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I have a question for you guys. Islam teaches that those who believe in God go to heaven, if their good deeds excel their bad deeds and souls of those who don't believe in Him and his Oneness will be destined to the hell. My question would be about the destiny of people in the past who didn't hear anything about Islam or its teachings? I also know that Islam asserts that there would be noone who wouldn't hear about Islam. If we take this assertion as an established one, what about those who used to live in North America before 1492?
Alouddin
05-10-2005, 08:21 PM
I have a question for you guys. Islam teaches that those who believe in God go to heaven, if their good deeds excel their bad deeds and souls of those who don't believe in Him and his Oneness will be destined to the hell. My question would be about the destiny of people in the past who didn't hear anything about Islam or its teachings? I also know that Islam asserts that there would be noone who wouldn't hear about Islam. If we take this assertion as an established one, what about those who used to live in North America before 1492? ssup "Mr" Bush,
AFAIK, Allah swt says in the Qur'an [can't remember the surah and the verses ;(] that He has not destroyed any one nation without sending a warner to them priorly. Take Ad and Thamud tribes, Fir'aun, take the nation mentioned in Yasin.
Now, talking about unbelievers and such going to fire or bliss check the ahadeeth below:
Can a non-Muslim go to Heaven?
http://www.al-sunnah.com/convert/can_a_non.htm (http://www.al-sunnah.com/convert/can_a_non.htm)
Question:
Can a non-muslim enter paradise, for example, a Christian who believes in God (believing Jesus is a prophet) and his prophets, excluding Mohammad?
Praise be to Allaah.
Answer:
The answer to this question is presumably quite clear to all Muslims, because it is one of the obvious matters of ‘aqeedah (belief).
In answer to this question, it is sufficient to quote one aayah and one hadeeth.
The aayah is (interpretation of the meaning): "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
The hadeeth is: "By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Reported by Muslim, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Saheeh, 153).
:salam:
Akhee-Abdullah
05-10-2005, 11:03 PM
al-Hamdu-Lillaahi Rabbil-'Aalameen was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'alaa
Ashrafil-Anbiyaa’e wal-Mursaleen, wa ba'd:
as-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahi
Question:
People born and raised in different environments and religions naturally develop different temperaments and identities. A person born in a Hindu family becomes a Hindu upon growing up. For him the Hindu religion is perfect. For such a person it is ingrained into his nature from his childhood that he is a Hindu first and last. Supposingly he receives the message of Islam. What are the chances that he will give up his religion, his identity and accept a new one. Isn't it tough for this person to become Muslim as compared to someone born a Muslim. It scares me to think that if I were born into some other faith than Islam where would I be today. So why is it not the law that everyone does have an equal opportunity to experience and accept Islam from the cradle. It this a matter of Allah's will, Sprituality (Hidayah) or Human Psychology. Please respond with references from Quran and hadith.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“So set you (O Muhammad) your face towards the religion (of pure Islamic Monotheism) Haneef (worship none but Allaah Alone). Allaah’s Fitrah (i.e. Allaah’s Islamic Monotheism) with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq‑illaah (i.e. the religion of Allaah Islamic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not” [al-Room 30:30]
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every child is born in a state of fitrah (the natural state of man, i.e., Islam), then his parents make him into a Jew or a Christian or a Magian.” (Agreed upon).
The correct view is that what is meant by fitrah is the religion of Islam, as stated in the hadeeth narrated by Muslim from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “Allaah said: ‘I created My slaves as haneefs (believers in pure monotheism), then the Shaytaan misled them from their religion; he forbade them what I had permitted to them and commanded them to associate others with Me for which I had not sent down any authority.’” What it means when it is said that a child is born as a Muslim is that he is born inherently ready, when he reaches the age of discretion, if he is given the choice between Islam and its opposite, to prefer Islam over its opposite and to choose Islam as his religion, so long as there is nothing to prevent him from doing so, such as his whims and desires or tribalism. Following his desires makes him prefer falsehood so that he may attain some share of leadership or wealth, and tribalism or racial pride makes him follow his forefathers or elders, even if they are not following true guidance. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Nay! They say: ‘We found our fathers following a certain way and religion, and we guide ourselves by their footsteps’” [al-Zukhruf 43:23]
And Allaah tells us what the followers among the people of Hell will say (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they will say: ‘Our Lord! Verily, we obeyed our chiefs and our great ones, and they misled us from the (Right) Way’” [al-Ahzaab 33:67]
If every child is born in a state of fitrah, then obviously there will be some who will be influenced in ways that are in accordance with that fitrah and will strengthen it, such as those who are born to Muslim parents and grow up in a Muslim society. And there will be some whose fitrah is changed, such as those who are born to kaafir parents and group up among the kuffaar, be they Jews, Christians, Magians or mushrikeen. Undoubtedly the one who is born in Islam has means of guidance and happiness which are not available to others who are born and grow up in kaafir societies. Being given easy access to the means of faith and guidance is a blessing from Allaah which He gives to whomsoever He wills. It should also be noted that the person whose fitrah has been changed from Islam will not be punished for the sins of another; rather he will be punished if the call of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) reaches him and he does not accept it out of stubbornness, arrogance or tribalistic pride in the religion of his forefathers and countrymen, because proof is established against him when the call of the Messenger reaches him, and in such a case, if he persists in his kufr then he deserves to be punished. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)” [al-Israa’ 17:15]
What you say in your question, “It scares me to think…”, is correct and is wise, for it is the blessing of Allaah upon you that you were born in Islam. If you had been born into another religion, there would have been the fear that you might remain in that false religion, but when Allaah wills good for His slave, He makes it easy for him to have the means of guidance which will bring him from the religion of kufr to the religion of Islam. The entire matter is up to Allaah.
But when you say in your question, “So why is it not the law that…?” this is a false question caused by unawareness of the wisdom of Allaah and His ways of dealing with His creation. Of course it is impossible for the same opportunities to be available to all, because there are so many different human religions, and guidance to Islam happens when a person chooses to be guided, because Allaah has given man the ability to distinguish between truth and falsehood, between what is beneficial and what is harmful, by means of the reason that He has instilled in him, and the explanations with which He has sent His Messengers. At the same time, the will of the person is subject to the will of Allaah, for He is the One Who sends astray whomsoever He wills by His justice and wisdom, and He guides whomsoever He will by His grace and wisdom.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, this (the Qur’aan) is no less than a Reminder to (all) the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)
To whomsoever among you who wills to walk straight.
And you cannot will unless (it be) that Allaah wills the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists)” [al-Takweer 81:27-29]
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak.
Akhee-Abdullah
05-10-2005, 11:25 PM
And more beautiful answers in Russian language :!:
ВО ИМЯ АЛЛАХА МИЛОСТИВОГО МИЛОСЕРДНОГО
Хвала Аллаху, Господу миров. Мир и благословение пророку Мухаммаду, его семье и сподвижникам.
Данный сайт К Исламу (http://www.toislam.com/rus/) является результатом небольших усилий, направленных на донесение до мусульман их религии в том виде, в котором она была ниспослана Всевышним Аллахом пророку Мухаммаду (да благословит его Аллах и приветствует).
Мы не относимся к какой-либо политической партии или религиозному образованию.
Мы – это те, чьи убеждения соответствуют пониманию праведных предшественников, то есть мы понимаем Коран и Сунну пророка (да благословит его Аллах и приветствует) только так, как их понимали посланник Аллаха (да благословит его Аллах и приветствует), его сподвижники, их последователи и праведные имамы, такие как Абу Ханифа, Малик, Шафи'и, Ахмад, и многие другие выдающиеся исламские ученые.
Мы просим Великого и Всемогущего Аллаха не дать пропасть нашим усилиям и сделать этот труд искренним перед Его благородным Ликом, Свят Он и Велик.
Основы исламского вероучения
Что понимается под верой в предопределение??? (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=42)
Терминология шариата. Столпы веры. Достоинство науки вероубеждения. Ихлас. (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=43)
Ихлас. Смысл свидетельства. Идафа. Правила исламского вероубеждения (1-2) (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=44)
Продолжение правил исламского вероубеждения (3-5) (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=45)
Продолжение правил исламского вероубеждения (6-8). Источники шариата. (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=46)
Уроки единобожия
Общие черты исламского мировоззрения; исправление неправильных понятий 1 (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=1)
Общие черты исламского мировоззрения; исправление неправильных понятий 2 (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=2)
Единственность Аллаха в Его Господстве, в поклонении Ему и в Его именах и атрибутах 1 (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=3)
Единственность Аллаха в Его Господстве, в поклонении Ему и в Его именах и атрибутах 2 (http://www.toislam.com/rus/akida.asp?filepage=4)
Akhee-Abdullah
05-10-2005, 11:38 PM
And finally if you listen to one of those lectures, it says, :!:
"If a person has never received a Message never heard of Messengers or the truth of Allah's deen Allah subhana wa ta'ala will test person on the day of judgement. By ordering to throw into fire, if he does he will find coolness in it and will enter Jannah and he disobeys and does not jump into the fire, that would determine, had he had the chance to hear about the message of Allah subhana ta'ala in his life time, he would not have obeyed the messenger and thus enters the fire."
This does not apply to those who died while as children, their case is explained here:
Do the non-Muslims' children who die before they reach puberty go to Paradise? (http://www.bakkah.net/interactive/q&a/aawa018.htm)
Hope all of these do help. :!:
Abu Hurayra
05-11-2005, 03:28 AM
[QUOTE=Akhee-Abdullah]And finally if you listen to one of those lectures, it says, :!:
"If a person has never received a Message never heard of Messengers or the truth of Allah's deen Allah subhana wa ta'ala will test person on the day of judgement. By ordering to throw into fire, if he does he will find coolness in it and will enter Jannah and he disobeys and does not jump into the fire, that would determine, had he had the chance to hear about the message of Allah subhana ta'ala in his life time, he would not have obeyed the messenger and thus enters the fire."
Muslims believe in One Almighty Creator, Who is Omnipotent, Compassionate, and Merciful. In His mercy, He sends guidance to mankind on how to properly worship Him and live our lives.
Islam teaches that God sends prophets (http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure%2D03.html) to the nations, in different times and different places, to communicate His message. Since the beginning of time, God has sent His guidance through these chosen people. They were human beings who walked among their people and taught them about faith in One Almighty God, and how to walk on the path of righteousness. The Qur'an (http://islam.about.com/../msubquran.htm) says that "The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)
All prophets, peace be upon them all, gave guidance and instruction to their people about how to properly worship God and live their lives. Since God is One, His message has been one and the same throughout time. In essence, all prophets taught the message of Islam - to find peace in your life through submission to the One Almighty Creator -- to believe in God and to follow His guidance.
There are 25 prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an, although Muslims believe that there were many more in different times and places.
If you really interested in this question,you need to review the history of Islam.
Islam was the religion of the first humanbeing,the first prophet Adam (as),It was the religion of all prophets,Islam was the religion of Isa (Jesus).
Only the books from other prophets were changed by people,as you know now there are more than 400 versions of bible.
As in one hadith its said that at the judgement day,prophets will come with their followers-one will come with 10 followers,one with 100 and so on,one will come even with one followers,thus our prophet Muhammad saw said that his ummah(followers) will be the majority and he said that he will recognize mumins from the lights that come out from the mumin peoples part of body that touches the ground at the time of prayers(namoz-solat).
I strongly recommend you to review these articles:
http://islam.itl.org.uk/Jesus/coming.html (http://islam.itl.org.uk/Jesus/coming.html)
http://www.isprin.com/ (http://www.isprin.com/)
http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure%2D03.html (http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure%2D03.html)
http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa061399.htm (http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa061399.htm)
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