Sex after death.

[ttotemo]

This article is very controversial. It is long but is very interesting. What do you think of the arguments in it? especially regarding Koran's description of sex in paradise?

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/sexafterdeath.html

[Black]

This article is very controversial. It is long but is very interesting. What do you think of the arguments in it? especially regarding Koran's description of sex in paradise?


Dear ttotemo the following Copyrights © 2000-2010 Anwar Shaikh. explains everything. You are better to take of the link and close the thread.
For whom who don't know Anvar Shaikh (don't think that he is Sheikh-scholar, it is just his surname) : He is (or was) just a bus-conductor (кондуктор в автобусе) from Britain (Wales). He has no knowledge of Islam. When he was young, during the Indian-Pakistan partition period, as we all know, there were some clashes between muslims and indians. Both sides did that from the name of their religion. So, as a young man, with hot blood he killed some sikhs (between 1-3 of them), I don't remember exact number, but out of his stupidity he killed that sikhs, just because they were sikhs. Later he migrated to Britain, married there to the british woman, worked as an bus conductor, and at the age of some 40s or 50s he started to regret that he killed that sikh guys. So instead of blaming himself he started to blame Islam on what he did (if he was born in cristian family he would have blamed cristianity on what he did). He does not know arabic to interpret Qur'anic verses or Hadis. All he does is to take some wrong translations of Qur'an and Hadis of the westren orientalists and misinterpret them and write such stupid and nonsense articles and "books". Some young guys with lack of knowledge of Islam fall into his trap and go astray ( I read about at least 1 such guy who after reading his "book" stop praying). All he wrote is nothing but crap!
One may say if he is illuterate why muslim scholars do not refute his claims. The matter is that not many people (muslims) know him. The situation is like Salmon Rushdi (the guy who wrote "Satanic Verses") - the more you talk about him, the more people will know him and his claims. It is better not to touch him. He was alive some years ago, I don't know whether he is alive or not now.
Thus this article is cheap crap. I advise to you dear ttotemo to take off the link and close the topic (remove your thread). Or I ask moderators to do it. This is fitnah. (I read only some lines of it and so many misinterpretations)

May Allah swt guide him to the right path.

Peace.

[ttotemo]

Dear Black, thanks for your post. You seem to know a lot about the author of the above article and indeed possess some knowledge on Islam, as you said it was full of wrong interpretations of Koran and Hadiths. However when I was reading it, I could not see them. Not that I know the whole Koran, but I do know that some descriptions of Paradise as he presented them are authentic. Could you please identify those verses which he has misinterpreted in this article and say why they are wrong. I am particularly interested in the following points:

Why Huri's and Sex with them in paradise is so important in Islam? Isn't this sin in the center of Adam's removal from paradise?

What is the role of "beautiful boys" with silver bracelets in Paradise? Is this a hint to gay people for them to restrain from homo-sex in this life so that they can enjoy those boys in paradise?

What if someone's tastes of women are different from Korans description of Huri's. for example, what if someone likes African race and does not turn on on white or asian girls? Or what if someone doesn't like big breasts? These are all descriptions of Huri's in Koran, arent they?

Alcohol seems to be in the center of Paradise pleasures. I understand that things can be haram in this world and not haram in Paradise. Does this apply to any sin (except for kuffar of course)? if not, why is this inconsistency? Or is it not inconsistency at all?

I've got many other questions, that noone has been able to answer reasonably well. Please do not ask me to forget them and just believe in what Koran says because it is the word of God, that would be a very weak argument anyway.

Regarding removing the link and all, I would do so, but then these questions would remain unanswered in my mind. Often we muslims do so, don't you think? I think this is actually our weakest point. To ignore something we cannot explain, as a result of which we as a muslim nations have lagged behind the west so much. Wouldn't it be better if there were some contr-arguments under this link?

Answers would be really appreciated
Cheers,

[Gareeb]

I'm wondering will the men from amongst the human race that enters paradise, will they have sexual intercourse with the "HOURIS" women in the paradise .

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah has prepared for His believing slaves in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men, such that even the person who has the least blessings in Paradise will think that he is the most blessed among them. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of people in status in Paradise will be a man whose face Allaah turns away from the Fire towards Paradise, and shows him a tree giving shade. He will say, ‘O Lord, bring me closer to that tree so that I may be in its shade… Then he will enter his house [in Paradise] and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will come in and will say to him, ‘Praise be to Allaah who brought you to life for us and brought us to life for you.’ Then he will say, ‘No one has been given what I have been given.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 275)

Among the blessings that Allaah has prepared for His slaves are al-hoor al-‘iyn. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So (it will be). And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”

[al-Dhukhaan 44:54]

“They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes

[al-Toor 52:20]

Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. Allaah says, describing them (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein (Gardens) will be Khayraatun‑Hisaan [fair (wives) good and beautiful];

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

With whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [opening their hymens with sexual intercourse] before them.

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses.”

[al-Rahmaan 55:70-76]

“And (there will be) Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes (as wives for Al-Muttaqoon – the pious).

Like unto preserved pearls”

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22-23]

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The first group will enter Paradise looking like the moon on the night when it is full, and those who follow them will be like the brightest shining star in the sky. Their hearts will be as one, and there will be no hatred or jealousy among them. Each man will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn, the marrow of whose calves can be seen from beneath the bone and flesh.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3014)

It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘Going out and coming back for the sake of Allaah is better than this world and all that is in it. And a spot the size of the bow of one of you in Paradise – or a spot the size of his whip – is better than this world and all that is in it. If a woman from among the people of Paradise were to look at the people of this earth, she would light up all that is in between them and fill it with fragrance. The veil on her head is better than this world and all that is in it.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2587)

A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse. It was narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of Allaah, will he really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of one hundred (men).” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2459. He said, (it is) saheeh ghareeb).

It was narrated from Zayd ibn Arqam that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A man among the people of Paradise will be given the strength of a hundred men for eating, drinking, desire and sexual intercourse. A man among the Jews said, ‘The one who eats or drinks needs to excrete!’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: ‘The excretion of any one of them will be in the form of sweat which comes out through his skin, then his stomach will reduce in size again.’” (Narrated by Ahmad, no. 18509; al-Daarimi, no. 2704)

The mufassireen said concerning the phrase “busy in joyful things” (Yaa-Seen 36:55 – interpretation of the meaning):

‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood and Ibn ‘Abbaas (mayAllaah be pleased with them both), and Sa’eed ibn al-Musayyib, ‘Ikrimah, al-Hasan, Qutaadah, al-A’mash, Sulaymaan al-Taymi and al-Oozaa’i said concerning the aayaah (interpretation of the meaning),

“Verily, the dwellers of Paradise, that Day, will be busy in joyful things” [Yaa-Seen 36:55]

they said, (it means) they will be busy deflowering virgins. Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, according to a report narrated from him, that “busy in joyful things” means listening to stringed instruments. Abu Haatim said: he misheard the phrase iftidaad al-abkaar (deflowering virgins) and thought it was samaa’ al-awtaar (listening to stringed instruments). In fact the correct phrase is iftidaad al-abkaar (deflowering virgins). (Ibn Katheer, 3/564)

With regard to children, the scholars differed as to whether children would be born as a result of this intercourse or not. Some said that there would be children if the man wants them, but the pregnancy and birth would take just one hour. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the believer wants a child in Paradise, the pregnancy and delivery will take only an hour, then the child will be the age that the man wants.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2487; al-Daarimi, no. 2712; Ahmad, no. 11339; Ibn Maajah, no. 4329). And Allaah knows best.

We ask Allaah to admit us to Paradise and to keep us far away from the Fire. May He bless us with the highest Firdaws, for He is the One Who is Able to do that. Praise be to Allaah the Lord of the Worlds.



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[Gareeb]

Before I get to my question, I would like to introduce myself a little. I am a muslim girl in Sweden, who got a question from a christian person.
I've asked everyone around me and tried to find the answer by looking in books, internet, but unfortunately whithout any results.The question was about huriyat (several women), according to what I've heard it is several women that the muslim men will be "awarded" with,in janna(heaven).I don't know if this information is right, but if you could give me a little bit more information about this, I would be thankful. The main question is: -Why does Islam encourage something in janna(heaven), which is forbidden here on earth?. Whith that he means, that a relationship outside
marriage is according to Islam- haram (forbidden), if they(muslim men)avoid this on earth, they will be awarded with huriyat in janna. Isn't that very strange? Unfortunately a know very little about this subject, I don't know where he got this question, but I am sure there is a logical explanation for this question, which I hope to find answer to.
I would be very grateful, if you could help me with this question, thank you for your time!

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

In His Holy Book, Allaah has mentioned Paradise and what He has prepared therein. He has mentioned the attributes of Paradise and of its people in numerous places in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat (interpretation of the meaning):

“Therein will be a running spring.

Therein will be thrones raised high.

And cups set at hand.

And cushions set in rows.

And rich carpets (all) spread out”

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:12-16]

“But for him who fears the standing before his Lord, there will be two Gardens (i.e. in Paradise).

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

With spreading branches.

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

In them (both) will be two springs flowing (free).

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

In them (both) will be every kind of fruit in pairs.”

[al-Rahmaan 55:46-52]

“Wherein both will be Qaasiraat ut-Tarf [chaste females (wives) restraining their glances, desiring none except - their husbands], with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [sexual intercourse] before them.

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?

(In beauty) they are like rubies and coral.”

[al-Rahmaan 55:56-58]

“Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions”

[al-Rahmaan 55:72]

“And (there will be) Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes (as wives for Al-Muttaqoon – the pious).

Like unto preserved pearls.

A reward for what they used to do.”

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22-24]

There are many saheeh ahaadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which describe the women of Paradise and state that they will be prepared on the Day of Resurrection for the muttaqoon (pious). Among these ahaadeeth is the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The first group to enter Paradise will look like the moon on the night when it is full, then those who follow them will look like the brightest star in the sky; they will not urinate or defecate or spit or blow their noses. Their combs will be of gold and their sweat will be musk and their incense-burners will be pearls. Their wives will be al-hoor al-‘iyn. Their appearance will be the same and they will look like their father Adam who was sixty cubits tall.”

(Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2015).

It was also reported that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A tent will be a pearl sixty miles high, in each corner of which will be a wife for the believer whom no one else will see.” (Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3357).

In these ahaadeeth the women of Paradise are mentioned who have been prepared for the men. In His Book, Allaah called them al-Hoor. Al-Hoor is the plural of Hooraa’ . Al-Qurtubi said in al-Ahkaam (17/12): “(This means) a woman in whose eyes the white is intensely white and the black is intensely black.” We believe in that with absolute faith uncontaminated with any doubts. It is part of the essentials of our belief. For more information see Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Kitaab Bad’ al-Khalq, Baab Sifat al-Jannah; and Saheeh Muslim, Abwaab Sifat al-Jannah; and Sifat al-Jannah by Abu’l-Na’eem al-Isfahaani, which describes the women of the people of Paradise and their beauty.

With regard to the question about why Islam encourages and gives glad tidings of things in Paradise which are forbidden in this world, such as men having intimate relationships with women outside of the framework of marriage – before we answer this question, we must make a serious point, which is that Allaah forbids whatever He wills in this world to its people, for He is the Creator and Sovereign of these things, so it is not permissible for anyone to object to the ruling of Allaah on the basis of his foolish thinking and imperfect understanding. The ruling and the decision of the matter, before and after, is only with Allaah, and there is none who can overturn His ruling, may He be glorified and exalted.
nly), (and) of equal age”

[al-Waaqi’ah

[Gareeb]

With regard to the question of why Allaah forbids some things in this world, then in the Hereafter will permit them as a reward to those who abstained from them (such as wine, zinaa, wearing silk for men, etc.), this is what Allaah wills to give as a reward to those who obey Him and patiently strive in this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Is there any reward for good other than good?” [al-Rahmaan 55:60]

With regard to the reason why these things are forbidden, there follow a few important points:

Firstly:

We do not necessarily know all the reasons why things are forbidden. There are some reasons which we do not know. The basic principle is to accept and submit to the texts even if we do not know the reason, because submission is the point of Islam which is based on complete obedience to Allaah, may He be exalted.

Secondly:

Some of the reasons for the prohibitions may be clear to us, such as the corruptions that result from zinaa, e.g., the mixing of lineages, the spread of fatal diseases and so on. When Islam forbids unlawful relationships, the intention is to protect people’s lineage and honour, which may not mean anything to the kaafirs and immoral people, who jump on one another like donkeys, with a boyfriend having intercourse with his girlfriend and people having intercourse with their own relatives and so on, as if they are in the jungle. Indeed, they are worse than animals, for some animals refuse to do such a thing, but these people do not refuse and do not care. As a result of this promiscuity, the ties that bind society disintegrate and it becomes filled with fatal sexual diseases which are an indication of the wrath of Allaah towards those who violate His sacred limits and make permissible that which is forbidden.

This is unlike the relationship of a man with the Hooris in Paradise – which is what has been asked about here – for we may note that in the case of a promiscuous woman in this world, her honour is readily available to all and she has no religious commitment or shame. She is not bound by a lawful relationship to one person. So men and women have intercourse with whomever they want, with no restrictions of religion or morality. But the hooris in Paradise are restrained and restricted to their husbands to whom Allaah has given them as a reward for their patience in abstaining from haraam things in this world. As Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions”

[al-Rahmaan 55:72]

“with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [sexual intercourse] before them.” [al-Rahmaan 55:56]

The hoori is a wife for the man, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and We shall marry them to Hooris [female fair ones] with wide, lovely eyes…” [al-Dukhaan 44:54].

And they will be confined to their husbands, and no one else will have a share in them.

Thirdly:

Allaah – who has declared that in this world a man is not permitted to have more than four wives at one time – is the One Who will bless the people of Paradise with whatever He wills of al-hoor al-‘iyn. So there is no contradiction between what is forbidden in this world and in the Hereafter, because the rulings of each are different, in accordance with what the Lord wills. Undoubtedly the Hereafter is far better and more lasting than this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Beautified for men is the love of things they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world’s life; but Allaah has the excellent return (Paradise with flowing rivers) with Him.

Say: ‘Shall I inform you of things far better than those? For Al-Muttaqoon (the pious) there are Gardens (Paradise) with their Lord, underneath which rivers flow. Therein (is their) eternal (home) and Azwaajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives). And Allaah will be pleased with them. And Allaah is All-Seer of the (His) slaves.’”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:14-15]

Fourthly:

This prohibition may be a kind of test from Allaah to His slaves, to see whether they will obey these commands and avoid that which He has forbidden. The test could not be with regard to something for which people have no inclination and which they do not like; it has to be with regard to something to which they are inclined and attracted. This testing may include wealth – will a person take from that which is permitted and dispose of it in manners which are permitted, and will he fulfil the rights which Allaah has over it? The test with regard to women is: will he restrict himself to that which Allaah has permitted him of women, and will he lower his gaze and avoid seeking pleasure in that which Allaah has forbidden. It is an aspect of Allaah’s mercy – may He be exalted and glorified – that He does not forbid something to which people are inclined without allowing something of that nature and there is much which is permitted.

Fifthly:

The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches. What Allaah has prepared for the believers of women on the Day of Resurrection as a reward for their obedience is not like zinaa which violates people’s honour, confuses lineages, spreads diseases and leads to regret. The women of Paradise are pure and good; they will never die or get old, unlike the women of this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

And made them virgins.

Loving (their husbands only), (and) of equal age”

[al-Waaqi’ah 56:35]

We ask Allaah to bless us with the best of this world and the next, and to help us to be obedient to His commands and to have certain faith in His reward and to keep us safe from His punishment. And Allaah knows best.



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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)

[ttotemo]

With regard to the question of why Allaah forbids some things in this world, then in the Hereafter will permit them as a reward to those who abstained from them (such as wine, zinaa, wearing silk for men, etc.), this is what Allaah wills to give as a reward to those who obey Him and patiently strive in this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



Dear Gareeb, as you said, men who abstain from zina and alcohol in this life will be able to enjoy it in paradise. Does this mean that gay people will be able to enjoy homosexual sex in paradise too? If yes then why is it not clearly stated in The Book, if no then why is such a discrimination? At the end of the day these people did not choose their sexuality, well most of them...

[Gareeb]

Dear Gareeb, as you said, men who abstain from zina and alcohol in this life will be able to enjoy it in paradise. Does this mean that gay people will be able to enjoy homosexual sex in paradise too? If yes then why is it not clearly stated in The Book, if no then why is such a discrimination? At the end of the day these people did not choose their sexuality, well most of them...
Oh oshnam sen oldin aqidangni to'grilab kelgin keyin gaplashamiz.Islomda livota(homosexuality) harom qilingan, chunki bu sof tabiatga qarshi. Nima uchun erection paytida to'gri borib singlingni "yopishtirmaysan" ahir bu sening hohishingku shundaymasmi? Huddi shu ishni qilish mumkin bo'lmaganidek Alloh nimani halol degan bo'lsa halol harom degan bo'lsa haromdir. Sen bilan bizga o'hshagan nodonlarga qo'yib bersa nima "qantlar" emaymiz. Alal oqibat onasi bilan yotishni ham shahs erkinligi deyishgacha ham etib boradi bular shu ketishda. Gap gapirishdan oldin yahshilab o'ylab olgin. Ahlat bilan hazinaning farqiga borgin .Sen bilan umuman olganda torishishdan foyda yo'q. Faqat aytadiganim Alloh qalbingni ochsin, haqni tanitsin. Shu holos qo'limdan keladigani.

[Alouddin]

ttotemo, about gays: I'm not a scholar, yet have my understanding on this thing. And it rests on the very fact that there are the houries. Allah swt says in the Qur'on that He created men and women (!) then why GLTS?.. (sry, can't remember the ayah and surah)

Al Insan: 21:
"Their raiment will be fine green silk and gold embroidery. Bracelets of silver will they wear. Their Lord will slake their thirst with a pure drink."

As you can see, this ayah at least does not talk about alcohol at all.

I've dropped the link to the thread in teh "Challenge Islam with any question" thread. I understand it befits to be there more than being a sepate thread.

peace

p/s did u say you were a Muslim, ttotemo?