State of Muslim Lands!

[AbdurRahman]

As Salaamu 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

I read in some posts in this forum very strange statement:
THERE IS NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY ON EARTH RIGHT NOW.

I dont know what is the intend behind this statement. That is why I wrote
the following in order to clarify this issue in more detail inshaAllaah by bearing in mind the statement of Allaah in the Qur'aan:

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh and be just witnesses

and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be

just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Well*

Acquainted with what you do. (Al-Ma'idah 5:8)




State of Muslim land in general from the point of view of rule and the affairs of da'wah:

There is great diversity between the Muslim land from the point of view of Sharee'ah rule, and the extent and scope of da'wah to Tawheed and the
Sunnah upon the Prophetic Methodology.

We differentiate between them on the basis of the strength and maturity of the da'wah to Tawheed and the Sunnah, and the existence of Sharee'ah Laws, and the presense of those who rule by them, either in smaller or greater amounts(bearing in mind that some of the leaders have been
declared apostate by our *Ulamaa, such as Qadafi, Saddaam).
We differentiate between all of them to such an extent that we arrive at
numereous categories of countries, in which different conditions, observations and analysis apply. We do not treat Syria like Saudi Arabia.Nor Egypt like Kuwait.Nor Turkey to the Emirates and nor LIbya to Pakistan. It is important that we make distinction between of of them in this way.So each of the Muslim Lands have differing degrees and elements of Tawheed, Sunnah, Sharee'ah rule, Shirk, Bid'ah, Secularism,Communism,Socialism and so on. With some being closer to Tawheed and the Sunnah with aspects of Sharee'ah rule and others being further away from that.

We do not treat them all in the same manner,and we see that in some of these lands, we see the most stubborn and obstinate opposition to Islaam
and its adherents, whereas in other countries we see elements of tyranny
and oppression, which are not necessarily driven by hatred or aversion to Islaam, in princinple, but other factors involving sin(fisq) and oppression(dhulm) and the likes.
and Ahlus Sunnah are the most most just of people, and so they treat what occurs of fisq(sinfulness) as fisq, and what occurs of dhulm, as dhulm,
and what occurs of kufr as kufr - in opposition to the straying, wandering, sentimentalist scavenders, who prey upon the ignorance and emotions of people, and lead them to believe that what occurs of fisq and dhulm is actually kufr.


And on this basis, da'wah that is required in each country varies.

Further, in most of these countries there are 'activist' movements who attempt, either by way of plotting revolutions, or by going through the emocratic process, by way of 'islamic parties', attempt to establish the rule of Allaah in that land! In these very same countries, the land is rife with Major Shirk,with tombs,mausoleums, saint worship and the likes.These people are but advancing to a mirage, thinking they can achieve what they will never achieve-unless they traverse upon the Prophetic Methodology in calling to Allaah.

Likewise there are those whose sole concern is to demonstrate the kufr of
some of the leading figureheads in goverment of each country, or to emonstrate the kufr of the state, and then to present this to the people, in order to mobilise them towards bloody revolutions, or with organised overthrows, or 'shurocratic activity'(involment in parlamentary elections) and the likes. and All of this is error and misguidance and is far removed from the Prophetic Methodology in the rectification of societies and nations.

So in short , the Muslim Lands vary greatly, but what is required in all of them is the call to Tawheed and Sunnah and eradication of the affairs of major Shirk and the affairs of Innovation, and encouraging the people upon Birr and Taqwaa thereafter and striving in that so that the assistance and the promise made by Allaah is brought to realisation. This is the only basis of rectification. As for the foreign and alien ways and methodologies, then they are doomed to fail, and only lead to further destruction.
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and Allaah knows best

wassalaamu alaikum
AbdurRahman.

[Joha]

:salam:

The above centence belongs to me. Under the terms "THERE IS NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY ON EARTH" I mean there is no Country where only the Law of Allah has been established, Saudi Arabia, Kuweit, UAE .... I dont count these countries as Islamic Country. We should differentiate between Muslim Land and Islamic country under the terms that Muslim Land is the land which belongs to the people who are muslim, Islamic Country is the country whose Laws area based upon Quran and Sunnah. And Allah swt Knows The Best.

[AbdurRahman]

As Salaamu 'Alaikum wa rahmatullah

Yes i understood what u meant and I was talking about the same issue.

I repeat the above ayah:

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh and be just witnesses

and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be

just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Well*

Acquainted with what you do. (Al-Ma'idah 5:8)



and saying:"THERE IS NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY ON EARTH RIGHT NOW. " is not justice. Because:

each of the Muslim Lands(Islamic countries) have differing degrees and elements of Tawheed, Sunnah, Sharee'ah rule, Shirk, Bid'ah, Secularism,Communism,Socialism and so on. With some being closer to Tawheed and the Sunnah with aspects of Sharee'ah rule and others being further away from that.

And


Ahlus Sunnah are the most most just of people, and so they treat what occurs of fisq(sinfulness) as fisq, and what occurs of dhulm, as dhulm, and what occurs of kufr as kufr - in opposition to the straying, wandering, sentimentalist scavenders, who prey upon the ignorance and emotions of people, and lead them to believe that what occurs of fisq and dhulm is actually kufr.



"THERE IS NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY ON EARTH RIGHT NOW. " –this statement would make everything kufr. But in reality in some Islamic countries the Law of Allaah is established to a certain degree, in some others it is not established. For example, let us take Saudi Arabia:
1. Do they not establish Tawheed? Can we find a single shrine or place of shirk in Saudi? Alhamdulillah Saudi Arabia do establish Tawheed and is free from shirk. Is this not establishing Law of Allaah? Is this unIslamic?
2. What happens when there is a call to prayer in Saudi? Do people go to mosques and pray 5 daily prayers? Yes they do. So Is establishing prayer not part of establishing Law of Allaah? Is it unIslamic?
3. How much Saudi Arabia put efforts to spread Islaam? Do they fund thousands of students from around the world in order to study in Islamic universities like Madina, Ummul Qura etc.. free of charge? Is this not establishing Law of Allaah? Is this unIslamic?
4. How many authentic Islamic books do Saudi Arabia distribute around the world? Let us go to our local masjid and open the Quraan and see where it is from. Is this not establishing Law of Allaah? Is this unIslamic?
5. Do Saudi Arabia punish criminals, robbers, people who commit zina, drug dealers etc.. according to Islamic Law? Yes they do it openly in front of people. Is this not establishing Law of Allaah? Is this unIslamic?

These are just some examples.

"THERE IS NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY ON EARTH RIGHT NOW. " – would mean that there is no place on earth where Allaah's Law is established . This is incorrect as we can see from above examples. InshaAllaah I will post fatwa by Shaykh, Al 'Allaamah Salih Al Fawzaan hafidhahullah about this issue.

People of khawarij like Ibn Ladin and his like utter statements similar to this or even worse than that. By these statements they make takfeer of Muslim state and muslims living inside the state and that is why they allow shedding blood in the muslim country. Allahummusta'an.

Let us establish Islamic state in ourselves, in our hearts and in our families first then we can see the good result insha'Allaah.

May Allaah correct affairs of Muslims and help Islamic countries to establish Islaam.

And Allaah knows best.

Wassalaamu 'alaikum
AbdurRahman

[Joha]

:salam:

I think it would be sufficient just to point out a sentence from previous post.


... I mean there is no Country where only the Law of Allah has been established ... And Allah swt Knows The Best.

[AbdurRahman]

Yes there is no country where only Allaah's Law is established fully and perfectly. However this does not mean there is no Islamic country on the earth right now. Alhamdulillah, Saudi Arabia, UAE and other countries are Islamic because they do establish law of Allaah to a certain degree. May Allaah correct them and help them to establish Islamic law.

[tarafdor]

Assalomu alaykum,
I do support that there's no perfect Islamic country in it's original meaning. There's only one religious government and it's Israel, am I wrong? Even in Kneset they wear their religious caps, all their policy and ideology is based on Torah. And what Torah says" I (God) promised for you and for your children all these lands, and you're the only one to posess those lands", and what they're doing right now. I do appreciate S.Arabian efforts to spread Islam world-wide, but is it necessary to print on first page of Quran"this is the gift of His Excellency King Faysal and etc, too long to write his name. There should be ihlos, ther is no need to know the donater, do you think that in all Bible books there is somebody's name, just city's name and that's all. Actually this is the gift of the Almighty Allah stw. If you look to the dress material of every Saudi government official, at least it cost 1000$, while neighbours suffer from starvation. And one more, that place is the symbol of Islam, holy place for every moslem, so why there was a need for tariqat like Wahabiya. You have everything nearby. I'm silent when people far from this region inventing new streams, because of illiteracy. It was S.Arabia and Quvayt who forced and motivated Iraq to wage against Iran, otherwise Iroq was would-be superpower like USA today. And Saddam in his yesterday's court hearing told"those dog like Kuwaytes". So we're preaching Islam but to keep our interests cooperating with infidels killing our brothers. Look everywhere, begining from Uzbekistan and ending with Morocco.
Believers, stay away from conjecture; acting upon some conjecture may lead to sin. Do not spy on one another or back-bite. Would any of you like to eat the disgusting dead flesh of your brother? Have fear of God; God accepts repentance and is All-merciful (49:12).

Ma assalama

[AbdurRahman]

Shaikh Salih Al-Fawzaan said:"The Saudi state every since it began has always aided the religion and its adherents. And it was not founded except upon this basis. And whatever it does at the moment in spreading material wealth to support Muslims in every place, setting up centres and mosques, sending du'at(to other countries), printing books-at the forefront of which is the Noble Qur'an-,opening centres of learning and faculties of knowledge, and its judging by the Islamic Shari'ah(Tahkeemuhaa lish-Sharee'at il-Islaamiyyah),and also setting up a separate body for enjoining the good and forbidding the evil in every city- then all of this is a clear and eveident proof of it's aid to Islaam and its adherents.And this is thorn(shajiyyun,lit.grievance,distress) in the throats of people of hypocrisy(Ahl un-Nifaq) and the people of evil and dissension(Shiqaq).And Allaah is the Aider of His Religion even if the pagans and the biased partisans may detest it..

And we do not say that this state is perfect from every single aspect and that it does not have any mistakes. Mistakes occur by every single person and we ask Allaah that He helps this state in correcting its mistakes. But if this person(who makes such a claim) was to look at his own self,he would find mistakes that would present his tongue from speaking about others and make him feel ashamed of looking at others"(Al-Ajwibah Al-Mufeedah) p.117

[AbdurRahman]

There is no country on the face of this earth whose population at large is upon Tawheed, on a collective level. In Saudi, aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah is taught in the schools, colleges,institutions and universities. There are no graves or grave worship, and no tombs or mausoleums and the affairs of innovation are not like the affairs of innovation in other countries such as Egypt or Syria or Pakistan or Afghanistan , Sudan and the likes. It is upon the aqeedah of Imaam Abu Haneefah, Imaam Malik, Imaam Ash –Shafee', Imaam Ahmad, Imaam Muslim, Imaam Al Bukhari and other imams of Ahlus Sunnah. It is not possible to compare any other country with Saudi from this perspective – and this is only denied by a partisan whose heart has been blackened with the evil effects of Innovation. And there is no doubt that the absence of such Shirk and Innovation, has brought great blessings to this country and great favours not bestowed upon other countries, in terms of wealth and security and sanctity.

Further, the Sharee'ah is established and the hudood are applied, and though there are deficiencies and shortcomings and the presense of non-Islamic laws, this does not negate the great goodness in this country. As for the rulers and the government, then the position towards them is a Sharee'ah position and the position of the Ulamaa of that country, the likes of Imaam Ibn Baaz, Imaam Ibn Uthaymeen(rahimahumullaah) and others, all of whom see obedience to the rulers and assisting them and advising them and enjoining the good and forbidding the evil- in the Sharee'ah manner- and maintaining the sanctity and security of the land by not creating civil disobedience and revolts and the likes. And as for the sinfulness or oppression of Rulers, then rulers have passed who were greater in their sinfulness and disobedience- and indeed there are those who imposed sayings of kufr upon the people, and butchered multitudes of the leading scholars for the sake of sayings of kufr – and alongside that, no one raised a hand against them, and likewise there were those who fell into drinking of alcohol, and fornication, and also slaughter of the Muslims(and even some of the Companions) and other such major sins and crimes and evils.

[AbdurRahman]

The Shaikh and Imaam, Abdul-Lateef bin Abdur-Rahmaan bin Hasan Aal Shaikh(rahimahullah)-said, in powerful words that uncover the confusing doubts in this topic and that refute the one who spreads them from amongst the ignoramuses:

…And all those people- those who were under trial – do not know that with the exception of Umar bin Abdul-Azeez and whoever Allaah willed from among the Banee Umayyah – great mishaps, insolence, taking up arms(against the people) and corruption occurred from most of those in charge(wullaat) of the people of Islaam from the time of Yazeed bin Mu'aawiyah (till the present). But along with that, the manner and behaviour of the notable scholars and mighty leaders with the rulers is well-known and renowned – they do not raise a hand against giving obedience in that which Allaah and His Messenger have commanded from among the legislated actions and obligatory duties of Islaam.

And I will give you an example- that of Al-Hajjaaj bin Yoosuf Ath-Thaqafee, and his affair is well known in the ummah – that of oppression, repression, excessiveness in spilling the blood (of the Muslims), desecration of the Sanctities of Allaah, the killing of whomever he killed amongst the notables of the ummah such as Sa'eed bin Jubair, the besieging of Ibn az-Zubair even though he had sought refuge in the Haram, and making lawful the sacred and sanctified, the killing of Ibn az-Zubair-even though Ibn az-Zubair had given obedience to him and the people of Makkah, Medinah,Yemen, and most of Iraq had given the pledge of allegiance to him(Ibn Az- Zubair) and Al-Hajjaaj was only deputy of Marwaan, and then of his son Abdul-Malik and none of the khulafaa'(successors) had given Marwaan a pledge and none of the influential people, those with power had given the pledge of allegiance to him. And along with all of this none of the People of Knowledge hesitated in obeying him and complying with him in that in which obedience is permissible from amongst the Pillars of Islaam and its obligations.

And Ibn 'Umar and whoever met Al-Hajjaaj were from amongst the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam), and they never contested with him and nor did they prevent obedience to him in that by which Islaam is established and by which Eemaan is perfected. And it is likewise for those who were also in the era of Al-Hajjaaj from among taa'b'ieen such as Ibn Al-Musayyib, Al-Hasan Al-Basree,Ibn Seereen,Ibraheem At-Taimee and those like them among the leaders of the ummah….


To continued insha'Allaah….

[AbdurRahman]

And the affair continued like this between the leading scholars of the ummah-they would enjoin obedience to Allaah and His Messenger and making jihad in His path along with every leader[imam] whether righteous or sinful, as is well known in the books of fundamental principles and beliefs of the religion.


And similarly, Banu Al-'Abbaas, they conquered the lands of Muslims forcefully, with the sword- and not one of the People of Knowledge and Religion aided them in that- and they killed hordes of people and many of the creation from among the Banu Umayyah, their leaders and their deputies. And they killed Ibn Hubairah, the ameer of Iraaq and they also killed Marwaan, the khaleefah- and it was reported that the murderers killed aroung eighty people from the Banu Umayyah in a single day – and then they placed their blankets above the corpses, sat upon them and then called for food and drink.

So along with all of that the conduct of the leading scholars – such as Al-'Awzaa'ee, Maalik, Al-Layth ibn Sa'd, 'Ataa bin Abee Rabaah – with those kings is not hidden from the one who has a share in knowledge such as Ahmad bin hanbal, Muhammad bin Ismaa'eel, Muhammad bin Idrees, Ahmad bin Nooh, Ishaaq bin Rahaawaih and their brothers… their occurred in their time what occurred from the kings of the great innovations and the denial of the Sifaat and they were called to [affirm] these things and were put to trial by them and whoever was killed, was killed such as Ahmad bin Nasr. But along with all of this it is not known that a single one of them raised his hand against obedience [to those kings] and that he saw fit to attack them…" Ad-Durar as –Sunniyyah fil Ajwibat un Najdiyyah(7/177-178).

[Akhee-Abdullah]

:bismillah :salam:

:jazak: ya akhee Abdurahman,

I completely agree with the points that you have mentioned. I wanted to post some more information in the hope that it will :insha: help to shed some light on the matter of "The State of the Muslim Lands"

The Humiliation of Muslims.

From Ibn 'Umar(radiyallahu 'anhuma) who said that Allah's Messanger :saws: said: When you take part in 'eenah (a transaction that involves usury, interest) transactions, take hold of tails of cows, become satisfied with cultivation and abandon Jihad, Allah will send humiliation upon you and He will not remove it until you return to your Deen.

Reported by Aboo Daawood (eng. trans. vol. 3, p.395, no.3455) and is reported by Ahmad (no.4825) and Aboo Umayyah at-tarsoose in "Musnad ibn Umar" (no. 22), the hadith is raised to the level of hasan by combination of thses two chains.

The State of affairs of the Ummah described in this hadeeth is "something that we are witnessing and its sighns are seen upon the Muslims, in that they have become slaves of the earth and of agriculture. Indeed this is apparent in every nation that is enslaved by earth, which has satisfied itself with agriculture, and it is jihaad in Islaam which is the prerequisite for success in the affairs- whether the slaves of Europe are pleased or not." (from a footnoteof Ahmad Shaakir to the Musnad (no. 4835)).

This humiliattion which the Ummah is suffering has produced a very grave effect which will ruin its people if they do not arouse from their slumber and awaken from their sleep- and this humiliation is Disagreement and Divergence .

The word Jihaad in this context is not the Jihaad "some" people usually understand, calling it a warfare. The word for "War" in arabic is "Harb", not "Jihaad". "Jihaad" means struggle, could be against one's nafs (unlawful beastial desires), could be a fight against injustice, the invaders of the Muslims lands and also could be a struggle of a Scholar of Islaam fighting the bida's and innovations, rather fighting against the innovations in religion is the best of the Jihads, for the one innovating did indeed try to corrupt the religion from within inside contrary to other enemies of Islam attacking from outside, that's why fighting against the bid'as in religion is considered of the utmost importance.

The "Jihaad" - the Bin Laden Corporation, the IMU and others are claiming is not a jihaad, in Islamic terms and conditions. But rather a revolt against the Muslim leaders which has been condemned in the deen of Islaam.

From Muslim: Book 020, Number 4524:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah :saws: said: It is obligatory for you to listen to the ruler and obey him in adversity and prosperity, in pleasure and displeasure, and even when another person is given (rather undue) preference over you.

Book 020, Number 4573:

It has been narrated on the authority of 'Auf b. Malik that the Messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him) said: The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, who invoke God's blessings upon you and you invoke His blessings upon them. And the worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you and whom you curse and who curse you. It was asked (by those present): Shouldn't we overthrow them with the help of the sword? He said: No, as long as they establish prayer among you. If you then find anything detestable in them. You should hate their administration, but do not withdraw yourselves from their obedience.

Book 020, Number 4554:

It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said:

Messenger of Allah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e.the days of jahiliyya or ignorance) and God brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said:Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after good time? He said: Yes. I said: How? Whereupon he said:

There will be leaders who will not be led by my guidance and who will not adopt my ways. There will be among them men who will have the hearts of devils in the bodies of human beings.I said: What should I do. Messenger of Allah, if I (happen) to live in that time? He replied: You will listen to the Amir and carry out his orders; even if your back is flogged and your wealth is snatched, you should listen and obey.

Disagreement and Divergence.

From 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood (radiyallahu 'amhuma) who said: Allah's Messanger :saws: drew a line for us, then he said,"This is Allah's Way." Then he drew lines to its right and its left, and said, "Thses are different ways, upon each of these ways is a devil calling to it." Then he recited: "And verily this is my Staight Path, so follow it, and do not folow other paths for they will separate you away from His Path.(Soorah al-An'am(6):153)" . This hadith was reported by at-Tayaalisee (no.244) and from him Ahmad (1/435,465) with a chain of narration that is of the level of hasan.

The hadeeth makes clear a very important matter which should be considered and reflected upon- and it is the disagreement within the Ummah concerning the Staright Prophetic path, which has led to the splitting of the Ummah.

The Splitting of The Ummah

From Anas ibn Malik (radiyallahu 'anhu) who said that Allah's Messanger :saws: said, "This Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Fire (of Hell) except one. "They asked," And what is that sect?" He said, "That which I and my Companions are upon today." (Reported by at-Tabaranee in al-Mujamus-Sagheer (no. 724).

This hadeeth has another chain of narration which supports it, it is reported by at- Tirmidhee (no. 2641) and al-Haakim (1/125). In summary the hadeeth is hasan due to its two chains.)

The splitting indicated in this hadeeth is a reality which has occurred, even a blind person would not deny it, nor a proud person refuse to believe it. The hadeeth itself contains an indication of the way to resolve this problem of sectarian splitting and that is clinging to that which the Prophet :saws: and his Companions were upon.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

The position of the Muslims regarding the crisis in Iraq...1

Shaykh Zayd ibn Muhammad ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee was asked:

"And the second question O Shaykh, it is: What is our position, or the position of the Muslims in general with regards to the fitnah that has occurred recently in Iraq in these days?"

The Shaykh responded:

"It is upon the Muslims to beseech Allaah the Mighty and Majestic so that He raises Islaam and the Muslims, so that He raises the Religion, and so that He raises the Magnificent Book, and so that He raises the purified Sunnah and so that He raises the status of knowledge and the Scholars. And so that He grants relief and a way out from every fitnah (trial, tribulation)".

The position of the Muslims regarding the crisis in Iraq...2

Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee was asked...

"O Shaykh what is the position of the Muslim from that which occurred in Iraq? And have you any advice for the Muslims in general and those living in the west specifically?"

The Shaykh responded:

"The reality is that this matter is saddening. And there is no power nor might except by Allaah. And the Muslims do not have any strength in their hands, and they do not have anything in their hands (at all). So there is nothing upon them except to supplicate for those weak ones who are being slaughtered. As for Saddaam Hussain, then he is a Socialist Ba'thist - and refuge is with Allaah and his creed is evil. However, he has harmed the Muslims, those who are being slaughtered for nothing they have done. So there is nothing upon them except to supplicate for them, and there is no doubt that supplication has its role (and effect), and Allaah, the Sublime and Exalted, is the one in whose Hands all the affairs lie."

The position of the Muslims regarding the crisis in Iraq...3

Bismillaahir-Rahmaanir-Raheem.

What is obligatory upon the Muslims is to make recourse to Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, and to ask Him to protect the Muslims and that He wards off the evil from them, and that suffices the Muslims against the evil of their enemies and their plots. Just as it is obligatory uopn the Muslims to return backto their Lord, and that their reflect upon their conditions and about what has led them to this humiliation.

And that every single individual returns back to check his own soul, and to check his adherence to his deen, and that he aids Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, as it relates to himself, so that Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic may aid him against his enemy, and this is a vital matter.

And it is not befitting that we occup the Muslims away from this mighty objective, which is checking the soul, and aiding Allaah the Mighty and Majestic in regards to one's soul, so that the aid of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, for the Ummah can be actualised.

Just as it is obligatory upon everyone to return back to the Scholars and to revolve around them, and to take whatever they direct towards, because they are the most knowledgeable of that by which Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, rectifies the Ummah, and they are most precise, most understanding and their directions of advice are better and safer.

And it is not permissible to aid the Kuffar in this matter, and as for the ruling concerning what has happened, then this is for the Scholars, and there is detail to his saying (i.e. the questioner's), "a nullifier from the nullifiers of Islaam, or not", because applying a nullifier to a specific individual has conditions that are necessarily required, and this matter returns back to verifying the base, origin (of the ruling), and explaining the condition of the person, so that a judgement can be passed upon him that is appropriate and befitting to his situation. And Allaah knows best.

Shaykh Sulaymaan ar-Ruhaylee

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Makkah Imam Takes US to Task on Iraq

The imam at the Grand Mosque in Makkah yesterday (Friday 9 April 2004) lambasted the United States and its allies in Iraq for double-speak.

"Although they claim they are the advocates of reform and freedom, they are in fact the forces of destruction and devastation," Sheikh Saud Al-Shuraim said in an apparent reference to the US-led occupation forces in Iraq.

Delivering his Friday sermon to thousands of faithful who packed the large mosque complex, the imam asked how missiles and machine guns could bring peace and freedom to the people of Palestine and Iraq. "They promise them a comfortable life built on torn bodies...They want us to believe that destruction is reform, killing is life, disorder is order and injustice is justice," he added.

The imam slammed the United States also for using its veto against UN Security Council resolutions condemning Israel's occupation of Palestine, contrasting the international outcry over the killing of four security contractors in Fallujah with the relative silence meeting Israeli actions in the occupied territories.

"How can they consider the killing of four individuals a major crime and ignore the killing of a whole nation?" Shuraim, one of the imams at the Grand Mosque, asked.

The imam said the Islamic world was passing through a difficult phase. "The Muslim nation finds no refuge from the injustice of the tyrant and international terrorism," he said.

Shaykh Rabee' bin Haadee al-Madkhalee speaks about the Attack on Iraq

From a cassette recording (26/1/1424H) of an answer of the Shaykh to a question concerning the crisis (of the Attack on Iraqi) – transcribed by Khalid adh-Dhafayree.

Question: There has been much questioning of the position of the "adherents to the way of the pious predecessors" towards this crisis, is it permissible to supplicate against the Disbelievers in the likes of these circumstances?

Response: Yes, it is permissible to make supplication against the Disbelievers in these circumstances and others. Supplication is made for their guidance, and supplication is made for their destruction when they do not seek guidance. So we ask Allaah that prevents the harm of the Disbelivers, especially in these circumstances, we see oppression and transgression, which exceeds the lowest limits [of what can be defined as] transgression and wrongdoing. So we ask Allaah that He turns their plot back upon them.

Man, as it is said, is a commodity, it is necessary that he gather something of the news. However, I hold that the youth should not be completely engrossed and waste their time in what does not benefit them, and which does not bring back any benefit to the Ummah. Because all they can do is just listen, then what do they do after that? So they take a part o f this news, and then call upon Allaah, the Blessed and Almighty, that He gives relief to the Muslims, and that He removes this affliction. And my advice in regard to this, to the Muslims in general and to [the people of] `Iraaq specifically, is that they return to the Book of Allaah and to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam), for by Allaah, there is no exit for them from these tribulations, trials, calamities and the transgression of the Disbelievers upon them, and by Allaah nothing will stand in the face of them, except that that they adhere to the Book of Allaah, and the Sunnah of His Messenger (`alayhi as-salaatu was salaam). And there is no exit for the Muslims from the continuous humiliation except when they are truthful in their aqeedah, and in their manners and in all of their actions. They are truthful with Allaah, they are truthful to Allaah, obedient to Him, obedient to His Messengers, respectful to His teachings that are in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of Allaah's Messenger. But as for when they turn away, and fall short, and when they have beliefs that clash with the beliefs of the Prophets, [and] Shirk is spread in the lands of the Muslims, and misguidance and deviation in the morals and manners and other such tribulations, all of which obligates the anger of Allaah and obligates the domination of the enemies of Islaam upon those Muslims, those about whom the saying of the Messenger (`alayhi as-salaatu was-salaam) holds true, "The nations are about to call each other and set upon you, just as diners set upon food." They said: "Will it be because of our small number that day, O Messenger of Allaah?" He said: "Rather, on that day you will be many, but you will be like ghuthaa (scum, foam), like the ghuthaa on the river". This is the reality of the Muslims, so are they prepared to leave this ghuthaa'iyyah? For by Allaah, [leaving this ghuthaa'iyyah] is not by battle-cries, nor by demonstrations, and by crying and nor by any of this. Rather, it is (by way of) our being truthful with Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, and that we acquaint ourselves with all earnest, with the methodology of the Prophets, and with the speech of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam), so we believe what it contains of beliefs upon the way of the Messenger of Allaah and His Noble Companions, not upon the way of the Rawaafid (Shi`ah), and nor upon the way of the Khawaarij, and nor upon the way of the Ba'thees (Socialists) and nor upon the way of the Philosophers, and nor upon the way of any astray sect. But rather upon the way of the Messenger (`alayhi as-salaatu was salaam), the way that is comprised in the texts of the Book and the Sunnah, and [the way that] the Noble Companions guided themselves, by this guidance, and [the way of] whoever followed them until this day of ours.

This is the path to rescue in the world and the hereafter, and this is the path of deliverance, this is the boat of deliverance. And by Allaah, the time has come for the Palestinian society to return to Allaah, and the Iraaqee society, and all of the [Muslim] societies, for them to return to Allaah, with a complete and serious return. And it is of the utmost imperative upon the callers, those who raise the slogans that doe not benefit the Muslims, that they are truthful to Allaah, the Blessed and Exalted and that they give sincerity of purpose to Allaah, and His Book and His Messenger, to the leaders of the Muslims and their general folk, that they give sincerity of purpose to them and call out to them to return to the Book of Allaah and that they satisfy the Muslims with [the fact] that there is not deliverance or rescue from the anger of Allaah, His punishment, and empowerment of their enemies upon them in this life, except by a serious return to the Book of Allaah, and the Sunnah of His Messenger (`alayhi as salaatu was salaam) and to what the Pious Predecessors (may Allaah be peased with them) were upon.

This is the path to deliverance, by Allaah, not by the United Nations, which has been unsuccessful, and nor by the Security Council, and nor by the Union of Arab States, and nor other than it, and nor by mere slogans or ideologies, or calls, or slogans, or the cries of the Soofiyyah, or the Rawaafid nor other than them.

But that which will save them and will remove them from the destructive calamities, is that they return to the Book of Allaah and to the Sunnah of His Messenger, just as he (`alayhi as salaatu was salaam) said, "When you deal in 'eenah transactions, and are satisfied with cultivation, and hold on to the tails of oxen [and abandon Jihaad] then Allaah will impose a humiliation upon which that He will not remove up until you return to your deen".

I hope that you understand this Prophetic advice, it is not the advice of Rabee`, this is the advice of the Messenger of Allaah, the Naasih, the Ameen (Sincere Advisor, Trustworthy One), who does not speak with his desire, the one who is Ra'oof and Raheem, as his Lord described him. So if you desire deliverance in this world and the hereafter, and rescue, and (imposing) humiliation upon the Disbelievers, and (acquiring) strength, honour for Islaam and the Muslims, then Allaamah Rabee' on Current Events in Iraaq by Allaah, the path to strength, deliverance and honour in this world and the hereafter is by returning to Islaam and holding fast to it.

So I ask Allaah that He grants success to the Muslims, those who are guided and those who are astray and deviated amongst them, from amongst the astray sects in whatever land from the various lands, that they show earnest in returning to the Book of Allaah, and taking from this (Prophetic) text and its likes, that direct them to what which will rectify them in their world and their hereafter. I ask Allaah that He grants success to the leaders of the Muslims, their callers, and the students of knowledge in leading these poor societies to the shores of safety, and to the banks of deliverance. And that is in abundance in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger. I ask Allaah that He actualises this soon rather than later, verily our Lord is the one who hears the supplication, and prayers and salutations upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and companions.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

"Don't Abuse the Concept of Jihaad"

Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority urged Muslims yesterday (Thursday 21 August, 2003) to shun extremism and avoid waging unjustified jihaad as the Kingdom cracks down on militants.

In a lengthy statement, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh told Saudis to listen to their religious authorities and ignore fanatical interpretations of Islaam.

"One of the fallouts from extremism in understanding Islaam is that some people call for jihaad for the sake of God without justification," Sheikh Abdul Aziz said.

"These people raise the banner of jihaad to draw the young into their ranks and not to fight for God," he added.

Militants like Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden have often called for jihaad against countries they consider "infidel" such as the United States, urging his followers to target Western interests in Saudi Arabia and abroad.

Other militants have also used Islaam as a rallying cry, justifying attacks by saying they are doing God's will.

"Young Muslims must try and better themselves and their country but not through violence, because Islaam is not a violent religion, it is a merciful religion," he said.

"A Muslim must understand his religion. It is the duty of the young and the whole Muslim world to know that violence is not a way to achieve reform," Al-Sheikh said.

The grand mufti emphasized that the struggle against a perceived evil should not lead to a greater evil.

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) told us to combat evil. But there is a general rule to look at both advantages and disadvantages. And if fighting an evil leads to a greater one, then that fight is forbidden," he said.

The grand mufti said one of the reasons some people attacked and frightened others was ignorance.

"Ignorance is a killer disease because a person thinks that he is right when he is wrong," he said and stressed the importance of right guidance. "One of the reasons also is mistrust of our scholars. It is people's duty to trust their scholars and leaders," he said.

Last week, the Kingdom's highest Islaamic authority denounced terror attacks in the Kingdom, describing them as "serious criminal acts," and pledged its full support for the government.

"Acts of sabotage such as bombings, murder and destruction of property are serious criminal acts and an aggression against innocent people... which warrant severe and deterrent punishment," the Council of Senior Islaamic Scholars said in a statement.

The 17-member council, headed by the grand mufti, declared its support for the actions being taken by the state to track down terrorists in an effort to shield the country from their actions.

The Islaamic body had called on the Saudi people to "stand behind the country's leadership and their scholars," at these difficult times in the fight against "evildoers."

The statement dubbed "misguided and ignorant" those who claim that terrorism was part of jihaad, or holy war. It said people who provide shelter to suspected militants were committing a "grave sin."


Attacking the enemy by blowing oneself up in a car

Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?

Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).

[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), ].

However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.

And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

[B]{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].

And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.

We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.

Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119

[Delf]

Is it true that all 3 khalif's after the first khalif were actually killed by muslims?

Delf.
P.S. Just wondering about the political structure of middle ages Khalifat.
Did people vote? How judges were appointed? Any separation of three branches of power? Any accountability for khalif? (like impeachement)

[Black]

Is it true that all 3 khalif's after the first khalif were actually killed by muslims?

Delf.
P.S. Just wondering about the political structure of middle ages Khalifat.
Did people vote? How judges were appointed? Any separation of three branches of power? Any accountability for khalif? (like impeachement)
I try answer according to what I know.
The answer is NO. Because, the second khalif Umar r.a. was killed by a slave of nonmuslim arab (I don't remember whether he was cristian or pagan) while he was praying. The slave stabbed him (Umar r.a.) with knife from his back, he didn't see the slave. Before diying he asked whether the killer was a muslim or not, people said "no, he is not!". Umar r.a. said: "I can die now happily, because I am not diying from the hands of muslim, but from the hands of kafir!"
I don't know much about the killers of the third khalif, Uthman r.a., I only know that he was killed while he was reading Qur'an (Mushaf), the very Qur'an which we have in Tashkent. Blood stains of Uthman r.a. are still there (in Mushaf).
Although the killers of the fourth khalif Ali r.a. considered themselves as muslims, muslim scholars do not consider them muslim, thus he (Ali r.a.) was also killed by non-muslims.

How the khalifs were chosen.
1. Abu Bakr r.a. . Voted by majority, some voted for Umar r.a as well, but they were minority. So Abu Bakr r.a. became a kahlif.
2. Umar r.a. . While in his death bed, Abu Bakr r.a. appointed Umar r.a. as his sucsessor. Majority was agree.
3. Uthman r.a. . After the death of Umar r.a., muslims put their candidates. Initially there were six of them, and six of them decided amongst themselves who to become a khalif.
4. Ali r.a. I don't know much about how Ali r.a. become a khalif, but I know that he was voted by majority.

[Mujib]

Saudi Arabia propagates and funds Wahhabism. Under this leadership the graves of the elect of this Umma were destroyed. Under this leadership the learning centers where traditional Islam was taught were closed and traditional scholars banned from teaching. Under this leadership institutions for teaching Wahhabism were established. Under this leadership Wahhabi missionaries are sent to Muslim countries to lead Muslims astray from traditional Islam. Under this leadership books and other propaganda material for the spread of Wahhabism are mass-produced to be distributed around the world. All of this is funded by oil money from dealings with the enemies of the Muslims.

Where is Saudi’s support for Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir, Chechnya, etc? How many soldiers from their army are fighting in these lands?

It is nothing but this Wahhabism that leads Muslims to accuse the vast majority of Muslims of shirk. They speak of tawhid as if Saudi is the only Muslim land. Are the Muslims of other lands not people of tawhid? The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said that he does not fear shirk for his community, yet Wahhabis speak of tawhid and shirk as if Muslims do not know the difference. The Muslims of the world have been practicing Islam as it has been practiced since the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Only 200+ years ago did the Wahhabi fitna rise to reject traditional Islam and Muslims, to fight them, declare them mushriks and kafirs, and to spread their deviations with the claim that the Muslims of the world had gotten it all wrong for 1200+ years and only they had it right. With fatwas from their teachers declaring traditional Muslims polytheists (mushrikin), the Wahhabis fought and killed Muslims in Arabia. They rebelled against the Ottoman Caliphate and fought against it, helping the kuffar to bring it to an end. And today they continue to infiltrate lands were traditional Muslims thrive, fighting them, condemning their practice of Islam, and spreading their own deviant beliefs.

As for the shrines of the `ulama and awliya’, their presence has honored and blessed the Muslim lands for centuries. Muslims have been visiting them and obtaining baraka from them since the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). The `ulama have never spoken against this. Were they all wrong and only the Wahhabis learned true din recently? Imam al-Shafi`i (Allah be well pleased with him) would go to the grave of Imam al-A`zam Abu Hanifa (Allah be well pleased with him) to make tawassul and obtain blessings. Do the Wahhabis know better than him? Did he not understand tawhid? Ya Latif! With these aberrant beliefs of theirs, Wahhabis have waged war against the graves of the elite Muslims in Saudi Arabia. They have desicrated the graves of Companions and Ahl al-Bayt! They eradicated the house in which the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was born! And as if that was not enough, they now want to destroy it and its foundations completely.

Their crimes against Islam and Muslims are many. Insha’Allah I will post more later.

Allah and His Messenger know best. Was-Salam

[Black]

Saudi Arabia propagates and funds Wahhabism. Under this leadership the graves of the elect of this Umma were destroyed. Under this leadership the learning centers where traditional Islam was taught were closed and traditional scholars banned from teaching. Under this leadership institutions for teaching Wahhabism were established. Under this leadership Wahhabi missionaries are sent to Muslim countries to lead Muslims astray from traditional Islam. Under this leadership books and other propaganda material for the spread of Wahhabism are mass-produced to be distributed around the world. All of this is funded by oil money from dealings with the enemies of the Muslims.

Where is Saudi’s support for Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir, Chechnya, etc? How many soldiers from their army are fighting in these lands?

It is nothing but this Wahhabism that leads Muslims to accuse the vast majority of Muslims of shirk. They speak of tawhid as if Saudi is the only Muslim land. Are the Muslims of other lands not people of tawhid? The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said that he does not fear shirk for his community, yet Wahhabis speak of tawhid and shirk as if Muslims do not know the difference. The Muslims of the world have been practicing Islam as it has been practiced since the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Only 200+ years ago did the Wahhabi fitna rise to reject traditional Islam and Muslims, to fight them, declare them mushriks and kafirs, and to spread their deviations with the claim that the Muslims of the world had gotten it all wrong for 1200+ years and only they had it right. With fatwas from their teachers declaring traditional Muslims polytheists (mushrikin), the Wahhabis fought and killed Muslims in Arabia. They rebelled against the Ottoman Caliphate and fought against it, helping the kuffar to bring it to an end. And today they continue to infiltrate lands were traditional Muslims thrive, fighting them, condemning their practice of Islam, and spreading their own deviant beliefs.

As for the shrines of the `ulama and awliya’, their presence has honored and blessed the Muslim lands for centuries. Muslims have been visiting them and obtaining baraka from them since the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). The `ulama have never spoken against this. Were they all wrong and only the Wahhabis learned true din recently? Imam al-Shafi`i (Allah be well pleased with him) would go to the grave of Imam al-A`zam Abu Hanifa (Allah be well pleased with him) to make tawassul and obtain blessings. Do the Wahhabis know better than him? Did he not understand tawhid? Ya Latif! With these aberrant beliefs of theirs, Wahhabis have waged war against the graves of the elite Muslims in Saudi Arabia. They have desicrated the graves of Companions and Ahl al-Bayt! They eradicated the house in which the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was born! And as if that was not enough, they now want to destroy it and its foundations completely.

Their crimes against Islam and Muslims are many. Insha’Allah I will post more later.

Allah and His Messenger know best. Was-Salam

Speak with proof Mujib. What concepts of their belief are wrong? Are they commiting shirk? MOst of your words are only claims, others are exaggerated, no proof at all (from Qur'an and Sunnah).
As for graves and shrines, I think they did right. Other muslims lands (especially Indo-pakistan and Central Asian area) should follow them.
So what if they eradicated of the house where Prophet :saws: born??? If it was to prevent shirk, that's great then. As Prophet :saws: told:" If you see somebody committing sin stop it with your hands. If you can't do that, stop it with your words, or if you can't do even this, then hate it with your soul. But the last one from the weakness of your iyman!"

P.S. I am not taking any sides, but I am sick of such acusations among muslims.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Speaking up against and refutation of the bida'is like Mujib is best of the Jihaads. May Allah swt guide you akhee Black and all of us of on a siratal Mustaqiym.

JIHAAD AGAINST THE INNOVATOR (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=17586)

Please Read and Contemplate.

[Mujib]

As-Salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah

[Speak with proof Mujib.]

This is all documented history, brother. If you still do not accept it, let me know what you seek proof for and I shall, insha’Allah, provide it.

[As for graves and shrines, I think they did right.]

Based on what? Did the Wahhabis who rose with this fitna 200+ years ago know better than all the `ulama that lived in these Muslim lands for centuries?

[So what if they eradicated of the house where Prophet born???]

So the `ulama who allowed it to remain for 1400+ years were all wrong? Only the Wahhabis learned the truth?

[If it was to prevent shirk, that's great then.]

What shirk?

[P.S. I am not taking any sides, but I am sick of such acusations among muslims.]

You are definitely taking sides, brother. You did not become sick at the accusations of shirk against the vast majority of Muslims, yet you speak up now when the truth has been spoken against Wahhabis.


Was-Salam

[Mujib]

[Speaking up against and refutation of the bida'is like Mujib is best of the Jihaads.]

Mujib (may Allah guide him) follows Islam as it has been followed by his people since Islam came to them over a thousand years ago. Those whom you support follow what their leaders innovated only two centuries or so ago. So it is they who are the innovators.

Are you from Uzbekistan, brother? Tell me, did Uzbekistan ever know in its history what you are now propagating? Did the world-renowned `ulama and awliya’ who came from Uzbekistan ever practice and teach what you are propagating? You and those whom you follow are asking us to abandon the traditional Islam our great people have always followed for the innovations of Wahhabism. And because we reject these new-founded ideas, and stick to the Ahl al-Sunna – to the Hanafi madhhab in fiqh, to the Maturidi school in `aqida, and to the respect and veneration of the Naqshbandi tariqa and other tariqas of Tasawwuf – you accuse us of innovation?! Amazing!

Was-Salam

[Black]

[Speaking up against and refutation of the bida'is like Mujib is best of the Jihaads.]

Mujib (may Allah guide him) follows Islam as it has been followed by his people since Islam came to them over a thousand years ago. Those whom you support follow what their leaders innovated only two centuries or so ago. So it is they who are the innovators.

Are you from Uzbekistan, brother? Tell me, did Uzbekistan ever know in its history what you are now propagating? Did the world-renowned `ulama and awliya’ who came from Uzbekistan ever practice and teach what you are propagating? You and those whom you follow are asking us to abandon the traditional Islam our great people have always followed for the innovations of Wahhabism. And because we reject these new-founded ideas, and stick to the Ahl al-Sunna – to the Hanafi madhhab in fiqh, to the Maturidi school in `aqida, and to the respect and veneration of the Naqshbandi tariqa and other tariqas of Tasawwuf – you accuse us of innovation?! Amazing!

Was-Salam

All your words are "blah, blah" brother. Only claims. I heard such claims many many times in Uzbekistan (especially from old communists and former anti-islamists, who now works in high positions in Uzbekistan). This is all for kids. I could have answered, but what's the point? You are not seeking the truth. You purpose is just to accuse others. Think what if you are wrong! Since I know you you didn't changed at all ( I mean you still sing that old song).
Besides this, I have no time at the moment. Go and read some books PLEASE.

P.S. So you say that I am taking sides. So you say I am a liar??? Why are you talking to the liar then, if you know that I am going to lie anyway? Can you answer me?
P.P.S. I am not saying that I agree competly with what Saudian Kingdom does. But the fact is there is difference between Saudian King and Saudian scholars and ordinary ppl. I could have said more, but I have no time.


May Allah guide all of us and UNITE us!

And Allah knows the best.

[Black]

Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Speaking up against and refutation of the bida'is like Mujib is best of the Jihaads. May Allah swt guide you akhee Black and all of us of on a siratal Mustaqiym.

JIHAAD AGAINST THE INNOVATOR (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=17586)

Please Read and Contemplate.

Walaykum Assalam wa rahmatullah.
I try to read the article, but now I am in a hurry. I don't know when I am going to sit in front of computer again.
Anyway, I don't agree with all what you posted brother. I have some points to say, but unfortunately I couldn't find any free time. But I completly agree about suicide bombers. I was looking for long for such fatwas-articles (which speaks against suicide bombings). I completly agree with that!

May Allah guide all of us and unite us.

And Allah knows the best.

[chicagoan]

Yes there is no country where only Allaah's Law is established fully and perfectly. However this does not mean there is no Islamic country on the earth right now. Alhamdulillah, Saudi Arabia, UAE and other countries are Islamic because they do establish law of Allaah to a certain degree. May Allaah correct them and help them to establish Islamic law.
assalamu alaykum,

you r hesitating. make up your mind, breath, differentiate between things.

I agree w/ Joha - there is no Islamic country on earth.
Why d u defend Saud so much?

They r helping USA to slaughter Iraq. they have KINGDOM system. That is enough to cancel out all ISLAMIC window dressing they put up.


mr

[tarafdor]

I try answer according to what I know.
Hz. Abu Bakr was killed by poisoned meal.
The answer is NO. Because, the second khalif Umar r.a. was killed by a slave of nonmuslim arab (I don't remember whether he was cristian or pagan) while he was praying. The slave stabbed him (Umar r.a.) with knife from his back, he didn't see the slave. Before diying he asked whether the killer was a muslim or not, people said "no, he is not!". Umar r.a. said: "I can die now happily, because I am not diying from the hands of muslim, but from the hands of kafir!" Hz. Umar's son killed the youngest daughter of Ebu Lulu. But there was no any criminal investigitation and penalty, so angered Ebu Lulu entered secretly Umar's residence and stabbed him to death in his residence.
I don't know much about the killers of the third khalif, Uthman r.a., I only know that he was killed while he was reading Qur'an (Mushaf), the very Qur'an which we have in Tashkent. Blood stains of Uthman r.a. are still there (in Mushaf). During the reign of Hz. Uthman caliphate lived through it's the worst darkness days. And he was killed by knife in one of the revolts against him by Amr Hamuk.
Although the killers of the fourth khalif Ali r.a. considered themselves as muslims, muslim scholars do not consider them muslim, thus he (Ali r.a.) was also killed by non-muslims. Hz. Ali was killed by Ibni Muljam by poisoned knife during sobh salah in the masjid just to marry Abu Quttom. Because brothers and father of Abu Quttom were killed during battle time and Abu Quttom though they were killed by Hz. Ali.

How the khalifs were chosen.
1. Abu Bakr r.a. . Voted by majority, some voted for Umar r.a as well, but they were minority. So Abu Bakr r.a. became a kahlif. Dear Black, do you know anything about Ghadir Khum event and the meeting in Beni Saida's house right after the death of the holy prophet Muhammad (SAW). Then you will have some info about this election.
2. Umar r.a. . While in his death bed, Abu Bakr r.a. appointed Umar r.a. as his sucsessor. Majority was agree. Right. Before several hours of his death he appointed Hz. Umar as his successor.
3. Uthman r.a. . After the death of Umar r.a., muslims put their candidates. Initially there were six of them, and six of them decided amongst themselves who to become a khalif. During his death hours he called for the council of 6 people from Ali, Osman, Abdurahman bin Avf, Zubeyr, Saad and Talha. Who are they? Abdurahman is Uthman's brother-in-law. Saad is Abdurahman's cousin. They're mothers are daughters of Abu Sufyon. Only Talha is not relative to them, but not in good relations with Ali, since relationship with Hashimites weren't good. Talha also wished to be Caliph.
Hz. Umar ordered to Talha " Hey Talha, take 50 armed soldiers and wait at the doors until the successor will not be chosen. And not let anybody come out until they will select the one. They need to finish this task within three days. If there will be one against kill him, if two will be against kill them two( They were Ali and Zubeyr). If three men will be against so votes will be equal, so take Abdurahman's side. Hz. Umar's son Abdullah was the head of this council.
This is how Hz. Uthman was chosen as a successor.
4. Ali r.a. I don't know much about how Ali r.a. become a khalif, but I know that he was voted by majority.Hz. Ali came to power after the revolt aganist Hz. Uthman. It was long waited moment as he was selected Caliph by holy prophet Muhammad (SAW) after his last pilgrimage oh his way to Medina. There are alot of proofs from Quran and Hadiths.
Ma assalama