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tarafdor

08-13-2004, 02:10 AM

assalamu alaykum,

buni o'qiganim-ga ancha bo'ldi...

ilk o'rislar bizi ayollarni ishga opti fabrikaga...

Moskvadan komissiya keladigan...

Gorispolkomdan bitta "madaniyatlashgan O'zbek" kelib avval o'zi aylanibdi-da, to'polon qilishni boshlabdi!

Ayollarimiz, guldek bo'lib ro'mol o'rab, lozim kiyib ishlab yurgan ekan, yengi uzun koylaklar....

U nima der emis: "Bu qanday MADANIYATSIZLIK?! DARHOL ISHTON RO'MOLINI YECHTIRING BARCHANI. ZAMONAVIY KO'RINSIN BIZNIKILAR HAM!"

...Hullas, ba'zi opalarimiz-onalarimiz, ishton-ro'molni yechgan ham - ne qisin. Ba'zilari esa, fabrikani tark etgan, imonini saqlash uchun....

Hozir ham vaziyat shunga o'shash emasmi?

afsus, afsus.

yig'la, muminlar...

mr
Bunga uhshash topik uje manimcha ancha bo'ldi bu forumda, lekin dolzarb topikligicha qolaveradi deb uylayman. Endi davlatni bo'lishi shu bo'lsa......

shokir

08-13-2004, 02:59 AM

He he ,

Halqimiz maqolniyam yaratib qo`yganda boplab: On***ni qozi "bir nima qilsa" dodingni kimga aytasan!!!

chicagoan

08-17-2004, 01:02 PM

I[ A JL JL O D']Mani sinfdoshimni universitetdan haydashdi shu narsa uchun.
Alloh rozi bo'lsin shunaqa qiz-ayollardan. Erkakdan ham mart bular!
Ularning bir ustun tarafi - uyda bolalarini boqib o'tiraverishi mumkin, butun shariatni 100% amal qilib.

mashallah,

mr

PainKiller

08-17-2004, 04:42 PM

chicagoan

08-17-2004, 04:49 PM

znachit qizlar lozim kiyishi kerak?
manimcha bu hammani ozini ishi, hohlasa kiyadi, hohlamasa yoq.
hozir davr, vaqt ozgargan. va otmishdagi lineyka boyicha hozirgi hayotni o'lchash ahmoqlik... Yigitlarimizam oldin doppi, belbog' bog'lab yurgan ekan...hozir doppini maraka-bayramlardagina korish mumkin. Kim Universitetga kundalik ravishda doppi belbog' kiyib boradi?
qizlarda ham huddi shu narsa.singlim,

Islomda avrat degan tushuncha bor, shunga ko'ra qizlarni faqat yuzi oyoq uchi va qo'l uchi berkitilmasa boladi. Avrat degan narsa, va umuman ISLOM vaqt o'tib o'zgarmaydi. Albatta, erga tekkuncha qiz boladan ota-onasi, oilasi habar olsa, undan song eri javobgar boladi.

Siz hecham yigitlarni qizlarga taqqoslamang. Soqol, bosh kiyim kabi narsalar sunnat, farz emas. Belboqqa kelsak - hozir barchamizni qayish belbog'imiz bor, alhamdulilloh.

Singlim, bilmasez, atrofdagilardan yo kitoblardan bilib oling, sunnat, muboh, farz, vojib nima deganini. OK? O'shanda haqiqiy "lineyka" bo'yicha olchashiz mumkin boladi.

O'sha yopilmay yurgan avratlar JAHANNAMda kuyadi....

mr

Wolfman

08-17-2004, 05:37 PM

singlim,

Islomda avrat degan tushuncha bor, shunga ko'ra qizlarni faqat yuzi oyoq uchi va qo'l uchi berkitilmasa boladi. Avrat degan narsa, va umuman ISLOM vaqt o'tib o'zgarmaydi. Albatta, erga tekkuncha qiz boladan ota-onasi, oilasi habar olsa, undan song eri javobgar boladi.

Siz hecham yigitlarni qizlarga taqqoslamang. Soqol, bosh kiyim kabi narsalar sunnat, farz emas. Belboqqa kelsak - hozir barchamizni qayish belbog'imiz bor, alhamdulilloh.

Singlim, bilmasez, atrofdagilardan yo kitoblardan bilib oling, sunnat, muboh, farz, vojib nima deganini. OK? O'shanda haqiqiy "lineyka" bo'yicha olchashiz mumkin boladi.

O'sha yopilmay yurgan avratlar JAHANNAMda kuyadi....

mrO'zbeklarning ichida Otabeklar hali ko'p ekanmi? MashaAlloh, "Otangga balli" deyishdan boshqa ilojim yo'q :D

Stan from South Park

PainKiller

08-17-2004, 06:17 PM

O'zbeklarning ichida Otabeklar hali ko'p ekanmi? MashaAlloh, "Otangga balli" deyishdan boshqa ilojim yo'q :D

Stan from South ParkNu vot videsh'. Gap Dinda bop chiqyapti. Bilmadim nima demoqchi bogansiz bu maqolangiz bilan. Ammo aytishim Mumkin, Hamma ozi ozini yolini tanledi. Shim kiyib yurganimdan hech afsusdamasman. Hudo ozi jazoimmiyam, mukofotimmiyam ozi bilib beradi. Tak chto, hammasi ozimga bog'liq ;)

Modesto

08-17-2004, 10:47 PM

singlim,

Islomda avrat degan tushuncha bor, shunga ko'ra qizlarni faqat yuzi oyoq uchi va qo'l uchi berkitilmasa boladi. Avrat degan narsa, va umuman ISLOM vaqt o'tib o'zgarmaydi. Albatta, erga tekkuncha qiz boladan ota-onasi, oilasi habar olsa, undan song eri javobgar boladi.

Siz hecham yigitlarni qizlarga taqqoslamang. Soqol, bosh kiyim kabi narsalar sunnat, farz emas. Belboqqa kelsak - hozir barchamizni qayish belbog'imiz bor, alhamdulilloh.

Singlim, bilmasez, atrofdagilardan yo kitoblardan bilib oling, sunnat, muboh, farz, vojib nima deganini. OK? O'shanda haqiqiy "lineyka" bo'yicha olchashiz mumkin boladi.

O'sha yopilmay yurgan avratlar JAHANNAMda kuyadi....

mr
Give others choice what to do....If you are religious it is good, perhaps somebody are not and the have RIGHT for this.
Still being in the USA it is easy to load all what you think and feel on others while you are in homelanad it is different story.
Just relax. Life is sunny and you are the person who didn't create this world to have right to say what to do or what not!!!
You are just simple humanbeing as I am, so why just be consious about what to say!!
Regards

Administrator

08-18-2004, 08:04 AM

Just relax. Life is sunny and you are the person who didn't create this world to have right to say what to do or what not!!!

lol
but the 'person' who created us gave us this right .
and not only rights but even the creator obligated us to say that and we can be punished if we do say anything.
so when i informed you aobut that you can sit and relex yourself.

tarafdor

08-18-2004, 08:11 AM

znachit qizlar lozim kiyishi kerak?
manimcha bu hammani ozini ishi, hohlasa kiyadi, hohlamasa yoq.
hozir davr, vaqt ozgargan. va otmishdagi lineyka boyicha hozirgi hayotni o'lchash ahmoqlik... Yigitlarimizam oldin doppi, belbog' bog'lab yurgan ekan...hozir doppini maraka-bayramlardagina korish mumkin. Kim Universitetga kundalik ravishda doppi belbog' kiyib boradi?
qizlarda ham huddi shu narsa.
Salom Olmahon,

Endi usha do'ppi va belbog' islomda bo'lmagan narsade. Bu hammasi vaqtlar mobaynida odamlar tomonidan uylab topilgan narsalar. Na Quronda na Hadislarda bu haqda biror narsa bor. Tasavur qiling, filistinliklar shahidlarni do'ppi va qalpoqlarda kumsalar, janazada hamma shunaqa kiyimda. O'zi Urta Osiyoda Islom diniga yangilik kiritgan mintaqa bo'lmasa kerak. Oddiy janazada, hammamiz bilamiz necha kunlab aza tutamiz, qanaqadir kiyim kechak beramiz mullalarga. Hammasi bu bid'at.
Lekin avratni yopish yurish Quronda ham Hadisda ham bor. Aytildimi bajarish kerak. Bizga erkalarga shu haqda biror bir narsa topib bering qani Qurondan va Hadisdan. Bajarishni istamasangiz bu uje boshqa mavzu, majburlash yuq.

Ma assalama

tarafdor

08-18-2004, 08:24 AM

Give others choice what to do....If you are religious it is good, perhaps somebody are not and the have RIGHT for this.
Still being in the USA it is easy to load all what you think and feel on others while you are in homelanad it is different story.
Just relax. Life is sunny and you are the person who didn't create this world to have right to say what to do or what not!!!
You are just simple humanbeing as I am, so why just be consious about what to say!!
Regards
Listen buddy,

Do you kow who's Recep Erdogan, Prime-Minister of Turkey. Have you ever seen his daughter's wedding? It was a very good point and example for those who're blaming Islam for terror and violence. Some of presidents participated in that wedding, including Greek prime-minister. All world media, particularly CNN and BBC showed this wedding. So his daughter was in hijab, very modern, charming and the important is Islamic.
Say alhamdullilah that people wondering around the world, writting this statements, not like others fully adopted western trash way of life.
So when all efforts failed, the only way is Jihad. You need to choose, to save your life to immigrate to Christian world, but if you're sincere moslem join Ummah.
When it's very difficult to explain shariat among our brothers and sisters, it gets much worse to stand against western culture and missionaries.
And Allah knows the best.

Modesto

08-18-2004, 04:01 PM

Listen buddy,

Do you kow who's Recep Erdogan, Prime-Minister of Turkey. Have you ever seen his daughter's wedding? It was a very good point and example for those who're blaming Islam for terror and violence. Some of presidents participated in that wedding, including Greek prime-minister. All world media, particularly CNN and BBC showed this wedding. So his daughter was in hijab, very modern, charming and the important is Islamic.
Say alhamdullilah that people wondering around the world, writting this statements, not like others fully adopted western trash way of life.
So when all efforts failed, the only way is Jihad. You need to choose, to save your life to immigrate to Christian world, but if you're sincere moslem join Ummah.
When it's very difficult to explain shariat among our brothers and sisters, it gets much worse to stand against western culture and missionaries.
And Allah knows the best.
I got you point. But show me the real expample when shariath did right things. Major part of Islam world is poor. The so called Ummah is disorganizaed and there is no country where Islam was a factor for economic, cutural and social development. All guys what you want is to ressurect medieveal Khalifat order. You never will reach this goal while there are some civilized persons who will stand against your unrealistic mania to rule everything as God prescribed. It is my life, My GOD and my personal business how to live and I will never allow somebody to teach or to force me to do something what I don't want even in the name of God, Allah whatever.
The religion in Uzbekistan has to be apart of state constitutuion and legal system. If you don't agree you can think so but you have nothing to do against it.
Becasue of you my sweet homeland is turning to be a battle ground, what for?
To kill people just to prove that you are sin, holy and good?

chicagoan

08-18-2004, 04:18 PM

I got you point. But show me the real expample when shariath did right things. Major part of Islam world is poor. The so called Ummah is disorganizaed and there is no country where Islam was a factor for economic, cutural and social development. All guys what you want is to ressurect medieveal Khalifat order. You never will reach this goal while there are some civilized persons who will stand against your unrealistic mania to rule everything as God prescribed. It is my life, My GOD and my personal business how to live and I will never allow somebody to teach or to force me to do something what I don't want even in the name of God, Allah whatever.
The religion in Uzbekistan has to be apart of state constitutuion and legal system. If you don't agree you can think so but you have nothing to do against it.
Becasue of you my sweet homeland is turning to be a battle ground, what for?
To kill people just to prove that you are sin, holy and good?
mashallah,

MOdesto, I did not suspect, when I wrote about women to cover their private parts, that I was POLITICALLY speaking.

Bro, these Kafir made you and other guys like you believe that Islam has nothing to do with prosperity, that all Islamic countries are poor, have been poor, and will be poor....

Let me give you my favourite example on how Kafir distorted our history:

Napoleon vs. Babur

If someone told you that Napoleon escaped Paris with 500 loyal men, and then conquered entire Europe - would you believe?

Why then ...we all believed that Babur left Andijon with 500 men, and then conquered Afghanistan and most of India, setting up one of the largest muslim empires in the world?

This all proves that KUFFAR lied in a big way.

From Bobur shoh, you can learn an example of what shariat did :
Unite India FOR the FIRST TIME under rule of ALLAH. Until then they all worshipped man's genitals, elephants, mutants with 4 hands, elephant's head and crocodile tail.

See Taj Mahal - and just guess what ECONOMIC, Scientific, and MOral development muslims achieved until British Kafirs plagued the country...

So, if they tell u - your muslim states were all poor, always against development - you believe?

Last but not least, nobody will force you anything. Even the prophets were responsible ONLY to bring the message. NO MORE.

If Muslims ever fought, they liberated the country of its oppressors, and left religious matters to people. Muslims, Christians, Jews lived in peace.

Read about Ottoman Empire, and learn more about what Shariat did.
Don't speak too much if you don't know nothing. If you know nothing, it does not mean that something does not exist.

Modesto - too bad 4 u.

mr

Administrator

08-19-2004, 12:38 AM

Modesto

08-19-2004, 04:14 PM

mashallah,

MOdesto, I did not suspect, when I wrote about women to cover their private parts, that I was POLITICALLY speaking.

Bro, these Kafir made you and other guys like you believe that Islam has nothing to do with prosperity, that all Islamic countries are poor, have been poor, and will be poor....

Let me give you my favourite example on how Kafir distorted our history:

Napoleon vs. Babur

If someone told you that Napoleon escaped Paris with 500 loyal men, and then conquered entire Europe - would you believe?

Why then ...we all believed that Babur left Andijon with 500 men, and then conquered Afghanistan and most of India, setting up one of the largest muslim empires in the world?

This all proves that KUFFAR lied in a big way.

From Bobur shoh, you can learn an example of what shariat did :
Unite India FOR the FIRST TIME under rule of ALLAH. Until then they all worshipped man's genitals, elephants, mutants with 4 hands, elephant's head and crocodile tail.

See Taj Mahal - and just guess what ECONOMIC, Scientific, and MOral development muslims achieved until British Kafirs plagued the country...

So, if they tell u - your muslim states were all poor, always against development - you believe?

Last but not least, nobody will force you anything. Even the prophets were responsible ONLY to bring the message. NO MORE.

If Muslims ever fought, they liberated the country of its oppressors, and left religious matters to people. Muslims, Christians, Jews lived in peace.

Read about Ottoman Empire, and learn more about what Shariat did.
Don't speak too much if you don't know nothing. If you know nothing, it does not mean that something does not exist.

Modesto - too bad 4 u.

mr Do not even think to shut my mouse, I have right to express what I think whether it contardicts with your opinion.
There are lot of empires existed in the history which has been associated with Christian and others non-muslims. And saying that Islam gives special valubale strength to the Islamic conquerers is wrong. I do not say that Islam as relegion is against development, I say only that some medieval traditions, one of which you propose, existed in Shariath and they are abstacle for further progress in those countries. Some young idealists like you are promoting pure islam on the blood of Kaffurs which is completely WRONG.
Do not find somebody to be rosponsible for all wrong's going on in these world. For Christians it was Devil because of it they burnt thousands of people to clean them from the DEvil. For you they are Kaffurs ot ohters non-muslims. You are ready to kill others only beacuse they bring western ideas and civilization which in some has advantages even comparing to Islam. And when you are saying that woman has to cover their private part not asking them do they want it or not, you do the same as Taliban did in Afghanistan. You are ready in the name of Allah beheaded persons for sins just beacuse it is said in Shariath. You do not have any moral or legitimate rights to say this.
That is why all your words carries nothing but extremistic islamic Propoganda!!!

Modesto

08-19-2004, 04:17 PM

mashallah,

MOdesto, I did not suspect, when I wrote about women to cover their private parts, that I was POLITICALLY speaking.

Bro, these Kafir made you and other guys like you believe that Islam has nothing to do with prosperity, that all Islamic countries are poor, have been poor, and will be poor....

Let me give you my favourite example on how Kafir distorted our history:

Napoleon vs. Babur

If someone told you that Napoleon escaped Paris with 500 loyal men, and then conquered entire Europe - would you believe?

Why then ...we all believed that Babur left Andijon with 500 men, and then conquered Afghanistan and most of India, setting up one of the largest muslim empires in the world?

This all proves that KUFFAR lied in a big way.

From Bobur shoh, you can learn an example of what shariat did :
Unite India FOR the FIRST TIME under rule of ALLAH. Until then they all worshipped man's genitals, elephants, mutants with 4 hands, elephant's head and crocodile tail.

See Taj Mahal - and just guess what ECONOMIC, Scientific, and MOral development muslims achieved until British Kafirs plagued the country...

So, if they tell u - your muslim states were all poor, always against development - you believe?

Last but not least, nobody will force you anything. Even the prophets were responsible ONLY to bring the message. NO MORE.

If Muslims ever fought, they liberated the country of its oppressors, and left religious matters to people. Muslims, Christians, Jews lived in peace.

Read about Ottoman Empire, and learn more about what Shariat did.
Don't speak too much if you don't know nothing. If you know nothing, it does not mean that something does not exist.

Modesto - too bad 4 u.

mr Do not even think to shut my mouse, I have right to express what I think whether it contardicts with your opinion.
There are lot of empires existed in the history which has been associated with Christian and others non-muslims. And saying that Islam gives special valubale strength to the Islamic conquerers is wrong. I do not say that Islam as relegion is against development, I say only that some medieval traditions, one of which you propose, existed in Shariath and they are mjor obstacle for further progress in those countries. Some young idealists like you are promoting pure islam on the blood of Kaffurs which is completely WRONG.
Do not find somebody to be responsible for all wrong's going on in these world. For Christians it was Devil because of it they burnt thousands of people to clean them from the DEvil. For you they are Kaffurs or others non-muslims. You are ready to kill others only beacuse they are bringing western ideas and civilization which in some has advantages even comparing to Islam. And when you are saying that woman has to cover their private part not asking them do they want it or not, you do the same as Taliban did in Afghanistan. You are ready in the name of Allah beheaded persons for sins just beacuse it is said in Shariath. You do not have any moral or legitimate rights to say this.
That is why all your words carries nothing but extremistic islamic Propoganda!!!

Modesto

08-19-2004, 04:18 PM

i think this guy had been for a long time under some turkish guys who are so called 'ulkucu'
ummah,khalifat,arabs arabic countries ..etc that is all what they know and speak about islam.(that comes from ataturk teachings). Hey...you don not know me and I don not want to know you either. Just relax and say something if you have or just keep quiet when others are debating!!

chicagoan

08-20-2004, 02:26 PM

Do not even think to shut my mouse, I have right to express what I think whether it contardicts with your opinion.
There are lot of empires existed in the history which has been associated with Christian and others non-muslims. And saying that Islam gives special valubale strength to the Islamic conquerers is wrong. I do not say that Islam as relegion is against development, I say only that some medieval traditions, one of which you propose, existed in Shariath and they are mjor obstacle for further progress in those countries. Some young idealists like you are promoting pure islam on the blood of Kaffurs which is completely WRONG.
Do not find somebody to be responsible for all wrong's going on in these world. For Christians it was Devil because of it they burnt thousands of people to clean them from the DEvil. For you they are Kaffurs or others non-muslims. You are ready to kill others only beacuse they are bringing western ideas and civilization which in some has advantages even comparing to Islam. And when you are saying that woman has to cover their private part not asking them do they want it or not, you do the same as Taliban did in Afghanistan. You are ready in the name of Allah beheaded persons for sins just beacuse it is said in Shariath. You do not have any moral or legitimate rights to say this.
That is why all your words carries nothing but extremistic islamic Propoganda!!!
mashaallah,

brother, you gotta change sections. I did not try to shut your mouth (not mouse, check out www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) sometimes, since u r in the USA).

From few posts you made it is clear that you have no idea of Islam, and history in general. Don't make CONCLUSIVE statements, did not you study some ethics? Don't say things like NEVER, or "that Islam gives special valubale strength to the Islamic conquerers is wrong. " or "existed in Shariath and they are mjor obstacle for further progress in those countries. ".

Ayb bo'ladi, jiyan. Use more phrases like "I think", I guess, I suppose, According to what I know, and etc. OK?

I only wish you good. I do not want you to expose your weaknesses while you talk here. This forum is for well-informed guys. You can't throw whatever comes to your mind, unless ....

Go offline, read some little books, and come back with something to say.

wassalam,

mr

Fallen Angel

08-20-2004, 03:14 PM

singlim,

Islomda avrat degan tushuncha bor, shunga ko'ra qizlarni faqat yuzi oyoq uchi va qo'l uchi berkitilmasa boladi. Avrat degan narsa, va umuman ISLOM vaqt o'tib o'zgarmaydi. Albatta, erga tekkuncha qiz boladan ota-onasi, oilasi habar olsa, undan song eri javobgar boladi.

Siz hecham yigitlarni qizlarga taqqoslamang. Soqol, bosh kiyim kabi narsalar sunnat, farz emas. Belboqqa kelsak - hozir barchamizni qayish belbog'imiz bor, alhamdulilloh.

Singlim, bilmasez, atrofdagilardan yo kitoblardan bilib oling, sunnat, muboh, farz, vojib nima deganini. OK? O'shanda haqiqiy "lineyka" bo'yicha olchashiz mumkin boladi.

O'sha yopilmay yurgan avratlar JAHANNAMda kuyadi....

mr

Uffffffffff,Basta!!!!Sizga uxshagan dinga berilb ketganlarni dinniy extremist va voxobiylar deyishadi! Xoxlaseyz xotiniyzga rumol va lozim kiydirib yuring, kuniga un mahal nomoz uqing va uziyz ham lozimda yuring,bu sizning shaxsiy ishingiz. Lekin uz dinniy fikrlaringizni va dunyo qarashlraingizni boshqalarga urgatib va hammani dinsiz ha kofir deyishga xaqqiyz yuq!!

Maroon

08-20-2004, 04:53 PM

Mda....did not know that I'd meet Islamic fanatics in here.
S vami obsujdat etu temu daje ne stoit. Vam che nibud obyasni ili dokaji. Samoe glavnoe, chto bi dusha bila chista.

chicagoan

08-20-2004, 04:57 PM

Uffffffffff,Basta!!!!Sizga uxshagan dinga berilb ketganlarni dinniy extremist va voxobiylar deyishadi! Xoxlaseyz xotiniyzga rumol va lozim kiydirib yuring, kuniga un mahal nomoz uqing va uziyz ham lozimda yuring,bu sizning shaxsiy ishingiz. Lekin uz dinniy fikrlaringizni va dunyo qarashlraingizni boshqalarga urgatib va hammani dinsiz ha kofir deyishga xaqqiyz yuq!!
Muhtaram Shaytoncha!

Men o'zimni bilib "Din va Madaniyat" sahifasida o'z fikrlarimni ochiqlayabman.
Problemy Uzbekistana yoki Umumiy sahifaga kam kiraman. Bu sahifaga kirganlarni ko'pi albatta diniy dunyoqarashni, Allohni dini haqida o'rganishni hohlaydi, bilganlarini baham ko'radi.

Men 18 yoshimgacha namoz o'qimagandim. Aroq ichardim, raqs tushardim, cho'chqa ham yeganman,....Endi ALLOH meni saqlab, o'zimni va ALLOHni taniy boshlaganimda, SENI dashnoming menga ortiqcha.

CHicagoan degan postlarni IGNORE qilaver. Mening yozganlarimni o'qishni hech kimga majbur qilingani yo'q.

Take it easy.

mr

chicagoan

08-20-2004, 05:01 PM

Mda....did not know that I'd meet Islamic fanatics in here.
S vami obsujdat etu temu daje ne stoit. Vam che nibud obyasni ili dokaji. Samoe glavnoe, chto bi dusha bila chista.
assalamu alaykum,

let me make a sequel to your jewels of wisdom...

Yes, clean soul is first of all - and clean soul seeks its CREATOR, obeys the ALMIGHTY. Covers what is ordered to be covered, and speaks what is ordered to be spoken...

clean soul shows itself outside - in behavior, dressing, manners, eating habits....

you name it.

wassalam,

mr

Maroon

08-20-2004, 05:32 PM

Yeah, lucky wife. I guess she will have one of the cleanest souls around.With a husband like that, you could not have it cleaner.

But thank you for your advice but I'll surely find a way to CLEAN my SOUL.

Cheers!

Administrator

08-20-2004, 08:22 PM

Mda....did not know that I'd meet Islamic fanatics in here.
S vami obsujdat etu temu daje ne stoit. Vam che nibud obyasni ili dokaji. Samoe glavnoe, chto bi dusha bila chista.
ohohoh
kogda nechego skazat ochen lehko nazvat drugih fanatikami ot vot tak otmazatsa.

Administrator

08-20-2004, 08:35 PM

Uffffffffff,Basta!!!!Sizga uxshagan dinga berilb ketganlarni dinniy extremist va voxobiylar deyishadi! Xoxlaseyz xotiniyzga rumol va lozim kiydirib yuring, kuniga un mahal nomoz uqing va uziyz ham lozimda yuring,bu sizning shaxsiy ishingiz. Lekin uz dinniy fikrlaringizni va dunyo qarashlraingizni boshqalarga urgatib va hammani dinsiz ha kofir deyishga xaqqiyz yuq!!
voyboo ... hurmatli 'fallen'(you are really fallen) honim afandi , jaa bunchalik onsongina qizishavermang islomni en onson sanalgan amallarini rioya qilishga chaqirgan odamni korganingizda.qiziq dinga berilib ketganlarni 'extremist va voxobiylar' deydigan shahslarning ozlari qanday odamlar ekan ?unday deyishadigan bolishsa unda ayting ularga topa-togri bu qoidalarni chiqiargan ve amal qilishga hukum qilgan allohni ozini shunday deb atab qoya qolishsin('extremist va voxobiy') uni bandalarni emas.
Ahir chiqagon kabi bandlarda nima ayb bor agar allohni ozi ularga shu ishlarni qilishga hukum qilgan bolsa?

Maroon

08-21-2004, 05:43 AM

ohohoh
kogda nechego skazat ochen lehko nazvat drugih fanatikami ot vot tak otmazatsa.

Ohohoho. You just see through me Adminstrator. mda..............

Cheers!

Administrator

08-21-2004, 06:11 AM

i know... :cool:
uchis devochka ;)

tarafdor

08-21-2004, 02:23 PM

Mda....did not know that I'd meet Islamic fanatics in here.
S vami obsujdat etu temu daje ne stoit. Vam che nibud obyasni ili dokaji. Samoe glavnoe, chto bi dusha bila chista.
Salam Shopgirl,

Still confused why all these people call us, people who talk Allah's words, call for the Haq(Truce) helping to differentiate what's halal and haram like fanatics or radicals.
Shopgirl, this is online discussion, so feel free to express every single opinion and prove it and stand for it, of course if you're right. So without any debates just to name us like this, not a good gesture.
Insha'allah Allah will leads us into the right path.

Ma assalama

PainKiller

08-21-2004, 05:38 PM

chicagoan, u sound scary, man. U'd better talk business, than catching up with dude's mechanical mistakes.
I think u got bunch of complexes(improve me). Life is so Sunny. y r u so angry, huh?

Maroon

08-21-2004, 06:04 PM

Salam Shopgirl,

Still confused why all these people call us, people who talk Allah's words, call for the Haq(Truce) helping to differentiate what's halal and haram like fanatics or radicals.
Shopgirl, this is online discussion, so feel free to express every single opinion and prove it and stand for it, of course if you're right. So without any debates just to name us like this, not a good gesture.
Insha'allah Allah will leads us into the right path.

Ma assalama

Well hello there. Mda...I am not saying it is bad to talk Allah's words but sometimes it is too much and some people, in my opinion, make a whole different meaning out of it.

Islam is a great religion which I truly respect but there are people who sometimes go too far, which frankly, sometimes freaks me out.

I have nothing against people being religious no kogda delo dohodit do togo chto drugih zastavlyaut che to delat' ili nachinaut o chem to umnichat i govorit ti takoy sikoy potomu chto ti eto i to ne delaesh, mne eto uje ne nravitsya. Pust' lyudi sami sebe put' vibiraut i pust' eto drugih ne volnuet. They should worry more about their own lives than waste time on other peoples.

CHeers!

Modesto

08-21-2004, 07:53 PM

i know... :cool:
uchis devochka ;) Now my turn, let's dispute wisely with arguments.
My first and main argument is that person (including woman) has right for mistakes, for siins etc. Probably this is as it said in shariath and probably it is Allah's will that woman shall cover their intimate genitals but they have right to refuse and not to do it. And nobody including "holy" believers-"muslims", as some of them here, has no right to force to stop it beacause it is still consistent with law, with state law and not with shariath. As members of civil society with various religois beliefs and disbeliefs as atheist for expample we are obliged to follow the state law but to follow the rule of shariath is personal choice of others!!
The second point is that Shariath is being the law has to be flexible, facing gradual changes in enviroment, the progress in social and other part of the life of society.Many medievel traditions, recognized by shariath is inconsitent with the real life and has to be interpreted according to the the progress in our modern life.
The third part, being "progressive" muslim I do not oppose that somebody like Chicagon, Tarafdor or Administrator can live and limit their life their preferences as much as they want according to their religious ideas. They can dance around the flame or pray 4-10-15 times a day, this is their personal right till this right is not interfering with personal rights and freedoms of other person. But to say what others have to do, to force or harass them with their proislamistic propoganda is not legetimate under present law of many countries (thanks God Uzbekistan is one of this).
So, conclusion is. These guys can express their opnions if their want but do not irritate other beliefs or feelings. Nobody except ALLAH can judge other person sins. Nobody has no right to put cliche "good" or "bad" or even "Kaffur"on the person. Nishallah you will understand it if not end of your propoganda will not be successful among peace-loving, non-extremistic, progressive muslim majority of Uzbekistan.
Regards, saves Allah your souls!!!

tarafdor

08-22-2004, 05:15 AM

Salam Shopgirl,

I got your point and here's my interpretation.

Islam is a great religion which I truly respect but there are people who sometimes go too far, which frankly, sometimes freaks me out.

You can't compare Islam with Olympic marathaon, that somebody ahead and somebyody slowdowns. You need better to say somebody practicing and sobemody is not. Somebody has a knowledge and somebody lack of knowledge. But this normal way of thinking for our people. We like to envy, if our friend has bought a new flat we'll start to find any kind of defect, as somebody has a sufficient religious knowledge we just label him as a fanat or wahabi. So it's ok with you.

Pust' lyudi sami sebe put' vibiraut i pust' eto drugih ne volnuet.

We need to be kind and take care of other moslem brothers and sisters. We need to show right path my beloved sister. We do care about you. We are responsible for you, tomorrow we'll be asked whether we had a chance to help you but didn't. Islam is a teamwork and nobody will be left out of it's borders.

They should worry more about their own lives than waste time on other peoples.

Shopgirl, if you are not interested in all advices and shariat plz could you visit other rooms like shopping/movie/between us girls/ and so on. This is religious and cultural room. You need to respect it even you're not practicing Islam. We've no right to argue against the basic tenants of Islam. If all our advices diminish you plz ignore them all since you're living in "democratic" country.

Anyway it was pleasure to have conversation with you. Allah bless you.

Ma assalama

Maroon

08-22-2004, 06:49 AM

Salom.

Well tarafdor, no one is comparing Islam with an Olympic marathon. And I am not calling everyone a wahabi or a fanatic who has "sufficient religious knowlegde" about islam. But you having that knowledge does not mean you are intepreting it the right way. If you know,the word fanatic means: "A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause." And in my opinion I can see some people who are indeed too motivated.

You are not responsible for us, people are responsible for themselves. Sure go on and help, show people the "right " path but do not force them coz by forcing them it won't help but make it worse.

You know, even I do not practice Islam I am interested in what people have to say about it. And like other people religious not religious, I do have the right to visit any room I wish and express my opinion. It has nothing to do with respect because no one was being disrespectful. This a place where I can freely express my point of you view may it suit yours or not. I had something to say, I said it, and if you are not satisfied with it why do not you ignore it yourself. Yes, indeed I am living in a democratic country and thank God I have the right to wear and do whatever I want to.

The pleasure was mine.

Cheers!

tarafdor

08-22-2004, 11:19 AM

Salam Shopgirl,

Well tarafdor, no one is comparing Islam with an Olympic marathon. And I am not calling everyone a wahabi or a fanatic.

Mda....did not know that I'd meet Islamic fanatics in here.
S vami obsujdat etu temu daje ne stoit. Vam che nibud obyasni ili dokaji. Samoe glavnoe, chto bi dusha bila chista.

Maroon

08-22-2004, 12:14 PM

tarafdor first of all you should have read what I said. Secondly, i did say that they are fanatics in here but I do not call everyone a fanatic or a wahabi who is religious, I call those who go too far and some of you in my opinion here are going too far.Mda...da uj ne volnuesya ya chitau vse before I write. Maybe my writing was not clear to you. :rolleyes:

Cheers!

Fallen Angel

08-22-2004, 12:25 PM

voyboo ... hurmatli 'fallen'(you are really fallen) honim afandi , jaa bunchalik onsongina qizishavermang islomni en onson sanalgan amallarini rioya qilishga chaqirgan odamni korganingizda.qiziq dinga berilib ketganlarni 'extremist va voxobiylar' deydigan shahslarning ozlari qanday odamlar ekan ?unday deyishadigan bolishsa unda ayting ularga topa-togri bu qoidalarni chiqiargan ve amal qilishga hukum qilgan allohni ozini shunday deb atab qoya qolishsin('extremist va voxobiy') uni bandalarni emas.
Ahir chiqagon kabi bandlarda nima ayb bor agar allohni ozi ularga shu ishlarni qilishga hukum qilgan bolsa?

Administrator you don't have a right to judge me, whether I am really fallen or whatever, I think it's not of your business.
Hamma narsani chegarasi bor, man shaxsan uzim dinni xurmat qilaman,uzim dinga berilmagan bulsam ham. Dinga berilgan odamlarga xech qanday qarshiligim yuq, lekin boshqalarga aql urgatishga, boshqa insonlarning fikrlari sizga tugri kelmasa ularni kofirchilik va haromchilikda ayblashga va uz dune qarashlaryizni qabul qilishga majburlash xaqini sizga xech kim hukum bergani yuq,tushunarli mi?
Shaxsan mani xaqimda siznin fikringiz bir tyinga teng.Obsujdenie zakrito.
Addio!

tarafdor

08-24-2004, 02:07 AM

Administrator you don't have a right to judge me, whether I am really fallen or whatever, I think it's not of your business.
Hamma narsani chegarasi bor, man shaxsan uzim dinni xurmat qilaman,uzim dinga berilmagan bulsam ham. Dinga berilgan odamlarga xech qanday qarshiligim yuq, lekin boshqalarga aql urgatishga, boshqa insonlarning fikrlari sizga tugri kelmasa ularni kofirchilik va haromchilikda ayblashga va uz dune qarashlaryizni qabul qilishga majburlash xaqini sizga xech kim hukum bergani yuq,tushunarli mi?
Shaxsan mani xaqimda siznin fikringiz bir tyinga teng.Obsujdenie zakrito.
Addio!
Ja seryezni qabul qilmanglar bir birlaringni, bunaqa oddiy forumda bir birmizni g'ajishga tayyormiz, haligi u hayot naroqda tursin. Ushanga kundan kun gadoy bulib ketayapmiz, hukumat boshqa narsani aytadi, hokim boshqa, mahaliy boshqaruvchilar esa boshqa. Keyin kritikani kutara bilish kerak. Shu forumda sizni tanbeh qilishsa bu yaxshi narsa, hech sizni yuzingizni kurmaydi, hech kim sizning kimligingiz aniq bumaydi, uyalishga hojat yuq. zato hayotda shu olingan tajribani qullaysiz. Yana uzingizga havola.

tarafdor

08-26-2004, 02:03 PM

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Revellers swim in tomato pulp during the annual 'Tomatina' (tomato fight) in the Mediterranean village of Bunyol, near Valencia, Spain August 25, 2004. The biggest tomato fight of the world takes place when the town erupts in a fiery blaze of tomato hurling on the last Wednesday of every August.
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Crowds of people pick up tomatoes to throw at each other during the annual 'tomatina' tomato fight fiesta in the village of Bunol, 50 kilometers outside Valencia, Wednesday August 25, 2004. Twenty thousand people took part in this year's tomato fight using up to 100 tons of ripe tomatoes. The tomato fiesta was started in Bunol in 1944 and is held annually.

And ...................................here's another world................
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Fallen Angel

08-26-2004, 02:36 PM

Ja seryezni qabul qilmanglar bir birlaringni, bunaqa oddiy forumda bir birmizni g'ajishga tayyormiz, haligi u hayot naroqda tursin. Ushanga kundan kun gadoy bulib ketayapmiz, hukumat boshqa narsani aytadi, hokim boshqa, mahaliy boshqaruvchilar esa boshqa. Keyin kritikani kutara bilish kerak. Shu forumda sizni tanbeh qilishsa bu yaxshi narsa, hech sizni yuzingizni kurmaydi, hech kim sizning kimligingiz aniq bumaydi, uyalishga hojat yuq. zato hayotda shu olingan tajribani qullaysiz. Yana uzingizga havola.
Tarafdor gapiyz tug'ri,lekin bu bu erdagi aql urgatayotgan,boshqalarni hukum qiladigan odamlarga tegishli manimcha.

Joha

08-26-2004, 03:29 PM

and in my opinion I can see some people who are indeed too motivated.

How much is not "too" much? Is it not an extremism when you make sure you wake up everyday 6 am in the morning in order to get to your job place in time just because boss/manager would not be happy if you are late? But we dont care to be late in face of GOD to pray?

Is it not "too much" when one goes to Disco till 4 am and drinks, smokes, spends money for nothing, when people in some countries are dying of not having a piece of bread and water?

Is it not "too much" that we start argueing about Islam, actions, obedience, taqwa of another person to GOD when we, ourselves, have not done a "bit"?

Or is it not "too much" to argue with the will and law of GOD, Creator of Everything and keep neglecting and denying his law and will by not obeying it? One know what would happen if you disobey your Father, but yet we do not "afraid" of GOD for our actions ...

lucky14

08-26-2004, 06:30 PM

You know while reading the thread postings, i all the time had this idea of whether any of the guys actively posting their messages about Shariath and everything have thought: "Why would so many women from Uzb and neighboring countries are working like prostitutes in the 'pure' muslim country like Saudi Arabia? Well, let's assume they put their wives at home forcing to cover head and whole budy and later entertain themselves with other muslim women, is that not SIN? Not because I am a female but I do support the freedom of choice in life things like choosing clothing, lifestyles. The religion is very important as well as the common sense and they both guide us throughout our each day.

Webbie

08-26-2004, 06:50 PM

. The religion is very important as well as the common sense and they both guide us throughout our each day.

Yes, thank you very much for these true words. Being a religious person is wonderful however one has to choose his ideas using common sense and try to combine both.

chicagoan

08-27-2004, 01:01 PM

Yes, thank you very much for these true words. Being a religious person is wonderful however one has to choose his ideas using common sense and try to combine both.
assalamu alaykum,

let me remind first of all one thing:

"common sense is not so common" and
"right things are not always popular, and popular things are not always right"

I think, the phrase "common sense" is completely wrong.

There is not even a clear definition. My research of linguistics has shown that language, words and phrases in particular, (such as "common sense") can be weapons to weaken the essence of human culture.

For instance, words "ibo", "sharm-hayo", "iffat" do not exist in many western languages, and if translated somehow they make people laugh.

so watch your mouth...

mr

Webbie

08-27-2004, 01:36 PM

assalamu alaykum,

let me remind first of all one thing:

"common sense is not so common" and
"right things are not always popular, and popular things are not always right"

I think, the phrase "common sense" is completely wrong.

There is not even a clear definition. My research of linguistics has shown that language, words and phrases in particular, (such as "common sense") can be weapons to weaken the essence of human culture.

For instance, words "ibo", "sharm-hayo", "iffat" do not exist in many western languages, and if translated somehow they make people laugh.

so watch your mouth...

mr

Dear chicagoan, if you do not wish to comprehend the phrase common sense you dont have to, a zamechaniya mne ne nado delat' (watch your mouth itd).

"The complement of those cognitions or convictions which we receive from nature, which all men possess in common, and by which they test the truth of knowledge and the morality of actions.'' Hamilton

Sincerely, WebGirl

chicagoan

08-27-2004, 01:47 PM

Dear chicagoan, if you do not wish to comprehend the phrase common sense you dont have to, a zamechaniya mne ne nado delat' (watch your mouth itd).

"The complement of those cognitions or convictions which we receive from nature, which all men possess in common, and by which they test the truth of knowledge and the morality of actions.'' Hamilton

Sincerely, WebGirl
salam,

voy, tegib kettimi?

Ho'p, Hamiltonni qabrida tinch qo'yingda, menga javob beringchi:

Sizi COMMON SENSIZGA ko'ra HOMOSEXUALITY ok mi?

yoki "Cohabitation before marriage" normalmi?

Forumda shuncha suhbatlar bo'ldi, hech ham COMMON SENSE ko'rinmadi?

COMMON BO'LGAN narsa bu ALLOHning qonunlari.

COMMON SENSE esa, KOFIR lingvistlar tarafidan, dinsiz ham, ALLOHsiz ham biz o'zaro muomalalarimizni COMMON SENSE asosida barpo qilaveramiz deb odamlarni aldab yurish uchun o'ylab topilgan.

After all, common sense is not so common. Furthermore, common sense here is not common sense there, and common sense today is no more tomorrow.

Then why we all RELY more on COMMON SENSE than ALLAH's words that don't change with time and place?

Why?

*************************************************
Yo Alloh, qachon biz insonlarni ko'zimiz ochiladi? Bu qalblar qachon nuringga to'yadi?

Yo Olloh!

mr

chicagoan

08-27-2004, 01:50 PM

Yes, thank you very much for these true words. Being a religious person is wonderful however one has to choose his ideas using common sense and try to combine both.
and....how do you combine one thing that clearly exists with one that does not?

mr

Webbie

08-27-2004, 02:11 PM

Ok, then are suicide bombers that kill themselves and others in Allah's name sinless??? are they using common sense???? :?

chicagoan

08-27-2004, 03:13 PM

Ok, then are suicide bombers that kill themselves and others in Allah's name sinless??? are they using common sense???? :?
assalamu alaykum,

now we r talking...hm.

The USA has close to half a million troops located around the world, and they are pushing their agenda by force, everywhere. Killing in thousands and driving people out from their homes by millions.

Do not go far, in 2nd Iraq war, just civilian casualty is estimated minimum 50 000.

And if a desperate person blows himself up to revenge - and kills few (maybe 3-30, no more) - HE IS a muslim TERRORIST. Somehow, they (KUFFAR) even find EVIDENCE, like a letter from the suicide bomber, or like in 911 Tower Crushes, PASSPORT (!!!!) of a suicide hijacker!!!!!

Look, since the beginning of IRAQ war II, all the suicide bombers and insurgents killed only around 1000 US soldiers, who were, in Pentagon language, on service tour! In reality, killing, maiming, humiliating Iraqis, raping men, women, and children...

Things are very easy to manipulate. A bomb of a size of a pen is enough to blow up a bus, and moreover they are remotely controlled now.

Imagine a scenario:

A school girl, muslim, boards a bus. At the bus stop, an unknown person, drops into her backpack a small item (remotely controlled bomb), and later remotely explodes it. There you go! Another suicide bomber story. Now try to prove that the girl NEVER had in mind such a mission.

Don't easily accept all THEY KUFFAR tell you over CNN, BBC.

Analyze, think. Webgirlie, soddaginam.

mr

tarafdor

08-27-2004, 04:08 PM

Ok, then are suicide bombers that kill themselves and others in Allah's name sinless??? are they using common sense???? :?
COMMON SENSE IN PICTURES.

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Palestinians demonstrate in the West Bank city of Ramallah during a march in support of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel.

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A Palestinian child is rushed into a hospital in Rafah, south of Gaza Strip, after he was wounded in an Israeli helicopter strike. A senior Islamic Jihad leader and six other people were wounded in the strike.
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A US Bradley fighting vehicle stands guard in front of destroyed buildings near the shrine of Imam Ali in Najaf

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A Palestinian youth climbs on the eight-meter high separation wall during a protest against the controversial Israeli security barrier in East Jerusalem August 27, 2004.

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A Palestinian boy holds a banner in front of the separation wall during a protest against the controversial Israeli security barrier in East Jerusalem August 27, 2004

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A relative of Palestinian Jadou Al-Kurd, 70, cries in the family house during his funeral at Rafah refugee camp, southern of Gaza Strip Friday, Aug 27, 2004.

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45-year-old Palestinian Fuad Al-Kurd is wheeled into the hospital in the Southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah Thursday Aug. 26, 2004

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U.S. Army Bradley armored vehicle of the 1st Cavalry division guards a street leading from the cemetery to Najaf's Imam Ali shrine August 27, 2004.

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A US soldier stands in front of destroyed buildings in the Old City of Najaf near the Imam Ali shrine.

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An Iraqi boy stands near a burning oil pipeline near the city of Baquba, north of Baghdad August 27, 2004.

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COULD WE DO THE SAME IN THEIR CITIES AND CHURCHES?
ONLY FOR THOSE 3,500 PEOPLE WHO DIED IN 9/11 2001, THEY INVADED IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN, KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE, MILLIONS BECAME REFUGEES. AND THEY TEACH US TO BE TOLERANT AND TERORRIST.

IT COULD HAPPEN THAT WHILE YOU'RE READING THIS POST YOUR LIFE COULD COME TO THE END. SO SEIZE THE CHANCE GIVEN BY ALLAH SWT AND BE IN THE RIGHT PATH.

Maroon

08-27-2004, 06:42 PM

Yo people! Vse! Peace! \/ ;).

With love,

Durdik.

Webbie

08-27-2004, 09:18 PM

assalamu alaykum,

now we r talking...hm.

The USA has close to half a million troops located around the world, and they are pushing their agenda by force, everywhere. Killing in thousands and driving people out from their homes by millions.

Do not go far, in 2nd Iraq war, just civilian casualty is estimated minimum 50 000.

Ok, i never defended US, I agree with you on this one

And if a desperate person blows himself up to revenge - and kills few (maybe 3-30, no more) - HE IS a muslim TERRORIST. Somehow, they (KUFFAR) even find EVIDENCE, like a letter from the suicide bomber, or like in 911 Tower Crushes, PASSPORT (!!!!) of a suicide hijacker!!!!!

But the thing is he kills opyat taki lets go to our main dicussion (not USA, nor 9/11)

Look, since the beginning of IRAQ war II, all the suicide bombers and insurgents killed only around 1000 US soldiers, who were, in Pentagon language, on service tour! In reality, killing, maiming, humiliating Iraqis, raping men, women, and children...

Things are very easy to manipulate. A bomb of a size of a pen is enough to blow up a bus, and moreover they are remotely controlled now.

Imagine a scenario:

A school girl, muslim, boards a bus. At the bus stop, an unknown person, drops into her backpack a small item (remotely controlled bomb), and later remotely explodes it. There you go! Another suicide bomber story. Now try to prove that the girl NEVER had in mind such a mission.

Dear chicagoan, one may not know anything until he sees it. Vi podhodite ko vsemu tol'ko s odnoy storoni (religious, conservative). Try to analyze some things from a different side

Don't easily accept all THEY KUFFAR tell you over CNN, BBC.

I dont...

Analyze, think. Webgirlie, soddaginam.

mr

Oh i always do :)

With respect, WEbgirl

tarafdor

08-27-2004, 10:00 PM

"The complement of those cognitions or convictions which we receive from nature, which all men possess in common, and by which they test the truth of knowledge and the morality of actions.'' Hamilton

Salam Webqizcha,

Hope you're doing well.

We believe whatever CNN/BBC/Fox and other western news channels bring us, but we're questioning Allah's words from Quran. To look as a modern, secular and educated we try to back our statements by western born philosophers and tank thinkers' quotations using our time searching by net or books. And never try to open Holy Quran and to find wht Allah says about that issue.
Who knows what's happening with Hamilton's dead body in his graveyard. And it's better for us to support our statements to attach some verses from Holy Quran. This is the words of Allah.
We used to spend alot of time in front of TV just to watch dramas or anything else but never think to spend 30 minutes daily to read holy Quran.
Ok, then are suicide bombers that kill themselves and others in Allah's name sinless???
This is a very good question mostly asked by non-moslems in order to character Islam as a violent religion. By reading Quran you will easily find why those men sacrifing themselves. Are they right or wrong? But insh'allah I will come to this issue later. We need to discuss about Jihad in Islam.

Wish you alot of happiness.

Regards.

Webbie

08-28-2004, 07:15 AM

Dear tarafdor, if I dont base my answers on Allah's words, doesnt mean that i'm not muslim.......just simply I have liberal points of views...

Sincerely, WEBgirl

tarafdor

08-28-2004, 08:02 AM

Dear tarafdor, if I dont base my answers on Allah's words, doesnt mean that i'm not muslim.......just simply I have liberal points of views... Sincerely, WEBgirl
Salam dear Webgirl,

I got your point, and here's my arguments. In your view if someone will give verses from Quran is he old radical with stupid world-outlook? Comme on. Why you people used to label eveybody who's religious with this trash staff.
What's to be liberal?... To speak whatever comes to your mouth, wear jeans, sport shoes, to go discos, visit cozy places, parties, monthly hair cut at the most expensive barber, listen to modern world music, drive expensive cars, to study in European and American most prestigious universties, speak english, use english words in your daily conversation? THIS IS LIBERAL WAY OF LIFE. What if a person who's religious had almost everything from the above mentioned? Then......please explain me briefly whats to liberal?

Regards and peace

Maroon

08-28-2004, 08:29 AM

May I answer that question?

Driving expensive cars, going to the most prestigious universities, going to parties has nothing to do with liberality. This is a way of life people have if they can afford it.

Liberal means: ''Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.''

A liberal person, will have a normal attitude towards homo-sexuality, sex before marriage, open for new ideas and etc.

Having fancy stuff and living fancy and posh has nothing absolutetly to with liberalism and a ''liberal way of life'' .
Please do not mix that up.

Cheers.

tarafdor

08-28-2004, 09:16 AM

Salam Shopgirl,

Thanks alot. Actually I expected to receive Web's reply but anyway here's my post to you. Actually you're just ignoring facts that were debated with me and Web and rushing to give your opinion even not going into details carefully to have at least basic understanding about this matter. And the things will show you that again you're wrong with your verdict.
1. Web says
if I dont base my answers on Allah's words, doesnt mean that i'm not muslim.......just simply I have liberal points of views..If you'll attend english school, will you speak french to improve your english. No way. you'll speak what your mind will have at this moment. If you're moslem, and believe to God, angels, prophets and other basic tenants, you will think about the Almighty every second, cuz this short life could end anytime if there's his will. Muslim believes in the timeless knowledge of Allah (http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/quran/the-miracle/an-introduction-to-islam-for-non-muslims/who_is_allah.html#The Word) and in His power to plan and execute His Will. Nothing is possible without His decree. Every thing we do or happens in this life is decreed by Allah (http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/quran/the-miracle/an-introduction-to-islam-for-non-muslims/who_is_allah.html#The Word) and written in His book.
Being moslem but at the same ignoring shariat and wishing to have free life as liberals, so you're just confusing yourself. There is should be limit. You need to choose on of the roads, otherwise every actions by moslems not practicing shariat could lead to misunderstanding by non-moslem about Islam at all. And your definition of liberal...

Liberal means: ''Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.'' Well, if it's difficult to leave your preciuos and enjoyable life, sacrifing your hobbies, friedns, surroundings etc just to live in Islam, it's up to you, anyway all pop stars, singers, presidents left everything behind including their beloved life. You're just manipulating with these words nothing more.
A liberal person, will have a normal attitude towards homo-sexuality, sex before marriage, open for new ideas and etc.Astag'firulloh. Auzibilloh.. QAYERGA BORAYAPMIZ??? Being liberal how you can claim that you're sincere moslem. So Web with liberal definitions brought us by Shopgirl could we call any person having manners of the above mentioned liberal as a moslem?

Regards

Webbie

08-28-2004, 10:24 AM

Salam dear Webgirl,

I got your point, and here's my arguments. In your view if someone will give verses from Quran is he old radical with stupid world-outlook? Comme on. Why you people used to label eveybody who's religious with this trash staff.
What's to be liberal?... To speak whatever comes to your mouth, wear jeans, sport shoes, to go discos, visit cozy places, parties, monthly hair cut at the most expensive barber, listen to modern world music, drive expensive cars, to study in European and American most prestigious universties, speak english, use english words in your daily conversation? THIS IS LIBERAL WAY OF LIFE. What if a person who's religious had almost everything from the above mentioned? Then......please explain me briefly whats to liberal?

Regards and peace

Dear tarafdor, if living a fancy life is liberality for you than i even have no comments...you totally misuderstood me.

Webgirl