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musoFR

06-06-2005, 07:21 AM

mushketyor

06-06-2005, 08:50 AM

Royal

06-06-2005, 10:31 AM

Ko'pdan beri bitta savolga javob izlayman.

Quronda musulmon erkak kishi hristian yoki yahudiy ayolni hotinlikka olsa boladi deb yozilgan.

Lekin hadislarda yozilishi boyicha, musulmon ayol - musulmon bolmagan erkakga erga tegishi man etilgan (Yani u erkak hoh hristian bolsin, hoh yahudiy bolsin).

Nega birinchisiga mumkinu, ikkinchisiga mumkin emas. Shunga aniq javob topa olmayapman.

Islom Dinida oilada OTA birinchi orinda, ONA ikkinchida hisoblanadi va ulardan bolgan nasllar Musulmon hisoblanad, yani OTAni dini boyicha.

Mana bu javobnmi kordim:
Topic: Marrying Non Muslim

I am a 26 year old Muslim girl, who is in love with a 26 year old non-Muslim. He is caring, does not and never has drank alcohol, eaten pork, and is very respectful of the religion; although at this time does not feel compelled to convert. I want to marry him, please advice me! This is my second email, and is trying to reach out for the right thing to do. Thank you. Please email back

It is haram to mary him. Your definition of being good is someone who does not drink or eat pork. The issue is not a matter of drinking etc. The issue is a matter of believing in Allah and accepting Muhammad (pbuh) as a messenger. DON'T MARRY HIM EXCEPT HE ACCEPTS ISLAM. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR CHIOCE BETWEEN ALLAH AND HIM.
http://www.reliefonline.org/mfs/Marriage.htm

Mana bu yerdan ham ba'zi savollarga javob topish mumkindir:
Finding the Law: Islamic Law (Sharia)
http://www.llrx.com/features/islamiclaw.htm

Qogagani Ollohj yahshiroq biladi.

Animator

06-06-2005, 01:47 PM

Joha

06-06-2005, 05:11 PM

Assalamu Alaykum

Quran says one can marry a muslim lady or lady from the People of The Book.
According to Scholars of Islam nowadays Christians and Jews are no longer counted as People of The Book. And Allah swt knows the best.

forex

06-06-2005, 05:38 PM

Joha,
I thought muslim men couldn't marry only budhist,i didn't know they couldn't marry jews or christians,is there a reliable source of your words?

-Resident-

06-06-2005, 09:00 PM

Ko'pdan beri bitta savolga javob izlayman.

Quronda musulmon erkak kishi hristian yoki yahudiy ayolni hotinlikka olsa boladi deb yozilgan.

Yuqoridagi jumlani o`qib menda ham bir savol tug`ildi Musulmon erkak biron boshqa dindagi ayolga uylanishda u ayol keyinchalik Islom dinini qabul qilish sharti bilanmi yoki Islom dinini qabul qilgandan keyinmi yoki Islom diniga o`tishga rozilik berganidan keyinmi...
Oydinlik kiratsingizlar yahshi bo`lar edi!
Rahmat!

Joha

06-06-2005, 09:04 PM

Assalamu Alaykum

As you know that Muslim men are forbidden to marry a non-beleiver or disbeliever. So lets examine Christians and Jews beleive. Firstly, lets see what the Prophets of Allah: Moses and Jesus (pbut) has followed.

Imagine for a second if GOD would say to Budhists that they are OK, to Hindus they are OK, to Christians they are OK, to Jews they are OK etc ... Dont you think it is going to be deception by GOD to say to those all DIFFERENT beleives that they are OK? So let the story begin.

Moses has received a revelation, message from GOD and humbly accepted the will of GOD and submitted himself to the will of GOD. Do you agree?

Jesus has received a revelation, message from GOD and humbly accepted the will of GOD and sumbitted himself to the will of GOD. Do you agree?

So if a person SUMBITTS himself to the will of GOD he would be called ... ? Submitter

So than what would be the general name for the beleive or religion of a Submitter? Submission

According to us all the Prophets were Submitters and their Religion was Submission.

Now lets open Arabic dictionaries and check for the word SUBMISSION, yes I think you guessed it right: SUBMISSION = ISLAM.

Well than how about Submitter? Submitter = Muslim = Mu +Islam

So now we have agreed upon that all Prophets are MUSLIMS and their Religion is ISLAM.

Here comes the "funny part". If you ask a Christian wether they follow Jesus (pbuh) they will answer "YES"! But have you ever asked Christian a question: What was the RELIGION of Jesus (pbuh)? They say: hmm, mmm ... :) Obviously, Jesus was not and is not CHRISTIAN, as Christiantiy has been invented more than a century after the "death(1)" of Jesus (as).

Well according to our research above we can conclude that Christians are not PEOPLE OF THE BOOK or Christians are NOT followers of Jesus (as).

The case could be extended to Jews on the basis that "Torah" has been changed by introduction of new Laws written by Jewish religious clerics and of Jews not accepting the Prophet of Allah: Jesus (pbuh).

Remember that our BELEIVE(2) contains the beleive in all Prophets and Messengers! Disbileive in ONE of the them would totally break one's beleive and lead to DISBILEIVE(3)

And Allah swt knows the best.

Notes:
(1) Jesus (pbuh) did not die, he was saved by GOD and reaised to heaven.
(2) Here I meant AQIDAH.
(3) Here I meant DEVIATION.

ДЖИГИТ

06-06-2005, 09:56 PM

Ko'pdan beri bitta savolga javob izlayman.

Quronda musulmon erkak kishi hristian yoki yahudiy ayolni hotinlikka olsa boladi deb yozilgan.

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Quronning qaysi bir oyatida shuni o'qigan ekansiz? Dalil keltiringchi !!!!!!!!!!!!Payg'ambarimiz (s.a.w.) Hadisu Sharifda aytilishicha, musulmonman degan kishini yahudiy ayollarga uylanishidan qaytarganlar, sababi yahudiylarning er yuzida nopok ishlarni qilishda davomiyligida, bunga Quroni Karimda kopgina dalillar mavjud), Nasroniy ayollarga kelsak, ularning nikohdan so'ng yoki oldin islom dinini qabul qilish sharti bilangina (sababi nasroniylar mu'min hisoblanadi, yani hudoga ishonuvchi, ammo ishonishda adashgan umma, mu'min musulmon emas).
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Lekin hadislarda yozilishi boyicha, musulmon ayol - musulmon bolmagan erkakga erga tegishi man etilgan (Yani u erkak hoh hristian bolsin, hoh yahudiy bolsin).

Nega birinchisiga mumkinu, ikkinchisiga mumkin emas. Shunga aniq javob topa olmayapman.
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Aniq javob shu: g'ayri dinga erga teggan ayolning nasli (keyingi avlodlari ) g'ayri din bo'lib ketish ehtimoli borligidan ma'n etiladi. Negaki ayollar, ham ma'naviy, ham jismoniy hollarda erkak kishidan zaif boladi, bundan kelib chiqadigan hol ham aniq.
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Islom Dinida oilada OTA birinchi orinda, ONA ikkinchida hisoblanadi va ulardan bolgan nasllar Musulmon hisoblanad, yani OTAni dini boyicha.

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Bu sharhda hato qildingiz, negaki avval Ona, kegin yana Ona, kegin yana Ona, ana undan kegin Ota deyiladi hadisda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Royal

06-07-2005, 07:16 AM

Bu sharhda hato qildingiz, negaki avval Ona, kegin yana Ona, kegin yana Ona, ana undan kegin Ota deyiladi hadisda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man bu tushunchada etganim yoq.
QON boyicha etgandim.

Juhudlarda ONA boladi va fazandlari kimdan tugilishidan qattiy nazar ONA boyicha JUHUD boladi!!!

Hamid

06-07-2005, 07:29 AM

bilsihimcha musulmonlarda millat degan tushuncha yoq, bizlar yahudiy yoki hristiyanlardan farqli olaroq, har bir bolaning begunoh va musulmon sifatida tugilishiga ishonamiz (Qur'onda shunday oyat bor). Undan keyin esa ota onalar va atrof muhit bolaning kim bolib yetishishiga tasir korsatadi.
hh

Akhee-Abdullah

06-07-2005, 08:43 AM

Ruling regarding the marriage to the people of the Book (Jews and Christians)

It is NOT PERMISSIBLE neither to Muslim men or women to marry Mushrikeen (polytheists, idolators) and Atheists except the Jewish and Christian women.

It is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman if she is Christian or Jewish, but it is not permissible for him to marry a non-Muslim woman who follows any religion other than these two. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Made lawful to you this day are At‑Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends”

[al-Maa'idah 5:4]

Imam al-Tabari said in his commentary on this verse:

“chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture” means, free woman among those whom have been given the Scripture, namely the Jews and Christians who believe in what is in the Tawraat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel) from among the people who came before you, O believers in Muhammad, whether from among the Arabs or other people; you are permitted to marry them “when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage)” which means, if you give to those whom you marry of your (Muslims’) chaste women and their (Jews’ and Christians’) chaste women their mahrs or dowries.”

(Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 6/104)

But it is not permissible for a Muslim man to marry a Magian (Zoroastrian) woman or a communist woman or an idol-worshipping woman, etc.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not marry Al-Mushrikaat (idolatresses) till they believe (worship Allaah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you”

[al-Baqarah 2:221]

A mushrikah is an idol-worshipping woman who worships stones, whether from among the Arabs or others.

It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim from any other religion, whether from among the Jews or Christians, or any other kaafir religion. It is not permissible for her to marry a Jew, a Christian, a Magian, a communist, an idol-worshipper, etc.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikoon) invite you to the Fire, but Allaah invites (you) to Paradise and forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember”

[al-Baqarah 2:221]

Imam al-Tabari said:

What is said concerning the interpretation of the words “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you” is that what Allaah meant by that is that Allaah has forbidden the believing women to give birth to a mushrik, no matter what kind of shirk he believes in. So, O believers, do not give your daughters in marriage to them, for that is forbidden to you. For you to give them in marriage to a believing slave who believes in Allaah and His Messenger and that which he brought from Allaah is better for you than to give them in marriage to a free mushrik even if he is of noble descent and honourable origins, even if you like his descent and background…

It was narrated that Qutaadah and al-Zuhri said, concerning the phrase “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon”, It is not permissible for you to give them in marriage to a Jew or a Christian or a mushrik who is not a follower of your religion. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 2/379).

Akhee-Abdullah

06-07-2005, 08:49 AM

Are the Jews and Christians of this age regarded as people of the Book or as mushrikeen?

Praise be to Allaah.

Marriage to a Jewish or Christian woman is permissible according to the view of the majority of scholars. Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni (7/99):

There is no difference of opinion among the scholars concerning the permissibility of marrying free women of the people of the Book. Among those from whom this view was narrated are ‘Umar, ‘Uthmaan, Talhah, Hudhayfah, Salmaan, Jaabir, and others.

Ibn al-Mundhir said: There is no sound narration from any of the earliest generation to suggest that this is haraam. Al-Khallaal narrated, with his isnaad, that Hudhayfah, Talhah, al-Jaarood ibn al-Mu’alla and Udhaynah al-‘Abdi all married women from among the people of the Book. This was also the view of the rest of the scholars.

The main evidence concerning that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Made lawful to you this day are At Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith, [i.e. in the Oneness of Allaah and in all the other Articles of Faith i.e. His (Allaah’s) Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers”

[al-Maa'idah 5:5]

What is meant by muhsanah (translated here as chaste) is free and chaste women. Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer:

This is the view of the majority here, and this is what appears to be the case; lest she not only be a dhimmiyah but also unchaste, in which case she will be totally corrupt and her husband will end up as described in the proverb, “He bought bad dates and was cheated in weights and measures too”. The apparent meaning of the verse is that what is meant by al-muhsanaat (chaste women) is women who refrain from zina, as Allaah says in another verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“they (the above said slave-girls) should be chaste [muhsanaat], not committing illegal sex, nor taking boyfriends”

[al-Nisa’ 4:25]

The Christians and Jews are kuffaar and mushrikeen, according to the Qur’aan, but they are excluded from the prohibition on marrying their women, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not marry Al-Mushrikaat (idolatresses) till they believe (worship Allaah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you”

[al-Baqarah 2:221]

This is the clearest way of reconciling between the two verses.

Allaah has described them as being mushrikeen as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)”

[al-Tawbah 9:31]

So they are kuffaar and mushrikeen, but Allaah has permitted us to eat their meat and to marry their women if they are chaste. This is an exemption from the general meaning of the verse in Soorat al-Baqarah.

But it should be noted that it is better and safer not to marry women of the people of the Book, especially nowadays. Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “… as this is the case, it is better not to marry a woman of the people of the Book, because ‘Umar said to those who married women of the people of the Book: ‘Divorce them,’ so they divorced them, except Hudhayfah. ‘Umar said to him: ‘Divorce her.’ (Hudhayfah) said: ‘Do you bear witness that she is haraam?’ He said: ‘She is a live coal, divorce her.’ He said: ‘Do you bear witness that she is haraam?’ He said: ‘She is a live coal.’ He said: ‘I know that she is a live coal, but she is permissible for me.’ A while later, he divorced her and it was said to him: ‘Why did you not divorce her when ‘Umar commanded you to?’ He said: ‘I did not want the people to think that I had done something wrong (by marrying her).’ Perhaps he was fond of her or perhaps they had a child together so he was fond of her.”

Al-Mughni, 7/99

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “If the woman of the people of the Book is known to be chaste and to keep away from the means that lead to immorality, it is permissible, because Allaah has permitted that and has permitted us to marry their woman and eat their meat.

“But nowadays there is the fear that those who marry them may be faced with much evil. They may call him to their religion and that may lead to their children being raised as Christians. So the danger is very real and very serious. To be on the safe side, the believer should not marry them. And in most cases there is no guarantee that the woman will not commit immoral actions, or bring along children from a previous relationship… but if the man needs to do that then there is no sin on him, so that he can keep himself chaste and lower his gaze by being married to her. He should strive to call her to Islam and beware of her evil and of allowing her to drag him or the children towards kufr.”

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/172

And Allaah knows best.

referee

06-07-2005, 08:53 AM

Islom Dinida oilada OTA birinchi orinda, ONA ikkinchida hisoblanadi va ulardan bolgan nasllar Musulmon hisoblanad, yani OTAni dini boyicha.

Mana bu javobnmi kordim:

http://www.reliefonline.org/mfs/Marriage.htm

Mana bu yerdan ham ba'zi savollarga javob topish mumkindir:
Finding the Law: Islamic Law (Sharia)
http://www.llrx.com/features/islamiclaw.htm

Qogagani Ollohj yahshiroq biladi.

Royal,
can u give reference for this? because according to the hadith we should respect mothers more than fathers (prophet pbuh mentioned mother 3 times before saying that you should respect father). So i am not sure what you mean by 'birinchi orinda'...

referee

06-07-2005, 08:57 AM

Marrying non-muslim woman is under big question because there are different opinions on this problem:

1. Some scholars say that it is possible.

2. The others say that due to the fact that Hristians' and Jews' believes are different from it used to be in the times when Muhammad SAW got Qur'an one cannot marry them.

true, there is no consensus on this, and this does not mean that Muslim men should marry 'nominal' Christians or Jews, there is a big difference. And also, people should consider other issues of marriage and the upbringing and education of their children. If having discussed and satisfied yourself that she is true Christian or Jew and would respect your religion and allow your children grow up as Muslims, then it's a different story. Otherwise, we can't just use the Quran's postulates as a blanc cheque:)

musoFR

06-07-2005, 09:46 AM

Ko'pdan beri bitta savolga javob izlayman.

Quronda musulmon erkak kishi hristian yoki yahudiy ayolni hotinlikka olsa boladi deb yozilgan.

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Quronning qaysi bir oyatida shuni o'qigan ekansiz? Dalil keltiringchi !!!!!!!!!!!!Payg'ambarimiz (s.a.w.) Hadisu Sharifda aytilishicha, musulmonman degan kishini yahudiy ayollarga uylanishidan qaytarganlar, sababi yahudiylarning er yuzida nopok ishlarni qilishda davomiyligida, bunga Quroni Karimda kopgina dalillar mavjud), Nasroniy ayollarga kelsak, ularning nikohdan so'ng yoki oldin islom dinini qabul qilish sharti bilangina (sababi nasroniylar mu'min hisoblanadi, yani hudoga ishonuvchi, ammo ishonishda adashgan umma, mu'min musulmon emas).

man uydamas edim. Kechki payt uyga borganimda, qarab yozaman savolizga javobni: qaysi oyatda yozilganligini.

Siz saudiyaning ulamolaridan kelib chiqqan holda gapiryapsiz shakili. Chunki ikkinchi oyat tushganda ("mulsulmon ayollarga oylanish afzaldir" degan), saudiya ulamolari birinchi oyatga oz-ozidan amal qilinmaydi deb talqin qilishgan.

Hooooosh, musulmon kishi hristian yoki yahudiy ayolni hotinlikka olishi mumkin deganda, sharti borki, u ayol haqiqattan hristian diniga etiqodli bolishi kerak. Masalan hozirgi hristianlarning juda oz qismi haqiqattan etiqodli. Ota onasi baptiser qiligani bilan, ozini ateist deb biladi.

maradona

06-07-2005, 10:04 AM

Iltimos sizlardan uzbek tilida yozinglar, uzbeklardan boshqa hech kim uqimaydi baribir.

agar uzbeklardan boshqa biror millat uchun qiziqarli bulsa bu forum, uzbek tilini urgansin .

Tilga etiborsiz elga etiborsiz;)
iltimos shu forumda bas qilinglar oliftagarchilikni,kuchda uzilaringiz bilasizlar uzingizni qanday tutushni:rolleyes:

musoFR

06-07-2005, 10:08 AM

maradona

06-07-2005, 10:14 AM

torisini etsam, man engliz tilini uncha yahshi bilmiman. Shunchun maman iltimos qilardim, ozbe tilida yozila. Gap oliptagarchilida emas, shunchaki ozbek tilida oqisam yahshiro chunaman. Tepada engliz tilida yozilgan kop narsani batafsil chummadim, tor'isi.

Menam shuni aytamanda ingiliz tilini bilishini bu yerda kuz kuz qiladi,oliftagarchlik qilib, shunaqalrini bilaman bu yerdagilarni uzi hech nima bilmaydi tarjima qiladigan programma dan foydalanadi shu ingiliz tilida post yozish uchun, endi rus tilida gapirishini ku eshtsangiz qotib qolasiz;)

Gareeb

06-07-2005, 03:39 PM

Eyy birodarlar uylaninglar! Ey muslima opalar, singillar turnushga chiqinglar. Chunki nikoh iffatni saqlaydi, iymonni barkamol qiladi. Iloji boricha tezroq uylanishga harakat qilish kerak. Aks holda haromga tushib qolish hech gap emas.

Royal

06-07-2005, 08:01 PM

Royal,
can u give reference for this? because according to the hadith we should respect mothers more than fathers (prophet pbuh mentioned mother 3 times before saying that you should respect father). So i am not sure what you mean by 'birinchi orinda'...
Hmmm... man yozganimda kimni qanchalik darajada hurmat qilish keragiydi deganimas, balkim kimni qaysi orinda dinie nuqtai nazardan.

Islomda OTA ni dini birinchi hisoblanadi,
Yahudlarda ONAni dini birinchi hisoblanadi.

Shuni kozda tutgandim.

Dadasi

06-08-2005, 12:48 AM

referee

06-08-2005, 03:55 AM

Hmmm... man yozganimda kimni qanchalik darajada hurmat qilish keragiydi deganimas, balkim kimni qaysi orinda dinie nuqtai nazardan.

Islomda OTA ni dini birinchi hisoblanadi,
Yahudlarda ONAni dini birinchi hisoblanadi.

Shuni kozda tutgandim.

ok, anniqladik.