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King80
05-13-2005, 03:06 PM
Salom hammaga,
bir savolim bor edi.

UZBda kupchilik hollarda mitingni islamistlar organizacia qilishadi, chunki ularga davleniya kuchliligi tufayli. Davlat sistemasiga ham ular qarshi chiqishayapti.

Erta bir kuni hokimiyatni qurolli yul bilan islamistlar olishsa hozirgi holatdagidek qarab turaveramizmi, yoki sekin Qozog'istonga yoki boshqa joyga qochamizmi???

Shahsan islamistlarni hokimiatga kelishiga ishonmayman. Lekin UZBda oliy ma'lumotli zamonaviy kishilarni bulayotgan kup voqealarga e'tiborsizligi achinarli... Yoki qancha ma'lumotli bulsa odam shunchali "quy" buladimi??? :lol: :x ;)

maradona
05-13-2005, 03:42 PM
Shahsan islamistlarni hokimiatga kelishiga ishonmayman.
....qancha ma'lumotli bulsa odam shunchali "quy" buladimi???

Gap ishonish ishonmaslikdamas...Bizga haqiqiy demokratik davlat kerak...
Sababi hozir yer yuzuda islomga tugri amal qiladigan insonlarni uzi kam..(achinarli xolat)
ISLOM ni chala biladiganlar esa,xato talqin qiladiganlar esa,kofir dan battar...
qancha ma'lumotli bulsa uni shunchalik "quy" bulishga majbur... chunki ular qurol bilan hech nimaga erishib bulmaslikni yaxshi tushunadi...

agar UZB da xudo kursatmasinu qurolli quzgolonlar kupaysa...ana unda UZB ham Chechiniston yoki Afganistan ga uxshab qurol va narkotiklar bozoriga,qurolli jangarilar tayorgarlikdan utadigan mashgulot maydoniga aylanadi,....keyin tinchlikni qaytarishni iloji yuk!!!!!

Shuning uchun forumda yoki boshqa joyda har hil mish mishlarga igvo gaplarga chek quyish kerak...

Shaxsan men har qanday qurolli uzgarishlarga qarshiman!!!!

Hamid
05-14-2005, 04:17 PM
ISLAMIST deganda nimani nazarda tutyapsiz, oshanga kop narsa bogliq.
hh

Donishmand.
05-14-2005, 06:49 PM
Salom
Islamist, Vahabist deb shu pahta dalalari yangiliklaridan chiqmaydigan "AXBOROT" yoki Demokratiya deb halqni dindan buzayotgan Ablah odamlardan eshitvolib unga ishonib yuraveringlar va yuraveringlar. Bir kun kelib hamma Haqiqatni bilib olasizlar Ammo unda juda ham kech buladi.
Lekin shunaqa kech buladiki.... orqaga yo'l bulmaydi.

Faqat oldinga... Faqat Jahannam

"Только перёд и только Ад!" :evil: :devilish: :evil: :madder:

Mujahideen
05-14-2005, 08:09 PM
Gap ishonish ishonmaslikdamas...Bizga haqiqiy demokratik davlat kerak...
Sababi hozir yer yuzuda islomga tugri amal qiladigan insonlarni uzi kam..(achinarli xolat)
ISLOM ni chala biladiganlar esa,xato talqin qiladiganlar esa,kofir dan battar...
qancha ma'lumotli bulsa uni shunchalik "quy" bulishga majbur... chunki ular qurol bilan hech nimaga erishib bulmaslikni yaxshi tushunadi...

agar UZB da xudo kursatmasinu qurolli quzgolonlar kupaysa...ana unda UZB ham Chechiniston yoki Afganistan ga uxshab qurol va narkotiklar bozoriga,qurolli jangarilar tayorgarlikdan utadigan mashgulot maydoniga aylanadi,....keyin tinchlikni qaytarishni iloji yuk!!!!!

Shuning uchun forumda yoki boshqa joyda har hil mish mishlarga igvo gaplarga chek quyish kerak...

Shaxsan men har qanday qurolli uzgarishlarga qarshiman!!!!

Assalamu Alleikum "Maradona",
I can see that you have got little knowledge of what is Democracy and what is Islamic State. What will your democracy give you? Freedom? Freedom to kill? Freedom to rape? Freedom to have a intercourse with women? Freedom to waste your time ? And so on, so on..? Look at those countries with democracy: high rate of murder, drug trafficking, prostitution,high rates of suicide, rapes, smuggling, injustice, high rates of HIV/AIDS ? Is that what you want ? Or may be democracy will give you an opportunity to have an excellent education in UK or EU, career in a prestigeous company, money, Zilli and Zegna suites, clubbing and girls, cars and clothes? Yes, you can achieve that, you can have them all, but remember, remember well, the death is the fact, and one day you will certainly die as everyone will, and you will take with you only your deeds, bad and good, and you will be judged by them only, not by what suite you are wearing, not by your status, not by your wealth. Now you are opposing Islam, and you fear that, Islam will make your life dark and dull, that Islam will somehow take away your freedom. But please, do not fear. There is no compulsion in Islam. Allah (SWT) gave you the opportunity to choose, Allah (SWT) gave you the freedom to choose, you can choose to pray or you can choose not to, you can choose to obey Allah (SWT) or you can choose not to, but remember, you will be accountable for every your step, for every second in your life. You will be judged when the Time comes. And you should be prepared for that, you better be prepared for that Day. Allah (SWT) have created the Earth and the Heavens and everything what is between them, He is our Only Creator, and only He knows best how for us to to live. Don't you agree? You may say: "Look at Afghanistan, Iran or other "Islamic States", what do they have there? Poverty? War? Economic crisis?" Let me tell you something, right now at the present time there is not a singe state that is real, 100% authentic Islamic State. So we cannot compare a Democratic State to an Islamic state at the present, but if you just look at History of Islam starting from about 1400 years ago, you will certainly understand that you were wrong by opposing Islam and infinate wisdom behind it.
Remember, that doors of repentance are open as long as you live, but when you die it is too late my brother, it is too late to ask for forgiveness.
So turn you face to Allah(SWT) in prayer and ask for His Mercy, truly He is Most Merciful,Oft-Forgiving, Oft-Returning in Mercy and Kindness.
Take you time to think, perhaps,those seconds, minutes or hours that you spent in contemplation will save you from Hell-Fire.

Ma'Assalam Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu.

abubakarbashir
05-14-2005, 08:30 PM
http://www.geocities.com/nur_zayani/fsabil.html


http://www.geocities.com/nur_zayani/fhoto.html

Where I live you can do whatever the F** you want here are some extremists in indonesia

Mujahideen
05-15-2005, 08:04 AM
assalamu alaykum brother-

1st. tell me why took the name Mujahideen, what was your purpose behind that?

2nd Have u ever read the book by Muhammad SOlih, former shayx of Uzbekistan, named Democracy in Islam.

3rd. I think I don't want to be my fellow muslim brother a mujahideen and fight against the violence with violence.

4th. Please, keep the peace and Islam is the religion of peace. Being educated and knowing is one of the most important things in Islam. I beleive so!!!

Thank you-
Andijon da halqi uchun qurbon boganlarni hudo oz rahmatiga olsin. Omin

Waaleikum Assalam,
The name Mujahideen is plural from the word Mujahid, which in traslation from arabic means "the muslim soldier". Just look around you, brother...
Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Chechnya, Bosnia and Herzigovina, Uzbekistan, Kashmir, Egypt, Palestine etc... Everywhere muslim blood is shed, muslim sisters are raped and killed, our children and old men are hurt and killed.
I just wish we would have real mujahideen to protect them from evil-doers.
When you saw the name Mujahideen, you must have thought of Afghan fighters, you must have thought mujahideen can only be an extremist who wishes war and war only. No, that is clearly not the case. If you look at History of your Deen, you will find there such names as,Khalid bin Walid (RA), Umar bin Al-Hattab (RA), Sa'ad Bin Abi-Waqqas(RA),Khalif Mutassim (R) Muhammad al Fatih (R), SalahiDeen (R).., those are muslim leaders and commander generals of muslim armies, who took the example from our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), He (SAWS) always used to send to the enemy 3 conditions: 1)Acknowledge that there is no other god but
Allah(SWT), and Muhammad (SAWS) is His Prophet. And we live in peace.
2)If you decline first condition, you will have to pay Jizzya (a tax for non-muslims who live under protection of muslim army. Note, Jizzya is much less then taxes imposed on muslims).
3) If you decline the second condition, then we fight you.

Our prophet commanded the armies and so did all other commanders after him (SAWS) the following instractions.
1) No women, children, oldmen, sick or anyone who is not armed can be touched.
2)No houses, churches, sinagouges, temples, trees, gardens, orchards, crops can be touched.
3)Fight only those who is armed and fighting aginst you.
4) Treat prisoners of war the same way as you treat you brother. Never tie them up, share food and water, clothes and shelter.

So, as you can see, a real mujahideen are not those who you think they are.

I have not read Sheikh Muhammad Salih's book "Democracy in Islam". But I have read books of other Sheikhs. The word "Democracy" derives from the Greek "Demos Cratos" literally means "People Power". People are empowered to make laws and implement them.
But here what Allah SWT says regarding this matter:
"It is not for the believer male and female that when Allah and His Messenger decide on a matter that they should have any choice in the matter"
{Al-Ahzab 36).

"And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believer's way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination" {An-Nisa 115).

That should be quite clear, that Demos Cratos contradicts and opposes Islam, and therefore should be rejected by a true believer.

I hope I have answered your questions.

Ma'Assalam.

mushketyor
05-15-2005, 08:25 AM
Salom
Islamist, Vahabist deb shu pahta dalalari yangiliklaridan chiqmaydigan "AXBOROT" yoki Demokratiya deb halqni dindan buzayotgan Ablah odamlardan eshitvolib unga ishonib yuraveringlar va yuraveringlar. Bir kun kelib hamma Haqiqatni bilib olasizlar Ammo unda juda ham kech buladi.
Lekin shunaqa kech buladiki.... orqaga yo'l bulmaydi.

Faqat oldinga... Faqat Jahannam

"Только перёд и только Ад!" :evil: :devilish: :evil: :madder:



Qanaqa haqiqat???

Colpan
05-15-2005, 09:47 AM
tek hakimiyet Türk hakimiyetidir. Müslümanız diye devletimize arabı, farsı karıştıracak değiliz.

abubakarbashir
05-15-2005, 11:44 AM
Waaleikum Assalam,
The name Mujahideen is plural from the word Mujahid, which in traslation from arabic means "the muslim soldier". Just look around you, brother...
Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Chechnya, Bosnia and Herzigovina, Uzbekistan, Kashmir, Egypt, Palestine etc... Everywhere muslim blood is shed, muslim sisters are raped and killed, our children and old men are hurt and killed.
I just wish we would have real mujahideen to protect them from evil-doers.
When you saw the name Mujahideen, you must have thought of Afghan fighters, you must have thought mujahideen can only be an extremist who wishes war and war only. No, that is clearly not the case. If you look at History of your Deen, you will find there such names as,Khalid bin Walid (RA), Umar bin Al-Hattab (RA), Sa'ad Bin Abi-Waqqas(RA),Khalif Mutassim (R) Muhammad al Fatih (R), SalahiDeen (R).., those are muslim leaders and commander generals of muslim armies, who took the example from our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), He (SAWS) always used to send to the enemy 3 conditions: 1)Acknowledge that there is no other god but
Allah(SWT), and Muhammad (SAWS) is His Prophet. And we live in peace.
2)If you decline first condition, you will have to pay Jizzya (a tax for non-muslims who live under protection of muslim army. Note, Jizzya is much less then taxes imposed on muslims).
3) If you decline the second condition, then we fight you.

Our prophet commanded the armies and so did all other commanders after him (SAWS) the following instractions.
1) No women, children, oldmen, sick or anyone who is not armed can be touched.
2)No houses, churches, sinagouges, temples, trees, gardens, orchards, crops can be touched.
3)Fight only those who is armed and fighting aginst you.
4) Treat prisoners of war the same way as you treat you brother. Never tie them up, share food and water, clothes and shelter.

So, as you can see, a real mujahideen are not those who you think they are.

I have not read Sheikh Muhammad Salih's book "Democracy in Islam". But I have read books of other Sheikhs. The word "Democracy" derives from the Greek "Demos Cratos" literally means "People Power". People are empowered to make laws and implement them.
But here what Allah SWT says regarding this matter:
"It is not for the believer male and female that when Allah and His Messenger decide on a matter that they should have any choice in the matter"
{Al-Ahzab 36).

"And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believer's way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination" {An-Nisa 115).

That should be quite clear, that Demos Cratos contradicts and opposes Islam, and therefore should be rejected by a true believer.

I hope I have answered your questions.

Ma'Assalam.those peopel kill poeple. mujahid are animals theyre not humans

PainKiller
05-15-2005, 12:01 PM
Узбекистан должен идти по пути Светскому, Демократическому. Верить в бога или нет, Молиться или Напиться будет решать сам человек. И никто никому не будет нотации читать там где не хочеться.:twisted:

Donishmand.
05-15-2005, 03:01 PM
Qanaqa haqiqat???

Islamist, Vahabist deb yurgan odamsimonlarga Qanday "Haqiqat" bulishi mumkin...
O'zingiz o'ylang bularga qanday haqiqat kerak..?
Albatta faqat "Islom" haqiqati, Din haqiqati kerak.

"Albatta, Alloh nazdida (maqbul) din Islom (dini)dir......" //Oli-Imron-19//

maradona
05-15-2005, 03:15 PM
Islamist, Vahabist deb yurgan odamsimonlarga Qanday "Haqiqat" bulishi mumkin...
O'zingiz o'ylang bularga qanday haqiqat kerak..?
Albatta faqat "Islom" haqiqati, Din haqiqati kerak.

"Albatta, Alloh nazdida (maqbul) din Islom (dini)dir......" //Oli-Imron-19//

Men sizga savol bersam javob berasizmi?

Ayting qani UZB da islom dini,yani xalifalik bulishini xoxlaysizmi?
Unda hozirgi kunda yarim yalangoch kiyinib yurganlarni,aroq ichib,chuchqa gushti yeb yurganlarni,zino dan qaytmay yurganlarni dorga osib uldiramizmi yoki tosh buron qilibmi?

Marhamat qilib savolimga javob bering....

Colpan
05-15-2005, 03:18 PM
www.nursuzlar.tk (http://www.nursuzlar.tk)
Fethullah Gülen'in iç yüzü. Kardeşlerimiz bu adama dikkat etmelidir.

Uzbekistan2010
05-15-2005, 03:50 PM
Men sizga savol bersam javob berasizmi?

Ayting qani UZB da islom dini,yani xalifalik bulishini xoxlaysizmi?
Unda hozirgi kunda yarim yalangoch kiyinib yurganlarni,aroq ichib,chuchqa gushti yeb yurganlarni,zino dan qaytmay yurganlarni dorga osib uldiramizmi yoki tosh buron qilibmi?

Marhamat qilib savolimga javob bering....


maradona qoysanga shular bilan aytishib nishatasan..

PainKiller
05-15-2005, 03:52 PM
чучqа гушти еб юрганларни... Ха, Тогри. Фермалардаги Чучкаларнинг Такдири нима булади? Бунга хам жавоб беринг.:rolleyes:

Uzbekistan2010
05-15-2005, 03:54 PM
Ха, Тогри. Фермалардаги Чучкаларнинг Такдири нима булади? Бунга хам жавоб беринг.:rolleyes:

puahahaahaahaahaha... bu savolmi yoki shunchaki hazil

uzr dostlar chin kongildan kulganim yoq...

Maximilyan
05-15-2005, 04:02 PM
Tot chelovek, kotoryj dumaet, chto posle islamizacii strany budet uluchshatsya material'noe polozheniya naroda, prosto mne kazhetsya glupyj on. Uslamizacya strany, vsyakie halifaty ni k chemu, potomu chto my dolzhny stroit pravovo-demokraticheskuyu stranu, ne nado ni kogda putat' islama s demokratiyaj, gde est' islamskaya ideologiya tam ne budet demokratii.

Maximilyan
05-15-2005, 04:09 PM
Maradona kto kak hochet odevatsya, chem hochet pitatsya, vse eto ego lichnoe delo. Ty s etim hochesh' naroda Uzbekistana razdelit na dve gruppu, veruyushie i neveruyushie. Voobshe kazhdyj chelovek sam vybiraet verit' emu ili ne verit' Boga. Vidali veruyushih etih islamistov, kotorye strelyayut i ubivayut ne vinnyh lyudej. Esli vo vlast' pridut lyudi islamisty v Uzbekistane nachnetsya haus.

abubakarbashir
05-15-2005, 04:10 PM
uzbekistan dolshun bit ,

1 . socialist
2 . democracy
3 . non police state
4. all freedoms
5.freedoms to be any religeoin All religeoins.

Donishmand.
05-16-2005, 05:28 PM
Men sizga savol bersam javob berasizmi?

Ayting qani UZB da islom dini,yani xalifalik bulishini xoxlaysizmi?
Unda hozirgi kunda yarim yalangoch kiyinib yurganlarni,aroq ichib,chuchqa gushti yeb yurganlarni,zino dan qaytmay yurganlarni dorga osib uldiramizmi yoki tosh buron qilibmi?

Marhamat qilib savolimga javob bering....

Assalamu alaykum (bu salom mu'minlarga) :D
Sizning savolingiz, sizni Din haqida, Halifalik haqida tushunchaga ega emas ekanligingizni ko'rsatib turibdi.
Savolingizni 1 qismini o'zingizga tahlil qilsak, ta'rifni olib tashlang
1-Variant
Ayting qani UZB da islom dini bulishini xoxlaysizmi?
Ha albatta hohlayman

2-Variant
Ayting qani UZB da xalifalik bulishini xoxlaysizmi?
Nafaqat UZBda balki Butun yer kurrasida 1ta bulishini hohlayman.

Avvalo Siz Islom nima ekanligini o'rganing. Keyin Savol bering.
Savolingizni ikkinchi qismiga kelsak. U siz eshitgan dorga osish yoki tosh buron qilish jazolari "...yarim yalangoch kiyinib yurganlarni,aroq ichib,chuchqa gushti yeb yurganlarni,zino dan qaytmay yurganlar..." ga emas,* Siz hotirjam bo'ling.

Savolingizdan, Siz - Inson hayoti, bahtli-saodati, Qadriyati, Uning haq-huquq erkinligini himoya qiladigan odam ko'rinasiz. Ha bu shunshalik shiddatingiz bor ekan, nimaga bu nohaqdan musulmon halq qamayotgan Hokimiyatni ayblamaysiz! Ha bularni qilayotgan ishlari oldida, Islom jazosi hech narsa bulmay qolyapti yoki boshqa mavzuga o'tadigan bulsak, Bu bechora halqni yil davomida tergan pahtasi qayerga ketyapti? Oladigan oyligi 3kg guruch yoki 2kg Yog'. Islom o'zini halqini bunday hor qilmaydi. Hullas gapirsa gap ko'p. Sal fikr yuritsangiz bas, (Avtomatic) ravishda islom tarafdori bo'lib qolasiz. Faqat hohlamaysizda....
Kech bulmasdan Fikr yuritib qoling.


Omad... :)


Kech bulsa orqaga yo'l bulmaydi.

Faqat oldinga... Faqat Jahannam

"Только перёд и только Ад!" :evil: :devilish: :evil: :madder:
*Bu Mo'min bo'la turib bazi gunohi kabira ishlarni qilganlarga, Vallohu a'lam

The Reaper
05-17-2005, 12:29 AM
www.nursuzlar.tk (http://www.nursuzlar.tk)
Fethullah Gülen'in iç yüzü. Kardeşlerimiz bu adama dikkat etmelidir.

Holy batsh*t!! :evil:
Listen stud, how hard is it to write in a language people can understand!?
Don't speak Uzbek, Russian or English? Grab a dictionary!!

TR

Hamid
05-17-2005, 01:40 AM
Holy batsh*t!! :evil:
Listen stud, how hard is it to write in a language people can understand!?
Don't speak Uzbek, Russian or English? Grab a dictionary!!

TR
He is speaking about Fathullah Gule, a muslim who is from turkey.
I did not visit the website, but from what he says this website describes who is real Fathullah Gulen is.
hh

Hamid
05-17-2005, 01:52 AM
And please people who does not have much info or knowledge about islamic State get some history books (get the objective ones) and gain some knowledge, if you are going to read the posts of people who are muslims and believe that Islamic State is the perfect.

Islam in all ways the life of living for a mankind in this world set by Allah (JJ). And we should not accept any other way of living as we never know what is good or what is bad for us. So the wise thing will be accept the way which was set by only Allah, as Allah is All-Knowing, Hakim and Alim.
And if we compare this ruling with Democracy where people have power, tehy will always struggle till the end of days to get a perfect laws, but will find out that it is never possible.
And nobody is going to kill and punish all these people, everybody will be educated first, but everybody will be asked to live under the rule of Islam for their everyday life.
hh

Mujahideen
05-17-2005, 12:23 PM
Tot chelovek, kotoryj dumaet, chto posle islamizacii strany budet uluchshatsya material'noe polozheniya naroda, prosto mne kazhetsya glupyj on. Uslamizacya strany, vsyakie halifaty ni k chemu, potomu chto my dolzhny stroit pravovo-demokraticheskuyu stranu, ne nado ni kogda putat' islama s demokratiyaj, gde est' islamskaya ideologiya tam ne budet demokratii.

Assalamu Alleikum Maximilyan,
I can see that, your knowledge is very limited. You know nothing of what The "Democratic State" is and what is the Islamic State.Intelligent people tend to keep quite if they don't know in order to hide their lack of knowledge, but some tend to do the opposite in order to show how intelligent they are, but all what they show is shame and limited mind. May Allah be Merciful on those who oppose His religion, the religion that has been sent to the whole humanity as a Mercy from Allah SWT.

"This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." {Surat 5.Al-Ma'idah, Ayat 3)

Hope, you will re-consider your mind about your religion and repent before Allah SWT, Allah SWT is Most Merciful, Oft-Forgiving.

The doors of repentence are still open, no matter how sinful you are...

May Allah guide you,
Ma'Assalam.

PainKiller
05-17-2005, 12:33 PM
Халифат или как-бы там ещё вы не называли систему правления, ПОСЛЕДНЕЕ ЧТО НУЖНО НАМ В НАШЕЙ СТРАНЕ. Те кто думают что После Прихода к Власти "Религиозников", какой-бы они не придерживались религии, всё будет Хорошо, ОШИБАЮТСЯ. У нас должна быт' демократическая, Открытая для науки и развития страна и схема правления. У нас должна действовать Конституция, а не законы Шариата. Учитывая, что Конституция при полной её силе, ГАРАНТИРУЕТ право на практику религии, так же как и отвергание её, то это самый оптимальный вариант для нашего общества, где население смешанное, с разными взглядами на аспект "Религия"

Alex
05-17-2005, 12:38 PM
Халифат или как-бы там ещё вы не называли систему правления, ПОСЛЕДНЕЕ ЧТО НУЖНО НАМ В НАШЕЙ СТРАНЕ. Те кто думают что После Прихода к Власти "Религиозников", какой-бы они не придерживались религии, всё будет Хорошо, ОШИБАЮТСЯ. У нас должна быт' демократическая, Открытая для науки и развития страна и схема правления. У нас должна действовать Конституция, а не законы Шариата. Учитывая, что Конституция при полной её силе, ГАРАНТИРУЕТ право на практику религии, так же как и отвергание её, то это самый оптимальный вариант для нашего общества, где население смешанное, с разными взглядами на аспект "Религия" На юридическом языке это называется "светское государство" означающие одно: религия отделена от государства. Все религии и религиозные объединения равны перед Законом. Никакая религия не объявляется государственной. Религиозное образования является сугубо добровольным, негосударственным. Все цивилизованные страны, в том числе ведущее мусульманское государство - Турция, идут по этому пути. Можно читать исторические книги, возврращаясь во времена когда Халифат был одним из развитых государтств. Но сегодня 21 век и мы должны итди вперед. Респект.

Mujahideen
05-17-2005, 04:08 PM
На юридическом языке это называется "светское государство" означающие одно: религия отделена от государства. Все религии и религиозные объединения равны перед Законом. Никакая религия не объявляется государственной. Религиозное образования является сугубо добровольным, негосударственным. Все цивилизованные страны, в том числе ведущее мусульманское государство - Турция, идут по этому пути. Можно читать исторические книги, возврращаясь во времена когда Халифат был одним из развитых государтств. Но сегодня 21 век и мы должны итди вперед. Респект.

Dear Alex,

I have read your post attentively. Can I now express my opinion. Islam is not just a religion, do not try to reduce Islam into "just religion" level and put it into "religion frame". Islam is a way of life. Islam covers every single aspect of our everyday life. Islam provides complete Economic, Political, Social, Judicial, Educational Systems and Foreign Policy. If you just knew what is Islam, you would not dare to say such things. Do not be narrow and limited minded. Do not judge Islam providing bad examples of muslims. And do not think of Islamic System as an ancient and obsolete system, it is system for all times and all humanity.

Best regards,
Friend.

PainKiller
05-17-2005, 05:42 PM
Dear Alex,

I have read your post attentively. Can I now express my opinion. Islam is not just a religion, do not try to reduce Islam into "just religion" level and put it into "religion frame". Islam is a way of life. Islam covers every single aspect of our everyday life. Islam provides complete Economic, Political, Social, Judicial, Educational Systems and Foreign Policy. If you just knew what is Islam, you would not dare to say such things. Do not be narrow and limited minded. Do not judge Islam providing bad examples of muslims. And do not think of Islamic System as an ancient and obsolete system, it is system for all times and all humanity.

Best regards,
Friend.
Well, with the same Success I can Insist on Biblical Teaching to be The right way for Uzbekistan, and we should build the Second Vatican. BuT I will do another thing, Can u explain me, the person who is neither Religious, nor atheist, How can the "islamistS" Help the country of my people, and what makes u believe that if they come to the Goverment we will have a better life? What are we suppose to do with People of other religious minorities in Our countries?

Hamid
05-19-2005, 04:40 AM
Well, with the same Success I can Insist on Biblical Teaching to be The right way for Uzbekistan, and we should build the Second Vatican. BuT I will do another thing, Can u explain me, the person who is neither Religious, nor atheist, How can the "islamistS" Help the country of my people, and what makes u believe that if they come to the Goverment we will have a better life? What are we suppose to do with People of other religious minorities in Our countries?
InKoGniTo, i thought you knew religion pretty well, as I have read few of your posts over in forum.russianamerica where you were preaching Islam, explaining what islam is to people who did not know much about islam.
regards
hh

Hamid
05-19-2005, 04:45 AM
Question to people who think that religion should be separated from government.
But I will introduce few things.
What is America doing at the moment?: Spreading Democracy, preaching it!
So Democracy is a new religion, it is a new way of life.
I see democracy as a RELIGION.
Quote from a lot of users: I want no religion in the government!
Are not you living double standards?????????
Just try to think about it, analyse it, and psot your answers here.
hh

Mujahideen
05-20-2005, 06:41 AM
Well, with the same Success I can Insist on Biblical Teaching to be The right way for Uzbekistan, and we should build the Second Vatican. BuT I will do another thing, Can u explain me, the person who is neither Religious, nor atheist, How can the "islamistS" Help the country of my people, and what makes u believe that if they come to the Goverment we will have a better life? What are we suppose to do with People of other religious minorities in Our countries?

Dear Inkognito,

Let's start from very begining.Hazrat Isa(Jesus) (AS) was sent to Jews only.Hazrat Isa's (AS)mission was different from Prophet Muhammad's (SAWS).
Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was sent to ALL humanity and his (SAWS) messege addresses every aspect of our life, whereas Hazrat Isa (AS) was sent to Jews only. Biblical teaching, therefore does not contain a Ruling System from Allah, it also does not contain Educational, Political, Economical, Social Policies and Foreigh Policy. Biblical teachings are purely spiritual, whereas Islam is complete, nothing can be added and nothing can be taken out.

Islam is the religion of your Creator (SWT). Only Allah (SWT) alone knows what is best for you, only He (SWT) knows how for you to live. Allah (SWT) is Most Merciful, Most Beneficient, Allah (SWT) cares for us more than anyone else combined together. So do you still think that Allah's system can harm your country or any country? All non-muslims will be living in peace and harmony and if there is a dispute between people, they will be judged by Sharia with justice that you even have not dreamed of, however you can read the justification for my words in historical sources, when christians and jews found a refuge in Ottoman lands from a Dark Europ's oppressions. And they were happy how they were treated, with justice, respect and honour.

I hope I have answered your questions.
Best regards,
Friend.