"Svobodi slova v Uzbekistane prakticheski net" - Interview

[RuslanSharipov]

"Svobodi slova v Uzbekistane prakticheski net" - Interview "Golosu Ameriki"

27 oktyabrya 2004 goda,

http://www1.voanews.com/Russian/article.cfm?objectID=43326AA2-2623-4AE0-AF713028ABD4F882&title=%AB%D1%E2%EE%E1%EE%E4%FB%20%F1%EB%EE%E2%E0%2 0%E2%20%D3%E7%E1%E5%EA%E8%F1%F2%E0%ED%E5%20%EF%F0% E0%EA%F2%E8%F7%E5%F1%EA%E8%20%ED%E5%F2%BB

RS

[PainKiller]

"Svobodi slova v Uzbekistane prakticheski net" - Interview "Golosu Ameriki"

27 oktyabrya 2004 goda,

http://www1.voanews.com/Russian/article.cfm?objectID=43326AA2-2623-4AE0-AF713028ABD4F882&title=%AB%D1%E2%EE%E1%EE%E4%FB%20%F1%EB%EE%E2%E0%2 0%E2%20%D3%E7%E1%E5%EA%E8%F1%F2%E0%ED%E5%20%EF%F0% E0%EA%F2%E8%F7%E5%F1%EA%E8%20%ED%E5%F2%BB

RSRuslan, ya tvoyu pozicuyu ponimayu chuvak. No mne podnadaelo chto tut po vsemu forumu razbrosani linnki o tebe. Nichego personal. No zachem otkrivat' mnogo razlichnih threadov, s odnobokimi smislami? Vezde odin i tot zhe sluchay.
Ne lutshe-li obyedenit' ih pod odnu statyu? Ili nuzhno mnogo topikov o tebe?
I pochemu krome linkov o sebe samom ti ne napostish drugie istochniki. Gde govoryat ne tol'ko Human right watchers v tvoyom zhe lice.
:rolleyes:

[PainKiller]

Hi there Inkognito!

Well if you look at forum.uz i published only 2 threads on "Uzbekistan-problemi i resheniya" baord and only 2 threads on the second board. So i don't think it's to much one of the post was music with pictures so it's not counted. Thus it's only 3.

Is it much?

I think its so much discussions around me which make you and others think how much of me on the board :) I don't ask anyone to discuss my personality and please let me take my own decision of what i post and write.

Look at others they post so much and nobody cares so why i can't. And all i did so far are only three threads...

RSRIGHT, IT IS UR RIGHT. MY BAD
i JUST GOT TIRED OF CLICKING ON THE LINKS AND MEETING UR FACE...
AND THE SAME STUFF ALL OVER AGAIN.
DUDE, SORRY, I AM NOBODY TO TELL U WHAT TO DO OR WHAT NOT TO. SORRY ONE MORE TIME. I JUST SAID I DO NOT LIKE THAT....IMHO

[PainKiller]

Well face you see is not mine but face of Enrique Eglesias. So many people ask questions and i answer just part of them, it's not that i wanna answer them it's just make things clear, by the way all treads i open also see you "body" the picture you have chosen, it's in many places man. I also could say i am tired to see you or someone everywhere . As i told you i made only THREE THREADS and all other things "faces" you see are my answers on questions or comments of users so there is no misunderstanding or disinformation about me. Just look what a level of disinformation and gossips is spreaded about me here and you wanna me keep silent? You wanna limit me in my comments, replies or threads just because you are tired to see "my face".

I am sorry that you don't like that but please UNDERSTAND i also don'tlike what you say about me. And this will be endless you give a topic to those wo love to spread those stupid stuff about me and they pick it and progress to a bigger level, than others like you do the same stuff, look what Ellegance "R.Azimov" does, i just again got two private e-mail from him in one of which he says if don't answer his posts in forum he will tell everybody that i am loser and liar.....

Jesus sometimes i don't understand people here...

Anyways,

RS did not get me, man. Ur avatar is ur business, one time I even had a naked butt. So this is the last thing I care about. I mean u give a link, I click on it, and see ur passport (??) sized picture and recognize the article immediately. I can even tell the context in brief. U r homosesual journalist who wrote articles which showed Karimov from bad side (real one), and got into trouble. U r accused with besakalbazlik, and u have been tortured in the jail. U r basic human rights were not followed and not even respected. U were frightened to be raped via bottle, and now u r free.
this is the meaning of ALL those articles. I just said, can u give us something new? fresh? that can be really worthy of reading.
PS. definetely I know that this dude is Enrique Iglesias. Do u think I am so ignorant? Astopirillo.
I jusat said, any othe sources where main character is not u, but anybody else? those who also did the same action u did being in uzbekistan?
I just meant, those all articles are about u. I wonder, why they put the same picture of urs? Didn't u have another one? :D

[var]

интересно а есть какой нибуть реальный результат после этих статей?

[PainKiller]

интересно а есть какой нибуть реальный результат после этих статей? On teper' mozhet svobodno na Polit Ubezhiwe podavat'. takih tut lyubyat.

[var]

On teper' mozhet svobodno na Polit Ubezhiwe podavat'. takih tut lyubyat.интересно а цель этих статей была именно в этом?;)

[PainKiller]

интересно а цель этих статей была именно в этом?;) Nadeyus' v etom. Esli ne v etom a cel' izmenit' sistemu pravleniya, to on idiot. Nadeyus' on ne idiot vse-taki...:D

[var]

Nadeyus' v etom. Esli ne v etom a cel' izmenit' sistemu pravleniya, to on idiot. Nadeyus' on ne idiot vse-taki...:Dесли цель была в этом, в том чтобы в штаты свалить, то тут мазахизмомом попахивает, стоило из-за этого в зоне сидеть и болеть всеми видами гипотита (почти всеми) :rolleyes: :D

[Alouddin]

just IMHO - on the pic he looks like a fag... I stress - this is just IMHO...

[Lanabegim]

To: ИнкоГниТо!

Why dont' you leave him alone you big/dirty mouth poinak!
Aren't you sick and tired picking on him? Ruslan Sharipov is the human being first of all, so treat him as a human being and show some respect to others you so-called incognito!:lol: Uzbeksande ming kilsa ham, sendakalarga 6 ta finger ham kam, k** kovlar urodka!:lol: usha butilkadan senga ham tikish kerak, kein sal skromniyrok bulasan jalab!:lol:

SNB Uzb.


Ну не знаю. Нужно бть полнейшим идиотом для того что-бы поверить что ты можешь конкретно сам изменить ситуацию в стране в целом. Ну а насчёт болезней и прочей заразы-По постам и по той логике которой гражданин руководствуется, можно подумать что он в более чем здрaвом духе. Я не знаю привелали Милиция в действие угрозы про изнасилование с бутылкой, и если да, до плакала его жепппааа. :oops:

[RuslanSharipov]

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[RuslanSharipov]

This article from Washington Post posted on HRW site as well may help to answersome of your questions.

"Homophobia's Reach"
By Tony Kushner

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/03/08/uzbeki8087.htm

And the second part of this one (interview) can be helpful as well:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=11739

RS

[noodles]

pedik hrenov...

[SHAK-from-ECC]

pedik hrenov...
!Genius vot maladsa!
Mlin uje na nervi deystvuyesh Ruslan da pedik ti mi znayem, da ti takoy jenius nu i chto? vsyo uje tochku postav. Nasrat ya b hotel na tvoyi posti ne xrena interesni!

[var]

давйте предположим что свобода слова в Узбекистане есть? Ну и что? Что изменится? Власти без разницы что критикуй ее что нет, от этого ни чего не изменится....примеров масса.;)

[Vostochnaya...]

khm, ne viju smisla v dannom threade. konechno sil'no na self-advertisement smahivaet. no v etom sluchae nado bilo thread po drugomu obozvat'.
no esli deistvitel'no xotite podnyat' vopros o svobode slova (kstati, tknite pal'cem, gde ona v nashix stranax Aziatskix voobshe nablyudaetsya? vse novoispechennie respubliki skoree mogut poxvastat' otsutstviem svobodi slova, nejeli ee nalichiem), to zachem utykivat' thread zametkami o persone RS, ego lichnix gorestyax???
ne ponimayu.

[Vostochnaya...]

давйте предположим что свобода слова в Узбекистане есть? Ну и что? Что изменится? Власти без разницы что критикуй ее что нет, от этого ни чего не изменится....примеров масса.;)
даже если такое и было бы, то, к сожалению, голос свободы слова частенько заглушался бы звоном монет. каждый преследует личные интересы, им до этого голоса свободы фиолетово. сила-то у них.

[Desperado]

Ruslan do not be stupid. Post less. Be meaningful. Debate instead of posting links.

[Sunshine]

pedik hrenov...


Ne znayu takoi on ili ne takoi, no navernoe tochno mazahist!
Nado bit na stolko gluppim, chtob borotsya za ne vozmojnoe.
Ponyatno, chto s chego-to nujno nachinat, no odin v pole ne voin, esli idet ugroza jizni, ne luchshe li zatknustsya vo blago svoego zdorovya.

Ne ponimayu, mojet na samom dele he is FAG!


Sunny :shock:

[R.Azimov]

Hello Mister Ruslan Sharipov.

As I told you before, some of your posts, especially "Link CopyPastes" are "Not Welcomed" here. I think you understood it and the thread, which I opened also the fact and can prove it.


Thread and Poll results (Прошу прощения Г.Руслан Шарипов?):

Total: ~150 visited. (80 of them twice, three times or more, we can say them "trespassers" and delete from the list and decrease the total amount to 60. Staistics shows that:

60 = 100%


~50% - do not care about what you are doing.
~24.5% - thought, you are embarrassing yourself.
~9% - did not understand the thread or against idea.
~9.4% - wanted to say smt, but did not say.
~5.5%- did not like the multiple choice (poll)
1.6666%- did not like the thread and "terminated" it.


Additionally, for me personally it is not interesting your character, attitude, behavior, personality... I wanted to know other users ideas about your "CopyPasts" (!) and fortunately "the same" idea.

So,

Mister Ruslan Sharipov, as Desperado said,
Please, "Debate instead of posting links. Show us your talent as a Journalist"

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, thanks very much for your attention. Really appreciated.



Elegance.

[PainKiller]

Hello Mister Ruslan Sharipov.



60 = 100%


~50% - do not care about what you are doing.
~24.5% - thought, you are embarrassing yourself.
~9% - did not understand the thread or against idea.
~9.4% - wanted to say smt, but did not say.
~5.5%- did not like the multiple choice (poll)
1.6666%- did not like the thread and "terminated" it.


Additionally, for me personally it is not interesting your character, attitude, behavior, personality... I wanted to know other users ideas about your "CopyPasts" (!) and fortunately "the same" idea.

So,

Mister Ruslan Sharipov, as Desperado said,
Please, "Debate instead of posting links. Show us your talent as a Journalist"

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, thanks very much for your attention. Really appreciated.



Elegance.Grajdanin ELEGANCE, Vash poll rezult is a total BS. WHY? because all of the answers were against him. I have marked "I do not care", because it was the softest one towards him. Make another poll, more Objective one. Where u gonna put asnwers for his favor also. And then U'll get the real result. And whatever the result will be:IT IS HIS RIGHT TO SIT IN THIS FORUM AND TALK WHAT HE WANTS.. EVEN IF HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL, MANIAK, MURDER in real life, but in forum a User who obeys the forum rules, nobod yhas rights to say anything against him. His preferences-His own Business.

[Administrator]

Vsetaki ruslan i yavlyayetsa gomoseksualistom?
ya tak ne hotel verit v eto ... :(
on je paren smeliy
no p*-***d*stya vesh ne horoshaya

[var]

а что пи****р не имеет морального права кретиковать режим???

[Martingale]

Ruslan, I think I was as sincere with you as possible. I said that I study at UGA and told you that I was asked about u here and I said to them that u were fighter against Human rights, so that's why u were jailed. But soon when u confessed it I was disappointed. Because even u have done greatest thing, u are not respected in Uzbekistan at all. But here I want to ask u sth, for what did you receive "Zolotoye Pero"? What was your contribution? Because first I thought you were jailed because of your some articles? But soon found out that u were charged with adult abusement. I know some intellectuals, whose articles were published on IPSAT's annual issue, which is very famous among International organizations. And they worth that award. But what exactly WAN considered when giving you this award? Which of your works? I hope you will be as sincere as I am.

[PainKiller]

[QUOTE=Кумушбиби]Инкогнито и её "pro-gay" взгляды, толерантная девушка, понимаете ли.Ну давай, договаривай до конца, может ещё скажешь, что "its OK to be gay". Ya ne otnoshus' horosho ili ploho k geyam i lezbi-ya k nim voobshe ne otnoshus', Usekla? I esli ya postavila tochku, znachit eto vsyo chto ya hotela viskazat' po dannomu punktu. Ya nikogda ne bila storonnicey Gays or lesbi, ili Bi-sexuals. Vse chto ya hochu ponyat', eto pochemu kogo-to doljno volnovat' Kogo imeet etot konkretno ili inoy chelovek? Ya ponyala-bi tvoi ili ch'yi-bi to nibili Emocii, esli-bi Ruslan zastavlyal kogo-to protiv ego voli vstupat' v intimnie otnosheniya. Esli obe storoni soglasni, Kakoe ti imeesh' prava govorit' chto im mojno i chto nel'zya? Kakoe voobshe pravo imeet obshestvennost' suvat' svoi yaziki k nemu v shtani, skaji-ka mne?


Только не надо мне сейчас песни петь про права человека, про дискриминацию, типа: "это его личное дело". У нас и без него моральная деградация возрастает по геометрической прогрессии. В катализаторах не нуждаемся.
Mojet ti i prava, Mojet u vas degradaciya i vozrastaet. Mi vam sochuvstvuem.

Если это его личное дело, зачем надо было оглашать эту информацию и ставить публику в известность. Did someone force him to come out of the closet? I think not.Chela menti pitali za to chto on skazal pravdu, za to chto v otlichie ot drugih (ili po naivnosti, ili po duri, ili po drugim prichinam ) Ne stal molchat' i viskazal svoyo mnenie. Da i voobshe, kem bi on ne bil-Prostitutkoy, prezidentom, Geyem, Sobakoy, Koshkoy-Do teh por poka ne narushaet Pravil foruma i ne naezjaet, ne razjigaet konflikti mejdu uchastnikami Foruma-Ya absolyutno ok. Dlya menya chto ti, chto Ruslan odno i tozhe. Virtual'nie uchastniki Foruma. Chego plohogo v tom chto on napostil svoy thread? Menya v nem vzbesila ne to chto on Gey ili Jurnalist (Da hot' Rabbi), Mne ne ponravilos' chto on vo vseh tryoh topikah Govoril o svoyey persone cherez linki, no ot pervogo lica tak i nichego ne napisal. I plyus ego Idiotskiy Link gde igrala eta muzika (Po idee ne moyo delo, chto hochet to i postuet chelovek. Raz ne reklama, ne pornografiya, ne provokacionnaya tema, pravila foruma razreshayut. Ili ya ne prava?) .
Ti bi obratila vnimanie Na etih UChastnikov kotorie ego obmaterili, obrugali-ni odin Moder ne otreagiroval. Navernoe esli gey, to materit' mozhno. Ne hotelos'-bi verit' chto oni sami hihikali za svoimi monitorami chitaya eti izdevatel'stva NAD UCHASTNIKOM FORUMA. i ne imeet raznici kakaya u nego orientaciya. Odni uchastniki foruma naezjali na drugogo, i moderi na eto smotreli skvoz' pal'ci. Vot chto vajnej.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Laziz- I know Ruslan since 1999. Since then I have known him being active in the propagation of democratic values in Uzbekistan, on the net and also in practical action in the streets of Tashkent.

And to the Rest-

I am not here to defend him or praise him, or anything like that. He has been ridiculed, mocked at, insulted and teased constantly in this forum, and never has it stopped as far as I know.

One reason for that would be, I could say - him not being Uzbek but rather an Osetin. Uzbeks do not usually discriminate against their Uzbeks and the Russians, but small nationalities, some just do not respect them, even do not consider them worthy of attention.

Another reason I would say - him speaking up for the gay rights. Which is also a tough thing to be accepted not only in a country like Uzbekistan (which has been under strict Stalinist Style Communist regime until now even after the so called "independence" (I donno from what and who)) but also countries like the US and other Western countries. Until now they are having hard time legalizing gay marriage, it is worth of attention.

Besides that deep in my heart, I do not believe Ruslan is a gay, even if he were it does not make him in any ways less important as a person who stood up for the rights of Uzbekistanis while majority of the Journalists where s****ing their pants.

Ruslan, most likely, pretended to be a gay person so that he could shed some light on the condition of gay rights back in Uzbekistan or just to get the attention of International community on that matter or even to show how intolerant Uzbeki government is not only to Islamists but also to any one who is different than what and who they are.

I do not agree with accepting gays as a part of Muslim dominated Central Asian cultural and daily life or progay morale becoming a norm in our part of the world any time soon.

However, saying that all I would like to point out that "none of you here is in a position" to point a finger to Ruslan and ridicule him. None of here has been through what he has been through, and I do believe by reading your posts here, none of you here are ready to stand up for your morales exactly the same way Ruslan Sharipov had done.

He was ignored, he was ridiculed two years ago when Ruslan started to post here that SNB guys were after him and threatening his life. Everybody laughed at him saying, "Does not SNB have anything better to do then to run after you, Pedik?"

Guess what, Ruslan turned out to be Right!! They were after him. And it was not because he was a gay rights defender. But because he was a freedom fighter.

Why would "anti-terrorism" department of SNB interrogate Ruslan if he was gay and accused of molesting two kids??!! It was not about him being gay, rather it was him being "straight" to the point in his argument against the corrupt and spoiled regime of Karimov.

Other than that Ruslan,

Highest Respect.

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Ruslan, I said that because I strongly believe in what our nation value and not. If you followed I told it in my previous posts that you could succeed in the West with your activities, but in Uzbekistan you just can't. Because you don't match our principles, even laws. As I said first I thought you were HR journalist. But now I know you as a crimer, who was charged for child abusement by Ugolovniy Kodeks i sootvetstvuyushimi zakonami. Isn't that true? That's why I don't understand why WAN gave you this award? If u gonna put links, it's useless. Just answer following questions:

1. Is that true that you were charged for child abusement?
2. For what exactly did u receive this award? again I don't need your links. just answer them straight?


Laziz- Ruslan was accused of molesting two kids. And under that pretext he was arrested.

However, Ruslan is not a person who would do things like that. In addition to that the whole court process was flawed. He was tortured to confess on false accusations.

He was awarded "PEN" awards for being BRAVE and standing up like a MAN.

Regards,

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Laziz- if you do not mind can u change your avatar "L" I ve been using that since, umm, 2001 :)...

Just do not want people to get into thinking that we are the same guys.

Cheers,

[Martingale]

Laziz- if you do not mind can u change your avatar "L" I ve been using that since, umm, 2001 :)...

Just do not want people to get into thinking that we are the same guys.

Cheers,
Mr Akhee-Abdullah, my opinion about Ruslan did not change, and believe won't change. Of course this is my opinion. But I don't need any comment on this. I am over with this thread.


P.S. Why don't you take "A" I thought it was "First come, first serve"

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Mr Akhee-Abdullah, my opinion about Ruslan did not change, and believe won't change. Of course this is my opinion. But I don't need any comment on this. I am over with this thread.


P.S. Why don't you take "A" I thought it was "First come, first serve"

Laziz -Your opinion makes no difference in this world, for sure it won't make any difference in the akheera (the next world). Leave the guy alone, will ya? Also if it is an unchanging opinion then it is "bias" and "prejudice" they hardly ever change.

As far as Avatar - I used to think only one person can choose the same avatar, MegaZ or any Admin correct me if I am wrong. My old nick was "Lucky", that's how I "inherited" this "L" avatar.

Cheers,

[PainKiller]

Laziz -Your opinion makes no difference in this world, for sure it won't make any difference in the akheera (the next world). Leave the guy alone, will ya? Also if it is an unchanging opinion then it is "bias" and "prejudice" they hardly ever change.

As far as Avatar - I used to think only one person can choose the same avatar, MegaZ or any Admin correct me if I am wrong. My old nick was "Lucky", that's how I "inherited" this "L" avatar.

Cheers,Ya 100% soglasna. Esli vy dumaete chto vi vishe ego, i lutshe, to pochemu vi ego kusaete kak beshennie psi? Pokazhite svoyo blagorodstvo(esli takovoe imeetsya), i prostite (hehe, kto vi takie? Tol'ko Allah imeet pravo sudit' Kogo libo) emu to chto on ne dvulichniy, I govorit to chto est' na samom dele. Ne kazhdiy mozhet tut priznat' chto on Gey esli takovoim Yalyaetsya. Za odno eto mozhno ego Uvazhat'. Ostavte cheloveka v Pokoe. Esli travlya Protiv Ruslana Budet Prodojatsya, Ya budu Vinujdena Pisat' Jalobu Adminu. :evil:

[noodles]

ya lichno klal priborom na to chto kto-to protiv togo chto emu govoryat chto on gey. gey - eto pozor dlya lyubogo mujskogo pola(!) i eto unijenie(!) - ya takogo kak on za cheloveka ne schitayu!

[shady_lady]

ya lichno klal priborom na to chto kto-to protiv togo chto emu govoryat chto on gey. gey - eto pozor dlya lyubogo mujskogo pola(!) i eto unijenie(!) - ya takogo kak on za cheloveka ne schitayu!
xm ty prav
eto ne normal'no ne zrya je ix men'shinstvo
xotya kajdiy sxodit s uma po svoemu
prosto nenujno ego zamechat' i davat' emu pishu dlya novix postov
koroche v IGNOR ego v IGNOR:D

[WASP]

Laziz- Ruslan was accused of molesting two kids. And under that pretext he was arrested.

However, Ruslan is not a person who would do things like that. In addition to that the whole court process was flawed. He was tortured to confess on false accusations.



I guess I was right ,eh? And I love saying this.. as always :laugh: