Calling for a protest in the USA!

[farafira]

Assalomu aleykum.

To all in US reading this: today's protest in Washington unfortunately, as most of you saw, gathered very few people (i'm incredibly grateful to those who organized and showed up, it is certainly better than nothing). This obviously happened because most of us were misinformed. I personally found out about it from a friend (from Kazakhstan) who was traveling to D.C. and just happened to be in the area; he join the protestors only towards the end. What a shame! I feel terrible I was not there to support the protestors against the IshAK's regime and in remembrance of all who died in Andijon.

To all in U.K. thank you very much for the protest held already and all the best with the one coming up tomorrow !

Having said this, I encourage all of you guys/girls in the states to show our solidarity and to organize another significantly bigger non-violent demonstration. Don't know the exact numbers but it's definately a lot more of us from Uzbekistan here in US than in UK (and that's just Uzbekistanis, there are so many people from different countries who support us and are willing to take part in the protest). I know we're all busy and there's traveling expenses for some, but c'mon we can arrange some day(s) off work and school, and make up for the money spent later. In fact, these reasons should not be of any concern at this point.
Guys, we can do this. We actually owe it to ourselves! It is the least we can do !!!

The fact that it's been almost a week since the deadly events and our government still did not announce the mourning day no matter what the count of dead people is, pisses me off, and doesn't seem like Motam Kuni is gonna be announced anytime soon. When, not if, we gather - we'll have the chance to publicly keep a moment of silence for all those innocent men, women, and children who died.
All comments related to this subject are wellcome. Please take time to consider all the options and leave your suggenstions here. The sooner we do it, the better !!!
Sincerely,
ff

[UzLand]

Just got this info.

Birlik is organizing a protest May 23, 2005, at 9:30 am, in
front of the Orlando Courthouse in Florida.

[Hadija]

Just got this info.

Birlik is organizing a protest May 23, 2005, at 9:30 am, in
front of the Orlando Courthouse in Florida.

Kim u "Birlik"? Yoki nima u?

Nima qilib beradi? Ozgaradimi? Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?
Nikto nam ne pomojet krome nas samih.Ni US i ni Evropa, daje ne Rossiya. Vse verbuyut informaciyu v svoyu pol`zu.

Nado na vremya smiritsya i jdat` 2007 goda. Vse ravno on uje prigovoril sebya k otstavke. Radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet`.vse.12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem.

i Voobshe nado obektivno smotret` i imet` v vidu chto by tam ne bylo,etot
idiot ne hotel chto by sobitiya vzyali takoy oborot. za nim ne ostavili vyhoda. K sojeleniyu ne narod. narod tut ne prichem , ona byla i ostalas` proigrannoy peshkoy v rukah teh kto eto zateyal. eto daje ne islamisti-fundamentalisty, daje ne akramisty.vse bylo predusmoptreno. Byla cel`:sverjenie pravitel`stva, esli ne udastsya , to dobitsya k etomu cherez mirovoe soobshestvo.komu to nujna vlast`.No komu?

Ne isklyuchayu , chto trudno narodu. No eto uje sleduyush`aya istoriya. samoe obidnoe narod byl orujiem na rukah organizatorov tragedii.
Da Karimov plohoy, ego nado ubrat` , no naidite cheloveka snchala. Upasi Bog , chto budet` esli vlast` ostanetsya bez pravitelya... Nachnetsya HAOS!
Etogo i hoteli..

[admiral]

Kim u "Birlik"? Yoki nima u?

Nima qilib beradi? Ozgaradimi? Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?
Nikto nam ne pomojet krome nas samih.Ni US i ni Evropa, daje ne Rossiya. Vse verbuyut informaciyu v svoyu pol`zu.

Nado na vremya smiritsya i jdat` 2007 goda. Vse ravno on uje prigovoril sebya k otstavke. Radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet`.vse.12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem.

a cho jdat' ta? cho budet cherez 2 goda? Nu i Karimov uydyot, i ostavit' za soboy "svoego" i vsyo snachala chto li? nado deystvovat' seychas. hvatit' ...
vseh ih nado ottuda sgonyat' i novoe pravitel'stvo sostavit'.

[Hadija]

a cho jdat' ta? cho budet cherez 2 goda? Nu i Karimov uydyot, i ostavit' za soboy "svoego" i vsyo snachala chto li? nado deystvovat' seychas. hvatit' ...
vseh ih nado ottuda sgonyat' i novoe pravitel'stvo sostavit'.

ok , ubrali.. ty budesh` pravit`? podskaji za kogo golosovat` mojno hot`...:rolleyes:

[UzLand]

ok , ubrali.. ty budesh` pravit`? podskaji za kogo golosovat` mojno hot`...:rolleyes:

А что, адмирал, не плохой парень. Он хотя бы в своих стрелять не будет. А так мозгов много не надо, чтобы до ЕГО уровня вырасти. За 15 лет ничего не изменилось в лучшую сторону. Да так управлять любой умеет.

[Hadija]

А что, адмирал, не плохой парень. Он хотя бы в своих стрелять не будет. А так мозгов много не надо, чтобы до ЕГО уровня вырасти. За 15 лет ничего не изменилось в лучшую сторону. Да так управлять любой умеет.

ya ne opravdivayu i.k. .. no vy oshiblis` . Ne vse umayut tak "upravlyat`" stranoy.:)
Vi dumaete , chto etot myatej izmenila v lutshcheyu storonu nashu jizn`, ili kto to pridet izmenit? esli on ubejal by libo osvobodil by mesto , nachalas` by bor`ba` za vlasT` , za sobstvennost`.Nachalsya by haos . grajdanskaya voyna, kotoraya privela by k bolee bol`shim poteryam.

[farafira]

[QUOTE=Hadija]Kim u "Birlik"? Yoki nima u?
Nima qilib beradi? Ozgaradimi? Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?

Hadija, opredelis' snachala so svoey tochkoy zreniya. Protivorechish je sama sebe!
"Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?"
Bundan chiqdi Andijon fojiasi umuman dodvoy solishga arzimiydi .... yuzlab odamlar shunchaki o'z hohishi bilan hayotlaridan ajralishdi !
"Nikto nam ne pomojet krome nas samih.Ni US i ni Evropa, daje ne Rossiya. Vse verbuyut informaciyu v svoyu pol`zu."
Sudya po tvoim rassujdeniyam mi eshe kak sebe pomojem smirnen'ko sidya doma, nichego ne predprinimaya, (bez kakih-libo "voy-dodov") ojidaya 2007 god i slepo nadeyas' na demokratichnie vibori gde neizvestno otkuda (kak ti skazala "naidite cheloveka snchala") poyavitsa ideal'niy kandidat. Mda.

Esli ti prochitala moy post vnimatel'no, glavnim povodom provedeniya protesta yavlyaetsa privlechenie vnimaniya obshestvennosti kotoroe dast nam vozmojnost' ot imeni vseh Uzbekistansev (i ne tol'ko) publichno virazit' svoi soboleznovaniya sem'yam pogibshih, potrebovat' obyavleniya dnya traura v Uzbekistane, honor all those who died with the moment of silence, i glavnoe dat' vsem ponyat' chto mi - NE ZABUDEM!

Ti absolutno nikakoy obyazannosti v etom sluchae ne chuvstvuesh? As little as taking the time to unite so that among others you can show how u've been affected by what happened in your home country? Ti ne dumaesh chto v sluchae masshtabnogo protesta dlya IAKa i ego brigadi eto budet ocherednoy udar (na ryadu s drugimi stranami gde uje bili organizovani demostratsii) po ego samouverennosti v pravlenii stranoy, v samouverennosti afishirovaniya lojnoy informatsii svoemu narodu i vsemu miru, kak idiotam, kogda fakti o sluchivshimsya govoryat sami za sebya. Ti ne dumaesh chto znaya chto v US ogromnoe kolichestvo uzbekistantsev kotorie mogli bi dobit'sa mnogogo, no ne predprinimayut absolutno nichego, emu tol'ko na ruku???

Smeshno na samom dele chto ti govorish "sami sebe pomojem" i v to je vremya predlagaesh smirit'sa i jdat'; "radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet' vse. 12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem."
Vo pervih, Hadija, ne 12 let a 15! Vo vtorih, esli ti ne v kurse, umerli, eshe kak umerli i umiraut ludi! Prochitay novosti, posmotri snimki, tam eto tela ne ot ustalosti lejashih lyudey lejat kuchami, a ubitih!

Hadija, ur comments are just so mixed up, one only wonders where to even begin and end commenting on them ...

Uzland, kogda Birlik oby'yavila o svoem proteste? Again, we're finding this out waaay too late .....

ff

[Alchemist]

Slushay ti ne but samoy umnoy, skoka chelovek nevinih pogiblo v andijane????? ne nado dumat za kogo golosavat, huzhe uzhe ne budet eto tochno.





ok , ubrali.. ty budesh` pravit`? podskaji za kogo golosovat` mojno hot`...:rolleyes:

[driver]

assalamu alikum!

[-Resident-]

Nado na vremya smiritsya i jdat` 2007 goda. Vse ravno on uje prigovoril sebya k otstavke. Radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet`.vse.12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem.


Sizdaka yahshi yashashni kutib orzu qiladiganlar ko`paysa , Hudo hohlasa "yahshi" yashaydi..

Shu ikkala postingiz bir biriga sal to`g`ri kelmay qolibdimi yoki menga shunaqa tuyuldimi a?:twisted:

[Pythagor]

assalamu alikum!

Wa alaykum assalom

[petkaface!]

internal wars are the best for making everything better

[Hadija]

Shu ikkala postingiz bir biriga sal to`g`ri kelmay qolibdimi yoki menga shunaqa tuyuldimi a?:twisted:
ne hotite ponimat` , vot i povorachivaete v svoyu storonu. citiruyu:



Сообщение от Hadija
Sizdaka yahshi yashashni kutib orzu qiladiganlar ko`paysa , Hudo hohlasa "yahshi" yashaydi..



Eto slova byli skazany voobshe po drugoy tematike.. I smisl byl takov:
Yahshi yashamoq uchun orzu qilishni ozi kam, hamma ozi uchun ishlashi kerak....
Nado na vremya smiritsya i jdat` 2007 goda. Vse ravno on uje prigovoril sebya k otstavke. Radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet`.vse.12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem.
i v etom ya priderjivayus`: nado ter`pet` . Chto by ne prolivalas` lishnyaya kaplya krovi nevinnyh.. ili vy hotite inache bylo?

yoki menga shunaqa tuyuldimi a?:twisted:
Tuyulibdi.:lol:

ne stoit izobrajat` sebya analitikom.

[-Resident-]

ne stoit izobrajat` sebya analitikom.
Ne stoit vam izobrajat umnika luchshe nado dumat prejde chem napisat chtoto i nado svoi oshibki prinyat a ne otvorachovatsa!

[Hadija]

[QUOTE=Hadija]Kim u "Birlik"? Yoki nima u?
Nima qilib beradi? Ozgaradimi? Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?

Hadija, opredelis' snachala so svoey tochkoy zreniya. Protivorechish je sama sebe!
"Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?"
Bundan chiqdi Andijon fojiasi umuman dodvoy solishga arzimiydi .... yuzlab odamlar shunchaki o'z hohishi bilan hayotlaridan ajralishdi !
"Nikto nam ne pomojet krome nas samih.Ni US i ni Evropa, daje ne Rossiya. Vse verbuyut informaciyu v svoyu pol`zu."
Sudya po tvoim rassujdeniyam mi eshe kak sebe pomojem smirnen'ko sidya doma, nichego ne predprinimaya, (bez kakih-libo "voy-dodov") ojidaya 2007 god i slepo nadeyas' na demokratichnie vibori gde neizvestno otkuda (kak ti skazala "naidite cheloveka snchala") poyavitsa ideal'niy kandidat. Mda.

Esli ti prochitala moy post vnimatel'no, glavnim povodom provedeniya protesta yavlyaetsa privlechenie vnimaniya obshestvennosti kotoroe dast nam vozmojnost' ot imeni vseh Uzbekistansev (i ne tol'ko) publichno virazit' svoi soboleznovaniya sem'yam pogibshih, potrebovat' obyavleniya dnya traura v Uzbekistane, honor all those who died with the moment of silence, i glavnoe dat' vsem ponyat' chto mi - NE ZABUDEM!

Ti absolutno nikakoy obyazannosti v etom sluchae ne chuvstvuesh? As little as taking the time to unite so that among others you can show how u've been affected by what happened in your home country? Ti ne dumaesh chto v sluchae masshtabnogo protesta dlya IAKa i ego brigadi eto budet ocherednoy udar (na ryadu s drugimi stranami gde uje bili organizovani demostratsii) po ego samouverennosti v pravlenii stranoy, v samouverennosti afishirovaniya lojnoy informatsii svoemu narodu i vsemu miru, kak idiotam, kogda fakti o sluchivshimsya govoryat sami za sebya. Ti ne dumaesh chto znaya chto v US ogromnoe kolichestvo uzbekistantsev kotorie mogli bi dobit'sa mnogogo, no ne predprinimayut absolutno nichego, emu tol'ko na ruku???

Smeshno na samom dele chto ti govorish "sami sebe pomojem" i v to je vremya predlagaesh smirit'sa i jdat'; "radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet' vse. 12let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem."
Vo pervih, Hadija, ne 12 let a 15! Vo vtorih, esli ti ne v kurse, umerli, eshe kak umerli i umiraut ludi! Prochitay novosti, posmotri snimki, tam eto tela ne ot ustalosti lejashih lyudey lejat kuchami, a ubitih!

Hadija, ur comments are just so mixed up, one only wonders where to even begin and end commenting on them ...

Uzland, kogda Birlik oby'yavila o svoem proteste? Again, we're finding this out waaay too late .....

ff

thanks for za stol` long post. interesting it was to read your thoughts.

Skaju esh`e raz: Ya protiv prolitiya lishney kapli krovi nevinnogo naroda, a my seychas uslojnyaem , Karimov so svoey ambiciey dokazat` svoyu nevinnost` i chto za etim stoit terror gotov na vse. i v tom ili inom sluchae krovi budet bol`she. Lutshche ne vozbujdat` drakona lishne raz. Esli by byl lider kotoriy smojet ego pobedit` ili postavit` ego na mesto, to ya molchu.
Narod doljen snachala naiti ego , a potom uj` buntovat`. a vcherashnyaya istoriya eto byla podstroena. Eto byl signal Karimovu ot "kogo" to. V kotoroy stavkoy sygral nevinniy narod. a Karimov otvetil etomu signalu. U nego ne bylo vybora. Da on i seychas v rasteryannosty ,sam ne ponimaet chto on govorit, tipo krisha edet. POmomo etogo u nego "sovetnikov sjigateley" dostatochno, kotorie v svoyu pol`zu gnut palku( naschet ejemeseyachnyh ob`"pojdenii " zakonov).Ya ne opravdivayu ego. net ni maleyshego jelaniya , tak je bol`no za detey , materey i be vesty propavshih, za nevinnuh zaklyuchennih .. i za sobstvennogo otsa takje kogda -to... ya chitala , videla i do sih por chitayu.. analiziruyu.. POetomu izlojila svoi mneniya...Moy brat nahodilsya v tot den` imenno v centre , no po Bog spas ego,i on vernulsya v Tashkent.
Nado smotert` ob`ektivno . Karimov byl horoshim politikom, no on eto ischerpal svoimi ambiciyami .( Esh`e nado uchest` to chto docherya zaverbovany mafiey, tiliq qisqa kimlarnidir oldida)Skazala 12 let , potomu chto v nachele do 93-94x vse bylo gladko. My lyubili , pochitali , uvajali ego. On bil idelaom, i liderom dlya nas.
No kak vremena , tak i trebovanie menyayutsya...Ego oshubka , to chto on ne podpustil k vlasti oppoziciyu, sozdal monapoliyu v pravitel`stve i v parlamente.Tak esli nam bylo ploho 15 let , zachem vy togda golosovali za nego vse gody??? Ved` my sami golosovali.. sami izbrali , sami prodlili emu srok... tak v chem vopros? budem ter`pet`, radi detey, radi materey, radi otcov... dva goda eto ne bol`shoy srok. Pered terpeniem 15 let , kak vy govorite eto ne tak uj mnogo....V dannoy sluchae nel`zya dopuskat` bezvlastie i predprenimat` kakie libo myateji...Da u Karomova est` odin razumniy vihod, hotya ya somnevayus` v etom. Bylo by razumno s ego storony esli on izvenitsya pered narodom , pered svoimi det`mi i postoratsya byt` iskrennim . Obesh`av chto on ostaviT` post cheloveku kotorogo narod viberet sam...Bylo by esh`e lutshche esli by on dopustil expertov...
Etim obazom on sohranit lico pered obshestvom i stabil`nost` po krayne mere...No emu eto ne pod silu.. Hish`niki ne lyubyat priznavat` porajeniay, a tem bolee izvinyatsya.....

Shagaya navstrechu pule , ne dob`emsya pobedy, tem bolee jizni...


always with the respect....

[hangug]

uqib chiqish kerey bu yozganlarizni..;)

[Alex]

А что, адмирал, не плохой парень. Он хотя бы в своих стрелять не будет. А так мозгов много не надо, чтобы до ЕГО уровня вырасти. За 15 лет ничего не изменилось в лучшую сторону. Да так управлять любой умеет. Ты прав. Чтобы управлять страной на благо, нужно уметь договариваться, идти на компромисс... И никогда не будет хорошим правителем тот, для кого важнее всего власть. Каримов на компромисс не идет, не хочет слушать оппозицию и держиться за власть.

[ttotemo]

vrode bi thread bil pro protest in Washington a tut Hadija poshla plyasat pro to kak nado upravlyat stranoy... Otkroy luchshe drugoy thread i obsujday etu temu, yesli ne hochesh protestovat, ne nado.. tolko ostalnim ne nado meshat..

deep respect to all Andjijani's

[Hadija]

vrode bi thread bil pro protest in Washington a tut Hadija poshla plyasat pro to kak nado upravlyat stranoy... Otkroy luchshe drugoy thread i obsujday etu temu, yesli ne hochesh protestovat, ne nado.. tolko ostalnim ne nado meshat..

deep respect to all Andjijani's
off:
Hop ,akalar..:) biz notog`ri ish qilibmiz, uzr...
Faqat asabingizni asrang , hali kerak bo`ladi..;)

[Gulya66]

thanks for za stol` long post. interesting it was to read your thoughts.

Skaju esh`e raz: Ya protiv prolitiya lishney kapli krovi nevinnogo naroda, a my seychas uslojnyaem , Karimov so svoey ambiciey dokazat` svoyu nevinnost` i chto za etim stoit terror gotov na vse. i v tom ili inom sluchae krovi budet bol`she. Lutshche ne vozbujdat` drakona lishne raz. Esli by byl lider kotoriy smojet ego pobedit` ili postavit` ego na mesto, to ya molchu.
Narod doljen snachala naiti ego , a potom uj` buntovat`. a vcherashnyaya istoriya eto byla podstroena. Eto byl signal Karimovu ot "kogo" to. V kotoroy stavkoy sygral nevinniy narod. a Karimov otvetil etomu signalu. U nego ne bylo vybora. Da on i seychas v rasteryannosty ,sam ne ponimaet chto on govorit, tipo krisha edet. POmomo etogo u nego "sovetnikov sjigateley" dostatochno, kotorie v svoyu pol`zu gnut palku( naschet ejemeseyachnyh ob`"pojdenii " zakonov).Ya ne opravdivayu ego. net ni maleyshego jelaniya , tak je bol`no za detey , materey i be vesty propavshih, za nevinnuh zaklyuchennih .. i za sobstvennogo otsa takje kogda -to... ya chitala , videla i do sih por chitayu.. analiziruyu.. POetomu izlojila svoi mneniya...Moy brat nahodilsya v tot den` imenno v centre , no po Bog spas ego,i on vernulsya v Tashkent.
Nado smotert` ob`ektivno . Karimov byl horoshim politikom, no on eto ischerpal svoimi ambiciyami .( Esh`e nado uchest` to chto docherya zaverbovany mafiey, tiliq qisqa kimlarnidir oldida)Skazala 12 let , potomu chto v nachele do 93-94x vse bylo gladko. My lyubili , pochitali , uvajali ego. On bil idelaom, i liderom dlya nas.
No kak vremena , tak i trebovanie menyayutsya...Ego oshubka , to chto on ne podpustil k vlasti oppoziciyu, sozdal monapoliyu v pravitel`stve i v parlamente.Tak esli nam bylo ploho 15 let , zachem vy togda golosovali za nego vse gody??? Ved` my sami golosovali.. sami izbrali , sami prodlili emu srok... tak v chem vopros? budem ter`pet`, radi detey, radi materey, radi otcov... dva goda eto ne bol`shoy srok. Pered terpeniem 15 let , kak vy govorite eto ne tak uj mnogo....V dannoy sluchae nel`zya dopuskat` bezvlastie i predprenimat` kakie libo myateji...Da u Karomova est` odin razumniy vihod, hotya ya somnevayus` v etom. Bylo by razumno s ego storony esli on izvenitsya pered narodom , pered svoimi det`mi i postoratsya byt` iskrennim . Obesh`av chto on ostaviT` post cheloveku kotorogo narod viberet sam...Bylo by esh`e lutshche esli by on dopustil expertov...
Etim obazom on sohranit lico pered obshestvom i stabil`nost` po krayne mere...No emu eto ne pod silu.. Hish`niki ne lyubyat priznavat` porajeniay, a tem bolee izvinyatsya.....

Shagaya navstrechu pule , ne dob`emsya pobedy, tem bolee jizni...


always with the respect....

I object only to one statement: that Uzbeks voted for him. I never voted for him, and I'm sure there were majority who voted against him. However, as the election systems are screwed up in our country, there's no way to change somebody by simply voting...I agree that no innocent peoplee should be killed our suffer, but at the same time thousands of our fine young, intellectual men are dying in prisons because of torture. I'm sure either you don't know about this or you're ignoring this.

Anyways, this is politics, and politics can be changes either in a civilized or non-civilized way. Our nation has tried to change it in a civilized way which didn't lead to anything but to repressions and killings. So, there's only one alternative: to fight for it in an uncivilized way. And of course there's no measure how big and deep this can get. I agree that without the goverrnment 'head' there's a tendency to have a chaos... And i think that the first things which may happen is that Uzbekistan will divide itself into khans and amir counties just like in the past... And of course, I'm not sure how strong those separate 'governments' will survive. May be over time they'll come together since we're much, much advanced in many ways than in the previous centuries.

My final point is that just 'dreaming and waiting and hoping' for a better future will not do. Every signle citizen should struggle for it... US has not become such a great country without lots of bloodshed. There were lots of lives given up, but over time US has become the nation it is now... So, the change is inevitable, but growth is optional...

[MegaZ]

My lyubili , pochitali , uvajali ego. On bil idelaom, i liderom dlya nas. No kak vremena , tak i trebovanie menyayutsya...Ego oshubka , to chto on ne podpustil k vlasti oppoziciyu, sozdal monapoliyu v pravitel`stve i v parlamente.Tak esli nam bylo ploho 15 let , zachem vy togda golosovali za nego vse gody??? Ved` my sami golosovali.. sami izbrali , sami prodlili emu srok... tak v chem vopros?
Любили, почитали? Может не будем обобщать а? Мне 26 лет и я ни разу не голосовал в Узбекистане, так как не вижу в этом никакого смысла. Так что не надо говорить что мы сами голосовали и выбирали, тем более "продливали ему срок". Всем отлично известно кто у нас голосует и продливает сроки.

И вообще, тема названа "Calling for a protest in the USA" а не "Обсуждение ИА Каримова". Так что попрошу Вас не оффтопить.

[Gulya66]

Assalomu aleykum.

To all in US reading this: today's protest in Washington unfortunately, as most of you saw, gathered very few people (i'm incredibly grateful to those who organized and showed up, it is certainly better than nothing). This obviously happened because most of us were misinformed. I personally found out about it from a friend (from Kazakhstan) who was traveling to D.C. and just happened to be in the area; he join the protestors only towards the end. What a shame! I feel terrible I was not there to support the protestors against the IshAK's regime and in remembrance of all who died in Andijon.

To all in U.K. thank you very much for the protest held already and all the best with the one coming up tomorrow !

Having said this, I encourage all of you guys/girls in the states to show our solidarity and to organize another significantly bigger non-violent demonstration. Don't know the exact numbers but it's definately a lot more of us from Uzbekistan here in US than in UK (and that's just Uzbekistanis, there are so many people from different countries who support us and are willing to take part in the protest). I know we're all busy and there's traveling expenses for some, but c'mon we can arrange some day(s) off work and school, and make up for the money spent later. In fact, these reasons should not be of any concern at this point.
Guys, we can do this. We actually owe it to ourselves! It is the least we can do !!!

The fact that it's been almost a week since the deadly events and our government still did not announce the mourning day no matter what the count of dead people is, pisses me off, and doesn't seem like Motam Kuni is gonna be announced anytime soon. When, not if, we gather - we'll have the chance to publicly keep a moment of silence for all those innocent men, women, and children who died.
All comments related to this subject are wellcome. Please take time to consider all the options and leave your suggenstions here. The sooner we do it, the better !!!
Sincerely,
ff

Dear Farafira, I think your initiative is great. I agree that from abroad Uzbeks could help people somewhat in Uzbekistan. But I'm not thinking about protests as I don't have time (really). I thought that maybe we should help already existing parties (for example Free Peasants Party) in their efforts. What do you think?

[Focus]

Любили, почитали? Может не будем обобщать а? Мне 26 лет и я ни разу не голосовал в Узбекистане, так как не вижу в этом никакого смысла. Так что не надо говорить что мы сами голосовали и выбирали, тем более "продливали ему срок". Всем отлично известно кто у нас голосует и продливает сроки.

И вообще, тема названа "Calling for a protest in the USA" а не "Обсуждение ИА Каримова". Так что попрошу Вас не оффтопить.

Good call Megaz!

Hadija, go back to elementary school to learn ABC!

[Lolika]

Kim u "Birlik"? Yoki nima u?

Nima qilib beradi? Ozgaradimi? Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?
Nikto nam ne pomojet krome nas samih.Ni US i ni Evropa, daje ne Rossiya. Vse verbuyut informaciyu v svoyu pol`zu.

Nado na vremya smiritsya i jdat` 2007 goda. Vse ravno on uje prigovoril sebya k otstavke. Radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet`.vse.12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem.


Ne isklyuchayu , chto trudno narodu. No eto uje sleduyush`aya istoriya. samoe obidnoe narod byl orujiem na rukah organizatorov tragedii.
Da Karimov plohoy, ego nado ubrat` , no naidite cheloveka snchala. Upasi Bog , chto budet` esli vlast` ostanetsya bez pravitelya... Nachnetsya HAOS!
Etogo i hoteli..


Hochish yesho 2 goda podajdat??????? poka Karimov polnostyu sojryot narod? Ili yego 2 dochenki nakopit boshe denejek dlya dolneyshey jizni kogda ih otec spokoyno uydyot v otstavku bez nokazaniya? i togda vsyo budet horosho oni budut jit chastliva i bogato gde to v evrope tak? Otkroy glaza. Narodu toshno ot nego, on ne uydyot v otstavku, on prosta budet sidet senatorom i budet pisat svoi idiotskie zakoni a prezident budet yego souchastnikom u budet vsyo vipolnyat, vot kakuyu otsavku on imel vidu. Tebe vopros: Ti bi smerilas bi yesli ne day dog posadili toyego otca bez vsyakih obvineniy i yesli bi prislali bi telo tvoyego otca ili blizkogo tebe cheloveka mertvim, pritom ne prosto telo a schitoye telo????????????? Vot togda poymosh pochemu narod voy dod soladi a tak tebe etogo viju ne ponyat!!! Pered tem kak govorit smiritsya, nado smiritsya yeshe desyatkami tisyachi jertavami ok? Podumay horosho pered tem kak chto nibud pisat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[farafira]

Dear Farafira, I think your initiative is great. I agree that from abroad Uzbeks could help people somewhat in Uzbekistan. But I'm not thinking about protests as I don't have time (really). I thought that maybe we should help already existing parties (for example Free Peasants Party) in their efforts. What do you think?

Salom Gulya66. So far you're the only person who actually responded to the call, so thank you. I have a question for you, since as you say you don't have time to actually protest, how exactly do you think helping out the parties (e.g FPP) will work ?
Then again, because all of us are busy, almost everybody will play the excuse of not being able to participate in the demonstration. I'm real busy too, in fact for me and my friends coming out to D.C. will be a pretty long trip. But Gulya, don't you think that if planned well ahead each one of us can make arrangements regarding our busy schedules?

[QUOTE=ttotemo] "vrode bi thread bil pro protest in Washington a tut Hadija poshla plyasat pro to kak nado upravlyat stranoy... Otkroy luchshe drugoy thread i obsujday etu temu, yesli ne hochesh protestovat, ne nado.. tolko ostalnim ne nado meshat.. "
Horosho skazano. Ya iznachal'no poprosila vseh ostavlyat' commenti po teme.
So ttotemo, mojno li polagat'sa na vashu podderjku?

Hadija, neveroyatno. I wanna say you haven't been to Uzbekistan in long while? Tak? Tak kak takoy comment o viborah mog sdelat' chelovek kotoriy absolutno ne voloket v tom chto proishodit vokrug ili je tot kto smutno znaet chto to o viborah v Uzbekistane i tol'ko po naslishke.

[Gulya66]

[QUOTE=Gulya66]Dear Farafira, I think your initiative is great. I agree that from abroad Uzbeks could help people somewhat in Uzbekistan. But I'm not thinking about protests as I don't have time (really). I thought that maybe we should help already existing parties (for example Free Peasants Party) in their efforts. What do you think?

Salom Gulya66. So far you're the only person who actually responded to the call, so thank you. I have a question for you, since as you say you don't have time to actually protest, how exactly do you think helping out the parties (e.g FPP) will work ?
Then again, because all of us are busy, almost everybody will play the excuse of not being able to participate in the demonstration. I'm real busy too, in fact for me and my friends coming out to D.C. will be a pretty long trip. But Gulya, don't you think that if planned well ahead each one of us can make arrangements regarding our busy schedules?

"vrode bi thread bil pro protest in Washington a tut Hadija poshla plyasat pro to kak nado upravlyat stranoy... Otkroy luchshe drugoy thread i obsujday etu temu, yesli ne hochesh protestovat, ne nado.. tolko ostalnim ne nado meshat.. "
Horosho skazano. Ya iznachal'no poprosila vseh ostavlyat' commenti po teme.
So ttotemo, mojno li polagat'sa na vashu podderjku?

Hadija, neveroyatno. I wanna say you haven't been to Uzbekistan in long while? Tak? Tak kak takoy comment o viborah mog sdelat' chelovek kotoriy absolutno ne voloket v tom chto proishodit vokrug ili je tot kto smutno znaet chto to o viborah v Uzbekistane i tol'ko po naslishke.

Farafira, salom yana! Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

I agree that any action should start with small steps (I guess you meant that on a larger scale) and demonstration or protest is the least we could do. I don't have any objections but I have personal reservations. I work for the office which states clearly that its staff should never participate in any demonstrations or public protests... I don't want to risk what I have already. So, maybe we'll try to approach this issue in other intellectual ways? If you agree, I suggest to switch to emails... Please let me know... Oldindan rahmat....

[music fanatic]

I would love to march on behalf of the Uzbek people. I think that I can do better, though.

The problem with marching in the US is largely that it brings back images of the anti-war movement during the late 60s and early 70s. This is a movement which mobilized a group of ignorant, young people to spit on our troops. This is not the image which will help.

A better angle is to educate, patiently, the US people. It's not that we don't care, it's that we don't understand. Don't talk to the loudest of us, talk to the most quiet. Be internet activists, but use tact.

Go into forums which have nothing to do with politics: whatever your other interests are. Find forums in which have a "chat", "other", or "general discussion" forum where you can talk about hip hop, carpentry, farming... whatever you know about so that you can come to an understanding about something.

Bombarding us with propaganda on these forums does not work. Propagandists, on anything other than a political forum, are easy to spot and easily ignored. When people post other peoples' arguments, most of us don't bother to read it.

We want to read your own oppinions and why you have them. We want honesty, but you have to earn our trust.

Also, learn about the US government. Rather than saying that Bush did this or that, educate us on the policies of the State Department and the Department of Defense are doing with regards to Uzbekistan. We are a dangerously ignorant people. We need your help.

In addition to being dangerously ignorant, our federal government is too powerful in too many parts of the world for us to comprehend: let alone control. We can't possibly follow all of the intrigues in which our government is involved. We need input from honest people we can trust or we will continue to rely on lies.

The only blood I share with you people is very distant. I'm broadly Celtic and Native American. I have the mind of a mathematician and the heart of a musician. I am not your target audience.

Your target audience is quiet, passionate, and frustrated with everyone telling them the same things. It's always Iraq this and Iraq that: Bush this and Bush that. It's a nightmare of bitching which steers us away from the discussion.

Give the people something new. Give them first-hand accounts whenever possible. "In my neighborhood" is probably the best way to get our attention.

Convince us that you're not just another socialist from Sweden. Convince us that we should pay more attention to the relations between the UZ and US governments than we should on abortion.

Convince us that the REAL war on international Islamic terrorist networks is taking place in Central Asia. Convince us to look beyond Iraq. Convince us to contemplate context. Help us understand.

Treat us like 12-14 year old kids with a full head of steam. We're so sure we're right, but we're not sure about what. Help us learn where we are right and where we are wrong. Help us help you help us help you....

We really do care; we just don't understand.

[music fanatic]

PS - I can't read Russian nor Uzbek: let alone that mess of a mixture some of you use. If you want me to respond to your post, please use English. :D

[music fanatic]

Well, ok. If you think that I'm just another jackass from the US, I understand. If you think that I don't really care about the Uzbeks or any of their neighbors, I understand. If you don't know what to think about this jackass who came out of nowhere with pages of suggestions, I understand.

The people of Uzbekistan and I have a common problem: the United States citizens.

You don't know me and I understand if you don't trust me. But please read what I've written above and comment on it. What people abroad don't understand is how regionalized our country is. It doesn't matter what you do in Boston because everyone from Georgia to Oregon will consider it elitist bullshit.

I have the heart of a musician. I love those goat-skinned lutes. I have the mind of a mathematician, though.

Remind the US people of what you can do for us. This can be win-win. We want those airports, you want that "Bill of Rights." Remind us of that. Remind us that it's not Democracy that you want; it's the "Bill of Rights".

Actually, I'm drunk and on a roll, but that's a great idea. We, honestly, above all else, worship the Bill of Rights. I can't even bring myself to not capitalize the B and R.

Seriously: the Bill of Rights. That's the compromise which made our republic work. That's our lack of trust in our government (whatever fancy talk they may try). That is our lack of trust in the power of one person over another. That's what we meant all along.

That whole Cold War thing dominated by propaganda. We were fighting for the same thing. I know that it will be difficult, but try to make us understand that.

We should come together in a common cause which we always had: anti-tyrany. We said that was you, you said that was us; it was everyone between.

I'm calling for an alliance. You and me; what can we do?

[ARUNOS]

Kim u "Birlik"? Yoki nima u?

Nima qilib beradi? Ozgaradimi? Nime hamma dodvoy soladi a?
Nikto nam ne pomojet krome nas samih.Ni US i ni Evropa, daje ne Rossiya. Vse verbuyut informaciyu v svoyu pol`zu.

Nado na vremya smiritsya i jdat` 2007 goda. Vse ravno on uje prigovoril sebya k otstavke. Radi nepovtoreniya andijana nado terpet`.vse.12 let ne umerili i ostal`nie 2 goda projivem.

i Voobshe nado obektivno smotret` i imet` v vidu chto by tam ne bylo,etot
idiot ne hotel chto by sobitiya vzyali takoy oborot. za nim ne ostavili vyhoda. K sojeleniyu ne narod. narod tut ne prichem , ona byla i ostalas` proigrannoy peshkoy v rukah teh kto eto zateyal. eto daje ne islamisti-fundamentalisty, daje ne akramisty.vse bylo predusmoptreno. Byla cel`:sverjenie pravitel`stva, esli ne udastsya , to dobitsya k etomu cherez mirovoe soobshestvo.komu to nujna vlast`.No komu?

Ne isklyuchayu , chto trudno narodu. No eto uje sleduyush`aya istoriya. samoe obidnoe narod byl orujiem na rukah organizatorov tragedii.
Da Karimov plohoy, ego nado ubrat` , no naidite cheloveka snchala. Upasi Bog , chto budet` esli vlast` ostanetsya bez pravitelya... Nachnetsya HAOS!
Etogo i hoteli..



Hadija sen damini ol! bomasa anjanlilar seni anjancha qib ketadi! Peace!

[ARUNOS]

thanks for za stol` long post. interesting it was to read your thoughts.

Skaju esh`e raz: Ya protiv prolitiya lishney kapli krovi nevinnogo naroda, a my seychas uslojnyaem , Karimov so svoey ambiciey dokazat` svoyu nevinnost` i chto za etim stoit terror gotov na vse. i v tom ili inom sluchae krovi budet bol`she. Lutshche ne vozbujdat` drakona lishne raz. Esli by byl lider kotoriy smojet ego pobedit` ili postavit` ego na mesto, to ya molchu.
Narod doljen snachala naiti ego , a potom uj` buntovat`. a vcherashnyaya istoriya eto byla podstroena. Eto byl signal Karimovu ot "kogo" to. V kotoroy stavkoy sygral nevinniy narod. a Karimov otvetil etomu signalu. U nego ne bylo vybora. Da on i seychas v rasteryannosty ,sam ne ponimaet chto on govorit, tipo krisha edet. POmomo etogo u nego "sovetnikov sjigateley" dostatochno, kotorie v svoyu pol`zu gnut palku( naschet ejemeseyachnyh ob`"pojdenii " zakonov).Ya ne opravdivayu ego. net ni maleyshego jelaniya , tak je bol`no za detey , materey i be vesty propavshih, za nevinnuh zaklyuchennih .. i za sobstvennogo otsa takje kogda -to... ya chitala , videla i do sih por chitayu.. analiziruyu.. POetomu izlojila svoi mneniya...Moy brat nahodilsya v tot den` imenno v centre , no po Bog spas ego,i on vernulsya v Tashkent.
Nado smotert` ob`ektivno . Karimov byl horoshim politikom, no on eto ischerpal svoimi ambiciyami .( Esh`e nado uchest` to chto docherya zaverbovany mafiey, tiliq qisqa kimlarnidir oldida)Skazala 12 let , potomu chto v nachele do 93-94x vse bylo gladko. My lyubili , pochitali , uvajali ego. On bil idelaom, i liderom dlya nas.
No kak vremena , tak i trebovanie menyayutsya...Ego oshubka , to chto on ne podpustil k vlasti oppoziciyu, sozdal monapoliyu v pravitel`stve i v parlamente.Tak esli nam bylo ploho 15 let , zachem vy togda golosovali za nego vse gody??? Ved` my sami golosovali.. sami izbrali , sami prodlili emu srok... tak v chem vopros? budem ter`pet`, radi detey, radi materey, radi otcov... dva goda eto ne bol`shoy srok. Pered terpeniem 15 let , kak vy govorite eto ne tak uj mnogo....V dannoy sluchae nel`zya dopuskat` bezvlastie i predprenimat` kakie libo myateji...Da u Karomova est` odin razumniy vihod, hotya ya somnevayus` v etom. Bylo by razumno s ego storony esli on izvenitsya pered narodom , pered svoimi det`mi i postoratsya byt` iskrennim . Obesh`av chto on ostaviT` post cheloveku kotorogo narod viberet sam...Bylo by esh`e lutshche esli by on dopustil expertov...
Etim obazom on sohranit lico pered obshestvom i stabil`nost` po krayne mere...No emu eto ne pod silu.. Hish`niki ne lyubyat priznavat` porajeniay, a tem bolee izvinyatsya.....

Shagaya navstrechu pule , ne dob`emsya pobedy, tem bolee jizni...


always with the respect....

Yana damini ol!

[farafira]

Farafira, salom yana! Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

I agree that any action should start with small steps (I guess you meant that on a larger scale) and demonstration or protest is the least we could do. I don't have any objections but I have personal reservations. I work for the office which states clearly that its staff should never participate in any demonstrations or public protests... I don't want to risk what I have already. So, maybe we'll try to approach this issue in other intellectual ways? If you agree, I suggest to switch to emails... Please let me know... Oldindan rahmat....[/QUOTE]

Gulya66, yahshimisiz? Postizga vaqtida javob bermaganim uchun uzr.
Plz check your PM.
Thank you.

[Tadji4ka]

Rebyata, nu zachem vi opolchilis protiv Hadiji?

Ved v ee slovah est dolya pravdi. Mi absolyutno ne znaem, kto pridet k vlasti posle Karimova. I net togo lidera, za kem bi poshel narod. Cvetnoy revolyucii u nas ne poluchitsya kak na Ukraine, Gruzii i v Kirgistane. Tam bila oppoziciya, a u nas??? Prosto ustavshiy ot vsego narod podnyal bunt, vosstanie. I kto postradal v rezultate? Opyat je sam narod...

Ya ne opravdivayu Karimova, vidit Bog, eto bil samiy ujasniy postupok - stolko jertv, no u nego ne bilo vibora. Emu daje ne s kem bilo vesti peregovori, s kem, tam bil lider?
A eti lyudi zaxvatili hokomiyat, a dalshe? u nih daje ne bilo opredelennoy strategii, vse delalos po puti...i potom ne zabivayte, chto s nevinnimi zaklyuchennimi, oni takje vipustili i prestupnikov. Za eti dni v Andijane rezko vozroslo moroderstvo...eto fakt...
Vidimo tak doljno bilo sluchitsya.....i eto grustno.

A v odnom Hadija ti ne prava:
____________
Tak esli nam bylo ploho 15 let , zachem vy togda golosovali za nego vse gody??? Ved` my sami golosovali.. sami izbrali , sami prodlili emu srok...
____________
Eto uje ego mahinacii, sverhu davalas ustanovka na izbiratelnie uchastki: sobrat stolko to golosov...i poprbuy ne oberi ih, poletish s raboti, s mesta...vot i sobirali oni sami nochami listovki podpisivali....eto i na viborah bilo i vo vremya referenduma...

YA vse eshe v nadejde, chto moya Rodina procvetet i ya budu jit na svoey rodnoy zemle, a poka ya daleko :(

S uvajeniem...

[farafira]

Zdrastvuyte Tadji4ka. Dobro pojalovat' !
Soglasna s vami chastichno. NO kakie eshe peregovori? Vi chto shutite?

Ne budu otvechat' za drugih, lichno ya prokomentirovala posti Hadiji s kritikoy tak kak ne odno eyo vizskazivanie ne vyazalos' s drugim. Odni protivorechiya i nikakogo zdravogo smisla. Protivnee vsego kogda nedodumannie viskazivanie tipa "nime dod-voy sovosila" sovsem ne umestni i jestoki po otnosheniu ko vsem nevinno pogibshim.

P.S. Vi ne odna kto nadeetsa chto budushee Uzbekistana vse taki kogda to budet svetlim...

[El Mariacho]

Rebyata, nu zachem vi opolchilis protiv Hadiji?

Ved v ee slovah est dolya pravdi. Mi absolyutno ne znaem, kto pridet k vlasti posle Karimova. I net togo lidera, za kem bi poshel narod. Cvetnoy revolyucii u nas ne poluchitsya kak na Ukraine, Gruzii i v Kirgistane. Tam bila oppoziciya, a u nas??? Prosto ustavshiy ot vsego narod podnyal bunt, vosstanie. I kto postradal v rezultate? Opyat je sam narod...

Ya ne opravdivayu Karimova, vidit Bog, eto bil samiy ujasniy postupok - stolko jertv, no u nego ne bilo vibora. Emu daje ne s kem bilo vesti peregovori, s kem, tam bil lider?
A eti lyudi zaxvatili hokomiyat, a dalshe? u nih daje ne bilo opredelennoy strategii, vse delalos po puti...i potom ne zabivayte, chto s nevinnimi zaklyuchennimi, oni takje vipustili i prestupnikov. Za eti dni v Andijane rezko vozroslo moroderstvo...eto fakt...
Vidimo tak doljno bilo sluchitsya.....i eto grustno.

A v odnom Hadija ti ne prava:
____________
Tak esli nam bylo ploho 15 let , zachem vy togda golosovali za nego vse gody??? Ved` my sami golosovali.. sami izbrali , sami prodlili emu srok...
____________
Eto uje ego mahinacii, sverhu davalas ustanovka na izbiratelnie uchastki: sobrat stolko to golosov...i poprbuy ne oberi ih, poletish s raboti, s mesta...vot i sobirali oni sami nochami listovki podpisivali....eto i na viborah bilo i vo vremya referenduma...

YA vse eshe v nadejde, chto moya Rodina procvetet i ya budu jit na svoey rodnoy zemle, a poka ya daleko :(

S uvajeniem...

Dobro pojalovat`

[Tadji4ka]

Спасибо,
Забавная линейка :lol:


Dobro pojalovat`

[Tadji4ka]

Здравствуйте, спасибо за прием :)

[QUOTE=farafira]Zdrastvuyte Tadji4ka. Dobro pojalovat' !
Soglasna s vami chastichno. NO kakie eshe peregovori? Vi chto shutite?

Имелось в виду решение проблемы мирным путем, а не резней и бойней, опять же пример, Киргистан, Украина...
но у нас это не получится, он не уйдет с поста мирно, не хочет признать свою ошибку и неправоту у нео уже старческий маразм и обожествление себя любимого...

[Alchemist]

Bl*a Hadija mne Bill O'Rielly napominaet, hater, zaydet shto to spizn*t i uydet. Blin glaza protri tebya pochti vse uzhe nenavidyat v forume. Mesto togo shtob varchat lutshe bi delom zanilas. A toshto u vas vseh vremya netu ya ponimayu. No ya tozhe uchus v US da ya zhivu v washingtone i mne legche, i ya hodil na protest. Znaete kak bilo ne priyatno kogda ya uvidel tam 8-10 uzebkov dazhe pomoimu polovinu iz nih bile kazahi. A nedavno ya videl protest u posolstva Siera Leona tak tam bilo chelovek 40-50 esli ne bolshe, hotya shto u nih tam proizoshlo?? okastca prosto priezhal ihniy president i iza etogo oni ustroile takoy ogromniy protest. U nas zhe bil rastrel nevinih ludey ya nadeilsya uvidet bolshe ludey. Ya nichego ne imeyu protiv ludey kotorie zhivut out of DC area, no ya bil pomoemu edinstveniy uzbek iz DC kotoriy bil na proteste, ya dumayu shto v DC nemalo uzbekov kotorie hotya bi mogli bi dat svoyu dan uvazheniya ludyam andijana.Ya lichno ne mechtayu zhit v US vsu zhizn. Ya hochu zhit na svoey rodine, i nadeyus shto mi vse popitaesmya hot shto to zdelat shtobi na nashey rodine bilo vozmozhnost hot kakto zhit, shto ya ne mogu skazat shas.

P.S. O da hadija ya za IAK ne golosoval, ne govori za vseh, ti naverno edinstvenaya kto za nego golosoval.

[farafira]

Alchemist,
ya otkrila etot thread chto bi prizvat' nashih je lyudey, kotorie po idee doljni bili bit' chrezvichayno obespokoeni tem chto proizoshlo v Andijane, soobshya sdelat' takuyu malost' kak sobrat'sa vmeste i kak ti virazilsya, dat' dan' uvajeniya vsem pogibshim.
I chto? Segodnya rovno mesyats Andijanskoy tragedii.Posmotri skol'ko ludey chitali etot thread i posmotri skol'ko iz nih podelilis' svoim mneniem (eto eshe te kto po teme)! Etot priziv bil otkrit dlya vseobshey diskussii, mne ochen' hotelos' uznat' u kogo kakie idei i predlojeniya po etomu povodu. Vot i viyasnila chto rasschitivat' mojno tol'ko na paru-troyku ludey kotorie soglasni predprinyat' kakie-libo deystviya ... Etogo, k sojaleniu ne dostatochno.
A tebe spasibo bol'shoe za to chto prisutstvoval na demonstratsii v DC !!!

p.s. disappointed and discouraged

[farafira]

Zdrastvuyte Tadji4ka. Dobro pojalovat' !
Soglasna s vami chastichno. NO kakie eshe peregovori? Vi chto shutite?

[/QUOTE=Tadji4ka]Имелось в виду решение проблемы мирным путем, а не резней и бойней, опять же пример, Киргистан, Украина...
но у нас это не получится, он не уйдет с поста мирно, не хочет признать свою ошибку и неправоту у нео уже старческий маразм и обожествление себя любимого...
Ponyatnoe delo, ya eto s ironiey sprosila "kakie eshe peregovori? Vi chto shutite?"

[MegaZ]

farafira: как я тебе и говорил по телефону...

[Alchemist]

Slushay mne vse ravno dlya chego ti otkrila svoy thread, ya cho hochu to i govoru, ya lichno virazilsya tem shto bil nedovolen kak malo ludey priehalo v uzbekskoe posolstvo v DC. U kogo kakie idei??? i chem eti idei pomogut, ti zdelaesh zhizn lutshe v uzbekistane etimi ideyami??? come on be more serious. Disappointed and discouraged??? wha??? i ne nado menya blagodarid za toshto ya bil na proteste ya eto ne dlya tebya delal.

Alchemist,
ya otkrila etot thread chto bi prizvat' nashih je lyudey, kotorie po idee doljni bili bit' chrezvichayno obespokoeni tem chto proizoshlo v Andijane, soobshya sdelat' takuyu malost' kak sobrat'sa vmeste i kak ti virazilsya, dat' dan' uvajeniya vsem pogibshim.
I chto? Segodnya rovno mesyats Andijanskoy tragedii.Posmotri skol'ko ludey chitali etot thread i posmotri skol'ko iz nih podelilis' svoim mneniem (eto eshe te kto po teme)! Etot priziv bil otkrit dlya vseobshey diskussii, mne ochen' hotelos' uznat' u kogo kakie idei i predlojeniya po etomu povodu. Vot i viyasnila chto rasschitivat' mojno tol'ko na paru-troyku ludey kotorie soglasni predprinyat' kakie-libo deystviya ... Etogo, k sojaleniu ne dostatochno.
A tebe spasibo bol'shoe za to chto prisutstvoval na demonstratsii v DC !!!

p.s. disappointed and discouraged

[SmIlIk]

Alchemist,
ya otkrila etot thread chto bi prizvat' nashih je lyudey, kotorie po idee doljni bili bit' chrezvichayno obespokoeni tem chto proizoshlo v Andijane, soobshya sdelat' takuyu malost' kak sobrat'sa vmeste i kak ti virazilsya, dat' dan' uvajeniya vsem pogibshim.
I chto? Segodnya rovno mesyats Andijanskoy tragedii.Posmotri skol'ko ludey chitali etot thread i posmotri skol'ko iz nih podelilis' svoim mneniem (eto eshe te kto po teme)! Etot priziv bil otkrit dlya vseobshey diskussii, mne ochen' hotelos' uznat' u kogo kakie idei i predlojeniya po etomu povodu. Vot i viyasnila chto rasschitivat' mojno tol'ko na paru-troyku ludey kotorie soglasni predprinyat' kakie-libo deystviya ... Etogo, k sojaleniu ne dostatochno.
A tebe spasibo bol'shoe za to chto prisutstvoval na demonstratsii v DC !!!

p.s. disappointed and discouraged

You give up early...bizani ko'chadayam bayram bo'ladi hali!

[farafira]

Megaz, chto i govorit', ti bil prav.

Alchemist,
<Slushay mne vse ravno dlya chego ti otkrila svoy thread, ya cho hochu to i govoru, ya lichno virazilsya tem shto bil nedovolen kak malo ludey priehalo v uzbekskoe posolstvo v DC.> - ne znau kak ti chital moy post, no ponyal ti ego yavno ne pravil'no. Nikto tebe ne zapreshal govorit' chto libo.

<U kogo kakie idei??? i chem eti idei pomogut, ti zdelaesh zhizn lutshe v uzbekistane etimi ideyami???> - idei i predlojeniya kak ya uje skazala, kasalis' vseobshego organizovaniya protesta v DC. Ti je sam jalovalsa chto smehotvornoe kolichestvo uzbekov prishli "dat' dan' uvajeniya" pogibshim. Vot imenno poetomu i ojidalis' idei i jelaniya posetiteley foruma v tselyah provedeniya normal'noy, stoyashey etogo, demonstratsii.
A jizn' v Uzbekistane na vryad li stanet luchshe ot etih idey. Prochti tsel' posta eshe raz, oni ne bili napravleni na uluchshenie jizni Uzbekistana.

<Disappointed and discouraged???> - ne o tebe skazano bilo, ne bespokoysa.

<i ne nado menya blagodarid za toshto ya bil na proteste ya eto ne dlya tebya delal.> - protest tot ne imel nikakogo otnosheniya ko mne lichno, tak chto, samo soboy ne dlya menya ti tuda hodil!
Nu a raz poblagodarila, znachit poschitala nujnim. Tvoyo delo prinimat' blagodarnost' ili net.

[farafira]

You give up early...bizani ko'chadayam bayram bo'ladi hali!

Smilik, being discouraged doesn't mean giving up. Ko'chamizda bayram bo'lishi uchun esa u bu tayyorgarchiliklar ko'rmoq lozim, shunaqamasmi?

[Alchemist]

Look im not trying to offense u or smth, but the thread said "To all in US reading this: today's protest in Washington" thats y i said it was a little sad that nobody came, i ne nado hamit, when u talk to somebody u dont know u should show him a little respect, a dont tell me what u opened up ur thread for.



Megaz, chto i govorit', ti bil prav.

Alchemist,
<Slushay mne vse ravno dlya chego ti otkrila svoy thread, ya cho hochu to i govoru, ya lichno virazilsya tem shto bil nedovolen kak malo ludey priehalo v uzbekskoe posolstvo v DC.> - ne znau kak ti chital moy post, no ponyal ti ego yavno ne pravil'no. Nikto tebe ne zapreshal govorit' chto libo.

<U kogo kakie idei??? i chem eti idei pomogut, ti zdelaesh zhizn lutshe v uzbekistane etimi ideyami???> - idei i predlojeniya kak ya uje skazala, kasalis' vseobshego organizovaniya protesta v DC. Ti je sam jalovalsa chto smehotvornoe kolichestvo uzbekov prishli "dat' dan' uvajeniya" pogibshim. Vot imenno poetomu i ojidalis' idei i jelaniya posetiteley foruma v tselyah provedeniya normal'noy, stoyashey etogo, demonstratsii.
A jizn' v Uzbekistane na vryad li stanet luchshe ot etih idey. Prochti tsel' posta eshe raz, oni ne bili napravleni na uluchshenie jizni Uzbekistana.

<Disappointed and discouraged???> - ne o tebe skazano bilo, ne bespokoysa.

<i ne nado menya blagodarid za toshto ya bil na proteste ya eto ne dlya tebya delal.> - protest tot ne imel nikakogo otnosheniya ko mne lichno, tak chto, samo soboy ne dlya menya ti tuda hodil!
Nu a raz poblagodarila, znachit poschitala nujnim. Tvoyo delo prinimat' blagodarnost' ili net.

[NBM]

Hello Everyone,

If you guys don't mind, I will write in English.
I am glad to hear the positive responses about the picket in front of the Uzbek Embassy in Washington, DC a month ago. I was an organizer of the picket. Unfortunately, I did not have enough time, and not much support during the planning of the picket. However, the turn out was better than I expected, and I am very thankful to those people who heard about it, showed up for the event, therefore showing their support. I am also glad to hear that there were people who did want to join, but were unaware of it. More information about the protest you can find out on Arena site.

Also, for the future activities, I will make sure to post press releases here on this forum. Again, thank you for starting this thread, and showing your support.

[SmIlIk]

Smilik, being discouraged doesn't mean giving up. Ko'chamizda bayram bo'lishi uchun esa u bu tayyorgarchiliklar ko'rmoq lozim, shunaqamasmi?

:) :cool: ;)

[Mogul]

Hello Everyone,

If you guys don't mind, I will write in English.
I am glad to hear the positive responses about the picket in front of the Uzbek Embassy in Washington, DC a month ago. I was an organizer of the picket. Unfortunately, I did not have enough time, and not much support during the planning of the picket. However, the turn out was better than I expected, and I am very thankful to those people who heard about it, showed up for the event, therefore showing their support. I am also glad to hear that there were people who did want to join, but were unaware of it. More information about the protest you can find out on Arena site.

Also, for the future activities, I will make sure to post press releases here on this forum. Again, thank you for starting this thread, and showing your support.
Hi. Indeed it was courageous act that you guys went and protested in front of Uzbek embassy. I would say the protest showed that government went too far in opressing its people. I know many people wanted to join you but there were some obstacles for us. Firstly we reside too far from DC area and it would be very costly to go there. Secondly unlike some of the participants of the protest many of us still citizens of Uzbekistan and have to go back where we could be persecuted. For example these two reasons didn't allow me to go to DC. And to be honest second one played bigger role in my decision. Nevertheless, we didn't stay aside and did what we could do at that moment. With some of our friends we called to senators and congressmen office urging them to take actions.

[NBM]

Hi. Indeed it was courageous act that you guys went and protested in front of Uzbek embassy. I would say the protest showed that government went too far in opressing its people. I know many people wanted to join you but there were some obstacles for us. Firstly we reside too far from DC area and it would be very costly to go there. Secondly unlike some of the participants of the protest many of us still citizens of Uzbekistan and have to go back where we could be persecuted. For example these two reasons didn't allow me to go to DC. And to be honest second one played bigger role in my decision. Nevertheless, we didn't stay aside and did what we could do at that moment. With some of our friends we called to senators and congressmen office urging them to take actions.

Totally understand! I know that many people who couldn't join due to being citizens of Uzbekistan and their families and loved ones could be persecuted. Thank you again for the support.

[farafira]

Hi NBM,
you must be the lady who gave an interview during that protest, right?
It's great that you initiated it! I only wish the announcement for the picket were publicized at least a little in advance.
<Also, for the future activities, I will make sure to post press releases here on this forum.> Good idea. That would be very helpful.

Mogul,
the reasons you provided, at first, concerned me also. However, the way I viewed it and been told was that as long as it is a peaceful demonstration with a big group of supporters, it is least likely that problems would occur when traveling to Uzbekistan ... then again, you never know what could happen once you're there.

P.S. NBM, so you are not a citizen of Uzbekistan?

[NBM]

Hey There,

Yes, I with other two people who supported me in this gave an interview. As I mentioned before, I literally had one day to prepare, and to be honest, I did try to get the information out to as many info outlets as possible, however, everything happening so quickly and trying to juggle it with a full-time job is not easy. I am not a citizen of Uzbekistan, the Uzbek government never issued me moi zakonnyi passport.


Hi NBM,
you must be the lady who gave an interview during that protest, right?
It's great that you initiated it! I only wish the announcement for the picket were publicized at least a little in advance.
<Also, for the future activities, I will make sure to post press releases here on this forum.> Good idea. That would be very helpful.

Mogul,
the reasons you provided, at first, concerned me also. However, the way I viewed it and been told was that as long as it is a peaceful demonstration with a big group of supporters, it is least likely that problems would occur when traveling to Uzbekistan ... then again, you never know what could happen once you're there.

P.S. NBM, so you are not a citizen of Uzbekistan?

[farafira]

NBM, i see. Tnx for the reply.