Happy eid for all of you once again!

Let me express my opinion regarding the topic.
I have few friends,the results of so called cross religious couples, and they were so unhappy with themselves in the sense they did not feel any true belonging to this or that community. They were muslim/hindu,muslim/christian mixtures. They used to participate in both sides rituals but they knew nothing about them properly.
And my that friend who was raised in muslim hindu union told me she would marry a muslim and would make her kids muslims so that they wont be confused as her. and she did it, she married wiht a muslim and living happy no kids as yet.
İ can bring up similar examples, but what i am trying to say that these kids are really unhappy,and feel' ne ryba ne myaso' , it must be so awful to feel that way.As parents wish nothing but best for kids ,they must think about it carefully and in details.
Regards,

[smilinguzbekgal]

верим - верим, тем более великий классик сказал "религия - опиум для народа". Наркоманы тоже готовы ради опиума оскорбить, убить и отойти от элементарных ценностей - доброты, любви, уважения, сострадания. Зачем наркоману любимая девушка - у него же есть его любимый опий, ну разве что она будет разделять это его увлечение... Поэтому я не хочу замуж за наркомана, который 5 раз в день будет принимать свою дозу, а во время ломки - после того как почувствует себя праведником будет обвинять меня в существующих и не существующих грехах. Я имею право на свои ошибки и на свои грехи, и этого права у меня никто не отнимет.
Cheers... :twisted:

i am sorry to say it but could not resist: WHAT A STUPİD POST!!!!!

[infolife]

If the husband and wife are not religious what so ever (to the point where they don't practice their religions or believe in anything) then there is not much to argue about. But, if one is coming from a strong background where he/she and the family are very religious then there will be problems. And when kids are involved, the husband wants to raise the kids to be this religion and then the wife wants them to be that religion (or they want their children to follow their "care free" way of life).

Exactly!!!
I wd nt worry at all about those who don't practise their religion. So far it doesn't matter to them what's a big deal?? hindu can marry muslim, muslim can marry christian, no problem.
As for those who do practise the religion, they wouldn't marry someone from another religion. Cos, they understand that, the religion is the essense of life and it would be almost impossible to live with a person whose understanding is based in another religion or way of life.