Mejdu Malchikami i Devochkami!!!

[Focus]

Qizlar-u hoy qizlar. Hotelosbi' usli'shat' vashe otkrovenniy, chestniy otvet.

"Vot vi' vihodite zamush i vashi' roditeli predlojili list of 4 people. All of them are different in character, in financial matters and emotional state.
U vas spiske 4 tipa mujchini':
1. Rich (neither smart nor handsome)
2. Smart (this guy is really smart but neither handsome nor rich;)
3. Handsome (very good looking guy but neither rich nor smart)
4. Rich and handsome (but not smart)

You have only one chance to meet with each of them and make your decision.
WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE? :?

[Maroon]

I am sorry but the list is too small.

You could also put: Handsome (smart, not rich but with a future pontential)

Rich differs from wealthy. Middle-class differs from wealthy and poor differ from middle-class.

Anyway, this is NOT as easy as it seems.

You should not forget that the chances are low of rich families putting up a person who is not rich at all. And a poor family is unlikely to put a rich person either. Rich families are likey to put up Middle-class and poor could put up a middle-class as well.

So tell me from which point of ascpet it is.

Plus, smart does not mean he has a future pontential, so could you please add that to your list?

This a complicated situation.

D.

[Focus]

I am sorry but the list is too small.

You could also put: Handsome (smart, not rich but with a future pontential)

Rich differs from wealthy. Middle-class differs from wealthy and poor differ from middle-class.

Anyway, this is NOT as easy as it seems.

You should not forget that the chances are low of rich families putting up a person who is not rich at all. And a poor family is unlikely to put a rich person either. Rich families are likey to put up Middle-class and poor could put up a middle-class as well.

So tell me from which point of ascpet it is.

Plus, smart does not mean he has a future pontential, so could you please add that to your list?

This a complicated situation.

D.[QUOTE=Shopgirl]

I am sorry but the list is too small.
THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE QUESTION.

You could also put: Handsome (smart, not rich but with a future pontential)
NO, I CAN'T. IF I DO THAT THEN I WON'T GET THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IN MY MIND. FUTURE POTENTIAL IS VAGUE. I CAN'T RELY ON THE FUTURE. FUTURE IS FORECAST AND FORECAST IS SUBJECT TO ERROR.

Rich differs from wealthy. Middle-class differs from wealthy and poor differ from middle-class.
YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT LIVE IT AS IT IS. THERE'S NO BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WEALTHY AND RICH. IN THIS CASE LET'S FOCUS ON A PERSON WHO CAN AFFOR MANY THINGS, LIKE, CAN AFFORD TO TRAVEL TO ANYWAY, HAS 2-3 NEXIA, 2-3 CARS, COUPLE OF $100,000 IN SAVINGS,...

Anyway, this is NOT as easy as it seems.
SURE, I UNDERSTAND.

You should not forget that the chances are low of rich families putting up a person who is not rich at all. And a poor family is unlikely to put a rich person either. Rich families are likey to put up Middle-class and poor could put up a middle-class as well.
YOU'RE RIGHT BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. THIS IS NOT A CASE ALL THE TIME.

So tell me from which point of ascpet it is.
I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THE WAY IT IS IN THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT. I KNOW IT IS VAGUE. I WANT TO SEE YOU DECISION.

Plus, smart does not mean he has a future pontential, so could you please add that to your list?
I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT FUTURE POTENTIALITY OF ANY OF THOSE IN THE LIST. RICH MAY BECOME POOR AND SMART MAY/MAY NOT HAVE FUTURE.

This a complicated situation.
100% AGREE. MANY PEOPLE FACE THIS KINDA SITUATION. OF COURSE, THERE'RE OTHER BELIEFS BUT, AT THIS TIME, LET'S LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

[SARDOR]

Qizlar-u hoy qizlar. Hotelosbi' usli'shat' vashe otkrovenniy, chestniy otvet.

"Vot vi' vihodite zamush i vashi' roditeli predlojili list of 4 people. All of them are different in character, in financial matters and emotional state.
U vas spiske 4 tipa mujchini':
1. Rich (neither smart nor handsome)
2. Smart (this guy is really smart but neither handsome nor rich;)
3. Handsome (very good looking guy but neither rich nor smart)
4. Rich and handsome (but not smart)

You have only one chance to meet with each of them and make your decision.
WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE? :?
Focus ti uj izveni, no ti sluchayno ne vhodish vo vtoroy nomer???:rolleyes:

[Focus]

Focus ti uj izveni, no ti sluchayno ne vhodish vo vtoroy nomer???:rolleyes:
Sorry, I can't answer to you question. But, in terms of smart, hmmm, no, I am not, definitely not smart. However, I'm lucky.:)

[Maroon]

Well if HE IS RICH that means he has made his own money.;) Haha. Ti hot skaji 'from a rich family'.

[Focus]

Well if HE IS RICH that means he has made his own money.;) Haha. Ti hot skaji 'from a rich family'.

Ok. You're right. If person is rich that means he/she has got money because, as you mention, they earned it somehow.

Ti hot skaji 'from a rich family'
Kakaya raznisa v Uzbekistan, kogda bo'lshinstvo molodyejey (not married yet, age between 18-28 if you want to) bogati'e potomu chto ih roditeli bogati, a ne potomu chto unih v golove moshnaya mashina rabotaet. If you didn't know then I don't know what to say. :(

All I wanted is an answer to the statement.:oops:

Bizni qizlani ko'p holatda nima volnuet demoqchman holos.

[Maroon]

I do not know what kind of list this is. But you have some issues regarding rich people.

Smart (not handsome but rich)

Mol takoe oshushenie chto bogatie vse tupie.

Eto u tebya svoy list ili otkuda to vzyal?

CAN AFFORD TO TRAVEL TO ANYWAY, HAS 2-3 NEXIA, 2-3 CARS, COUPLE OF $100,000 IN SAVINGS

That is not rich. that goes more with wealthy. Rich people do not have couple of thousands but millions. ;)

2. Smart (this guy is really smart but neither handsome nor rich

Is he charasmatic?Or not at all?

Obyasni otkuda vzyal etot list potom otvechu.

[PainKiller]

Focus, Mne by ne odin iz nih ne podoshyol.
Ne budu vrat'-Dlya menya vneshniy vid cheloveka ochen' vazhen. V konce koncov deti berut nachalo ot svoih roditely. Ya ne hochu chto-by u menya byli deti s krivymi, korotkimi nogami. Imho. Dlya menya bezumno vazhno chto-by chelovek byl chistoplotnym, Umnym(nu hotya-by ne tupee menya), i simpotichnym.
A babki eto ne reshayushij faktor. Chelovek esli on Umniy, naydyot svoy put'.
no chto-by zamuzh za urodca ili tupogo, bud' on dazhe millionerom...Ya pass ;)

[Maroon]

U ne krasivih toje deti bivaut krasivie, esli chto.

Ya ranshe govorila 'Da ne nujen mne muj s sostoyatelniy (does not mean super rich) semyi, hot budet bomjom budu s nim.' Chestno skazat? Ya uje tak ne dumau, potomu okazivaetsya ne takuj i vse legko. Vse ravno chustuvuetsya raznica, tembolee to the one who is not the wealthy or rich one. Govorit to legko, a vot kogda delo do hodit do etogo uje so vsem po drugomu.

IMHO, it is easier for a girl to marry a wealthy/rich guy than for guy who gets married to a girl from a wealthy/rich guy.

I also think that people would and do have much easier time with one another if they are from the same 'class', IN UZBEBEKISTAN.

Ya ne pro alfonsov govoru, komu pofigu. Ya pro serious relantionships.

Ciao.

[Focus]

Focus, Mne by ne odin iz nih ne podoshyol.
Ne budu vrat'-Dlya menya vneshniy vid cheloveka ochen' vazhen. V konce koncov deti berut nachalo ot svoih roditely. Ya ne hochu chto-by u menya byli deti s krivymi, korotkimi nogami. Imho. Dlya menya bezumno vazhno chto-by chelovek byl chistoplotnym, Umnym(nu hotya-by ne tupee menya), i simpotichnym.
A babki eto ne reshayushij faktor. Chelovek esli on Umniy, naydyot svoy put'.
no chto-by zamuzh za urodca ili tupogo, bud' on dazhe millionerom...Ya pass ;)
Thanks for your honesty and reply:)

[Focus]

:) U ne krasivih toje deti bivaut krasivie, esli chto.

Ya ranshe govorila 'Da ne nujen mne muj s sostoyatelniy (does not mean super rich) semyi, hot budet bomjom budu s nim.' Chestno skazat? Ya uje tak ne dumau, potomu okazivaetsya ne takuj i vse legko. Vse ravno chustuvuetsya raznica, tembolee to the one who is not the wealthy or rich one. Govorit to legko, a vot kogda delo do hodit do etogo uje so vsem po drugomu.

IMHO, it is easier for a girl to marry a wealthy/rich guy than for guy who gets married to a girl from a wealthy/rich guy.

I also think that people would and do have much easier time with one another if they are from the same 'class', IN UZBEBEKISTAN.

Ya ne pro alfonsov govoru, komu pofigu. Ya pro serious relantionships.

Ciao.
Thanks, I think I've got your point. I appreciate it.

[Maroon]

U menya bil paren,takoy krasiviy, umniy, i s horoshiy semyi. Ah, nu ne poluchilos u nas. Dostachno dolgo vstrechalis,but many things happened between us and we just broke up. Nothing is perfect, vsegda budet ne dostatok.

D.

[Focus]

U menya bil paren,takoy krasiviy, umniy, i s horoshiy semyi. Ah, nu ne poluchilos u nas. Dostachno dolgo vstrechalis,but many things happened between us and we just broke up. Nothing is perfect, vsegda budet ne dostatok.

D.
Da, my apologies. Nemogu nechye skazat. At least, do you keep in touch?

By the way to your comments on one of the member's picture:
Malchiki, vse devushki u nas krasivie. Poetomu ni nado zdes kak babi orat po vsyu. Glupo sravnivat potomu chto vse krasivie po svoemu. Plus, u vseh svoy vkus est' komu to bolshe chelovek nravitsya i komu to net. So, chill guys. Desperado luchshe sam bi postavil fotku. http://www.forum.uz/gallery/images/wink.gif

Ya soglasen na schyet "vkus."U vseh vkuz po raznomu. Ona pomoemu simpotichnaya.


Shopgirl, you have a very nice childhood picture of yours. I like it a lot. Where are you at? I tried to figure out your location (kotta qiz bo'lib qolgan rasmingizdagi joyga qarab), but that place, I definitely don't know.


Esli ya ne oshibayus ИнкоГниТо and Yabloko odin i totje chelovek. If so, here are my comments on your photo. Konechno ti' krasivaya jenshina, esli eto ti' nasamom dele. Nu ti' silno izminilas. Ya smotryu na photo 1 and 6, i chto to ne smog sravnit; mne tvoi photos pokasalis kak butdo razni'e lyudi no i est chto-to pohojee. prosto potom podumal chto u tebya tam v jizni chto -to silno izmenilos...

Respect ya all!:)

[Maroon]

Focus, tam bil razgovor o tom chto odna bila krasivee drugoy, i ya skazala chto tak ne pravilno. Well my other pictures was taken in Cannes,France.

Have fun.

[Focus]

Focus, tam bil razgovor o tom chto odna bila krasivee drugoy, i ya skazala chto tak ne pravilno. Well my other pictures was taken in Cannes,France.

Have fun.
I agree with you. Please, post more pictures of yours. O'zbek ayeli chehrasini ko'rmaganiga ancha bo'ldi. Baribir bizani qizla boshqacha bo'ladide. Yuzi qanaqadir istarali + yerug (o't to'la) bo'ladimi deyman.

Thanks

[spoon]

Qizlar-u hoy qizlar. Hotelosbi' usli'shat' vashe otkrovenniy, chestniy otvet.

"Vot vi' vihodite zamush i vashi' roditeli predlojili list of 4 people. All of them are different in character, in financial matters and emotional state.
U vas spiske 4 tipa mujchini':
1. Rich (neither smart nor handsome)
2. Smart (this guy is really smart but neither handsome nor rich;)
3. Handsome (very good looking guy but neither rich nor smart)
4. Rich and handsome (but not smart)

You have only one chance to meet with each of them and make your decision.
WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE? :?

man, if you rely on forum.uz for tips on getting girls - you have some issues..

[MegaZ]

This is very sad...

[SoniTa]

да лёгкая задача:
выйти замуж за номер четыре - при этом составить брачный контракт в свою пользу, а так как он тупой, то ничего не поймёт. Он красавчик поэтому будет красиво смотрется на месте жениха, устроить свадьбу зашибись, нафоткать воток... А потом можно развестись и забрать все его деньги и жить в своё удовольствие... Ура!

[Sunshine]

да лёгкая задача:
выйти замуж за номер четыре - при этом составить брачный контракт в свою пользу, а так как он тупой, то ничего не поймёт. Он красавчик поэтому будет красиво смотрется на месте жениха, устроить свадьбу зашибись, нафоткать воток... А потом можно развестись и забрать все его деньги и жить в своё удовольствие... Ура!


Vse legko i prosto :) A ot sebya protivno ne budet ?:)

Est u menya odna znakomaya, zamujem bila, tak poluchilos razvelis, ne znayu prichinu. Sama simpotichnaya blondinka s Europi. K sojaleniyu ne mojet ustroit jizn sovyu. Ohotitsya za bogatenkim, da chtob esho simpotichniy bil, da i interesniy esho bil. I esho odna potrebnost, ne otkazalas bi ot Uzbeka :) govorit obojaet ih :) oni takie shedrie i milie.
Mnogo chego hochet, mojet poetomu ey uje 26 i vse esho v poiskah princa!
A mojet vse eyo derjut za krasivuyu kuklu, kotoroi mojno vospolzovatsay i potom kak staryo vikinut!

Dumayu, nujno samouvajenie k samoi sebe imet'. I vibirat nado sebe ravnogo, a ne prigat vishe golovi. Kak govoritsya " nije popi ne syadish, vishe golovi ne prignesh"

Sovershennih lyudey ne bivaet.

Lichno mne iz etogo spiska nikto ne podhodit, legche projit odnoi v gordom odinochestve :) ne dumayu, chto s odnim iz nih moya jizn slojilas bi udachno.
Roditeli pridlogayut kondidatur na rassmotreniya v kachestve jeniha, bivayut i umnie krasivie i bogatie v odnom lice, bivayut i bogatie ( roditeli) ne znayu kak s umom, bivayut prostie ( ne bednie, srednego klassa,) dostatochno obrazovannie, voobshem raznie. No sam fakt, chto mne pridlogayut ottalkivaet menya. Dumayu na mnogo interesnee samoi poznakomitsya i uznat kachestva cheloveka. Chem doveritsya intuicii roditeley ( hotya redko ona podbvodit).

S uvajeniem Sunny

[Webbie]

Qizlar-u hoy qizlar. Hotelosbi' usli'shat' vashe otkrovenniy, chestniy otvet.

"Vot vi' vihodite zamush i vashi' roditeli predlojili list of 4 people. All of them are different in character, in financial matters and emotional state.
U vas spiske 4 tipa mujchini':
1. Rich (neither smart nor handsome)
2. Smart (this guy is really smart but neither handsome nor rich;)
3. Handsome (very good looking guy but neither rich nor smart)
4. Rich and handsome (but not smart)

You have only one chance to meet with each of them and make your decision.
WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE? :?

mdaaa..nu i vibor, rich and handsome navernoe, deti krasivie budut i nujdatsya ne budut. Intellegence...they can inherit from their mom :D

sincerely, WEbbie

[Maroon]

Interesting...people what do you define in 'smart'? :) Being smart and intillegent are different things. A person can be smart but not intillegent. In courses you see people who are smart, they answer questions and so on but when you talk to them about random and daily stuff they appear to be the most 'unsmart' person. So there is a big difference there.

If there is some 'smartness' missing, get a lover and get all smart with him.

Vsegda est' vihod. Who is perfect?

Ciao. :lool:

[KeSha]

да лёгкая задача:
выйти замуж за номер четыре - при этом составить брачный контракт в свою пользу, а так как он тупой, то ничего не поймёт. Он красавчик поэтому будет красиво смотрется на месте жениха, устроить свадьбу зашибись, нафоткать воток... А потом можно развестись и забрать все его деньги и жить в своё удовольствие... Ура!

lol хе-хе все бабки на свой счет перевести и все, а мужу отвод после этого да :lol: какая ты легко мысленная ай ай яй яй, такого мужика найти проблематично СониТо4Ка :)

Удачи.

[Lolika]

да лёгкая задача:
выйти замуж за номер четыре - при этом составить брачный контракт в свою пользу, а так как он тупой, то ничего не поймёт. Он красавчик поэтому будет красиво смотрется на месте жениха, устроить свадьбу зашибись, нафоткать воток... А потом можно развестись и забрать все его деньги и жить в своё удовольствие... Ура!
Ti eto v syeryoz ili kak?

[SoniTa]

Ti eto v syeryoz ili kak?
да вообще-то нет... (просто в тот день было такое настроение на букву "Х", только не подумайте что хорошее...)
А так, на самом деле я получаю интеллектуальный оргазм от общения с умным человеком, так что тупой - это явно вариант не для меня (ну или придётся поискать в другом человеке), а насчёт того что некрасив - у меня странное понятие о красоте - обычно нравятся люди которые не подходят под обычное понимание красоты, с какими-то необычными чертами лица... Так что, №2 наверно... А деньги я и сама для себя заработаю (хотя зачем тогда выходить замуж? непонятно)

а так Шопгёл,
ты меня рассмешила, не выйти замуж в 26 - это для тебя трагедия и признак неудавшейся жизни? лол... по мне так женщина и в 100 может быть не замужем и счастлива... это не критерий... пожелай этой девушке удачи...

Кеша,
легкомысленная СониТа? нет, Азиз, это - фантастика... (: (с) сыр Хохланд

[WASP]

Ti eto v syeryoz ili kak?

Разумеется она это вполне серьёзно сказала, что не удивительно услышать от такой "материалистичной шв.ли." Она всегда такой низкой была, такой же и помрёт.

[Maroon]

а так Шопгёл,
ты меня рассмешила, не выйти замуж в 26 - это для тебя трагедия и признак неудавшейся жизни? лол... по мне так женщина и в 100 может быть не замужем и счастлива... это не критерий... пожелай этой девушке удачи...
(: (с) сыр Хохланд

Dorogaya, ti navernoe imela vidu Sunshine a ne Shopgirl. :lol:

Ciao.

[KeSha]

Кеша,
легкомысленная СониТа? нет, Азиз, это - фантастика... (: (с) сыр Хохланд

You very Dasis Fantastish girl :lol:
You actually fantastic girl :lol:
I respect you, as my buddy ;).
SoNiTa cheers :).

[Vostochnaya...]

для меня наиболее подходящим был бы вариант №2.
во-первых, насмотрелась я этого эгоцентризма богатых мальчиков, которые дальше своего носа и не видят ничего, считая, что деньги решают и покупают все на свете, выказывая этим самым свою ограниченность.
а что до красивых - то нет уж, увольте. чтобы он крутился сутками возле зеркала, орудуя всякими баночками с кремами, притираниями, парфюмами??? нет, не спорю, мужчина должен следить за собой, но не потерплю никакого соперничества возле зеркала! к тому же, такие смазливые ребята, несмотря на наличие жены не будут забывать строить глазки другим женщинам. а оно мне не надо.
а умный и образованный человек, всегда найдет способ прокормить семью, золотые горы мне ни к чему, от них сплошные проблемы. а что до внешности...я выйду замуж за человека, за личность, а не за красивое лицо. можно и в непримечательном человеке рассмотреть его внутренний мир и духовное богатство, что для меня важнее богатства материального.

[SoniTa]

Shopgirl,
ээээхеххех... уууууууупс (:

ВАСП,
неее, ты ошибся - я высокая... особенно когда на каблуки встану (: могу достать до звёзд руками...

[~GizaGora~]

Uvajayu umnih mujchin, nechego ne mogu s saboy podelat, tak kak menya eto ochen privlekaet v mujchinah.
Dlya menya otnosheniya stroyatsya na doverii i uvajeniyi, posle etih dvuh faktorov prihodit lubov. Doveriye prihodit so vremenem, a vot uvajeniye prihodit pri priznanii mujskogo uma.

Konechno eshe est mnogo parametrov kak vzaimoponimaniye, obshiye interesi, vzaimo uvajeniye (a ne tolko moye k nemu) i t.d., no iz perechislennih criteriy ya vibirayu UM.


P.S. A pro dengi.....budet UM budut i DENGI http://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

[Mubina]

Maybe poll would be easier.

Focus, add some more criteria,

I could not find appropriate one for myself.

Cheers,

MBN

[Focus]

I think I need to be envolved here. First of all this is not a problem to crack down but a psychological test. The question is not a perfect one but it demonstrates the vision of your world. First of all I tried to target my audience. Who is my audience? I believed that most of them girls who spent some time in abroad or are type of city girls... I just was curious about their opinions.

1. Rich:
2. Smart:
3. Handsome
4. Rich and handsome

I have many (girl) friends in Tashkent. And, all of them are interested in different qualities in a man. For some of them beauty is enough; for other smart kid is the best option (with or without significant financial state); while for other just money.

Some of you might wanted to choose rich but "rich" was not enough for you as only consideration. So, I added rich and handsome to turn on to your option. Therefore, first and third option automatically disqualify, etc.

If you go through all the replies, you might find out who is what.

In terms of myself, as per comments made above, I do not consider myself smart, neither handsome nor rich. I think I own piece of all of them.

P.S. this test was't targeted to hunt for girls as some people mentioned that it was.

Muniba: sorry that I did not modify the list (add).

[master_chuk]

mda focus v nachale vseh zaputal a v konce vseh poymal, molochik tut uj srazy posle tvoego testa vidno kto est kto..

ya skaju chto tut kakuyu part devchenki bi ne vibirali to v nastoyashey jizni vsegda poluchaetsya po drugomy vsegda chegoto ne hvataet ili kogda est vse to bivaet ludi ponimayut chto eto ne to chto im nujno, s tvoim testom ya soglasen na 100% .:super:

[fratboyxxx]

what i dont get is why everyone is trying sooo hard to sound smart, philosophical and well versed, this is pathetic.

ps. net devyshki kotoruyu nelza ulomat no est paren kotoriy ne mojet.

[Vostochnaya...]

what i dont get is why everyone is trying sooo hard to sound smart, philosophical and well versed, this is pathetic.

ps. net devyshki kotoruyu nelza ulomat no est paren kotoriy ne mojet.
да неужели? хочешь сказать, что любую можно купить, только у каждой своя цена? ну-ну...

[Royal]

poka oni ne stali sliwkom umnimi i ne soobrajali kak vzroslie jenwini! :?

mojesh li zdes obyasnit ? i dat boleye proyasneniya pojaluysta!

[Lolika]

Ya imeyu vvidu,to 4to obi4no v Uzbekistane rewayut roditeli kogda i za kogo vihodit' zamuj devuwkam, i starayutsya otdat' devuwku poran'we gde to 17-20 let i eto proishodit' tak kak 4em starwe devuwka stanovitsya tem bol'we ona soobrajaet v plane, kakogo ona ho4et muja,obespe4ennogo,krasivogo,4tob otdel'no jil,koro4e,4tob bol'we u nego plyusov bilo!4em starwe ona 4em bol'we u neyo vibora i obi4no devuwki,kotorie po dolgu vibirayut i jdut ideala ili sliwkom pozdno vihodyat zamuj ili sovsem ostayutsya starimi devami! A esli ona moloje,to ona dumaet tol'ko o vnewnosti, a o buduwem ona obi4no ne zadumivaetsya! Chem vzroslee devushka, tem ona bolee seryoznee smotrit na zmujestvo i obdumivaet po mnogu raz pered tem kak rewitsya na zamujestvo,a chem ona moloje tem bolee me4tatel'na ona bivaet!!!:kissie:
Ti pochti prava no nekotoriye roditeli predpochitayut predostavit prava samoy devushke. Potomuchto sama posmotri skolko devushki razvilis. Vihodit zamuj ne znaya cheloveka ne znaya yego harakter eto glupo, ya tak schitayu nado hotyabi povstrechatsya i po luchshe uznat drug druga no i roditeli ne jelayut tebe plohogo nu a yesli oni ponravitysa drug drugu ili polubit drug druga to mojet budut schastlivi v budushem a yesli net? togo chya vina? Roditeley ili ...?