YOUTH & RELIGION

[tarafdor]

Ironically, just as a youth is inclined towards rebellion and sins, and is caught up in lustful desires, at the same time he experiences a strong God-Seeking urge in himself. Although in youth, all emotions are new and active, as soon as he reaches adulthood, his sense of religiousness awakens, since every youth is bestowed with a divine innate nature.

When a teenager is nearing adolescence, and adulthood, along with the growth of his physical strength, the seeds of faith and conscience begin to sprout in him and his inborn urge of faith and morality are strongly awakened. Studies show that the urge for religiousness begins at the age of 12 and in normal healthy people, faith in eternal truth and the urge to worship are strengthened as they grow up.

Regarding the above mentioned should our teenagers be very religious or not?

[PainKiller]

Ironically, just as a youth is inclined towards rebellion and sins, and is caught up in lustful desires, at the same time he experiences a strong God-Seeking urge in himself. Although in youth, all emotions are new and active, as soon as he reaches adulthood, his sense of religiousness awakens, since every youth is bestowed with a divine innate nature.

When a teenager is nearing adolescence, and adulthood, along with the growth of his physical strength, the seeds of faith and conscience begin to sprout in him and his inborn urge of faith and morality are strongly awakened. Studies show that the urge for religiousness begins at the age of 12 and in normal healthy people, faith in eternal truth and the urge to worship are strengthened as they grow up.

Regarding the above mentioned should our teenagers be very religious or not? off top. y did u sign out? come back!!!:evil:

[Mubina]

Regarding the above mentioned should our teenagers be very religious or not?


Our teenagers should understand their religion completely before being religious,

I met a lot of youth people who concern themselves as a very religious but at the same time ignore some points of Islam.

My answer is that everyone should be religious in all meanings of this word.

Wassalam,
MBN

[Maroon]

Everyone has a choice. If they want to be religious they should, if not then not. Every individual should choose their own path in life. Basta.

Cheers.

[Sayyoh]

Shopping girl, the problem here is that one can choose to be or not to be religious when he is given those choices! and Islam is presented to them as is! When they're not persecuted for praying five times a day and adhering to the other pillars of this the ONLY TRUE RELIGION OF ALLAH SWT!

My point is: The youth is to choose to be or not be religious AFTER studying the religion, i.e. ISLAM! Only after that should they make the choise, as you put it.

Btw, Islam is all about the freedom of choice. If I am not mistaken there is an ayah - la ikroha fid-diiin. (I apologize for not giving the surah and ayah number) The translation of this ayah is - there is no compulsion in religion (i.e. Islam).

Muhammad :saw: has said: Teach people Islam! Share its basics and values! Pray for those! Yet do not think you will lead them to Islam, for that capacity is Alllah swt's alone! Explain, teach, no force at all, say assalamu alaykum and leave!

HERE! THIS IS THE CHOICE you are referring to.

:salam:

[Maroon]

Sayyoh, I got your point. And surely in a way you are right, but nowadays most of the youth won't study Islam. The truth is, they have other things in mind than studying the whole religion and then choosing their path.

Sad, but true.

Take care.

P.S. I AM SHOPGIRL AND NOT SHOPPING GIRL. ;)

[Fallen Angel]

My answer is that everyone should be religious in all meanings of this word.

MBN
Your verdict to the humanity? that is the personal choice of everyone. To be or not to be? eternal question.

[Sayyoh]

"Fallen Angel
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Where are you located again? :?

[Sayyoh]

Sayyoh, I got your point. And surely in a way you are right, but nowadays most of the youth won't study Islam. The truth is, they have other things in mind than studying the whole religion and then choosing their path.

Sad, but true.

Take care.

P.S. I AM SHOPGIRL AND NOT SHOPPING GIRL. ;) yes, Shopper girl, sad but true :cry:

btw, did YOU study it?! did YOU make your choice?..

:salam:

[Maroon]

I was waiting for you all my life Suyyohcha. You are the ONE, the only ONE who can teach me. :twisted:

[Joha]

Assalamau Alaykum to muslim brothers and sisters,

Pathetic tries to disguise islam with trash, and putting Democracy and Liberalism above it. It is the same as to Farmer talking about Quantum Physics and trying to explain everyone that it's useless. Well in some way it's true, because it is useless to Farmer?!?! I think Islam is useless to some of our users as they are not willing to learn it at least to the extend that the argument they are bringing would not look as stupid as of the Farmers' about Quantum physics.

Webgirl, Shopgirl: Do you consider yourself muslim? Hell NO! tell me where it is allowed for a muslim girl to drink alcohol, clothe herself half naked or the basic of 5 pillars: Not To Pray?????? Well my verdict of base of Islam you are not muslim. I am not saying these out of personal hate or etc. This is a "LIBERAL" desicion drawn out of Islam rules. In Islam if person do not accept any part of it it is counted as person not being a Muslim. So if you answer to any following questions with NO. Then congratulations you do not need to talk about this subject, as it would not affect you, because you wont be a muslim.

1) Do you Fast during Ramadhan month?
2) Do you Pray 5 times a day?
3) Do you hide your Awrah (Awrah - forbidden part of the body of Men and Women, for women it is all parts of body except Face and Palms, for Men it;s between Navel and Knees)

[Maroon]

Da Joha ti prav, ya soglasno s toboy na vse 100%. Ya ne istinnaya musilmanka , I do not follow the rules, I do not pray, I do not wear the hijab, I do not fast. The only thing I do is believe in God and that is more important for ME than all of these things mentioned above.

But, who said I could not talk about this subject? I have the right to talk about any subject I wish to may you like it or not.

Udachi tebe.

P.S Indeed, this is getting too personal.''Passion of Joha'' nazivaetsya.

[Fallen Angel]

Assalamau Alaykum to muslim brothers and sisters,

Pathetic tries to disguise islam with trash, and putting Democracy and Liberalism above it. It is the same as to Farmer talking about Quantum Physics and trying to explain everyone that it's useless. Well in some way it's true, because it is useless to Farmer?!?! I think Islam is useless to some of our users as they are not willing to learn it at least to the extend that the argument they are bringing would not look as stupid as of the Farmers' about Quantum physics.

Webgirl, Shopgirl: Do you consider yourself muslim? Hell NO! tell me where it is allowed for a muslim girl to drink alcohol, clothe herself half naked or the basic of 5 pillars: Not To Pray?????? Well my verdict of base of Islam you are not muslim. I am not saying these out of personal hate or etc. This is a "LIBERAL" desicion drawn out of Islam rules. In Islam if person do not accept any part of it it is counted as person not being a Muslim. So if you answer to any following questions with NO. Then congratulations you do not need to talk about this subject, as it would not affect you, because you wont be a muslim.

1) Do you Fast during Ramadhan month?
2) Do you Pray 5 times a day?
3) Do you hide your Awrah (Awrah - forbidden part of the body of Men and Women, for women it is all parts of body except Face and Palms, for Men it;s between Navel and Knees)

Interesno a ti sam s kakix por takim svyatim stal? I wonder who authorized you to judge the others and to decide who is able to discuss this issue and who is not? And on who's behalf are you are you considering
muslim and pseudomulsims?
My best wishes in your further religious education, but do it for yourself, there is no need to teach the others how to live. I think that everyone should be responsible for his life and actions himself

[Sayyoh]

S.Girl, F.Angel,

well, brother Joha is trying to get his point across and trying to tell you two to study, research into and learn Islam.

IMHO, @ least...

[Maroon]

Suyyohcha, no offence, nu pust' sam sidit i uchit. Chestno govorya mne ne interestno che etot chelovek govorit i chto on govorit v moyu storonu.

Omad.

[Sayyoh]

Sh.Girl, ne, ne... Norm, kakoy offence... it's all good...

[Webbie]

[font=Tahoma]Regarding the above mentioned should our teenagers be very religious or not?

WEll, i agree with Shopgirl, I think everyone has their own choice.
I also think that young people (under 10 or 8) would not fully understand religion but simply follow it just because they were said so. they SHOULD study religion but not bury themselves in it. When they grow up, become mature enough to fully comprehend the values, principles of religion togda oni mogut sdelat svoy vibor...

Sincerely, WebGIrl...

[Fallen Angel]

S.Girl, F.Angel,

well, brother Joha is trying to get his point across and trying to tell you two to study, research into and learn Islam.

IMHO, @ least...
Sorry my current research area is much far away from islam and I had enough studies in my life.

[Wolfman]

Assalamu alaykum!

Bu yerdagi postlarni o'qib bir fikrga keldim. Islom haqida og'iz ochilganda ayrimlar tutaqib ketib, nasihat qilgan kishiga tashlanmoqda, bu oddiy hol. Insonga tanlash imkoniyati berilgan.
Hadis bo'yicha, bizning ummatimizdan hammasi jannatga kiradi-hohlamaganlaridan tashqari. Jannatni hohlamaydiganlar bular Alloh SWT va uning rasuliga SAV itoat qilmaydiganlar...
Ah yana bir gap, do'zax ahlining ko'pchilik qismini ayollar tashkil etadi...

Stan from South Park

[tarafdor]

Hadis bo'yicha, bizning ummatimizdan hammasi jannatga kiradi-hohlamaganlaridan tashqari. Jannatni hohlamaydiganlar bular Alloh SWT va uning rasuliga SAV itoat qilmaydiganlar...Qoyile Espace. Juda ham sodda qilib hech narsa emasdek tuyiladi sizga. Endi ja hammasi emasde. Sizningcha juda ham yengil jazo bo'lsa kerak bu Ollohga itoat qilmaydiganlar, ja kamaytirmang hohlamaydiganlar deb. Olloh'ga itoat qilmagan bu musulmon emas. Olloh'ga itoat qilmaganlar Fir'avun yonidan joy olishadi, shayton bilan birga olovda yonadi. Umuman bilmayman nima buladi itoat qilmaganlar ahvoli....Olloh ularni hidoyatga chaqirsin, omin.




PEOPLE OF ISLAMIC UMMA READ THESE VERSES VERY CAREFULLY, MAYBE LAST CHANCE GIVEN TO YOU, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG YOU'LL LIVE FROM NOW. DON'T BE IN SAME POSITION OF PHARAON TO ALLAH. OTHERWISE FIRE WILL BE YOUR LAST DESTINATION.



These are the laws of God. Whoever obeys God and His Messenger will be admitted to the gardens wherein streams flow and wherein they will live forever. This is the greatest triumph (4:13).
Whoever disobeys God and His Messenger and breaks His rules will be admitted to the fire wherein they will live forever, suffering a humiliating torment. (4:14)

One who obeys God and the Messenger is the friend of the Prophets, saints, martyrs, and the righteous ones to whom God has granted His favors. They are the best friends that one can have (4:69).

One who obeys the Messenger has certainly obeyed God. You have not been sent to watch over those who turn away from you (4:80).

If you turn away (from Our laws), know that the duty of the Messenger is only to preach in clear words. (5:92)

Believers, obey God and His Messengers and do not turn away from Him when you hear (His commands) (8:20).
Believers, listen to God and the Messengers when they call you to that which gives you life. Know that God is between a man and his heart and that before Him you will all be brought together (8:24).

do'zax ahlining ko'pchilik qismini ayollar tashkil etadiBu aniq narsam chunki shaytonga yaqin bo'ladi. Ushbu forumdajuda ham achinarli bir voqeaga guvoh bo'ldim, bolalardan ko'ra bizning o'zbek qizlarimiz, hech kim bizni Islomda yashashimizga majburlamaydi deb, Islomni o'z istaklaricha tanqid qilishayapti, istaganicha o'zi bilmagan holda kuffarlarcha uni oyoq osti qildi. Insholloh bu qisqa umrdan keyin u yerdagi savol javobda shu tillarini qizigan chug'ga bir botirib olishgandan so'ng, savol javobni davom etirishadi.

FIR'AVUN HAM QARSHI CHIQDI, QIZIL DENGIZDA CHUKADIGAN PAYTI OLLOH'DAN TOVBA SURADI. O'ZIM TUQQAN BALOGA QAYGA BORAY DAVOGA...

[Sayyoh]

Assalamu alaykum!

Bu yerdagi postlarni o'qib bir fikrga keldim. Islom haqida og'iz ochilganda ayrimlar tutaqib ketib, nasihat qilgan kishiga tashlanmoqda, bu oddiy hol. Insonga tanlash imkoniyati berilgan.
Hadis bo'yicha, bizning ummatimizdan hammasi jannatga kiradi-hohlamaganlaridan tashqari. Jannatni hohlamaydiganlar bular Alloh SWT va uning rasuliga SAV itoat qilmaydiganlar...
Ah yana bir gap, do'zax ahlining ko'pchilik qismini ayollar tashkil etadi...

Stan from South Park :salam: yes, there is such a hadith!

[Sayyoh]

Sorry my current research area is much far away from islam and I had enough studies in my life. F.Angel, i'd drop anything of whatsoever importance just to study Islam! I advise you to do so as well, for the day of judgement is soon!.. you may laugh at me or you may not! but the day is close!!!

btw, why F.Angel???

[tarafdor]

Interesno a ti sam s kakix por takim svyatim stal? I wonder who authorized you to judge the others and to decide who is able to discuss this issue and who is not? And on who's behalf are you are you considering
muslim and pseudomulsims? My best wishes in your further religious education, but do it for yourself, there is no need to teach the others how to live. I think that everyone should be responsible for his life and actions himselfDear Fallen,

I'm afraid that you'll be really fallen in the Doomsday regarding the above written post. Why you're rushing to every post with baseless statements? Just read what Joha posted then analyse then think then check then post it. Since this is religious room you need respect others too, I mean moslems. If you're non-moslem just let us know in order to avoid future clashes. We need to know what religion do you practice, and to reply with appropriate issues and materials. Just look through the below written post and find whether he's wrong in his post. Since we're moslems we'd to defend Islam from trash coming outside and prove that Islam isn't so violent and terrorising religion as you think.
Webgirl, Shopgirl: Do you consider yourself muslim? Hell NO! tell me where it is allowed for a muslim girl to drink alcohol, clothe herself half naked or the basic of 5 pillars: Not To Pray?????? Well my verdict of base of Islam you are not muslim. I am not saying these out of personal hate or etc. This is a "LIBERAL" desicion drawn out of Islam rules. In Islam if person do not accept any part of it it is counted as person not being a Muslim. So if you answer to any following questions with NO. Then congratulations you do not need to talk about this subject, as it would not affect you, because you wont be a muslim.
1) Do you Fast during Ramadhan month?
2) Do you Pray 5 times a day?
3) Do you hide your Awrah (Awrah - forbidden part of the body of Men and Women, for women it is all parts of body except Face and Palms, for Men it;s between Navel and Knees)How many YES do you have for every asked question? So by reading this post you FALLEN should have some questions that you'll definetely will post. Well, if you like to drink alcohol, being half naked, not fasting, praying, not fulfilling basic tenans of Islam, YOU'RE NOT MOSLEM then CHALLENGE ISLAM WITH ANY QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL ANSWER TO IT. It will be fairy and open debate then attacking from back side. It's very difficult when you don't know who's your enemy and where's he is.
The disbelievers will be driven to hell in hordes. Its gates will be opened when they are brought nearby and the keepers will ask them, "Did Messengers from your own people not come to you to recite your Lord's revelations and to warn you about this day?" They will reply, "Yes, the Messengers did come to us, but the unbelievers were doomed to face the torment" (39:71).
They will be told, "Enter the gates of hell to live therein forever. What a terrible dwelling for the arrogant ones!" (39:72).


Anyway regards and peace

[Maroon]

F.Angel, i'd drop anything of whatsoever importance just to study Islam! I advise you to do so as well, for the day of judgement is soon!.. you may laugh at me or you may not! but the day is close!!!

btw, why F.Angel???

Kogda? Mojet bit skajej? Mne interestno. Approx.skaji. Ti sam sebe vivod sdelal from analyzing the Koran or are you of holy person with a gift? :?

Ya serezno, da. Ne prikolivaus.

[Fallen Angel]

Dear Taraf,

even though i have many questions, I don't see the point to discuss it with you here,coz non of yr words or the others would convince me to change my attitude to life, my way of life and beliefs. So just enjoy your life,whatever you do.
regards!

[Fallen Angel]

F.Angel, i'd drop anything of whatsoever importance just to study Islam! I advise you to do so as well, for the day of judgement is soon!.. you may laugh at me or you may not! but the day is close!!!

btw, why F.Angel???
Da? podskaji datu please, chtob ya chemodan slojit' uspela.
Just FA.

[Maroon]

Can I just enoy life now? Because if the end is coming soon, the only thing I personally have left to do is just enjoy the dolce vita.

Fallen, nu ti i tak uje sobiraesh. Videsh kak ti pochustvovala.;)

Cheers.

[Alouddin]

:salam: This is Observer, a.k.a. moderator!

Ladies ["Fallen Angel", Shopgirl], from what I understand you two are keen to mocking those who are trying to help you guys out - Joha and Tarafdor [by the way, whose side???] at least. I cannot accept such an attitude towards my religion and its bases. I'm gonna have to warn you two if such a thing continues to happen ahead. I know - you two won't lose anything! You won't be offended! You won't feel hurt! And that's absolutely fine! What's gonna happen is you two will continue visiting your MDN, and maybe even talking there how "bad those Muslims over there are"! That's absolutely fine, for each of us will be held responsible for each action, deed and word!

On the other hand, we are gonna lose two ladies who are interested [?] in Islam, yet failed to show that and mocked Islam and those adhereing to it... That's gonna be a loss! I'm telling you, that's gonna be a loss, for the Muslims are to apply every effort to spread the Kalomulloh, i.e. the Quran, via whatever means they come across.

Yet, Allah swt knows best what's in our hearts. So, pls ladies do behave, for this is a culture board as well. I'm not saying that you are uncutured, but one cannot name ur actions cultured either.

Peace upon you two and may Allah swt guide as all to His straight path so find eternal joy and fun in Al-Jannah. Can I just enoy life now? Because if the end is coming soon, the only thing I personally have left to do is just enjoy the dolce vita. see the previous sentence.

:salam: to the rest

p/s It might so that I'll be seeing you two in different parts of the forum and have fun! But I don't want you to think I am being a hypocrit!!! Because saying such stuff here and playing alone there! I'm just calling you two to be more respectful to this religion (and all the rest for that matter), and that's it! Nothing personal, no offence intended! See you both and everyone else again (whether in this board or any other within forum.uz)

[fox]

Observer, how come do you give warnings to the users on religious basis? Did they swear or break any rule?

You guys chose an excellent way of educating ppl by asking them to f... off. That's the way you teach Islam (i mean Observer and Joha)? Why don't you catch them and torture them? Cut their fingers off and force to pray?

If you cannot teach Islam in peaceful and effective manner, please don't do it. Let their parents or friends to do it. You are not able to unfold the complexities of the religion so the ppl can understand them. Moreover, as far as i know, Islam requires sincerety in faith. If one starts commiting 5 pillars of Islam because Joha or Observer can ban him/her, he/she cannot be considred a "true muslim". If you devoted yourself into teache, please be patient, peaceful and more open.

[Fallen Angel]

Dear Observer, no action was undertaken with intend to humilate Islam or the feelings of other participants here. Moreover, as you can see in all our posts, that we both respect islam as a great religion, muslim culture and traditions, even though have a different approach to the religious issues.

I see no ground for your words, concluding that we have negative attitude to the muslims, which is absolutely false interpretation of our posts. And the fact that we are not always serious and our points of view differ from the others' here is not a reason for undertaking such measures as ban and warnings,as no rules of the forum had been violated. If you are authorized for moderating this thread it doesn't mean that you have a right to undertake administrative measures against views differing from your personal.
Anyway, as you've already mentioned, we'll not loose a lot. Go ahead if you want, but don't state that we are humilating islam.

buona fortuna!

ps. "you may laugh at me or you may not! but the day is close!!!"
I think you've missed Sayohh's words to us. So take it easier, Mr.moderator

[Alouddin]

Fox,

I am not planning to give ANY warnings! as of yet at least! that's one. second, i said i am gonna HAVE TO warn IF mocking (!) continues! see the difference, dude? it's all about behavior! I don't care whether they're Muslim or not! I respect Christianity, for instance, and DEMAND the same in return!

Hope I could make clear that it's all about behavior and not the religion they practice. Why don't you catch them and torture them? Cut their fingers off and force to pray? bc that's not how Islam works... simple as is: Islam=Peace! There is an ayah in the quran which reads that there is no compulsion in religion. It's all about intention and belief! If I'd do what you told me to do the rank of Muslims would NOT be expanded by two Muslimas! And [i]I'd get my butt busted for that!

clear now?!

[Maroon]

:salam: This is Observer, a.k.a. moderator!

Ladies ["Fallen Angel", Shopgirl], from what I understand you two are keen to mocking those who are trying to help you guys out - Joha and Tarafdor [by the way, whose side???] at least. I cannot accept such an attitude towards my religion and its bases. I'm gonna have to warn you two if such a thing continues to happen ahead. )

You can not accept such an attitude towards the (it is not only yours) religion and that is why you give us a warning?Because our opinion does not match ours?Are you telling us that if our opinion does not match yours we do not have right to write in here. This is a open place for discussion for everyone may the be religious or not every individual has the right to leave his/her opinion on the subject. I am not mocking anyone, I am answering to the questions that have been asked. Joha is trying to help me?U must be kidding me. I do not see anything about him being helpful, I think he is the one who is mocking me. Observer you should be objective towards things like that, vse taki ti moderator. And frankly, you are not being objective at all, which is big minus for yourself and future life. If I break any rule or insult someone in the most worse ways, sure go on give me a ban but I have not broken any rule except giving my point of view.


On the other hand, we are gonna lose two ladies who are interested [?] in Islam, yet failed to show that and mocked Islam and those adhereing to it... That's gonna be a loss! I'm telling you, that's gonna be a loss, for the Muslims are to apply every effort to spread the Kalomulloh, i.e. the Quran, via whatever means they come across. )

If you want to spread Kalomulloh, you do it the right way, the peaceful way and have patience. Rabotaete nad soboy, i potom mojno sidit i uchit drugih. Potomu chto if you take everything too personal which I can see some are doing you will spend your whole life just wasting your nervs.

You are getting too personal. I mne ochen' jal' chto eto tak. Nado uvajat everyone opinions even though you may not like it.


Yet, Allah swt knows best what's in our hearts. So, pls ladies do behave, for this is a culture board as well. I'm not saying that you are uncutured, but one cannot name ur actions cultured either. )

What actions? I do not think they were ''uncultured''. Zdes ne materili ne grubili. Prosto otvechali.

I nashi otveti Sayyohu bili shutya. Izvini, esli ti ne ponimaesh nashi shutki.

Cheers.

[fox]

Observer, I do not see any signs of mocking here. All i see here is a bunch of ppl willing to talk, to discuss. Anyone who studies any religion has some questions, own opinions and ideas. And as far as i know, this board was created to ask those questions, write down their opinion on subject, etc.

I face this case everywhere. Any time i ask a question which is new for me, and which is considered "stupid" in Muslim world, i'm confronted with an horde of "geniuses of Islam", fresh from the recent reading of Koran, informing me that i'm the enemy of Islam. How come? What i want to say is, you should explain a person "what is what", whatever stupid the question was.

Things in the religion are generally subjective and the perception differs for every given individual.

[Alouddin]

You can not accept such an attitude towards the (it is not only yours) religion and that is why you give us a warning? yes, disrespect - yes! Because our opinion does not match ours?Are you telling us that if our opinion does not match yours we do not have right to write in here. you understand perfectly well that that is NOT what i meant! This is a open place for discussion for everyone may the be religious or not every individual has the right to leave his/her opinion on the subject. you gave a correct defition! bravo! I am not mocking anyone, I am answering to the questions that have been asked. I must have made a mistake then. I apologize. Joha is trying to help me? that's what I think [qutoe]U must be kidding me.[/quote] i don't kid when such matters are concerned I do not see anything about him being helpful, I think he is the one who is mocking me. that is not so. at least i think it is not so. and as you said everyone's got right to have a personal opinion - and i respect that - so youi have ur opinion and i got mine. fair enough Observer you should be objective towards things like that, vse taki ti moderator. sis, i'm applying every effort to be such And frankly, you are not being objective at all, which is big minus for yourself and future life. ya Rabbi, I hear this statement again and again when someone does not like my actions... but it's ok. this job is not all about favor ;) If I break any rule or insult someone in the most worse ways, sure go on give me a ban but I have not broken any rule except giving my point of view. [/qoute] i ain't gonna give u bans!
[quote]If you want to spread Kalomulloh, you do it the right way, the peaceful way and have patience. you didn't think what joha and tarafdor did WAS the way you are talking about??? Rabotaete nad soboy, i potom mojno sidit i uchit drugih. soglasen, sovetuyu i vam togo je. ;) Potomu chto if you take everything too personal which I can see some are doing you will spend your whole life just wasting your nervs. brilliant words!!! just like in that hadith someone here told: lay your knowledge of Islam before those who know not, and say :salam: and leave! no force whatsoever! if s/he wants s/he'll accept, if not then not. YOU won't be held responsible for that, huh? ;)
You are getting too personal. my apologies if couldn't hold myself not to share my personal thoughts on this. I mne ochen' jal' chto eto tak. Nado uvajat everyone opinions even though you may not like it. sis! if i didn't respect ur opinions [which is obviously not so] i'd just delete those! now THAT you call disrespect of someone else's opinion if u dont' like it ;) or I'd curse or swear, if i disrespected you and your words ;) What actions? I do not think they were ''uncultured''. Zdes ne materili ne grubili. Prosto otvechali. I nashi otveti Sayyohu bili shutya. Izvini, esli ti ne ponimaesh nashi shutki. nuuu, izvinyatsa ne stoit ;)

OK, cool! hope you said what you wanted.

carrying on this work, Observer

[Alouddin]

Observer, I do not see any signs of mocking here. All i see here is a bunch of ppl willing to talk, to discuss. Anyone who studies any religion has some questions, own opinions and ideas. And as far as i know, this board was created to ask those questions, write down their opinion on subject, etc. balki bu Sizning ko'rishingizdir. Balki siz ham bu yerda obyektiv qaramayotgandirsiz. Balki men.

I face this case everywhere. Any time i ask a question which is new for me, and which is considered "stupid" in Muslim world, i'm confronted with an horde of "geniuses of Islam", fresh from the recent reading of Koran, informing me that i'm the enemy of Islam. How come? What i want to say is, you should explain a person "what is what", whatever stupid the question was. men jurnalistikadan bir oz [!] habardor bo'ganim uchun aytmoqchiman, ki "ahmoqona savol" hech qachon bo'lmaydi!!! Things in the religion are generally subjective and the perception differs for every given individual. another brilliant example of one's practice of his/her right to have a personal opinion!

[Joha]

Dear Forum Members,

I think my post has created a much of misunderstanding. I would like to repeat a point I draw an attention on one of my posts on this forum: I do not consider myself to be a religious scholar. Please do not take the word "you" to be addressed to you. The word "you" in my post is used to address everyone on this particular earth.

I do agree with FOX that we should not teach Islam in cruel way, we should be patient and ready to answer any "stupid" questions there might arise. The point I mentioned in my post, is that one should not assert a particular point in some particular subject to be TRUE, even though one do not have a knowledge of that subject. Here I mean that there are a lot of subjects we should be addressed (argued) after a bit of study. It is obvious it is useless to argue with Quantum physics teacher on the matters we do not know anything or we know only what "common sense" does. Any argument must be supported with facts, only than that argument could be taken in to account. Any blah blah, in my opinion, in common sense, I think that, I have right to choose etc... should be carefully thought before saying it.

I do appologise to every user who is in duscussion of this current topic, if my post has created much of misunderstanding and mischievment.

PS. Sorry for any grammar mistakes, I just popped in for a short time and could not resist to post as to eliminate any misunderstanding among us.

[Fallen Angel]

Joha Peace and Respect!

[Alouddin]

Dear Forum Members,

I do appologise to every user who is in duscussion of this current topic, if my post has created much of misunderstanding and mischievment. I, too, apologize for any harsh word or whatsoever else of this type if it had any negative effect on any of you guys - ladies in particular!!! peace!