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Martingale
05-08-2005, 02:46 PM
Assalomu alaykum,

Dear friends, 2 days ago my friend left US to Brazil. He is my best dude. Besides hangin out together, sometimes we used to talk about many things and even religion(he is a lil bit religious guy). So before leavin he left me a book. It's bible. As he was my one of the closest friends I could not say no I can't take it. But now I wonder if I did wrong or not? Thank you for your replies!

p.s. if there are people who are interested, I can send the book via mail. Thanks!

Pythagor
05-08-2005, 03:09 PM
Assalomu alaykum,

Dear friends, 2 days ago my friend left US to Brazil. He is my best dude. Besides hangin out together, sometimes we used to talk about many things and even religion(he is a lil bit religious guy). So before leavin he left me a book. It's bible. As he was my one of the closest friends I could not say no I can't take it. But now I wonder if I did wrong or not? Thank you for your replies!

p.s. if there are people who are interested, I can send the book via mail. Thanks!

Adashmasam, islom dini boshqa(asosiy) dinlardagi muqaddas kitoblarni tan oladi.
Qolaversa, bu ham bir(diniy, muqaddas) kitob, islomda hech qanday kitob o'qish taqiqlanmagan.
Aniqroq qilib savolizga javob beradigan bo'sam, mani nazarimda siz xato qimagansiz...:rolleyes: .

P.S. people, adashib gapirib qo'ygan bo'sam, bit qoshu qonimdan kechib qo'yarsilar...

-Resident-
05-08-2005, 05:57 PM
Ilohiy kitoblarni iloji boricha hammasini o`qib chiqish foydadan holi bo`lmasa kerak bu yanada Quroni Karim ni mukammal ekanligini isbotlaydi!

John Abraham
05-08-2005, 06:57 PM
What could you have done WRONG? Touching the bible? This is stupid; if you are of one religion, so by touching the holy book of other you can do SOMETHING WRONG? Of course no. After reading your post i have a feeling that you have some enemosity towards the other religion. The one who says yes, that you did something wrong is narrow minded and "dumb".

Martingale
05-09-2005, 03:36 PM
What could you have done WRONG? Touching the bible? This is stupid; if you are of one religion, so by touching the holy book of other you can do SOMETHING WRONG? Of course no. After reading your post i have a feeling that you have some enemosity towards the other religion. The one who says yes, that you did something wrong is narrow minded and "dumb".

John,
I didn't say it's wrong, if I did, I wouldn't take it. But truly speakin I wasn't sure and I guess, it isn't sin to ask or is it?:rolleyes:
Thank you gus for your responses!!!;)

Promokashka
05-09-2005, 03:55 PM
Assalomu alaykum,

Dear friends, 2 days ago my friend left US to Brazil. He is my best dude. Besides hangin out together, sometimes we used to talk about many things and even religion(he is a lil bit religious guy). So before leavin he left me a book. It's bible. As he was my one of the closest friends I could not say no I can't take it. But now I wonder if I did wrong or not? Thank you for your replies!

p.s. if there are people who are interested, I can send the book via mail. Thanks!

Siz hato qilganmisiz qilmaganmisiz uni Hudoga javobini berasiz vaqti kelganda.
Ammo mani shahsiy fikrim siz uni qo`lini qaytarmiy, u bolada sizga bo`lgan muhabbatini kuchaytirgansiz. Siz shu harakatiz bilan unga ta`sir o`tkaza olishingiz eng muhimi. Siz ana o`shanda uni o`z diningizga yanada isita olasiz. Nima demoqchi ekanligimni chungandirsiz.

Ammo Bible`ni o`qishga kelsak, Quroni Karimni yahshi bilmay turib uni o`qish to`g`ri bo`lmasa kerak.

Respect

Prince
05-09-2005, 04:25 PM
Assalomu Alaykum ,
Birinchidan: sovga bergan ekan uni qaytarmasdan olganiz bu yaxshi , lekin
masalani ikkinchi tamoni bu kitob: Bible ekanligida ,
Islom diniga murojat qiladigan bulsak , islom xech qaysi kitobni rad etmaydi , lekin Bible ancha joylari ozgarib ketganligni hisobga olgan holda , uni iloji boricha Islom dini etiqod va ilmizni mustahkamlagandan keyin uqish tafsiya etiladi. (C) Bir domla shunaqa deganini eshitganman ,
Peace ,

Martingale
05-09-2005, 04:40 PM
Promokashka, Prince,
rahmat javoblariz uchun.;)
Man u kitobni faqatgina sovga tariqasida olganimni eslatib utmoqchiman, lekin uqishimga kesak bunisini bilmiman. Prince aytganday avvalo Qur'on va hadislarni mukammal urgangandan keyin boshqa muqaddas kitoblarni uqishga utamiz nasib qisa.;)


Ammo mani shahsiy fikrim siz uni qo`lini qaytarmiy, u bolada sizga bo`lgan muhabbatini kuchaytirgansiz. Siz shu harakatiz bilan unga ta`sir o`tkaza olishingiz eng muhimi. Siz ana o`shanda uni o`z diningizga yanada isita olasiz. Nima demoqchi ekanligimni chungandirsiz.


shutiga tushunmadim taqsir,:D dustligini demoqchimidiz?

Prince
05-09-2005, 04:43 PM
Lazizhon :)
Allah insof bergani rost bo`lsin ( xazil ) :)
P.S Lazizhon yurtga qachon qaytamiz endi? Safaram qarib qoldi manimcha a? :)
Borsez bir telpon qilin , utirib otamlashamiz :)

Royal
05-09-2005, 06:59 PM
So before leavin he left me a book.

here question : He give it to You ta have it or just give you for safe keeping ??
for safe keeping You may have it untill he's returns
otherwise You may give it to someone who reads that book.

that my understanding anyway.

Promokashka
05-09-2005, 11:06 PM
Promokashka, Prince,
rahmat javoblariz uchun.;)
Man u kitobni faqatgina sovga tariqasida olganimni eslatib utmoqchiman, lekin uqishimga kesak bunisini bilmiman. Prince aytganday avvalo Qur'on va hadislarni mukammal urgangandan keyin boshqa muqaddas kitoblarni uqishga utamiz nasib qisa.;)



shutiga tushunmadim taqsir,:D dustligini demoqchimidiz?

Endi odamla o`zini buzuqlik darajasiga qarab tushinib olvuradi..........

Akhee-Abdullah
05-09-2005, 11:20 PM
al-Hamdu-Lillaahi Rabbil-'Aalameen was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'alaa
Ashrafil-Anbiyaa’e wal-Mursaleen, wa ba'd:

as-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahi

I hope this response from the noble allama Sheikh Uthaymeen (rahimahullah) will be sufficient insha'Allah.

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible to obtain any of the previous scriptures which came before the Qur’aan, such as the Injeel (Gospel or New Testament), Tawraat (Torah or Old Testament) and others, for two reasons.

The first reason is that anything in them that is beneficial has been explained by Allaah in the Qur’aan.

The second reason is that the Qur’aan frees us from any need for these books. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur’aan) to you (Muhammad) with truth, confirming what came before it [Aal ‘Imraan 3:3]

“And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur’aan) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Mohaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge among them by what Allaah has revealed [al-Maa’idah 5:48]

So whatever good may be in the previous books is to be found in the Qur’aan :!:

With regard to the questioner’s statement that he wants to find out what Allaah said to His slave and Messenger ‘Eesa, this information is to be found in what Allaah has told us in the Qur’aan. So there is no need to look elsewhere. Moreover, the Injeel (Gospel) that is extant today is distorted. The evidence for that is the fact that there are four Gospels which contradict one another; there is no one Gospel which can be relied upon.

But the seeker of knowledge who has sufficient knowledge to be able to tell truth from falsehood, may be allowed to read (the previous scriptures) in order to refute the falsehood found therein or to leave the followers of the scriptures with no excuse for not knowing that they are false.

al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) - Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Fadeelat vol. 1, p. 32-33


What does it mean to believe in the Books?

Belief in the Books implies four things:

1 – Firm belief that all of them were revealed from Allaah, and that Allaah spoke them in a real sense. Some of them were heard from Him from behind a veil, without there being any intermediary from among the angels. Some were conveyed by an angelic Messenger to a human Messenger. Some were written by Allaah’s own Hand, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not given to any human being that Allaah should speak to him unless (it be) by Revelation, or from behind a veil, or (that) He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His Leave. Verily, He is Most High, Most Wise” [al-Shoora 42:51]

“and to Moosa (Moses) Allaah spoke directly”

[al-Nisa’ 4:164]

And Allaah said concerning the Tawraat (Torah):

“And We wrote for him on the Tablets the lesson to be drawn from all things and the explanation for all things”

[al-A’raaf 7:145]

2 – The Books that Allaah has mentioned by name, we must believe in by name. These are the Books which Allaah has named in the Qur’aan, i.e., the Qur’aan, the Tawraat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Zaboor (Psalms), and the Scriptures of Ibraaheem and Moosa.

Those which Allaah has mentioned in general terms, we must believe in them in general terms, so we say concerning them what Allaah and His Messenger have commanded us to say:

“…say: “I believe in whatsoever Allaah has sent down of the Book [all the holy Books…]”

[al-Shoora 42:15 – interpretation of the meaning]

3 – Believing whatever is true of what they say, such as what is said in the Qur’aan, and whatever has not been altered or distorted in the previous Books.

4 – Believing that Allaah revealed the Qur’aan as a witness over these Books and to confirm them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur’aan) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures)” [al-Maa'idah 5:48]

The mufassireen said that Muhaymin means trustworthy and a witness over the Books that came before it, and confirming them, i.e., confirming whatever is true in them and rejecting whatever alterations, distortions and changes have occurred in them, and ruling that the previous rulings have been abrogated – i.e., they are no longer applicable – and that new rulings and laws have been promulgated. Hence all those who were following previous books and who have not turned on their heels should submit to it, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And when it is recited to them, they say: We believe in it. Verily, it is the truth from our Lord. Indeed even before it we have been from those who submit themselves to Allaah in Islam as Muslims”

[al-Qasas 28:52-53]

It is obligatory for all the ummah to follow the Qur’aan both outwardly and inwardly, and to adhere to it, and give it its due, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And this is a blessed Book (the Qur’aan) which We have sent down, so follow it and fear Allaah” [al-An’aam 6:155]

What is meant by adhering to the Qur’aan and giving it its due is: regarding what it permits as permitted, regarding what it forbids as forbidden, obeying its commands, avoiding that which it prohibits, paying heed to its lessons, learning from its stories, understanding its clear and unambiguous texts, referring the exact meaning of its ambiguous texts to Allaah, not overstepping its limits and defending it, whilst memorizing it, reciting it in a proper manner, pondering the meanings of its verses, reciting it in prayer night and day, being sincere towards it in all senses, and calling others to do likewise with understanding.

This belief will bear great fruit for a person, the most important of which is:

1- Knowledge of Allaah’s care for His slaves, for He has revealed to each people a Book by which they may be guided.

2- Knowledge of the wisdom of Allaah in the laws which He has set out for each people, laws which are suited to their circumstances as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way” [al-Maa’idah 5:48].

3- Fulfilling the duty of giving thanks to Allaah for this great blessing.

4- The importance of paying attention to the Qur’aan, by reading it, pondering its meanings, understanding its meanings and acting accordingly.

And Allaah knows best.

See A’laam al-Sunnah al-Manshoorah, 90-93; Sharh al-Usool al-Thalaathah by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 91-92.


Apparent proofs from the Ahadeeth collected by Imam Bukhari in his Saheeh.:!:


No. 2512 - Narrated Ubaidullah bin Abdullah bin Utba:

Ibn Abbas said, "O Muslims? How do you ask the people of the scriptures, though your Book (i.e. the Quran) which was revealed to His Prophet is the most recent information from Allah and you recite it, the Book that has not been distorted? Allah has revealed to you that the people of the scriptures have changed with their own hands what was revealed to them and they have said (as regards their changed scriptures): This is from Allah, in order to get some worldly benefit thereby." Ibn Abbas added: "Isn't the knowledge revealed to you sufficient to prevent you from asking them? By Allah I have never seen any one of them asking (Muslims) about what has been revealed to you."

No. 3680 - Narrated Ibn Abbas:

They, the people of the scriptures, divided this scripture into parts, believing in some portions of it and disbelieving the others. (See 15:91)


No. 4160 - Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people of the scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah's Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us." (2.136)

Hamid
05-10-2005, 04:27 AM
I would give him Qur'an as a gift as well, in english, and tell him about the adab of reading it.
I think you can send him one to brazil from us, with a nice covering letter.
hh

elDoraDo
05-10-2005, 04:31 AM
I would give him Qur'an as a gift as well, in english, and tell him about the adab of reading it.
I think you can send him one to brazil from us, with a nice covering letter.
hh


this is the best idea i've read.
would follow it, if needed

Nicole
05-20-2005, 08:50 AM
So...dear laziz, i advice to read it, coz if u trust ur religion, and sure to keep it srtongly u'll never be afraid from the chages or influences...besides they say it's allowed to read any kinda book..for knowledge it's useful..
...for me religion is not to learn by heart versions and repeat it as a parrot....