Usama bin Laden haqida

[Desperado]

Bu odamni g'arb mamlakatlari insoniyatning eng ashaddiy dushmani deb e'lon qilishgan. Aslidachi? U haqiqatan ham shunday yovuz insonmi? Nahotki uning Twin Towersni yer bilan bitta qilganligiga ishonadiganlar bor? Nahotki mana shu odam butun dunyoni zir-zir titratayotgani rost?

...mening fikrim: badbaxt Amerikadan nafrat qilaman...

[Sayyoh]

...mening fikrim: badbaxt Amerikadan nafrat qilaman... salom! menimcha butun "badbaxt Amerikadan" nafratlanish juda ham to'g'ri emas =) chunki Siz o'sha "badbaxt Amerika"ni bugungi boshliqlaridan nafratlaning =) kerak bo'sa juda ham zo'r insonlari bor bu davlatda =)

p/s Usoma: hmm... bilmadim...

[Desperado]

salom! menimcha butun "badbaxt Amerikadan" nafratlanish juda ham to'g'ri emas =) chunki Siz o'sha "badbaxt Amerika"ni bugungi boshliqlaridan nafratlaning =) kerak bo'sa juda ham zo'r insonlari bor bu davlatda =)



i thought people would understand what i meant

[Guardian]

Yes, Jewish based American and some European leaders are ready to do anything just to confront Islam and Moslems.

I have no idea whether Osama Ben Laden is innocent or guilty on smth. However, i would like to mention that i do not support Ben Laden related ideas or groups

so....
Joe

[chicagoan]

salom! menimcha butun "badbaxt Amerikadan" nafratlanish juda ham to'g'ri emas =) chunki Siz o'sha "badbaxt Amerika"ni bugungi boshliqlaridan nafratlaning =) kerak bo'sa juda ham zo'r insonlari bor bu davlatda =)

p/s Usoma: hmm... bilmadim...

assalam,

I think this is a very shallow thinking.

How did America start? ah?

Genocide of entire native American population. I spent almost five years in the USA, and I can count with my fingers the natives I actually met.

According to some historical data, some tribes and cities were killed by 90% - by the founders of this "free land"!

Then, the largest slavery on earth took place in the USA. MOst of the early president's of this "land of the free and home of the brave" were slave-owners.

This land was designed by KUFFAR to be a base, resource to exploit the rest of the world for many centuries to come.

Think.

mr

[tarafdor]

Aytaylik Bin Laden sentabr voqealarida 4000 kishinining o'limiga sabab bo'ldi......


Lekin......Hamir uchidan Patir......


Bush ochiqdan ochiq ofisga kelganidan beri 40 oyidan 38 oyi faqat urush bilan utdi. Iroq/Afg'oniston/ Filistinda ulganlar soni Olloh biladi 100,000 dan oshgandur. Hech kim sanamaydi qancha odam o'ldi deb. Nimaga u terorrist emas, chunki sala kiymagan, ofisda utiradi,zamonaviy inson. Ko'zlari qonga tula inson mana shunaqa buladi. Bush " Biz Iroqda qirg'in qurollarini topa olmadik, noto'g'ri malumotga asoslangan holda Iroqqa kirdik, lekin baribi biz haqmiz". Nima uchun shuncha odamning begunoh o'limiga hech kim javobgar emas, hech kim jazolanmadi. Oddiy qiz bilan bo'lgan sarguzashtlari uchun Bill Clinton juda kup advokatlar yollab zurg'a qutildi, lekin minglab odamlarning o'limiga sababchi bo'lgan inson yana 4 yilga saylanish imkoni bor. Insholloh bu halqning ham oz'iga yarasha kunini Olloh saqlab quygandur. Olloh swt har bir narsani ko'ruvchi va eshituvchidir.


Blair razdevka malumoti noto'g'ri ekanligini oddiy saqov va ko'r ham bildi. Hamma joyda buni elon qilishdi. Lekin Iroq halqidan kechirim suramadi ham. Qushinlari hali ham bor Iroqda. Endi ko'zingiz ochilgandur, maqsad Gitler bilan teng qilingan Saddamni olib tashlash edimi, yoki boshqami. Bechora Saddamning WMD qirg'in qurollari uyerda tursin, o'zini imoya qilishga odami yo'q edi. Buni Olloh bergan aqlni ishlatib uylab kuring. Endi ularga qarshi chiqqan Spitamen va Shiroqlar terorrist bo'lib qoldi. Odam o'z uyini himoya qilayapti, ota onasini va qarindoshlarini.


Ollohdan hammamizni ham bag'ishlashini va iymonimizni butun qilishini so'rayman, omin varabil olamin.


Maida surasi.
55. Baш пoкpoвитeль - тoлькo Aллax и Eгo пocлaнник и тe, кoтopыe yвepoвaли, кoтopыe выпoлняют мoлитвy и дaют oчищeниe, и oни пpeклoняютcя.
56. И ктo бepeт пoкpoвитeлeм Aллaxa и Eгo пocлaнникa и тex, кoтopыe yвepoвaли... вeдь пapтия Aллaxa - oни пoбeдят

[Sayyoh]

waalaykum assalam wr wb ya akhee!

wonderful words! but now! tell me the timeframe you are referring to... We are talking about some good 200+ years back, aren't we! I am far from saying I support the Jewish(devil)-run US' policies whether domestic or foreign. I am just saying that Tarafdor doesn't have to hate the whole of the US. There are JEWS who go on marches AGAINST freaking zionists! IN THE US! SOme Jews manifest IN THE US against the current persecution of our brethren by the israilites! My point is: There are a lot of good people in the US. As it is said in Uzbek: Iymon yo'q, lek insof bor!

BTW, you strike the space bar twice after the period, don't you? Only in the US do they do that... So if you feel so much... um... discontent and dislike towards the whole of the US, then why are there in the first place? Why are you writing the way they do?

ya akhee, no offence intended... I just didn't think the way you do - that's it!

:salam: assalam,

I think this is a very shallow thinking.

How did America start? ah?

Genocide of entire native American population. I spent almost five years in the USA, and I can count with my fingers the natives I actually met.

According to some historical data, some tribes and cities were killed by 90% - by the founders of this "free land"!

Then, the largest slavery on earth took place in the USA. MOst of the early president's of this "land of the free and home of the brave" were slave-owners.

This land was designed by KUFFAR to be a base, resource to exploit the rest of the world for many centuries to come.

Think.

mr

[Fallen Angel]

assalam,

I think this is a very shallow thinking.

How did America start? ah?

Genocide of entire native American population. I spent almost five years in the USA, and I can count with my fingers the natives I actually met.

According to some historical data, some tribes and cities were killed by 90% - by the founders of this "free land"!

Then, the largest slavery on earth took place in the USA. MOst of the early president's of this "land of the free and home of the brave" were slave-owners.

This land was designed by KUFFAR to be a base, resource to exploit the rest of the world for many centuries to come.

Think.

mr

I wonder how do you still live in the land of devils,kuffar etc.? but you seem enjoying yr life there man?;)

[Maroon]

Fallen, I have asked a similar question in a post but sadly did not get an answer. :twisted:

I really do think it must be a hell of a place to live in, with some many Americans and Jews around,aight? :P

Cheers.

[Desperado]

Fallen, I have asked a similar question in a post but sadly did not get an answer. :twisted:

I really do think it must be a hell of a place to live in, with some many Americans and Jews around,aight? :P

Cheers.


hey guyz, off topic, warning beraman hozir :)


very good discussions, thanks to participants.

[Sayyoh]

:salam: tarafdor! why did you post your topic here? =) Observer should move it =)

[PainKiller]

Ochen' Provakacionnaya tema. za takiye topiki, ya kogo-to predupredila bi, ili zabanila na fik! chto znachit Usama ne Vinoven? Al' Kaida eto chto, Blagotvoritel'naya Organizaciya? Ili sobraniye boy skautov? I mne blevat' ohota ot virajeniy i slovosochetaniy vrode "...cuz of only 4000 dead people.."
Just??? wtf?:evil:
Vseh etih hrenovih vahhabitov, hizbutchikov, osvoboditel'nih borcov, blah blah blah kozlov, nado veshat'! Umirat' oni hotyat viditeli, DA NAZDAROVYE! no pochemu s nimi doljni pomirat' mnojestva nevinnih jertv?
Korohe, screw Osama!

[Sayyoh]

daaamn :shocked:

[Fallen Angel]

Tarafdor:
Blair razdevka malumoti noto'g'ri ekanligini oddiy saqov va ko'r ham bildi.


Eto novaya sekretnaya slujba v UK? A kakie osnovnie u nee funkciyi, sudya po nazvaniyu?:lol:



Xurmatli Tarafdor oliy janoblari, musulmon bula turib, 4000 begunoh odamlarning ulimini bir tiynga tenglashtirganiyzga qoyilman .
Amerikani Iroq davlatiga olib borilaetgan siyosatiga man shaxsan qarshiman, lekin Saddam va Ben Ladenni farishtalar qatoriga ulug'lashtiringizdan oldin yana bir bor razdevkaningiz malumotlarini kurib chiqishingiz ma'quldir.

buona fortuna a tutti!

[Sayyoh]

man sal tushunmayro turimman: Kim only 4,000 people have died, dedi???

[Fallen Angel]

waalaykum assalam wr wb ya akhee!

wonderful words! but now! tell me the timeframe you are referring to... We are talking about some good 200+ years back, aren't we! I am far from saying I support the Jewish(devil)-run US' policies whether domestic or foreign. I am just saying that Tarafdor doesn't have to hate the whole of the US. There are JEWS who go on marches AGAINST freaking zionists! IN THE US! SOme Jews manifest IN THE US against the current persecution of our brethren by the israilites! My point is: There are a lot of good people in the US. As it is said in Uzbek: Iymon yo'q, lek insof bor!

BTW, you strike the space bar twice after the period, don't you? Only in the US do they do that... So if you feel so much... um... discontent and dislike towards the whole of the US, then why are there in the first place? Why are you writing the way they do?


ya akhee, no offence intended... I just didn't think the way you do - that's it!

:salam:

Sayyoh aplodismenti!

[Administrator]

there are no any proofs that osama did that.
or can anybody provide that?
btw..only fools believe to american itelegent service after their fail in iraq
.where is wmd ?

[Sayyoh]

F.Angel, am grateful =)

[PainKiller]

Aytaylik Bin Laden sentabr voqealarida 4000 kishinining o'limiga sabab bo'ldi......


Lekin......Hamir uchidan Patir......


a eto chto? mol Bush Ubil Bol'shee chislo? Sravneniye na moy vzglyad bolee chem neumestno:evil:

[Maroon]

The stereotype of militant Islam has been created because of this kind of morons.

Da uj soglasno. :rolleyes:

[Wolfman]

Usama ben Ladenning kimligini bizlardan hech qaysimiz yaxshi bilmaymiz. Agar terroristik harakatlarni (ochiq maydondagi urushlardan tashqari) u qilayotgan bo'lsa tushunaman, lekin oqlamayman. Amerika provokasiya bilan musulmonlarni radikallashtirayapti.

Amerika va G'arb davlatlarining qo'lida shunaqa bahaybat OAV jamlanganki hohlagan kishiga loy chaplab dunyoga yomon qilib ko'rsatishi mumkin. Masalan 11-sentyabrda atigi 4500 odam o'ldi. Lekin Afg'onda, Chechenda, Kosovoda, Iroqda, ba'zi mamlakatlarda AQSH yordamidagi genosidlarda 100 000 lab odam o'lib ketayapti, hech kimning ishi yo'q. Yana bir misol, II jahon urushida yevreylar qatorida bizning vatandoshlardan 27 mln bevosita, ocharchiliklarda qanchalab odamlar qrilib ketdi. Yevreylar esa haligach o'zlarini "mazlum" qilib ko'rsatishadi, chinki ularda mass-media bor...

Bushning oldida Ben Laden farishta...:lool: :laugh:

Xotima sifatida, qiyomatga yaqin ommaviy yolg'on haddan tashqari ko'payib ketadi... (misol CNN...:twisted: )

Stan from South Park

[PainKiller]

Usama ben Ladenning kimligini bizlardan hech qaysimiz yaxshi bilmaymiz. Agar terroristik harakatlarni (ochiq maydondagi urushlardan tashqari) u qilayotgan bo'lsa tushunaman, lekin oqlamayman. Amerika provokasiya bilan musulmonlarni radikallashtirayapti.

Amerika va G'arb davlatlarining qo'lida shunaqa bahaybat OAV jamlanganki hohlagan kishiga loy chaplab dunyoga yomon qilib ko'rsatishi mumkin. Masalan 11-sentyabrda atigi 4500 odam o'ldi. Lekin Afg'onda, Chechenda, Kosovoda, Iroqda, ba'zi mamlakatlarda AQSH yordamidagi genosidlarda 100 000 lab odam o'lib ketayapti, hech kimning ishi yo'q. Yana bir misol, II jahon urushida yevreylar qatorida bizning vatandoshlardan 27 mln bevosita, ocharchiliklarda qanchalab odamlar qrilib ketdi. Yevreylar esa haligach o'zlarini "mazlum" qilib ko'rsatishadi, chinki ularda mass-media bor...

Bushning oldida Ben Laden farishta...:lool: :laugh:


Xotima sifatida, qiyomatga yaqin ommaviy yolg'on haddan tashqari ko'payib ketadi... (misol CNN...:twisted: )

Stan from South Park
Opyat' taki porajayus' cinichnosti lyudey..Nifiga sebe atigi:rolleyes:

[Fallen Angel]

Opyat' taki porajayus' cinichnosti lyudey..Nifiga sebe atigi:rolleyes:
Masshtabi u cheloveka shirooookie vidish

[tarafdor]

Opyat' taki porajayus' cinichnosti lyudey..Nifiga sebe atigi:rolleyes:
Dear Applepie,

Sometimes it's really strange. Do you feel sorrow for your moslem brothers and sisters? What the bullshit you're talking about. We feel sorry for those killed in 9/11, but do can you provide any evidence that it was carried out by OSAMA BIN LADEN? Are you till have firm believe that it was done by moslem terrorists? Hey comme on, open your eyes. Prophet Muhammad SAW was sent to all HUMANITY. There's no difference between you and African moslem unless in faith-iyman.
Believers are each other's brothers. Restore peace among your brothers. Have fear of God so that perhaps you will receive mercy (49:10).
The believers, both male and female, are each other's guardians. They try to make others do good, prevent them from committing sins, perform their prayers, pay the religious tax, and obey God and His Messenger. God will have mercy on them; He is Majestic and All-wise (9:71).

LOOK AROUND, THINK WISELY, GLOBALLY.
Bin Laden is a tool for American humilating process that going on in our Ummah. So study is also form of Jihad, so use all your potential to serve for Islam, to serve for the future, to serve for the Humanity. Everything in this world is false except Allah's.
No one can grasp anything from His knowledge besides what He has permitted them to grasp. The heavens and the earth are under His dominion. He does not experience fatigue in preserving them both. He is the Highest and the Greatest. (2:255)

You can rely only to your moslem brother or sister. We'd be united, don't believe to Uncle Sam's great future about democracy and freedom including human rights. Are you satisfied with all this gey's marriages, porno-movies, no father-children relations, and in everything that glorifies this land? Anyway, I WILL BE FRIEND AND TRUST ONLY TO MY MOSLEM BROTHER, WITH THEM JUST BUSINES OR WORK COLLEAGUE.
Why are you divided into two different parties concerning the hypocrites, when God Himself has turned them to disbelief because of their misdeeds. Do you want to guide those whom God has caused to go astray? You cannot find guidance for those whom God has made to err. (4:88)

[Wolfman]

Opyat' taki porajayus' cinichnosti lyudey..Nifiga sebe atigi:rolleyes:1 ta americot bosqinchi askar uchun "atigi" 20-30 tinch aholini o'lishi- is not fair :evil: -----4500 yuz minglarni oldida atigi.

Boshqa javob bermayman,

Stan from South Park

[tarafdor]

Salam Fallen Angel,

Tarafdor:
Blair razdevka malumoti noto'g'ri ekanligini oddiy saqov va ko'r ham bildi. Bu yerda ning qushimchasi tushib qolgan.


Eto novaya sekretnaya slujba v UK? A kakie osnovnie u nee funkciyi, sudya po nazvaniyu?:lol:

Find, falsify, humilate, divide, destroy, if still alive then kill. is it clear now?

Xurmatli Tarafdor oliy janoblari, musulmon bula turib, 4000 begunoh odamlarning ulimini bir tiynga tenglashtirganiyzga qoyilman . Hurmatli Fallen honim, alhamdullilah Ollohning marhamati bilan musulmonmiz. 1991 yildan bu kungacha AQSh'ning qilgan embargosi natijasida Iroqda 700,000 yosh chaqaloq va gudaklar nobud bo'ldi. Iroqda urushdan tashqari oddiy aholi orasida 50,000-70,000 kishi bu dunyoni tark etdi. AQsh'ning tuhtovsiz va BMT'ning rezolutsiyalariga ochiqdan ochiq veto qilib Isroilga bergan yordami natijasida kuniga unlab odamlar nobud bo'lmoqda. Afg'onistoni ahvoli endi hamma ma'lum. Fallen bunchalik emasde, man sizning dinizga shubha bilan qarashni boshladim. Bu hali ham aniq emas kim tomondan uyushtirlidi, endi samolet 100 etajga urilib, usha terorist pasporti kuymay yonmay to usha binoning podvaligacha tushushiga ishonish miyasi aniq ishlaydigan odam uchun emas. http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)

Amerikani Iroq davlatiga olib borilaetgan siyosatiga man shaxsan qarshiman, lekin Saddam va Ben Ladenni farishtalar qatoriga ulug'lashtiringizdan oldin yana bir bor razdevkaningiz malumotlarini kurib chiqishingiz ma'quldir. Lol. Sizga gap yo'q desam bir oz xursand bo'lasizmi? Chunki ........32. Пoтoм Mы дaли пиcaниe в нacлeдcтвo тeм из Haшиx paбoв, кoгo Mы избpaли; из ниx ecть нecпpaвeдливыe для caмиx ceбя, ecть и yмepeнныe, ecть и oпepeжaющиe блaгими дeяниями пo извoлeнию Aллaxa этo - вeликaя милocть! (35. Создатель) buona fortuna a tutti! Hasta la vista baby!!!

[tarafdor]

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"A fool's mind is at the mercy of his tongue and a wise man's tongue is under the control of his mind. "

"To render relief to the distressed and to help the oppressed make amends for great sins. "

"Jihad is divided into four branches: to persuade people to be obedient to Allah; to prohibit them from sin and vice; to struggle (in the cause of Allah) sincerely and firmly on all occasions and to detest the vicious. Whoever persuades people to obey the orders of Allah provides strength to the believers; whoever dissuades them from vices and sins humiliates the unbelievers; whoever struggles on all occasions discharges all his obligations and whoever detests the vicious only for the sake of Allah, then Allah will take revenge on his enemies and will be pleased with Him on the Day of Judgment. "

[JoJ]

Opyat' taki porajayus' cinichnosti lyudey..Nifiga sebe atigi:rolleyes:
a ti kogda nibud dumala skolko lyudey pogibayut v Irkae, Afganistane, Palestine...
kto vinovat v etom vsem? UN, NATO?
Kto stal bombit Irak bezrezolucii UN? Kto poslal k chertu UN?
Ya negovoryu atigi, potomu shto sredi etih lyudey bili i uzbeki. No, esli sravnish eto tem skolko lyudi pogibli izza USA, togda atigi budet prosto fignia...

respect

[Legend]

a ti kogda nibud dumala skolko lyudey pogibayut v Irkae, Afganistane, Palestine...
kto vinovat v etom vsem? UN, NATO?
Kto stal bombit Irak bezrezolucii UN? Kto poslal k chertu UN?
Ya negovoryu atigi, potomu shto sredi etih lyudey bili i uzbeki. No, esli sravnish eto tem skolko lyudi pogibli izza USA, togda atigi budet prosto fignia...

respectI hope she will understand. No comments.
Sincers,
S.R.

[PainKiller]

People, 911, and palestina, afrika eto ne odno i toje. Da ya ne podderjivayu politiku Busha, bolee togo, dumayu chto etot sukin sin ne imel prava vtorgatsa v chujiye territorii.
Na vashe vopsori.
Tovarishi, neskol'ko iz vas sprosili menya samiy tupoy vopros kotoriy mog priyti v golovu -U tebya est' dokazatel'stva chto eto bili i v pravdu terroristi....Nu izvinite tovarishi, est' takiye veshi kotoriye ne dostupni publike, tak je kak i FBI ne stalo mne po pochte posilat' vse uliki i dokazatel'stva ukazivayushiye na prichastnost' etih kozlov k vzrivam...Uj eto vi mne nadeyus' prostite, no toy informacii chto u menya est', mne dostatochno chtobi delat' Vivodi. To chto tam tvoritsa v izraile, v irake, blah blah blah....Mogu virazit' tol'ko svoyo samochuvstviye, no lyudi sami toje ne belen'kiye(hotya povtoryayu, eto ne povod dlya bombyojek itp.) I'll be back in two hours and go on my ideas...sorry, gtg

[Legend]

People, 911, and palestina, afrika eto ne odno i toje. Da ya ne podderjivayu politiku Busha, bolee togo, dumayu chto etot sukin sin ne imel prava vtorgatsa v chujiye territorii.
Na vashe vopsori.
Tovarishi, neskol'ko iz vas sprosili menya samiy tupoy vopros kotoriy mog priyti v golovu -U tebya est' dokazatel'stva chto eto bili i v pravdu terroristi....Nu izvinite tovarishi, est' takiye veshi kotoriye ne dostupni publike, tak je kak i FBI ne stalo mne po pochte posilat' vse uliki i dokazatel'stva ukazivayushiye na prichastnost' etih kozlov k vzrivam...Uj eto vi mne nadeyus' prostite, no toy informacii chto u menya est', mne dostatochno chtobi delat' Vivodi. To chto tam tvoritsa v izraile, v irake, blah blah blah....Mogu virazit' tol'ko svoyo samochuvstviye, no lyudi sami toje ne belen'kiye(hotya povtoryayu, eto ne povod dlya bombyojek itp.) I'll be back in two hours and go on my ideas...sorry, gtgOk yablochko ne hotel eto pisat,no prishlos..
Esli ti dumaesh shto Bin laden sdelal eto,tak pochemu je ti dumaesh on ne priznal etogo?ved on bil raziskivan i do etogo i vse ravno emu krishka esli poymayut,esli on boretsa aginst US ne v pochest li emu skazat shto on sdelal etogo a?Net on skazal eto ne on ,potomu chto on delal etogo!
Da i skaju te in 2001 ya bil v US i mnogiye moi druzya jivut v NYC,Brooklyne i rabotayut v Manhattane i skaju te shto v tot den ni odin evrey ni poshol na rabotu v World trade center,ni odin,tak je kak i ni odin Minister i ego deti ne poshli v shkolu ili je v univer v Febr 1999 v tashkente,u menya mnogo druzey sredi etih detey bilo i skaju te oni sami ne ponimali pochemu ih roditeli ne pustili v universitet i v shkoli v tot den,tak shto make your own conclusions..Dont wanna teach ya, you are smart enough.
Sincers,
S.R.

[PainKiller]

Shuha, ti znaesh da chto posle vzrivov, obichno te kto eto sovershil priznayut svoyu prichastnost' k dannomu terr.akru, i predyavlyayut svoi trebovaniya. Osama ben Laden, priznal svoyu vinu, i bolee togo imeyutsa videosyomki, sdelanniye toy je samoy Alj-jazeeroy, gde on prizivayet lyudey, lyubogo kto schitayet sebya muslimom, unesti jizn' nevernogo. Tak chto, ne zastavlyayte menya postit' tut kartinki protivopolojniye tem chto tut nashlyopali moi opponenti...
PS. udevlena, shuh tak ti toje ne verish' chto Osama a bad boy?;)

[Legend]

Shuha, ti znaesh da chto posle vzrivov, obichno te kto eto sovershil priznayut svoyu prichastnost' k dannomu terr.akru, i predyavlyayut svoi trebovaniya. Osama ben Laden, priznal svoyu vinu, i bolee togo imeyutsa videosyomki, sdelanniye toy je samoy Alj-jazeeroy, gde on prizivayet lyudey, lyubogo kto schitayet sebya muslimom, unesti jizn' nevernogo. Tak chto, ne zastavlyayte menya postit' tut kartinki protivopolojniye tem chto tut nashlyopali moi opponenti...
PS. udevlena, shuh tak ti toje ne verish' chto Osama a bad boy?;)Jamik on etogo ne priznaval.
Nobody is perfect, i ya v tom chisle;)
Ti znaesh shto ama bad boy as well;)

[PainKiller]

Jamik on etogo ne priznaval.
Nobody is perfect, i ya v tom chisle;)
Ti znaesh shto ama bad boy as well;) da priznaval on eto, priznaval, shuh. on ne mne lichno na kolenyah priznavalsya konechno, no daval interview po etomu povodu...shuh, hvat' lya lya lya...zahodi v messenger=)))

[Webbie]

da priznaval on eto, priznaval, shuh. on ne mne lichno na kolenyah priznavalsya konechno, no daval interview po etomu povodu...

Yablochko, tebe kto tol'ko na kolenyah ne priznavalsya... :shock: a hotya ya soglasna, on je kakuyu-to tape poslial, mol ya eto sdelal, boytes menya :P

Cheers, WEbgirl

[Legend]

da priznaval on eto, priznaval, shuh. on ne mne lichno na kolenyah priznavalsya konechno, no daval interview po etomu povodu...shuh, hvat' lya lya lya...zahodi v messenger=)))Ama at work now Jamik, gonna be late home tonight ;) actually write me pm,ma cell still dead;)
Sincers,
S.R.

[PainKiller]

Ama at work now Jamik, gonna be late home tonight ;) actually write me pm,ma cell still dead;)
Sincers,
S.R. how r u entering Forum? :rolleyes:
i will call u tonight, or ur phone will be still dead?:?
anyways, I will send ya Pm..Miss ya;)

[Maroon]

Ladno koroche umniki, po umnichali hvatit. Dayte mne po tipu poumnichat. :D
Dumau chto nitko iz nas nikogda nichego ne uznaet. Eto vse parshivaya i vanyuchaya politika. It is all about power and money. Ni nado vinit etogo ili togo. Oni sami prekrasno znayut che, pochemu i kogda.

Luydi hvatit sebe mozgi krutit nashet takih things.

Ishkal: Yomon ensam kotibketdi sani postinda.

Menya uje tashnit ot Bin Laden, Bush, Sharon, Arafat, Hussein.Kajdiy boje den odno i to je slishish.

[Sayyoh]

Menya uje tashnit ot Bin Laden, Bush, Sharon, Arafat, Hussein.Kajdiy boje den odno i to je slishish. eto uje "spasibo" bol'nomu Bushu...

[Legend]

[

Ishkal: Yomon ensam kotibketdi sani postinda.
Hmm.. nime ekan bilsam boladimi?Chto to ne ponravilos?

[PainKiller]

[

Ishkal: Yomon ensam kotibketdi sani postinda.
Hmm.. nime ekan bilsam boladimi?Chto to ne ponravilos? boladi. Uniyam ensasini manikini qotirgan narsa qotirgan bosa kere. iz vsego chto ti nachirikal tut, vidno odno, chto yevrei v tom i inom sluchaye voshli v tayniy zagovor, i tehnichno vzorvali bombi...uh kakaya nelepost'. Shuh, dumala ti umney:?
PS. i v Gaze eto yevreyi sami sebya ubivayut, i podrivayut bombi..a da, pro 9/11, to chto togda yevrei ne poshli na rabotu, Shuh, polnaya chush', u menya Yevrey znakomiy togda Umer, imenno tam. I ya uverena eto ne yedinstvenniy sluchay. v tot den' pogibli kak Yevrei, tak i indusi, Musul'mane, i ateisti, i prochiyi priverjenci inih religiy.

[Administrator]

a ti kogda nibud dumala skolko lyudey pogibayut v Irkae, Afganistane, Palestine...
kto vinovat v etom vsem? UN, NATO?
Kto stal bombit Irak bezrezolucii UN? Kto poslal k chertu UN?
Ya negovoryu atigi, potomu shto sredi etih lyudey bili i uzbeki. No, esli sravnish eto tem skolko lyudi pogibli izza USA, togda atigi budet prosto fignia...

respect
and when you hear something wise or clever about politics from women?

[Legend]

boloadi. Uniyam ensasini manikini qotirgan narsa qotirgan bosa kere. iz vsego chto ti nachirikal tut, vidno odno, chto yevrei v tom i inom sluchaye voshli v tayniy zagovor, i tehnichno vzorvali bombi...uh kakaya nelepost'. Shuh, dumala ti umney:?
PS. i v Gaze eto yevreyi sami sebya ubivayut, i podrivayut bombi..a da, pro 9/11, to chto togda yevrei ne poshli na rabotu, Shuh, polnaya chush', u menya Yevrey znakomiy togda Umer, imenno tam. I ya uverena eto ne yedinstvenniy sluchay. v tot den' pogibli kak Yevrei, tak i indusi, Musul'mane, i ateisti, i prochiyi priverjenci inih religiy.Heh..:) Ok whatever...
Sincers,
S.R.

[Legend]

and when you hear something wise or clever about politics from women?You are right man,but there are...but very few.

Sincers,
S.R.

[Desperado]

Tovarishi, neskol'ko iz vas sprosili menya samiy tupoy vopros kotoriy mog priyti v golovu -U tebya est' dokazatel'stva chto eto bili i v pravdu terroristi....Nu izvinite tovarishi, est' takiye veshi kotoriye ne dostupni publike, tak je kak i FBI ne stalo mne po pochte posilat' vse uliki i dokazatel'stva ukazivayushiye na prichastnost' etih kozlov k vzrivam...Uj eto vi mne nadeyus' prostite, no toy informacii chto u menya est', mne dostatochno chtobi delat' Vivodi. To chto tam tvoritsa v izraile, v irake, blah blah blah....Mogu virazit' tol'ko svoyo samochuvstviye, no lyudi sami toje ne belen'kiye(hotya povtoryayu, eto ne povod dlya bombyojek itp.) I'll be back in two hours and go on my ideas...sorry, gtg

comrade apple pie, i appreciate your efforts to debate on the subject even if you do not know almost anything about it.
can you please enlighten us, why should FBI keep secret about the files that can prove bin Laden guilty? makes no sence... sorry.

and can you please share your precious information that you know with us, which you believe is an absolute proof of what bin Laden did? please do not tell me that holy Koran was found from the house of the suspects, suspects were wearing beard, or they were speaking arab. I have a faith in you, you can do better than that.

so, waiting for the information, very very hopeful to find out something convincing.

some other things i want to say:
it is sad to accept but true that our brain does not think and analyse the events but just consumes every media junk and makes a truth out of this junk. books, journals, newspapers, magazines, radio stations, tvs all full of some kind of propaganda, preaching us about what to think, what to believe. Making people to think in a way wanted is a great tool of media. absolutely stunning... and unfortunately we all are trapped in the net.
you know what? we forgot something. we forgot asking "why?" and learnt something instead: "because".
we are all specialists of all subjects. when there is a question, we have our quick answer ready: "well, because..." and what follows that "because" is the media junk, what we heard from tv, what we have read from newspaper...

wouldnt you agree? or maybe you are thinking why should you agree?

[Legend]

comrade apple pie, i appreciate your efforts to debate on the subject even if you do not know almost anything about it.
can you please enlighten us, why should FBI keep secret about the files that can prove bin Laden guilty? makes no sence... sorry.

and can you please share your precious information that you know with us, which you believe is an absolute proof of what bin Laden did? please do not tell me that holy Koran was found from the house of the suspects, suspects were wearing beard, or they were speaking arab. I have a faith in you, you can do better than that.

so, waiting for the information, very very hopeful to find out something convincing.

some other things i want to say:
it is sad to accept but true that our brain does not think and analyse the events but just consumes every media junk and makes a truth out of this junk. books, journals, newspapers, magazines, radio stations, tvs all full of some kind of propaganda, preaching us about what to think, what to believe. Making people to think in a way wanted is a great tool of media. absolutely stunning... and unfortunately we all are trapped in the net.
you know what? we forgot something. we forgot asking "why?" and learnt something instead: "because".
we are all specialists of all subjects. when there is a question, we have our quick answer ready: "well, because..." and what follows that "because" is the media junk, what we heard from tv, what we have read from newspaper...

wouldnt you agree? or maybe you are thinking why should you agree?"
Agree 100%,ne zrya media----->"Tortinchi hokimiyat"
Sincers,
S.R.

[Legend]

and when you hear something wise or clever about politics from women?Lol a ya ne znal shto JOJ eto devushka:)
Sincers,
S.R.

[tarafdor]

Salam,
I want to stress on some good points here.
can you please enlighten us, why should FBI keep secret about the files that can prove bin Laden guilty?That's what I wanted to ask.

and can you please share your precious information that you know with us, which you believe is an absolute proof of what bin Laden did? Will be good to have this, any links, files will be appreciated.
please do not tell me that holy Koran was found from the house of the suspects, suspects were wearing beard, or they were speaking arab.Every time watching any news regarding with bomb explosion or terrorist act in any part of the world, I just guess what kind of links they'll find this time. It's well organized media war aganist Islam. Look to every case very carefully then you'll have similar claims. Just Madrid bombing this March, terrorists entered Spain safely, prepared all necessary explosives to carry out their mission, but unfortunately they're leaving some links such as Quran in their parked van, or their passports or IDs'. If I'm a religious person I never carry Quran, I will recite every duas by myself. But in this case it's just bullshit trash for undeveloped minds and personalities. Do they have time to read Quran in this very nervous moments? With this statement they're just re-labeling Islam as a violent and agressive religion. And they're closing all doors for the criminal investigations. By the way bomb exploded just after Spanish statement that they'll withdraw their troops from Iraq, so terrorists were supposed to be happy but........

[Fallen Angel]

Ok yablochko ne hotel eto pisat,no prishlos..
Luchshe bi ne prixodilos Shuha, nu ti ubil loooool:D

" Esli ti dumaesh shto Bin laden sdelal eto,tak pochemu je ti dumaesh on ne priznal etogo?ved on bil raziskivan i do etogo i vse ravno emu krishka esli poymayut,esli on boretsa aginst US ne v pochest li emu skazat shto on sdelal etogo a?Net on skazal eto ne on ,potomu chto on delal etogo!"

Pravilno esli PM ne prislal Shuhe znachit ne vzrival, a reportaji Al Jazeeri toje proiski evreev, ux vezde oni!! Raz skazal chto ne on,znachit ne on, ug'il bola gapi, tug'ri mi Shuh;) ?!

Da i skaju te in 2001 ya bil v US i mnogiye moi druzya jivut v NYC,Brooklyne i rabotayut v Manhattane i skaju te shto v tot den ni odin evrey ni poshol na rabotu v World trade center,ni odin,tak je kak i ni odin Minister i ego deti ne poshli v shkolu ili je v univer v Febr 1999 v tashkente,u menya mnogo druzey sredi etih detey bilo i skaju te oni sami ne ponimali pochemu ih roditeli ne pustili v universitet i v shkoli v tot den,tak shto make your own conclusions..Dont wanna teach ya, you are smart enough

Ne znaete vi nicho narod, nakanune 911 otdel kadrov WTC vizval k sebe vsex evreev po kartochkam i skazal chto specslujbi WTC vrizvat zavtra budut, ne prixodite,a vsem ostalnim yavka obyazatelna, dlya naglyadnosti je jertvi nujni,;) .

A pro Tashkent, Shuha spasibo tebe za pravdu! ni odin Ministr v tot den v shkolu ne poshel! i ya vot toka seychas ponyala posle tvoix slov, pochemu menya papa v tot den nikuda ne pustil i odel kastryulyu na golovu (kaski doma ne nashlos) i pod stol zalezt velel.

Vot premudriy ishkal opyat vse po polochkam razlojil,uchites narod!:D :D
Rahmat Shuha,davno ya tak ne smeyalas:)))

[Webbie]

Dear Applepie,



Haha, that killed me :lol: :D

[Maroon]

Luchshe bi ne prixodilos Shuha, nu ti ubil loooool:D

" Esli ti dumaesh shto Bin laden sdelal eto,tak pochemu je ti dumaesh on ne priznal etogo?ved on bil raziskivan i do etogo i vse ravno emu krishka esli poymayut,esli on boretsa aginst US ne v pochest li emu skazat shto on sdelal etogo a?Net on skazal eto ne on ,potomu chto on delal etogo!"

Pravilno esli PM ne prislal Shuhe znachit ne vzrival, a reportaji Al Jazeeri toje proiski evreev, ux vezde oni!! Raz skazal chto ne on,znachit ne on, ug'il bola gapi, tug'ri mi Shuh;) ?!

Da i skaju te in 2001 ya bil v US i mnogiye moi druzya jivut v NYC,Brooklyne i rabotayut v Manhattane i skaju te shto v tot den ni odin evrey ni poshol na rabotu v World trade center,ni odin,tak je kak i ni odin Minister i ego deti ne poshli v shkolu ili je v univer v Febr 1999 v tashkente,u menya mnogo druzey sredi etih detey bilo i skaju te oni sami ne ponimali pochemu ih roditeli ne pustili v universitet i v shkoli v tot den,tak shto make your own conclusions..Dont wanna teach ya, you are smart enough

Ne znaete vi nicho narod, nakanune 911 otdel kadrov WTC vizval k sebe vsex evreev po kartochkam i skazal chto specslujbi WTC vrizvat zavtra budut, ne prixodite,a vsem ostalnim yavka obyazatelna, dlya naglyadnosti je jertvi nujni,;) .

A pro Tashkent, Shuha spasibo tebe za pravdu! ni odin Ministr v tot den v shkolu ne poshel! i ya vot toka seychas ponyala posle tvoix slov, pochemu menya papa v tot den nikuda ne pustil i odel kastryulyu na golovu (kaski doma ne nashlos) i pod stol zalezt velel.

Vot premudriy ishkal opyat vse po polochkam razlojil,uchites narod!:D :D
Rahmat Shuha,davno ya tak ne smeyalas:)))

Uje vtoroy raz chitau eto, i ya tak smeyus.
:lol:

Fallen, ti menya ubila. Ya toje davno tak ne smeyalas. :lol:

[Marvin_Kaff]

Assalamu aleikum w arahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
VO pervih nikto ne zapreshal musulmanam jit' v stranah kafirov. Tak chto hvatit zadavat' glupie voprosi, i prava kachat'...
ESli bi u Usami bili bi raketi, on nepremenno ispol'zoval ih dlya ataki, togda konechno je vse perestali nazivat' ego teroristom. Ne mogu ponyat' pochemu tot u kogo raketi, i kto ubivaet nevinnih ne terrorist?
Vsem Pavovernim moy sovet, ne stoit sporit' s kafirami, est' hadis v kotorom govoritsya chto Kafiri ne budut udovletvoreni Musul'manami, poka Musulmane polnostyu ne budut pohojimi na Kafirov.
Tak chto vseh teh kto bez znaniya obvinyayet Usamu, zadumaytes'.....
Lichno u menya ne povarachivaetsya yazik ego obvinyat'. On sdelal mnogo horoshego v svoey jizni, dlya drugih. VO pervih ne znayu vseh podrobnostey, vo vtorih etot chelovek sdelal dlya Islama , i musulman, bolshe chem kto libo zdes'. Kajdiy delaet oshibki, Usama ne bezuprechniy.
Nu budem "nadeyatsya" chto Usama sozdast kakuyunibud' raketu i esho silnee udarit po USA, togda dumayu nikto ego terroriton ne nazavet, ved' raketoy je udar bil nanesen.
Allahu Akbar!
<SVINYI HRUKAYUT , JIHAD PRODOLJAETSYA>

[Wolfman]

Allahu Akbar!
<SVINYI HRUKAYUT , JIHAD PRODOLJAETSYA>
:laugh: :lool: :rollsml:

[tarafdor]

Marvin, ti gde na komandirovke bil li chto li, anyway nice to see you again...:lol:

[Marvin_Kaff]

Marvin, ti gde na komandirovke bil li chto li, anyway nice to see you again...:lol:
Salam aleikum akhee,
Spasibo, ya toje rad chto opyat' na forum zashel, davno zdes' ne bil, ucheba , rabota, vot esho sayt stal delat', kogda zakonchu, budu rad esli kto to iz bratyev ili sester zahochet na moem sayte svoi raboti razmestit', shaz vot rabota zastryala tak kak zabolel ya. Inshallah, skoro vse ok budet.
Wassalam

[Administrator]

eeee
ladies and gentelmen
hammangizdan bir narsani soramoqchi edim
ozi usama ben laden degan odam haqiqatdan bormi ? realmi?rostmi?
yoki iroqni wmd si kabi oylab topilgan bir personajmi? :x

[Fallen Angel]

eeee
ladies and gentelmen
hammangizdan bir narsani soramoqchi edim
ozi usama ben laden degan odam haqiqatdan bormi ? realmi?rostmi?
yoki iroqni wmd si kabi oylab topilgan bir personajmi? :x

Aha, Usama eto noviy skazochniy personaj, ne takoy dobriy kak Krokodil Gena,nu vobshem Barmaley, tolko kruche i s orujiem.Zloy pokemon koroche

[uki]

Usame bo'lsa ham bir axmoq odam. Usame, man eng nafrat qilgan odam. Hatto Bush undan keyin keladi...

[Administrator]

Aha, Usama eto noviy skazochniy personaj, ne takoy dobriy kak Krokodil Gena,nu vobshem Barmaley, tolko kruche i s orujiem.Zloy pokemon koroche

togda zechem podnimat tak mnoga shuma i za kakoyta personaja
tipa cheburashki kotorogo ne sushestvuyet na samom dele?

[Desperado]

Aha, Usama eto noviy skazochniy personaj, ne takoy dobriy kak Krokodil Gena,nu vobshem Barmaley, tolko kruche i s orujiem.Zloy pokemon koroche

nima kerey bor tanimagan bilmagan bechora odam haqida bunaqa gapirib? balki yahshi odamdir, ahir Bush bekorga unga qarshi kurashmayotgandir?

[uki]

eeee
ladies and gentelmen
hammangizdan bir narsani soramoqchi edim
ozi usama ben laden degan odam haqiqatdan bormi ? realmi?rostmi?
yoki iroqni wmd si kabi oylab topilgan bir personajmi? :x
On sushestvuyet, no on kozer pentagona. poka on jiv pentagon mojet napast' na iran, na siriyu, na pakistan.... s povodom chto oni skrivayut ili pomogayut emu... poprobuy dokaji obratnoe :) . Oni mogli bi dovno nayti ego. on bil agentom CIA, i unix bila vse informaciya onem, daje do samogo paslednego dnya pered sentyabrskimi teraktami. No on im ne nujen. Daje sentyabrskiye terakti komuta bila vigodna v pentagone...

[Administrator]

On sushestvuyet, no on kozer pentagona. poka on jiv pentagon mojet napast' na iran, na siriyu, na pakistan.... s povodom chto oni skrivayut ili pomogayut emu... poprobuy dokaji obratnoe :) . Oni mogli bi dovno nayti ego. on bil agentom CIA, i unix bila vse informaciya onem, daje do samogo paslednego dnya pered sentyabrskimi teraktami. No on im ne nujen. Daje sentyabrskiye terakti komuta bila vigodna v pentagone...
hehe pust togda
usa vodet voyska v iran i v siriyu
i cherez 5 let budem imet otdelniye 52 gosudarstvo
gdeto v severnoy amerike.
i posle etogo izrailyu toje kapets...

[uki]

merikosam uje xana, oni nikogda ne mogut kontrolirovat' iraq. I nemogut vot tak brosit' i uyti. iraq stal nachalom padeniya amerikosev. a esli pomnite to posle iraka v spiske bil iran siria i yujnaya korea :) . V irake oni uvideli svoyu realnuyu mosh. Konechno je eto uvideli i rossiya, kitay, evropa i vse arbskiye strani...

[Administrator]

ne yujnaya korya a severnya..
vot napast' na s.k i nih duha nekogda ne hvatet'.

[uki]

ne yujnaya korya a severnya..
vot napast' na s.k i nih duha nekogda ne hvatet'.
sorry za oshibku

[Marvin_Kaff]

Kstati tol'ko chto doshlo do menya, a prichem tut Osama bin Laden, v Din va Madaniyat otdele? Ne luchseh li ego v drugoy otdel pomestit?
Sorry za oftop....

[uki]

Kstati tol'ko chto doshlo do menya, a prichem tut Osama bin Laden, v Din va Madaniyat otdele? Ne luchseh li ego v drugoy otdel pomestit?
Sorry za oftop....
da
v fleim on bolshe podxodit'

[uki]

a mojet daje i v ugolok smexa :)

[Fallen Angel]

V poslednee vremya ves' forum v odin bolshoy ugolok smexa prevratilsya. Chitaya nekotorie "umnie" posti nevozmojno uderjatsya ot smexa i bez yumora otvetit prosto nevozmojno. Tak chto narod, pishite luchshe s menee seryeznim licom.V konce koncov vsemirnie problemi tut nikto ne reshaet.

[uki]

V poslednee vremya ves' forum v odin bolshoy ugolok smexa prevratilsya. Chitaya nekotorie "umnie" posti nevozmojno uderjatsya ot smexa i bez yumora otvetit prosto nevozmojno. Tak chto narod, pishite luchshe s menee seryeznim licom.V konce koncov vsemirnie problemi tut nikto ne reshaet.
chyato seryoznoe lico konkretno ne ponravilos' tebe ssamogo nachala :D :D xotya dogadivayus' chya :D

[Fallen Angel]

Nizachto ne ugadaesh Uki;)

[Desperado]

maza qivossila-a, shunaqayam qip turish kere

[uki]

Nizachto ne ugadaesh Uki;)ya bi nachal gadat' ssebya
kakiye u menya shansi :D
navernoe spervogo raza v yablochku:D :D :D

[Fallen Angel]

ya bi nachal gadat' ssebya
kakiye u menya shansi :D
navernoe spervogo raza v yablochku:D :D :D
So vtorogo i v persik! Uki tvoi tvoi sposobnosti k analiticheskomu mishleniyu i smekalku' mojno tolko poxvalit':D

[uki]

So vtorogo i v persik! Uki tvoi tvoi sposobnosti k analiticheskomu mishleniyu i smekalku' mojno tolko poxvalit':D
Ti navernoe pervaya kto eto mne govorit' :D :D

[Fallen Angel]

Ti navernoe pervaya kto eto mne govorit' :D :D
da uj..navernoe

[uki]

FA ti navernoe v etom forume tol'ko chtob kritikovat' drugix. i navernoe platyat tebe za eto... :)

[Fallen Angel]

FA ti navernoe v etom forume tol'ko chtob kritikovat' drugix. i navernoe platyat tebe za eto... :)
Uki eshe raz porajayus tvoey dogadlivosti. ya v etoy jizni dlya togo chtobi kritikovat' drugix. Tirikchilik.Ne zaviduy,eto nexorosho.;)

[Legend]

Luchshe bi ne prixodilos Shuha, nu ti ubil loooool:D

" Esli ti dumaesh shto Bin laden sdelal eto,tak pochemu je ti dumaesh on ne priznal etogo?ved on bil raziskivan i do etogo i vse ravno emu krishka esli poymayut,esli on boretsa aginst US ne v pochest li emu skazat shto on sdelal etogo a?Net on skazal eto ne on ,potomu chto on delal etogo!"

Pravilno esli PM ne prislal Shuhe znachit ne vzrival, a reportaji Al Jazeeri toje proiski evreev, ux vezde oni!! Raz skazal chto ne on,znachit ne on, ug'il bola gapi, tug'ri mi Shuh;) ?!

Da i skaju te in 2001 ya bil v US i mnogiye moi druzya jivut v NYC,Brooklyne i rabotayut v Manhattane i skaju te shto v tot den ni odin evrey ni poshol na rabotu v World trade center,ni odin,tak je kak i ni odin Minister i ego deti ne poshli v shkolu ili je v univer v Febr 1999 v tashkente,u menya mnogo druzey sredi etih detey bilo i skaju te oni sami ne ponimali pochemu ih roditeli ne pustili v universitet i v shkoli v tot den,tak shto make your own conclusions..Dont wanna teach ya, you are smart enough

Ne znaete vi nicho narod, nakanune 911 otdel kadrov WTC vizval k sebe vsex evreev po kartochkam i skazal chto specslujbi WTC vrizvat zavtra budut, ne prixodite,a vsem ostalnim yavka obyazatelna, dlya naglyadnosti je jertvi nujni,;) .

A pro Tashkent, Shuha spasibo tebe za pravdu! ni odin Ministr v tot den v shkolu ne poshel! i ya vot toka seychas ponyala posle tvoix slov, pochemu menya papa v tot den nikuda ne pustil i odel kastryulyu na golovu (kaski doma ne nashlos) i pod stol zalezt velel.

Vot premudriy ishkal opyat vse po polochkam razlojil,uchites narod!:D :D
Rahmat Shuha,davno ya tak ne smeyalas:)))Lol:) FA,a kto skazal shto zdes nelzya nikogo smeshit a?;)
Sincers,S.R.

[Legend]

Uje vtoroy raz chitau eto, i ya tak smeyus.
:lol:

Fallen, ti menya ubila. Ya toje davno tak ne smeyalas. :lol:Nu da koneshno ya mog ego v ugolok smeha postavit,no zdes v temu de;)
Sincers,
S.R.

[Maroon]

Nu da koneshno ya mog ego v ugolok smeha postavit,no zdes v temu de;)
Sincers,
S.R.

Ne obijaysya Rakhimov, no ya smeyalas with all my heart. Dumau esli shas prochitau toje budu.;)

With regards,

Rakhimova

[Legend]

Ne obijaysya Rakhimov, no ya smeyalas with all my heart. Dumau esli shas prochitau toje budu.;)

With regards,

RakhimovaNo problem Rakhimova;)
S.R.

[tarafdor]

No problem Rakhimova;)
S.R.
Bin Laden'ning familyasi o'zbekcha Rakhimov bo'lsa kerak. lol:lol:

[Maroon]

Tarafdor I hate to dissapoint you, but Bin Laden won't have that honor. :rolleyes:

Cheers.

[Sayyoh]

blin! vy savsem ot ruk atbilis!!! :P

mods, flame this post! :P :twisted: :lol:

[Administrator]

hhhmmmmmmmmdaaaaaaaa....
ozi gap "usama cheburashka laden" haqida boshlangan edi .. :?
lekin threadni atala qilib yubordinglar.. :(

[Maroon]

O,a che esho ostalas delat? Uje skoka let toka i slishim Osama, Osama. ZB uje with Osama. Che mojno pro nego esho zdes skazat hotyabi ego kto to lichno znal bi i to bilo bi interestno.

He is a muppet, vot chto.

Udachi vam.

[Legend]

Bin Laden'ning familyasi o'zbekcha Rakhimov bo'lsa kerak. lol:lol:Heh ,Shopgirl prava too much honor;)
Sincers,
S.R.

[Alouddin]

Nu da koneshno ya mog ego v ugolok smeha postavit,no zdes v temu de;)
Sincers,
S.R. v temu, Shuha?!? ;)

[Legend]

v temu, Shuha?!? ;)a che net?;) A imya iz postov vichital, ili je znakomi? esli net to mojet poznakomimsya?
Sincers,
S.R.

[Fallen Angel]

Dumayu moya skazka zdes umestney budet, ya ee ne v tot thread pomestila. nu ladno,nevajno,vse ravno skazka

[Desperado]

:salam: Jallod,

agarda kalimai shahodatda biron joyida adashgan bo'lsam, iltimos ko'rsatingiz.

gitara chalib turgan smlkning vasifasi esa men Muslim ekanligimdan naqadar shod ekanligimning ramzi bo'lishdir.

p/s shunchaki aniqlik kiritib qo'yish uchun: siz iqtibosda mening 'signature'imning faqat bir qismini qo'yibsiz. ikkinchi qismi esa o'sha smlk'la uzviy bog'lik bo'lgan narsadir

taqsiri olam, eng ohirgi so'zdan avval 'abduhu' so'zi qop ketgan, to'g'irlab qoying. it is very serious mistake.

[Sayyoh]

:salam: Jallod va Desperado birodarlar,

ha, haqiqatdan ham "abduhu" so'zini qoldirib qo'ygan ekanman. Alloh swt o'zi kechirsin. Muni men o'zim bir paytda anglab-tushunib qoldim va ilojim bo'ldi zamonoq to'g'riladim. Hozir esa Desperado birodarimdan bu to'g'rilashimning haq ekanligiga isbot o'qib turibman. Hammamiz Alloh swt O'z mustaqim yo'liga hidoyat aylasin.

:salam:

[Desperado]

aytganiz kesin, omin

[Sayyoh]

eeee, birodar, o'zizam shunda ekansizu? :) darrov jovob bera qoganizga tashakkur =)

xo'sh, bu Usamajon Binovich Ladenov topildimi?

[Desperado]

Saddam Husainov qo'lga tushgan, endi Usama amakiniyam ushlavolishsa, Amerika keyin nimani bahona qilib yana urushga kiradi? Hali buyoda qiladigan ishlar ko'p buni ustiga, Suriya va Eron bilan hali orani ochiq qib olishmagan. Endi birodar globalniy o'ylash kereda :D

[Sayyoh]

nuuu, emmi bu saddam bola o'zi ham bir talay ahmoqona ishlarni bajarib qo'yganda o'zi vaqtida... lek manabu aka Billodun haqinda biron so'z aytolmayman.

[tarafdor]

Bolalar bir oz seryezni bo'linglar. Yesli shto, eng kamida Saddam va Bin Laden usha Sam amakimizga poshel ti ....... deyishga yuragi bo'lgan. Ushanga ular monster bo'lib qolishdi, mana qolganlari yuribdiyu, malay bo'lib. :lol:

[tarafdor]

Instead of fully neutralizing those who attacked us on 9/11, the Bush administration-like Don Quixote-imagined other threats that were nonexistent. The administration took advantage of the September 11 attacks to go after many "terrorist" groups around the globe that do not currently focus their attacks on the United States (for example, Arab groups that attack Israel) and countries that supported them (for example, Iraq).

Invading a second Islamic country has energized Osama bin Laden's zealous global defensive jihad to throw the infidel crusaders off Moslem soil...http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0409-2440 (http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0409-2440)

[Ozodlik]

He is a terrorist and he, his group and all others like him should be neutralised..

[tarafdor]

He is a terrorist and he, his group and all others like him should be neutralised..It seems you frequently visit whitehouse's website. :lol: There are two ways to rush for any comments regarding any issue,
1st - just to ignore all facts, and to believe to all falsified ones. We need to begin reading every thread from the very beginning in order to have some idea on this topic if we're like "ground zero" in this issue...
2nd - We came from different field of science, proud of to be economist, lawyer, accountant or whatever you think is prestigious but lack of basic ability to analyze things in their right meaning and position.

So as an example, just yesterday I found my friend's message in one the christian web sites. Unfortunately he has been converted to Christianity. He just lives behind of Bibi-Khanim mosque in Samarkand. And here's what he says,

"The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want" Psalm 23:1. I was an atheist for 24 years of my life. I thought that there was no God. When I had almost turned to 25 I heard the Good News last year it totally changed my life. When I became a Christian I thought that everything would become good in my life and there wouldn't be any reasons to argue with someone, because I would try to understand them, and my life would be very peaceful. But I didn't understand correctly. Yes, my life did change, and I do have peace, but everything is really from the Lord.
The Lord has blessed me through my Pastor and through his ministry of love and grace. Now when I look back at my life I realize what an empty and dirty life I had without Jesus. How lost I was. But like a Good Shepherd He found me and saved me from all evil. I will not long for anything except His guidance, presence, love, truth and grace. http://www.ggwo.org/missions/news/2002/10-27-Samarkand.html

And he lied there, because he has been to Turkey, and most probably ro religious school. He loved to have affairs with any available girls. So the reason why he was concerted, the girl. He never tried to learn about Islam, to know what's it, but then cursing Islam and telling he will never come back to Islam.

So please don't be ignorant, truce around you. 9/11 in USA, 3/11 in Spain, Beslan, there are alot to talk, but I'm afraid you'll think that I'm terrorist too. So it's up to you.

[Desperado]

He is a terrorist and he, his group and all others like him should be neutralised..

taraftor is right, first you will need to read posts in this thread and secondly, you must have some proof while accusing somebody of something. I will be delighted with your findings.

[Ozodlik]

Sources to know more about Bin Laden

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm- his description, and other data
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html- Bin Laden as a former CIA agent
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-11-2002_pg4_13 - about Bin laden's involvement in many terroristic acts, and so on

hmm...I am sure you can do the google search yourself.. so just let me tell you what i think about the man

He is a terrorist, because he said himself several times that he is responsible for many terroristic acts around the world, and 09/11 among them..

His group, Al Qaeda is still carrying out terroristic attacks around the world, and among many other bad things they are doing they are also training Uzbek terrorists and possibly supporting them financially.

from the other side, I will tell you honestly, I perfectly understand that, as I mentioned in my earlier post, it is not about who is right and who is wrong, it is about which side you support. Even if Bin Laden is not a terrorist, but just a Islamic fundamentalist, I am against him and the ideas he represents, because i dont share his values and principles.

It is perfectly ok with me as long as he and his followers do and think whatever they do and think without forcing others to follow them, but as they are trying to destroy the way of life and form of civilisation I admit as mine, I am against them.

Even if Bin Laden is a myth, even if he is a muppet, even if he is an american agent, the most dangerous thing is not him, as a person, but his ideas and values. He is serving as a role model for new generations of terrorists, his ideology is creating a genuine basis for terrorism.

I know we can discuss the topic for a long time, but still I think it is the biggest achievement of the liberal and open society I support that we are discussing it peacefully.

If bin Laden supported fundamentalism will come to dominate the world, I am afraid I will be, together with millions of other people, massacred the next day.

[Desperado]

Sources to know more about Bin Laden

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm- his description, and other data
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html- Bin Laden as a former CIA agent
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-11-2002_pg4_13 - about Bin laden's involvement in many terroristic acts, and so on

hmm...I am sure you can do the google search yourself.. so just let me tell you what i think about the man

He is a terrorist, because he said himself several times that he is responsible for many terroristic acts around the world, and 09/11 among them..

His group, Al Qaeda is still carrying out terroristic attacks around the world, and among many other bad things they are doing they are also training Uzbek terrorists and possibly supporting them financially.

from the other side, I will tell you honestly, I perfectly understand that, as I mentioned in my earlier post, it is not about who is right and who is wrong, it is about which side you support. Even if Bin Laden is not a terrorist, but just a Islamic fundamentalist, I am against him and the ideas he represents, because i dont share his values and principles.

It is perfectly ok with me as long as he and his followers do and think whatever they do and think without forcing others to follow them, but as they are trying to destroy the way of life and form of civilisation I admit as mine, I am against them.

Even if Bin Laden is a myth, even if he is a muppet, even if he is an american agent, the most dangerous thing is not him, as a person, but his ideas and values. He is serving as a role model for new generations of terrorists, his ideology is creating a genuine basis for terrorism.

I know we can discuss the topic for a long time, but still I think it is the biggest achievement of the liberal and open society I support that we are discussing it peacefully.

If bin Laden supported fundamentalism will come to dominate the world, I am afraid I will be, together with millions of other people, massacred the next day.


About your links, I am sorry but there is no single evidence which proves that bin Laden has done all the massacres he is accused of. Ozodlik, I think you are a grown up person, I still can not believe that you brought up these shabby links as a proof.
Bin Laden has never accepted the accusations. There are some sources saying that he has accepted the responsibility but its all lies with no evidence.

About 9/11, you have said that Bin Laden has claimed the responsibility. Are not you ashamed of writing lie? Where did you hear that? He has never claimed responsibilty for 9/11. The important thing he has said about 9/11 was that 'whoever has done the act, USA deserved it'. My friend please be careful of what you say, we are not small children to tell us such nonsence.

Another thing, Bin Laden was not an agent of CIA, but he has accepted the offer of USA to help him in liberating Afghanistan from Communists. This does not qualify him for American agent. If you remember Bin Laden's basic 3 goals in the beginning, which are to stop Jewish occupation of Palastinian Land, to liberate Afghanistan from Communists and to resist against American Military base in Saudi Arabia, then you will easily understand that Bin Laden is against American exploitation of muslim lands, he does not count USA as a friend.

Bin Laden is against interests of USA, he wants Americans leave alone muslim world and he wants the killings of muslims around the world in Palastine, Afghanistan, Chechnya and other places to be stopped.
For that reason USA has chosen him as a number one target and trying to show him as a 'satan' to the world. If you really would like to learn the real satan, then I advice you to read Noam Chomski. You will be stunned what America is indeed. But I think, you do not want to pop in to real world, will chose to live in your fantasy world, concieveing American media lies as truth, and keep accusing the people whom you do not know of terrorists.

Please note, dancing to Western music does not make you 'Advanced', 'Modern' or 'Intelligent', you will stay as just a naive of whom USA will have a good laugh at.

Take care.

[Ozodlik]

Thank you. Even if I admit that I am brainwashed to believe that Bin Laden is a terrorist, it is not to him personally that I am so vehemently opposed, but as I said the fundamentalist ideas he represents. I will read from Noam Chomski, but at the same time, in my turn, I advise you to read something from Iranian author Azar Nafisi, especially her book Reading Lolita in Tehran, on the dangers of using religion as an ideology..Among other things she writes, "At the beginning of the revolution, not only the Islamists but also the radical left were all very set in what they wanted and the way they saw the world. As the revolution progressed, two things happened to the young Islamists. One was that the Islamic Republic failed to live up to any of its claims, apart from oppressing people and changing the laws, lowering the age of marriage from eighteen to nine, it did not accomplish anything economically, socially, politically, or in terms of security. So there was this failure on the one hand. And on the other hand, people like Mr. Forsati, people who were leaders of the Muslim Students' Association, had much more access to Western products than my secular students did. And by and by, they became familiar with the Western world, and they found that this world was much more attractive and had much more to offer than the closed world that their leaders were promising them. They felt betrayed. " Also take a look at her project at the adress http://dialogueproject.sais-jhu.edu/

Best luck

[Ozodlik]

hmm...another small detail, I am not pro-American, nor pro-islamic, I am pro Uzbek..I see all the benefits democracy has brought to the west, and i see all the oppression and despotism brought by islamism in the arab world, and to afghanistan, especially during taliban..etc ..hmm.. bin laden and his friends want to turn uzbekistan into another afghanistan with taliban-like system, be careful about whom you support, if they will succeed, people in uzbekistan will never be able to post in this forum, because they will ban first internet, then music, then radio, they will start killing people publicly, etc..
Please, tell me that I am wrong and that you dont want this...hmmm..

[Marvin_Kaff]

hmm...another small detail, I am not pro-American, nor pro-islamic, I am pro Uzbek..I see all the benefits democracy has brought to the west, and i see all the oppression and despotism brought by islamism in the arab world, and to afghanistan, especially during taliban..etc ..hmm.. bin laden and his friends want to turn uzbekistan into another afghanistan with taliban-like system, be careful about whom you support, if they will succeed, people in uzbekistan will never be able to post in this forum, because they will ban first internet, then music, then radio, they will start killing people publicly, etc..
Please, tell me that I am wrong and that you dont want this...hmmm..
Ti nichego ne znaesh o Taliban, ni kak eto dvijenie zarodilos', ni kak oni pravili v Afganistane, ti ne znesh ih uspehi i ih neudachi. Tak chto prejde chem chto libo pisat' pro Taliban, pojaluysta... Na shet 'opression and despotism" , ti nichego opyat' je ne znaesh ob 'arab world'. MNogie arabi jivut v 100 raz luchshe chem tvoi sorodichi v Uzb.
Ya za ban gryaznoy muziki, graznogo radio, ot kotorogo tolku malo, i td...dumayu ya na odin.
Na shet "killing publicly" , esli etogo trebuet Shariat ya za..tak chto svoi preduprejdeniya priberegi dlya sebya. nu esli tol'ko ti boishsya za sebya...

[Wolfman]

Qiziq, odamlar bunchalik laqma bo'lmasa-ya?! CNN "qora" deganni qoralab, "oq" deganini oqlashsa... Bilmagan, guvohi bo'lmagan narsasi to'g'risida gapirish yaxshi emas.:? Mana masalan tarixdagi eng katta "utka"lardan: Armstrong ni Oyga chiqqani yolg'on ekanligini ko'pchilik bilmasa kerak... Haqiqat yuzaga chiqquncha sabr qilinglar, oz qoldi...;) Shunda bilamiz, Usama kim, tolibon kim...

Stan from South Park

[Desperado]

hmm...another small detail, I am not pro-American, nor pro-islamic, I am pro Uzbek..I see all the benefits democracy has brought to the west, and i see all the oppression and despotism brought by islamism in the arab world, and to afghanistan, especially during taliban..etc ..hmm.. bin laden and his friends want to turn uzbekistan into another afghanistan with taliban-like system, be careful about whom you support, if they will succeed, people in uzbekistan will never be able to post in this forum, because they will ban first internet, then music, then radio, they will start killing people publicly, etc..
Please, tell me that I am wrong and that you dont want this...hmmm..


Ozodlik, I am not pro-Bin Laden, but I am definitely an anti-American, and I am proud of that.
The things I will tell you below may seem strange and politically incorrect. But I am far away for long now trying to be politically correct.
I am a democrat and liberal just as you. But that has not pushed me to accuse religion of our backwardness. Please. That is absolutely unfair. Islam, as a religion, is the most advanced of all others and Islam supports developments in science and technology. Thats why our ancestors who accepted Islam in the early centuries, were most advanced of all world. You can count them starting from Bukhari, Khorezmi to Ulugbek and Babur. Now, can you tell me, if Islam was against science and development, then how that renaissance of Central Asia started after the people accepted Islam? Was that a coincidence? Absolutely not.
But in the late centuries, Religion was used as a tool for Khans and rulers, and they abused the religion. Islam presented to people as something different, they hide the real meaning of ayats, this way we distanced ourselves from true Islam, and particularly thanks to that, we fall in the mud of backwardness.
About taliban and others. I do not know who the real Taliban are. I am willing to learn hopefully soon from many various sources about them. But I am not going to listen to what Western media says about them. I have main own brain to think and analyse, therefore I will take my chance.

[Ozodlik]

yes, but what I am afraid that the fundamentalists if they will come to power will abuse Islam the same way khans and other rulers did.

Taliban's atrocities are not inventions of western media. Taliban did ban television, they did ban music, they did kill people just because they thought and acted differently from them..
And besides, even from the national Uzbek point of view, I would be absolutely against any islamic state with the center in Mecca, Damascus..

You accuse me of being manipulated by western media, but dont you think that islamists and fundamentalist are maybe more manipulated and brainwashed by superficially good ideas, but in the essence which represent nothing more than a leverage in the power struggle between some countries or religious groups.

The British claim that they fight against terrorism in Irak, but in London let freely operate hizbut-tahrir which serves, arguably, as the political and ideological wing and charity collecting branch for more radical groups like IMU, AL QAEDA, etc
The Turks, at home, are very hostile to Nurcular and their leader Fethullah Gulen so that he lives more in the US, but fully support this group in central asia because it serves to their political aims of spreading pan-turkism..
Americans after so many years of manhunt cannot still capture Bin Laden...and from time to time issue warnings about possible terrorist attacks in Tashkent...

[Desperado]

yes, but what I am afraid that the fundamentalists if they will come to power will abuse Islam the same way khans and other rulers did.

Taliban's atrocities are not inventions of western media. Taliban did ban television, they did ban music, they did kill people just because they thought and acted differently from them..
And besides, even from the national Uzbek point of view, I would be absolutely against any islamic state with the center in Mecca, Damascus..

You accuse me of being manipulated by western media, but dont you think that islamists and fundamentalist are maybe more manipulated and brainwashed by superficially good ideas, but in the essence which represent nothing more than a leverage in the power struggle between some countries or religious groups.

The British claim that they fight against terrorism in Irak, but in London let freely operate hizbut-tahrir which serves, arguably, as the political and ideological wing and charity collecting branch for more radical groups like IMU, AL QAEDA, etc
The Turks, at home, are very hostile to Nurcular and their leader Fethullah Gulen so that he lives more in the US, but fully support this group in central asia because it serves to their political aims of spreading pan-turkism..
Americans after so many years of manhunt cannot still capture Bin Laden...and from time to time issue warnings about possible terrorist attacks in Tashkent...

At last there are a few points I can agree with you. To be clear, it is about Western manupulation of religious 'extremist' groups.
I totally agree that there are some Islamic groups without even a small secular knowledge claiming to 'establish Khilafa'. That is absolutely ridiculous.
On the other side, Ozodlik, I guess you are forgotting that not all of these groups are brainwashed, stupid people. There are groups, who are fully counscious of their actions, intelligent both secular and religiouswise and who are rightly claiming the their Right to Live. Example is 'The brigade of Martyrs' and 'Hizbollah' in Palastine. Personally I do niether support nor against their fight against the terror of state of Israel. But at the same time simpathise with them for what they have been through all these time. And I do not condemn their way of fight, if they see that method as the only way to stop Isreali occupation.
About Uzbekistan, it is a complex problem, but I condemn government policy towards peacefull religious population which escalated the conflict as well as IMU.
I suppose you have never thought of why all these religious conflicts are arousing and why there are many extremist groups are starting to appear. Well thats because the rights of minority and week have been violated and they have been ruthlessly oppressed all over the world. Take any example you want to. Most of the minority and weak groups revolt for the same reason. And when they see that there is no way or few ways to exist, they chose extremes.

[Maroon]

Ti nichego ne znaesh o Taliban, ni kak eto dvijenie zarodilos', ni kak oni pravili v Afganistane, ti ne znesh ih uspehi i ih neudachi. Tak chto prejde chem chto libo pisat' pro Taliban, pojaluysta... Na shet 'opression and despotism" , ti nichego opyat' je ne znaesh ob 'arab world'. MNogie arabi jivut v 100 raz luchshe chem tvoi sorodichi v Uzb.
Ya za ban gryaznoy muziki, graznogo radio, ot kotorogo tolku malo, i td...dumayu ya na odin.
Na shet "killing publicly" , esli etogo trebuet Shariat ya za..tak chto svoi preduprejdeniya priberegi dlya sebya. nu esli tol'ko ti boishsya za sebya...
Ouch ouch. U must be one of their cheerleaders?Mdaa. :lol:

[Desperado]

kids to Flame, begom!

[Mogul]

Мне никогда не импонировали эти талибаны. Объясню почему. Во первых все знают (ну или почти все) что талибаны создавались совсем для иных целей нежели строение халифата. в основном Пакистан и чуть чуть может быть Китай создали политическую партию (Талибан) как контр силу против Индии. В основу была заложенна идеалогия но цели были совсем иные. Но это не главное.
Например вспомните последний халифат. Османский халифат который рулил исламским миром почти 600 лет. Этот халифат может быть идеальным образцом для строения государства. Как много терпимости как много справедливости было в этом государстве. приведу лищь немного примеров.
- Во время крестовых походов на Испанию, крестоносцы резали всех подряд мусульман и иудеев. Османская империя эвакуировала всех иудеев и мусульман к себе в Турцию. Поэтому до сих пор многие иудеи любят Турцию.
- Почти 350 лет Истанбул, столица мусульманского мира, была также столицей для православия. всего 150 лет назад Русская церковь отделилась.
- Армянская католическая церковь была в городе Ване. И чтобы они тоже не почувствовали ущемленными Султан приказал перенести церковь из Вана в Стамбул.

Так теперь посмотрим на талибан. Что такого примечательного они сделали? Да ничего если не считать разруху, и стереотип невежды муслима.

[Marvin_Kaff]

Так теперь посмотрим на талибан. Что такого примечательного они сделали? Да ничего если не считать разруху, и стереотип невежды муслима.
Ali, esho raz prochitay kak zarodilos' dvijenie Taliban. A kak ti dumaesh mnogo li chego mojno za neskol'ko let dobitsya ,posle pochti 30 let voyni? I kogda vse i vokrug palki v kolesa vstavlyayut... stereotipi govorsih, ne speshi, mnogie v Aganistane na mnogo luchshe musulmane chem ti, a dlya Allaha (SWT) net stereotipov.

[Desperado]

Usama bin Laden Denies Charges and Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11 Attacks

KABUL, Afghanistan (Ummat): Prominent Arab mojahed (freedom fighter) Usama bin Laden or the Al-Qaida group has nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the Bush Administration, according to an Usama bin Laden interview with Ummat, the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper. In his interview, Usama bin Laden pointed out that the Israeli regime is behind the 9-11 attacks. He expressed gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging the Pakistani people to continue their jehad against dictators, tyrants, traitors, crooks, criminals, dictatorships and tyrannies. Following is the text of Usama Bin Laden's interview conducted by a "special correspondent" and published in the daily Ummat on Friday, 28 September 2001. [The place and date of the interview was not given by Ummat.]

Daily UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (saw) for our guidance. I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.

Daily UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qaida declare a jehad against these Islamic countries as well?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want? Al-Qaida was set up to wage a jehad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jehad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam (There is only one God in the entire universe and Muhammad is the last Prophet of God), prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jehad. Al-Qaida wants to keep jehad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jehad. We are in favour of armed jehad only against those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful Afghans] Muhammad Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jehad. We are grateful to them.

[Desperado]

Daily UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S.is not too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qaida not targeting their economic pillars?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.

Daily UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.

USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

Daily UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is beingreceived from your sources about the network of Al-Qaida and its jehadi successes. Would you comment?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jehad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

Daily UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qaida accounts by the U.S.?

USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qaida or other jehad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qaida has more than three alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jehad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qaida comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

Daily UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jehad?

USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jehadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jehad. Thanks to God, those waging a jehad can walk today with their heads raised. Jehad was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jehad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

Daily UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on Afghanistan attack?

USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jehad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jehads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jehad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

- Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7. - Source: BBC Monitoring Service. - Source: http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2 (http://www.khilafah.comhttp://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2)

[one muslim]

Ochen' Provakacionnaya tema. za takiye topiki, ya kogo-to predupredila bi, ili zabanila na fik! chto znachit Usama ne Vinoven? Al' Kaida eto chto, Blagotvoritel'naya Organizaciya? Ili sobraniye boy skautov? I mne blevat' ohota ot virajeniy i slovosochetaniy vrode "...cuz of only 4000 dead people.."
Just??? wtf?:evil:
Vseh etih hrenovih vahhabitov, hizbutchikov, osvoboditel'nih borcov, blah blah blah kozlov, nado veshat'! Umirat' oni hotyat viditeli, DA NAZDAROVYE! no pochemu s nimi doljni pomirat' mnojestva nevinnih jertv?
Korohe, screw Osama!
War agains disbilievers will not stop untill dwellers of the earth all become muslims. It is said in Hadithes and in ayats of Quran. So there is no way. In order to stop this war you have to kill all the muslims and destroy Islam totally. But you will never be able to do this.

[ganjubas]

There is more harm then benefit from this person. He may be an angel, but unfortunately everyone makes mistakes. A decision by a smart and kind person is not necessarily right one. And, nobody really knows what is driving him, wealth and fame, or struggle for religion.

Think for one second. Imagine the whole story of "Usama" is just an operation by CIA. We don't know who he really is, so it is possible. So, let's say he is an agent. Wouldn't he be a good agent? Because, he is a reason US can attack Afghanistan and Iraq. He is the reason why Americans can deport any religious muslim from their country and they can restrict muslim from entering their country. Because of American influence they can force or push other countries to restrict entry to muslims. Americans can boycott any country just by "finding" evidence of Usama's links with that country.

Why I think so? Pakistan was always supporting him, and even now Usama is probably there. But, why don't Americans punish Pakistan? Because it is their ally and it is too strong to be punished. But at the same time, they can attack Iraq which had a secular government and which never had any links with Usama.

It is too naive to make any judgements about him. But, what is true is that his way is not a way out of crisis for muslim countries. Malasian former president's tactics are more realistic and achievable and less harmful to everybody around (muslims, christians or even Jews).

[PainKiller]

War agains disbilievers will not stop untill dwellers of the earth all become muslims. It is said in Hadithes and in ayats of Quran. So there is no way. In order to stop this war you have to kill all the muslims and destroy Islam totally. But you will never be able to do this. Slish, Fanatik. Mne takie kak ti voobshe ne simpotiziruyut.
Nashlis' Haripi ubivayushie Nevernih.
Ot$$ites' koroche.
Ya sama vseh vas gotova zarezat'-so called muslims. :evil:

[Desperado]

There is more harm then benefit from this person. He may be an angel, but unfortunately everyone makes mistakes. A decision by a smart and kind person is not necessarily right one. And, nobody really knows what is driving him, wealth and fame, or struggle for religion.

Think for one second. Imagine the whole story of "Usama" is just an operation by CIA. We don't know who he really is, so it is possible. So, let's say he is an agent. Wouldn't he be a good agent? Because, he is a reason US can attack Afghanistan and Iraq. He is the reason why Americans can deport any religious muslim from their country and they can restrict muslim from entering their country. Because of American influence they can force or push other countries to restrict entry to muslims. Americans can boycott any country just by "finding" evidence of Usama's links with that country.

Why I think so? Pakistan was always supporting him, and even now Usama is probably there. But, why don't Americans punish Pakistan? Because it is their ally and it is too strong to be punished. But at the same time, they can attack Iraq which had a secular government and which never had any links with Usama.

It is too naive to make any judgements about him. But, what is true is that his way is not a way out of crisis for muslim countries. Malasian former president's tactics are more realistic and achievable and less harmful to everybody around (muslims, christians or even Jews).


very simple reasoning.
if there was not Usama, Americans would find 'another Usama' and another 'al-qaeda'.
have you heard about the theory of 'necessity of enemy' for survival?
and probably you are right about the tactics he is using. Allah knows the best.

[Desperado]

Slish, Fanatik. Mne takie kak ti voobshe ne simpotiziruyut.
Nashlis' Haripi ubivayushie Nevernih.
Ot$$ites' koroche.
Ya sama vseh vas gotova zarezat'-so called muslims. :evil:


i started having allergy against posts of this chick...

[PainKiller]

i started having allergy against posts of this chick... I have an idea for u-Put me into ur ignore list. How do u like that?
I am totally against of Mass Murdering ONLY BECAUSE THEY R NOT MUSLIMS.
:evil:

[Desperado]

I have an idea for u-Put me into ur ignore list. How do u like that?
I am totally against of Mass Murdering ONLY BECAUSE THEY R NOT MUSLIMS.
:evil:

kim sanga 'mass murdering' devotti-a? qattan topasan san shunaqa ig'vo gaplani?

agar one muslimmi 'War agains disbilievers will not stop untill dwellers of the earth all become muslims' gapini etvotgan bosen, buni boshqa ma'nosi bor.

[var]

Слабые всегда обвиняют сильных в своих несчастьях и неудачах....так что кто то любит штаты, кто то не любит....это всё равно как в басне Крылова "слон и моська"....сколько не гафкать на штаты на оон на запад толку не прибавится т.к. здесь деньги а без денег ни куда.

[PainKiller]

kim sanga 'mass murdering' devotti-a? qattan topasan san shunaqa ig'vo gaplani?

agar one muslimmi 'War agains disbilievers will not stop untill dwellers of the earth all become muslims' gapini etvotgan bosen, buni boshqa ma'nosi bor. Ok, san manga disbelievers kimligini ayt oldin.
Usama ben ladenni oldini olib, uni oopoq babachoq qilib korsatganlarga tegishli mening postim. Ayt, worlds trade centerni posrtlatganlar-mass murder bomasdan katta holammi?
Beslan katta homalli? Men ularni qigan ishi din emas, ozining shahsiy, pastask fikrlari uchun deb oylayman. Shuning uchun "so called muslims" iborasini ishlatdim. Tepmagan bosa, uzr.

[elDoraDo]

sobstevnno govorya - i WTC i Beslan k islamu nikakogo otnosheniya ne imeet!

[PainKiller]

sobstevnno govorya - i WTC i Beslan k islamu nikakogo otnosheniya ne imeet! Konechno ne imeet. S**i zhe oni!
I menya besit kogda eti lyudi vzivayut Ummu podnyatsya na nogi i idti protiv neverniyh.:rolleyes:

[Desperado]

Ok, san manga disbelievers kimligini ayt oldin.
Usama ben ladenni oldini olib, uni oopoq babachoq qilib korsatganlarga tegishli mening postim. Ayt, worlds trade centerni posrtlatganlar-mass murder bomasdan katta holammi?
Beslan katta homalli? Men ularni qigan ishi din emas, ozining shahsiy, pastask fikrlari uchun deb oylayman. Shuning uchun "so called muslims" iborasini ishlatdim. Tepmagan bosa, uzr.

manga qara, world trade centreri portlatgan musulmonlar emas, bu isbot qilingan fakt. boshqa isbotlangan fakt esa, WTC ni portlatganla Zionistlar bo'ladi. Manda bu haqda yetarli ma'lumotla bor.

bularni o'qib zaharhanda tirjayishga harakat qivotgan bo'sen, foydasiz. I do not care. Lekin san agar TV ko'rsatvotgan, Gazetada yozilvotgan narslararni haqiqat deb oylavotgan bosen, ahmoqsan.

Ko'zini och, vaqting kam qolgan, keyin umuman ochilmaydi.

[PainKiller]

manga qara, world trade centreri portlatgan musulmonlar emas, bu isbot qilingan fakt. boshqa isbotlangan fakt esa, WTC ni portlatganla Zionistlar bo'ladi. Manda bu haqda yetarli ma'lumotla bor.

bularni o'qib zaharhanda tirjayishga harakat qivotgan bo'sen, foydasiz. I do not care. Lekin san agar TV ko'rsatvotgan, Gazetada yozilvotgan narslararni haqiqat deb oylavotgan bosen, ahmoqsan.

Ko'zini och, vaqting kam qolgan, keyin umuman ochilmaydi. Zionistla portlatgan? Manga link ber shu info togrisida.
Astogfirillo. Men ularni terrorist dedim, islom maskasini yopinvogan. Man ulani Musulmonchilikdan qigan deganim yoq. Postlarimmi oqib chiq. Astopirillo. Lekin Zinistla degan gaping bo'lsa, voopshe ahmoqona uydurma. Korsat menga bironta link. Man ahmoq oqib haa, desperado akam togri aytgan ekan! deb, ogzimmi ochib otirib qole, agar ilozhisi bo'lsa.

[Desperado]

Zionistla portlatgan? Manga link ber shu info togrisida.
Astogfirillo. Men ularni terrorist dedim, islom maskasini yopinvogan. Man ulani Musulmonchilikdan qigan deganim yoq. Postlarimmi oqib chiq. Astopirillo. Lekin Zinistla degan gaping bo'lsa, voopshe ahmoqona uydurma. Korsat menga bironta link. Man ahmoq oqib haa, desperado akam togri aytgan ekan! deb, ogzimmi ochib otirib qole, agar ilozhisi bo'lsa.

ho'p man sanga beraman o'sha linkni, bitta emas, ming bitta link beraman. Lekin ularni o'qib chiqasanmi yo'mi, manga qorong'u. Agar haqiqatan qiziqvotgann bosen, ohirigacha o'qiyolsen mana, marhamat:



http://www.voxfux.com/features/stranger_than_fiction.htm

[PainKiller]

ho'p man sanga beraman o'sha linkni, bitta emas, ming bitta link beraman. Lekin ularni o'qib chiqasanmi yo'mi, manga qorong'u. Agar haqiqatan qiziqvotgann bosen, ohirigacha o'qiyolsen mana, marhamat:



http://www.voxfux.com/features/stranger_than_fiction.htm Desperado, seni yomon koraman, sanam mani yahshi kormasligin sir emas. Lekin bergan linkini kordim. Gappi post kallasi:Leviy saytlarning linkini bermasdan, sal nadyozhniyrog'larida topishi ilozhisi bormi? Manam bunaqa ozining "Private Investigation"ini qigan Zhismoniy shahslarning saytlarida nima gaplar bolib yotganini aytsam, ogzin ochiladi. Iltimos, agar ilozhi bol'sa-Damini ol, harip deb erinsenam tushunaman-UNO, ili shunga ohshagan appropirate organizationning fikridan kelib chiqqan holdagi informaciyadan bosa ber. Bomasa, shu mening ohirgi postim. bergan linkini korib chiqdim. Rosti, ohirigacha oqimadim. Sokrat balo battar degan joyini tashab kettim. Manga fakt kere ;)

[Desperado]

Desperado, seni yomon koraman, sanam mani yahshi kormasligin sir emas. Lekin bergan linkini kordim. Gappi post kallasi:Leviy saytlarning linkini bermasdan, sal nadyozhniyrog'larida topishi ilozhisi bormi? Manam bunaqa ozining "Private Investigation"ini qigan Zhismoniy shahslarning saytlarida nima gaplar bolib yotganini aytsam, ogzin ochiladi. Iltimos, agar ilozhi bol'sa-Damini ol, harip deb erinsenam tushunaman-UNO, ili shunga ohshagan appropirate organizationning fikridan kelib chiqqan holdagi informaciyadan bosa ber. Bomasa, shu mening ohirgi postim. bergan linkini korib chiqdim. Rosti, ohirigacha oqimadim. Sokrat balo battar degan joyini tashab kettim. Manga fakt kere ;)


hehe, biludim shunaqa deyishini.

take care, mani sanga aytadigan gapim yo.

ps. man sani nimaga yomon korishim kere ekan tushinmadim. sani judayam hurmat qilaman. a mani yomon korsen korur, bu sani ishin :cool:

[PainKiller]

hehe, biludim shunaqa deyishini.

take care, mani sanga aytadigan gapim yo.

ps. man sani nimaga yomon korishim kere ekan tushinmadim. sani judayam hurmat qilaman. a mani yomon korsen korur, bu sani ishin :cool: Nu izvini, agar man sanga hozir bir odammi hmepagini bersam-da, u erda u arablarning Jugutlari hapa qilayotganini "isbotlagan" bo'lsa, nima qilar eding. Men sendan faqatgina oficial site ber dedim holos. Nimasi tushunarsiz? :rolleyes:

[Desperado]

Nu izvini, agar man sanga hozir bir odammi hmepagini bersam-da, u erda u arablarning Jugutlari hapa qilayotganini "isbotlagan" bo'lsa, nima qilar eding. Men sendan faqatgina oficial site ber dedim holos. Nimasi tushunarsiz? :rolleyes:

etmadimmi sanga, bitta emas, ming bitta sayt beraman, officialiniyam beraman.
lekin san avval teppadagini qarab chiq, linklani qara, referanslani qara, oshettayam yuzlab official information topasan.

[Alouddin]

we shall overcome one day...

[var]

we shall overcome one day...Вообще натписи похожие по смыслу на те что на бомбах (тоже религиозного характера только христианского) были и когда бомбили Сербию.

в остольном no comments

[Wolfman]

we shall overcome one day...
Bizni ko'chalarda ham chiroq yonib qolib, bizni ham X-mas va Mitzvah ga "sovg'a" jo'natishga qurbimiz yetib qolar :rolleyes: :D




Stan waiting...

[var]

Воообще я еще хотел добавить....наверно будет так лет, через 100 у арабов кончится нефть и они забудут и про "джихад" и про "кафиров" и т.д. и ночнут убивать друг друга в борьбе за воду....т.к. воды мало на ближнем востоке и ни кто ее просто так не даст, а евреев отнять не получится. ;)

А то что Бин - Ладен организовал 11 сентября....он здесь скорее как пугало, не думаю что сидя в какойто пещере где то в горах можно организовать такое, вообще 11 сентября привело к новому переделу мира и к новому вливанию $$$ в ВПК т.е. (военно промышленный комплекс)...которого ни у кого из арабов нет и быть уже не может в принципе. Это все плюсы только для одной стороны, сами знаете какой.

Я думаю всё еще в переди...

[Desperado]

Воообще я еще хотел добавить....наверно будет так лет, через 100 у арабов кончится нефть и они забудут и про "джихад" и про "кафиров" и т.д. и ночнут убивать друг друга в борьбе за воду...

ochen', slyshkom tupo skazano :?

[Alouddin]

peace var,

"Вообще я еще хотел добавить....наверно будет так лет, через 100 у арабов кончится нефть и они забудут и про "джихад" и про "кафиров" и т.д. и ночнут убивать друг друга в борьбе за воду....т.к. воды мало на ближнем востоке и ни кто ее просто так не даст, а евреев отнять не получится. ;)" ya ne dumayu, chto araby "zabudut" pro jihad i kafirov i t.d. potomu chto ludi shli na jihad vo vremya Muhammada saw daje peshkom! think about it. A vot naschot otnyat u yevreyev vodu... A pochemu ty dumayesh, chto arabam bolshe ne u kogo prosit (?) vody cherez 100 (?) let??? chto, yevrei yedinstvenni narod na Blij.Vostoke u kogo yest rezervy vody?.. interesting idea... rather curious one...

"А то что Бин - Ладен организовал 11 сентября....он здесь скорее как пугало, не думаю что сидя в какойто пещере где то в горах можно организовать такое" soglasen na vse 100.

"вообще 11 сентября привело к новому переделу мира и к новому вливанию $$$ в ВПК т.е. (военно промышленный комплекс)...которого ни у кого из арабов нет и быть уже не может в принципе." a pochemu eto u nih net VPK?" chto vot sovsem-sovsem net? "i uje ne mojet byt v prinsipe"???

"Это все плюсы только для одной стороны, сами знаете какой." enlighten me pls

"Я думаю всё еще в переди..." vpolne vozmojno...

a mir tak tesen...

[var]

ochen', slyshkom tupo skazano :???? надо учится образно мыслить....;)
всё богатство арабов это нефть, я думаю именно эти деньги спонсировали и спонсируют и 11 сентября и Чечню и Талибов, а делается это для того что бы отвлеч внимание от своих внутренних проблем, которые там есть и не маленькие...ты понял к чему я клоню???
Нефть рано или позно кончится...пока они просто тупо получают бабки за нее и сами ни когда не построили бы ни одной вышки...просто это история показала уже...
А насчет ВПК так зачем им это надо, когда можно покупать оружее? Только на самом деле не все продается.
А для того что бы был ВПК....это другая тема но если коротко то нет у них ни технологий ни опыта.
А насчет "отнять воду у евреев" так она у них всегда будет на то они и "евреи". :D
А то что у них самая сильная армия на ближнем востоке по моему это не оспоримый факт.

Извиняюсь за офтоп.

[Desperado]

??? надо учится образно мыслить....;)
всё богатство арабов это нефть, я думаю именно эти деньги спонсировали и спонсируют и 11 сентября и Чечню и Талибов, а делается это для того что бы отвлеч внимание от своих внутренн