How to survive for Singles in abroad...

[Abu Hurayra]

Hi guys,
Its very difficult for singles (man-woman,boy-girl) in abroad.
If only you have a chance you need to marry.
for ins:Especially now when the most female creatures dress so that you go mad if you look them or Satan will lead you to wrong way.
So I advice you all forumers to find your partner (husband-wife) , and marry them based on religion rules as soon as possible.Otherwise Satan may infuence us all.

If you havent an opportunity to do it I advice you :

Not to go parties
Not to look to female creatures with a deep glance
Not to surve in XXX rated websites and this type of materials.
If you are Muslim believer make bonus(nafila) siyam-ruza




If anyone has ideas based on moral you can share...
Please dont share with ideas leading Illegal,immoral unacceptable(according to religion) actions


PS:actually me searching someone to marry,Before I left Uz I asked my parents-they said marry anygirl of any nationality you want-who is muslim...Ofcource you must ask Ar-Rohman for a wife with a beautiful moral and faith(iman)...

goodluck!!!!

respectfully D

[Gareeb]

100% I agree with you. There is no option exept fasting for bo'ydoqs. It is very difficult to keep the iffah

[Webbie]

Hi guys,
Its very difficult for singles (man-woman,boy-girl) in abroad.
If only you have a chance you need to merry.
for ins:Especially now when the most female creatures dress so that you go mad if you look them or Satan will lead you to wrong way.
So I advice you all forumers to find your partner (husband-wife) , and merry them based on religion rules as soon as possible.Otherwise Satan may infuence us all.

If you havent an opportunity to do it I advice you :

Not to go parties
Not to look to female creatures with a deep glance
Not to surve in XXX rated websites and this type of materials.
If you are Muslim believer make bonus(nafila) siyam-ruza




If anyone has ideas based on moral you can share...
Please dont share with ideas leading Illegal,immoral unacceptable(according to religion) actions


PS:actually me searching someone to merry,Before I left Uz I asked my parents-they said merry anygirl of any nationality you want-who is muslim...Ofcource you must ask Ar-Rohman for a wife with a beauful moral and faith(iman)...

goodluck!!!!

respectfully D

ohooo, so you think people will actually listen to you? I think that people should marry whenever and whoever they want to. Its up to the person. If thats how you feel than go follow your heart, but do not preach such things here

this thread belongs in 'Din va Madaniyat'

Sincerely, WEbbie

[Uzbekistan2010]

Hi guys,
Its very difficult for singles (man-woman,boy-girl) in abroad.

IT IS DIFFUCULT NOT ONLY FOR SINGLES BUT ALSO FOR MARRIED MAN:cool:

[Alchemist]

hah the problem is, i see satan everyday, especially when im around women satan is everywhere. So i dont think if a man marries he becomes saint. And I love female creatures who make me go mad cause of their dress.

[Abu Hurayra]

ohooo, so you think people will actually listen to you? I think that people should marry whenever and whoever they want to. Its up to the person. If thats how you feel than go follow your heart, but do not preach such things here

this thread belongs in 'Din va Madaniyat'

Sincerely, WEbbie

Dear Webbie,

I could advice people to go party,To have a multiple girlfrieds multiple boyfrieds or to go for prostitutes if only I wished people bad.If you will think without not taking account the religion its logically and healthy to have a certain legal wife, husband with whom you can share your life.
...animals also eat,they have an intercource with different partners and they sleep in warm place...and etc...But we are the people we got mind that animals have not.We must use it.We must not behaive like animals.
Here I do not want to read you a moral but I like people I dont wish them bad things,so these words were the best words I could wish even for me...

goodluck,Merry as soon as possible :)

respectfully D

[lavelaso]

Dear Webbie,

I could advice people to go party,To have a multiple girlfrieds multiple boyfrieds or to go for b(ea)ches if only I wished people bad.If you will think without not taking account the religion its logically and healthy to have a certain legal wife, husband with whom you can share your life.
...animals also eat,they have an intercource with different partners and they sleep in warm place...and etc...But we are the people we got mind that animals have not.We must use it.We must not behaive like animals.
Here I do not want to read you a moral but I like people I dont wish them bad things,so these words were the best words I could wish even for me...

goodluck,Merry as soon as possible :)

respectfully D

I HAVE MANY GIRLFRIENDS. WHO WANTS TO MARRY ME ? I LOVE TO HAVE ANIMAL SEX.

[Uzbekistan2010]

I LOVE TO HAVE ANIMAL SEX.

woahahahahahaha ,, are u sure?

[Abu Hurayra]

I HAVE MANY GIRLFRIENDS. WHO WANTS TO MARRY ME ? I LOVE TO HAVE ANIMAL SEX.

LoL R U shure...


...Let me imagine Lavalaso-as a Cock (lucky animal) with 20 chicks arround.And jumping on each of them...hmmm would look strange. :)

PS:take it easy choose one of your girlfriends and merry her. I think each of your girlfriends has also multiple boyfriends...If seriously this is really shit...

Whatever goodluck in chosing one of your chicks,

respectfully D

[breeze]

Agree with Webbie. Deadman I think you're overexagerating a little.

[Gareeb]

DEADMAN is speaking the truth. Whoever respekts his religion he should marry as soon as possible otherwise Shaytan may defeat him.

[Hellblazer]

If your faith is strong enough no Satan will influence you, human being has a CHOICE,of being in one side or another,well if GO CRAZYYYYYY cause of someones DRESS and think that marrying some other one will help you,you are mistaking, aha BIG TIME

[Abu Hurayra]

If your faith is strong enough no Satan will influence you, human being has a CHOICE,of being in one side or another,well if GO CRAZYYYYYY cause of someones DRESS and think that marrying some other one will help you,you are mistaking, aha BIG TIME


Satan will mostly fight the ones with strong faith,because Nothing left to do for Satan with the people who used to do all forbidden deeds.
Dress is only one factor,These days you want or not your glance will fall in to many artificial jwellaries you are surrounded with all attractive things that may misslead you soon. I adviced to merry not only for dress, I advised to merry only for the heath of your faith-that gives you the healthy and happy life. If you have an opportunity better to merry...


Breeze:I know,For sometime it may seem you as a normal thing,you might think -"Hey Everybody is doing so, Its normal,Why should not I do it why should not I try it" the worse thing is this kind of thinking.First you maybe will try "small" baddy things, maybe have a girlfriend or boyfriend..,as a result you will get addicted. (to alcahol,parties,having an intercourse with prostitutes drugs)....thats the end of your life in this 4 dayed world.Maybe you will feel "happy" for sometime but its just temporaryly feeling...


PS: take care ....

respectfully D,

[referee]

hah the problem is, i see satan everyday, especially when im around women satan is everywhere. So i dont think if a man marries he becomes saint. And I love female creatures who make me go mad cause of their dress.

Then it's your problem if you are easily and always seduced;) But marrying will certainly help, as it will create a normal and humane condition where you can enjoy what is God-prescribed rather than being distracted all the time by God-forbiden things. Of course, it depends if you take marriage seriously...

[referee]

Satan will mostly fight the ones with strong faith,because Nothing left to do for Satan with the people who used to do all forbidden deeds.
Dress is only one factor,These days you want or not your glance will fall in to many artificial jwellaries you are surrounded with all attractive things that may misslead you soon. I adviced to merry not only for dress, I advised to merry only for the heath of your faith-that gives you the healthy and happy life. If you have an opportunity better to merry...


You forgot to mention that marriage give you a chance to fight your Nafs, which is the biggest problem of most of us.

[Abu Hurayra]

buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Label:

I see you are banned, but I think you r reading this post, Maybe you will again open a different account and again begin to sending this kind of posts
STOP!!!!!!

Think what are you gaining for it? Whats your goal?.Showing that nude pic satisfies you somehow?
Would you put a picture of your sister,your mother instead of it?
Would you?!
If yes I would not argue with you just pity pity …I advice you to use the part of your body above your shoulders before doing smtg.

Remember that every word you say,you write you read, every deed you make is recorded and oneday you will have to answer for them all!Becarefull Its not just Prikol,joke.

I hope next time when you will open a new account you post some meaningfull, wise posts that gives a person positive impression.

Dust achitib gapirar Dushman kuldirib,

Ogayni uzinga qara san bu rasmni quyib nafaqat uzinga gunoh ortirvossan,balki usha rasmni kurgan insonlani ham gunoh ortirishiga fitnaga yulaqishiga sababchi buvossan.Ehtiyot bul ogayni,uzinga qara.Bir uylab ko’r singling onangni shunaqa rasmini quygan bulardingmi???

Mayli Insofni uzi bersin,tugri yulga boshlasin.Balkim buni bir prikol qivomman hechqisi yuq deb uylagandirsan lekin katta gunohga qolayapsan…Mayli qaniydi yangi account ochsang chiroyli,odamlarni yahshilikka boshligigan yahshi postlar qilsayiz

I strongly advice you to listen these lectures (available in Russian,Uzbek and Tatar languages),Hopefully maybe you will change your mind…

www.toislam.com (http://www.toislam.com/)


referee:for sure...

Respectfully D,

[Asalik]

hey,

marriage would definately be helpful, but the thing is , we are not getting fullfilled and satisfied just with sex and care of our wifes or husbands in 5 or 6 months time, why?caz we can see that the image, the knowledge, the point of view and bla bla bla of our partner is not updated, i mean u can c that ur wife(such a nice and caring woman)looks so far from the girl in Maxim Magazine...so pity u say...we think the same things abt our husbands, they are so cool, generous and bla bla bla,but his tummy is pissing me off:P. Anyway, lets update ourselves, Let Allah be with us to keep our families nice, and happy

[referee]

hey,

marriage would definately be helpful, but the thing is , we are not getting fullfilled and satisfied just with sex and care of our wifes or husbands in 5 or 6 months time, why?caz we can see that the image, the knowledge, the point of view and bla bla bla of our partner is not updated, i mean u can c that ur wife(such a nice and caring woman)looks so far from the girl in Maxim Magazine...so pity u say...we think the same things abt our husbands, they are so cool, generous and bla bla bla,but his tummy is pissing me off:P. Anyway, lets update ourselves, Let Allah be with us to keep our families nice, and happy

marriage, just like faith, requires commitment and effort - without it will not survive or be fulfilling. So, issues like keeping fit and knowledgable should be worked out together as a couple and thus if you both lack beauty and knowledge it will be a teamwork failure;)

[breeze]

I don't have a herd attitude, as in "oh everyone is doing it, it means I can too", and I have my own brain to think and decide for myself whether I want to do something or not. I just think it's silly to advice people to get married in this situation.

I live in the setting where there are many Muslim people and they all face the same problem you were talking about on every day basis, but they don't run and get married just for this reason. They create communities, or student organizations where people of same believes gather together to support each other. In these groups you will find friendships and help you need to fight those temptations you're facing. This is what you can advice for people to do, not to run and get married. After all marriage is a serious step on one's life and you need to approach it carefully and only when you feel you're ready for the big commitment and responsibility that comes with it.

Breeze:I know,For sometime it may seem you as a normal thing,you might think -"Hey Everybody is doing so, Its normal,Why should not I do it why should not I try it" the worse thing is this kind of thinking.First you maybe will try "small" baddy things, maybe have a girlfriend or boyfriend..,as a result you will get addicted. (to alcahol,parties,having an intercourse with b(ea)hes,drugs)....thats the end of your life in this 4 dayed world.Maybe you will feel "happy" for sometime but its just temporaryly feeling...


PS: take care ....

respectfully D,

[Crazy Daisy]

Only dead can stifle feeling. From your words I understood that you are calling to get married only to suppress him/herself. If this is the reason for your marriage, I really feel pity for the one who'll get married with you. Unless you both share this idea. And it seems to me that you trying to force others to follow you. Hmmmm, telling the truth I don't get mad when my boyfriend looks at pretty girl around and even tells me that ''girl's legs/body ae superb'' (and also he doesn't mind when I look at hunks). So what? It's very natural.

[breeze]

Only dead can stifle feeling. From your words I understood that you are calling to get married only to suppress him/herself. If this is the reason for your marriage, I really feel pity for the one who'll get married with you. Unless you both share this idea. And it seems to me that you trying to force others to follow you. Hmmmm, telling the truth I don't get mad when my boyfriend looks at pretty girl around and even tells me that ''girl's legs/body ae superb'' (and also he doesn't mind when I look at hunks). So what? It's very natural.

LoL, careful Daisy, Deadman will have to perform exorcism to save your soul from devil after this kind of words ;)

[referee]

Hmmmm, telling the truth I don't get mad when my boyfriend looks at pretty girl around and even tells me that ''girl's legs/body ae superb'' (and also he doesn't mind when I look at hunks). So what? It's very natural.

Not that I'm reproaching, and in my view, thinking & commenting on the other gender's physics while having husband/wife shows lack of respect and maturity. We need to have a clear distinction between boy/girl-friends and marriage, and 'natural' and human. Some of the so-called 'natural' things are not suitable for reasonable humans...

[referee]

I don't have a herd attitude, as in "oh everyone is doing it, it means I can too", and I have my own brain to think and decide for myself whether I want to do something or not. I just think it's silly to advice people to get married in this situation.

I live in the setting where there are many Muslim people and they all face the same problem you were talking about on every day basis, but they don't run and get married just for this reason. They create communities, or student organizations where people of same believes gather together to support each other. In these groups you will find friendships and help you need to fight those temptations you're facing. This is what you can advice for people to do, not to run and get married. After all marriage is a serious step on one's life and you need to approach it carefully and only when you feel you're ready for the big commitment and responsibility that comes with it.

breeze,

I agree that marriage should not be seen as an escape or easy solution to loneliness, but if a person is 'ready' for marriage but avoided it because of study/work etc, he could do all the things for the community, which you described, in even better way when he has a family. And about seriousness of the marriage you are right, but again people should not be thinking of it as a tough 'philosophical task', otherwise one can end up spending the whole life thinking about it:lol:

[breeze]

breeze,

I agree that marriage should not be seen as an escape or easy solution to loneliness, but if a person is 'ready' for marriage but avoided it because of study/work etc, he could do all the things for the community, which you described, in even better way when he has a family. And about seriousness of the marriage you are right, but again people should not be thinking of it as a tough 'philosophical task', otherwise one can end up spending the whole life thinking about it:lol:

it's not a philosophical task, my friend, it's a matter of maturity and finding the right person. You're either ready for it or not. You can't just jump into it because you're facing some personal issues, as in feeling like you're being tempted by things, or anything like that. But then if one thinks he/she is ready for it, go for it and I wish them best of luck.

[Gareeb]

Tayyor emas deganda nimani nazarda tutyapsiz? Jinsiy zaiflikmi yoki ruhan kasallikmi? Agar hammasi joyida bo'lsa , moliyaviy jihatdan o'zini tutib olgan bo'lsa uylanishni kechiktirmaslik kerak. Albatta bu aytilgan gaplar o'z iffatini saqlamoqchi bo'lganlarga. Bo'lmasa girl friend qilib olib yuraverasiz qanchagacha bo'lsa ham.

[Crazy Daisy]

Sorry forgot to say 'fiance' instead boyfriend (as I haven't this definition a lot). I don't want him to be restraiened. Just a rude example, when you are dieting you avoid chocolate that you used to have in very tyny portions. But after the regimen finished you just attack it and eat like this is the last thing left. I'm a very open-minded person, and if this quality means that I'm 'unreasonable' then I have nothing to say.

[Crazy Daisy]

Breeze, it won't help me anymore (they tried it on me so many times that exorcism runs miles away from me). I think objective and reasonable explanations will do...

[Abu Hurayra]

Only dead can stifle feeling. From your words I understood that you are calling to get married only to suppress him/herself. If this is the reason for your marriage, I really feel pity for the one who'll get married with you. Unless you both share this idea. And it seems to me that you trying to force others to follow you. Hmmmm, telling the truth I don't get mad when my boyfriend looks at pretty girl around and even tells me that ''girl's legs/body ae superb'' (and also he doesn't mind when I look at hunks). So what? It's very natural.

It seems you did not carefully read the comments,Read the first post (beginning ) again.Here nobody forces anyone. For example if I like sweet I would also offer this sweet to the ones who r near me.Ofcource Here in forum there r people from different cultural background,different religios background.Maybe in your culture its allowed to have a partner from opposite sex.Maybe in your culture there is no feeling like Jealousy.But in the culture where I come from faith,feelings like respect,jealousy,love between brothers and sisters,love between relatives,responsibility in front of social community are the main aspects.Maybe u used to it.Speaking the thruth in my religion Islam its not allowed relations like boyfriend-girlfriend.We try to avoid all actions that are prohibitet in our Religion.Thus if we sell our afterdeath life to satan (By breaking all orders of Allah for these kind of 4 dayed pleasure,It would be the most dubious action ever we did in our life.In this world maybe you dont know wether you r alive tomorrow or not,maybe you live untill 35-45-56-68-89-90 ok let it be 200-but look its limited.Afterdeath life is unlimited.So Afterdeath life is in the first place for us.To reach a happy afterdeath life we obbey allthe orders of Allah and follow the sunnah of our prophet(saw).

And here we did not forced anyone to marry,We have been just trying share how to survive in the circumstance where many factors influence you.We did not offer anyone to prohibited and immoral matters like havings sex with prostitutes or with any other partner from your opposite sex.I know many guys many girls that keep girlfriends or boyfriends for just pleasure.Ofcource if you will not respect yourself,if you have not got a proud,if you r not jealous about your wife you there will be no differance between creatures with mind and without mind.I see knowadays poeple r not more getting jealous.In europe boyfriend of a girl can come to her hause stay with her for weeks months in one room and parents say nothing.It became a norm.Letting your girl f**d by guys.
This is really Shit.

PS:Here I spoke based on my religion and cultural background,so argueng on these issues is useless.If you want to speak please bring arguements based on some cultural background.

take care,

If I annoyed somone with my words sorry,


respectfully D

[breeze]

You don't have be handicap or mentally retarded to be not ready for marriage. Some people get into marriage without realizing its importance and how their lives are going to be changed. Add children to that, when parents don't even know how to deal with their own problems and issues and situation may be even worse. Or, what if some people have other issues to take care of first, i.e. debts, career, anything.

For example, at this point of my career I have to work long hours (15+ hrs a day), travel a lot on a very short notice and sometimes for long periods of time, etc. I know it will be over in couple of years when I get promoted and when I will have also more time to spare and much more money to support myself and my family. Then why rush?

By saying people need to be ready, as I already explained in my previous post, they need to be mature enough for it. They need to be able to support themselves financially, and be able to take the commitment and responsibility. Especially if you live abroad, it's not like you have your parents or tons of relatives around to support you if you face some kind of problem. Hence, I'm saying that people shouldn't get into marriage as an escape from something. There are too many people who take up upon this responsibility without realizing that they will have to make certain changes to their life styles. It's a personal matter and it differs from person to person. Some people are ready for marriage at the age of 18, some don't feel ready until they are 30 or something. I'm just saying take your time, don't rush, but go for it, when you feel it's the right time and good luck.

Tayyor emas deganda nimani nazarda tutyapsiz? Jinsiy zaiflikmi yoki ruhan kasallikmi? Agar hammasi joyida bo'lsa , moliyaviy jihatdan o'zini tutib olgan bo'lsa uylanishni kechiktirmaslik kerak. Albatta bu aytilgan gaplar o'z iffatini saqlamoqchi bo'lganlarga. Bo'lmasa girl friend qilib olib yuraverasiz qanchagacha bo'lsa ham.

[referee]

it's not a philosophical task, my friend, it's a matter of maturity and finding the right person. You're either ready for it or not. You can't just jump into it because you're facing some personal issues, as in feeling like you're being tempted by things, or anything like that. But then if one thinks he/she is ready for it, go for it and I wish them best of luck.

glad you are of the same view, bro;)

[Crazy Daisy]

Deadman, what a matching nick. I know and experience all kinds of respect towards my parents, family, relatives and other surrounding people. I have read your post from the very beginning and the style of your speach doesn't mean what are are saying me now. How dare you judje others. I have all those kinds of human feeling, if there was a female character equivalent to Otello I would be the one. I love buautiful people and things. All of them were created by allah and why shouldn't we enjoy them, at least by looking at them? You would surely be delighted to look at sexy woman on the street and forget whatever you said here in a moment. I went trhough this myself, was offered several times a very 'bad offers' by males who were 'model saints' of the community and even highly respectful person of the mosque 'club', even though I don't dress defiantly at all. So don't write all these dogmas to me. And I'm not arguing. Coz arguing with you coz is useless.

[breeze]

Deadman, I would like to request you to stop using word "bitches" in your posts, since it's a derogatory word towards all women. You don't see anybody using such words when referring to guys sleeping with other girls, do you? Thank u.

[referee]

Sorry forgot to say 'fiance' instead boyfriend (as I haven't this definition a lot). I don't want him to be restraiened. Just a rude example, when you are dieting you avoid chocolate that you used to have in very tyny portions. But after the regimen finished you just attack it and eat like this is the last thing left. I'm a very open-minded person, and if this quality means that I'm 'unreasonable' then I have nothing to say.

Crazy Daisy,
thanks for your views, and please don't take our discussion as a criticism but as a debate.

You say 'dieting' example shows restraining is bad but would you not say that certain restraining is needed. I agree that for a grown-up men/women to restrain from bonding with the other sex is not advisable, hence the importance of marriage. But bonding with women for a young or married men is a necessary restraint. After all, you'd be the first person to protest if you man does not restrain himself and allows himself more than just looking or commenting - so there are always limits to our actions. Or you would oppose young people taking drugs, would you not.
Open-mindedness is a very often-used and confused term - many open-minded people, which I have met, have (not urprisingly) limits of their own even if they claim the contrary.

[breeze]

Yup, btw it should be "sis' " I think - I'm a girl ;)


glad you are of the same view, bro;)

[referee]

Yup, btw it should be "sis' " I think - I'm a girl ;)

oops:oops: Your heart-felt talk about working to afford a family may have confused me;)

P.S. Another word for busy people, like ourselves, from a nice man I'd chatted recently in the park(don't ask) on these issues - while working and preparing for marriage one has to remember praying to Allah for his help for delivering us what we are seeking (in your case, good husband).

Confused Referee.

[Abu Hurayra]

Deadman, what a matching nick. I know and experience all kinds of respect towards my parents, family, relatives and other surrounding people. I have read your post from the very beginning and the style of your speach doesn't mean what are are saying me now. How dare you judje others. I have all those kinds of human feeling, if there was a female character equivalent to Otello I would be the one. I love buautiful people and things. All of them were created by allah and why shouldn't we enjoy them, at least by looking at them? You would surely be delighted to look at sexy woman on the street and forget whatever you said here in a moment. I went trhough this myself, was offered several times a very 'bad offers' by males who were 'model saints' of the community and even highly respectful person of the mosque 'club', even though I don't dress defiantly at all. So don't write all these dogmas to me. And I'm not arguing. Coz arguing with you coz is useless.

Dear Crazy Dazy dont take my words to you,I changed my mind about you from your last comment.Take it easy as one friend said take it as a debate..

breeze:I apologize ufor using those words,I was a little nervous about seeing events like these in the city I live,In the circumstance I stay.( :oops: I changed word b** to prostitute its more general can be used for both gender)

Someone told me that I would look to women with 'cloth' on the street but thats not correct.I m alhamdulillah afraid of Allah and his punnishment,thus I know and follow the hadith that all the things that lead to Zina(Intercource without Nikah) are be counted like Zina-including glancing with desire to the one from opposite sex and etc.In this case If you want or not your glance will fall on those persons.You should not look her him next time.

goodluck,
respectfully D

[referee]

Someone told me that I would look to women with 'cloth' on the street but thats not correct.I m alhamdulillah afraid of Allah and his punnishment,thus I know and follow the hadith that all the things that lead to Zina(Intercource without Nikah) are be counted like Zina-including glancing with desire to the one from opposite sex and etc.In this case If you want or not your glance will fall on those persons.You should not look her him next time.

goodluck,
respectfully D

deadman,

a word of friendly advice, if you are indeed afraid of Allah, then you should also have fear of bad tamper and bad words - just as Rasul pbuh warned us in his Hadith.

[Abu Hurayra]

deadman,

a word of friendly advice, if you are indeed afraid of Allah, then you should also have fear of bad tamper and bad words - just as Rasul pbuh warned us in his Hadith.

For sure,
as I said I was a little nervous
shayton bir asabiylashtirib bir ikki notugri suz chiqqan bulsa uzr.
(har bir suzni yozishdan oldin uylab gunoh qilib qoymiykanimmi deb uylab kurib keyin yozaman,bu holatda faqat bir ikki suzni qupol manolini ishlatimmanmi nima)
Sorry one more time...
thanks bro...jazakumollohu hayrun...

:cool: hurmat bilan D

[lavelaso]

For sure,
as I said I was a little nervous
shayton bir asabiylashtirib bir ikki notugri suz chiqqan bulsa uzr.
(har bir suzni yozishdan oldin uylab gunoh qilib qoymiykanimmi deb uylab kurib keyin yozaman,bu holatda faqat bir ikki suzni qupol manolini ishlatimmanmi nima)
Sorry one more time...
thanks bro...jazakumollohu hayrun...

:cool: hurmat bilan D

DAMN DUDE, u sound like a virgin.

[Gareeb]

Whats wrong if he is virgin?

[lavelaso]

Whats wrong if he is virgin?

nothing wrong are u ?

[Alchemist]

depends on how old is he.

Whats wrong if he is virgin?

[lavelaso]

Frankly it is like u guys trying to tell everyone not to have sex untill u get married, am i understanding u correctly ?
If it is so, so probably u are bunch of losers who cannot get laid and therefore telling everyone to do the same not to have sex, just to raise ur self estem and not to think that u are bunch of nerds.
And u dont need to bind everything to religion, thats stupid, u r just trying to tell your ideology and supporting it with Islam, thats not right. If u think what u think and tell it in your words dont mix it with Islam.
And dont look at sexy girls if u dont like too, why u tell everyone to follow your ideology ? this is strange.
Bring it on.

[Alchemist]

And whats with all that shayton thing, nobody is perfect in this world. If u wanna say that having sex with a girl or looking under her mini skirt trying to see her thongs is a sin?? C'mon man this is life.

[lavelaso]

And what about this attitude towards girls, if u want to see em wearing hijab, first put it on your girlfriend and familiy, girls and their families have brains too so u r not one who judges em.
Get a life dude.

[Alchemist]

Better get a p*ssy dude.

[Alchemist]

If he's more than 20 and he still is, thats wronger than wrong.

Whats wrong if he is virgin?

[Gareeb]

This is why he is urging to finish the virginity as soon as possible with legal ways

[Alchemist]

So having sex with a girl ur not married to is illegal??? man than im a criminal.

[breeze]

Gosh, we all have different opinions, so let the guy live the life he wants to live. I mean who cares if he's a virgin or not? I personally don't. It's his life, let him live it according to his own principles and let us live ours.

PS: Gareeb, did you imply he seeks marriage as a legal way to lose virginity?? I hope that's not the whole point of such marriage.

[lavelaso]

If its the only legal way to lose virginity.... Sue me.

[Gareeb]

So having sex with a girl ur not married to is illegal??? man than im a criminal.
Yes by shari'ah law it is illegal, you should be punished for this crime. Unfortunatly nowadays it is impossible so the punishment will be in hereafter .

[lavelaso]

Gosh, we all have different opinions, so let the guy live the life he wants to live. I mean who cares if he's a virgin or not? I personally don't. It's his life, let him live it according to his own principles and let us live ours.

PS: Gareeb, did you imply he seeks marriage as a legal way to lose virginity?? I hope that's not the whole point of such marriage.

No its just the stupid thread about nothing.

[lavelaso]

Yes by shari'ah law it is illegal, you should be punished for this crime. Unfortunatly nowadays it is impossible so the punishment will be in hereafter .

Dont mix the religion dude.

[Alchemist]

Yeah?? well i got news for u, u know that by those laws u also cant listen to music, using computers and watch tv. So u'll be punished too. And do u read namaz 5 times a day?? if yeah than im proud of u. If no than dont try to kick me knowledge.

[Gareeb]

Gosh, we all have different opinions, so let the guy live the life he wants to live. I mean who cares if he's a virgin or not? I personally don't. It's his life, let him live it according to his own principles and let us live ours.

PS: Gareeb, did you imply he seeks marriage as a legal way to lose virginity?? I hope that's not the whole point of such marriage.
No i said in half real half joke. But indeed the premarital , or out of marrige thees are all specified as illegal sexual action by shariah. The pint from the marriage is not to loose the virginty. Do not get me wrong.I wonder why we blame the girls as not being virgin but look how many boys are virgin before marriage.They should be condemned equilly as girls.

[Gareeb]

Yeah?? well i got news for u, u know that by those laws u also cant listen to music, using computers and watch tv. So u'll be punished too. And do u read namaz 5 times a day?? if yeah than im proud of u. If no than dont try to kick me knowledge.
Yes i do 5 times prayer a day. So what?

[Alchemist]

"if yeah than im proud of u"
Yes i do 5 times prayer a day. So what?

[breeze]

Yes by shari'ah law it is illegal, you should be punished for this crime. Unfortunatly nowadays it is impossible so the punishment will be in hereafter .

Unfortunately? So you agree with all sharia laws? And what is the punishment? Beating the woman to death by throwing stones? Thank God sharia is not used anymore

[Alchemist]

Znachit ti za to shtob zhenshina hodila v paranzhe??? Slushay a zachem togda zhenshine krasota esli na nee nelzya smotret??? ya lichno etogo ponyat ne mogu. ESli na moyu devushku vse smotryat ya toka rad etomu, cause that ass is mine.

[lavelaso]

Znachit ti za to shtob zhenshina hodila v paranzhe??? Slushay a zachem togda zhenshine krasota esli na nee nelzya smotret??? ya lichno etogo ponyat ne mogu. ESli na moyu devushku vse smotryat ya toka rad etomu, cause that ass is mine.

Ancient moral laws. Open ur eyes ppl its XXII century. Religion was created to control ppl. Religion was created by a man, not a woman, by a man it was created to control the women. Anyways way is yours im not judging u why u r ultra religious, so why u judge another ppl i dont understand that. Just lock yourself in your world and do your own bussines.. is that so hard? But u just going outside and telling everyone to be same as like you.

[Gareeb]

Qani edni hamma ham sendaqa fikrlasa naq qiyomat qoyim bo'lgan bo'lar edi. Agar sen diningni yoymasang boshqalar seni o'z diniga kiritmoqchi bo'ladi, qanday yashashni o'rgatadi, buzadi, zaharlaydi. Shuning uchun sof narsada mahkam turish kerak, birovning nogorasiga o'ynamaslik kerak. Mana Amerika majburlab bo'lsa ham o'zini chirik madaniyati tiqmoqchi bo'lyaptiku. Ular hammaga alq o'rgatyaptiku.

[lavelaso]

Qani edni hamma ham sendaqa fikrlasa naq qiyomat qoyim bo'lgan bo'lar edi. Agar sen diningni yoymasang boshqalar seni o'z diniga kiritmoqchi bo'ladi, qanday yashashni o'rgatadi, buzadi, zaharlaydi. Shuning uchun sof narsada mahkam turish kerak, birovning nogorasiga o'ynamaslik kerak. Mana Amerika majburlab bo'lsa ham o'zini chirik madaniyati tiqmoqchi bo'lyaptiku. Ular hammaga alq o'rgatyaptiku.

Nah u have beeen brainwashed. lack of information and so on. And u cannot, dictate ur ideology to another ppl, its just wrong. Others have their own beliefs, so its not true that everyone should be the same. There is no progress, only regress if everybody is the same.

[breeze]

Ancient moral laws. Open ur eyes ppl its XXII century. Religion was created to control ppl. Religion was created by a man, not a woman, by a man it was created to control the women. Anyways way is yours im not judging u why u r ultra religious, so why u judge another ppl i dont understand that. Just lock yourself in your world and do your own bussines.. is that so hard? But u just going outside and telling everyone to be same as like you.

Hey Lavelaso, did you read Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown? It had some interesting thoughts on this topic.

[lavelaso]

Hey Lavelaso, did you read Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown? It had some interesting thoughts on this topic.

Yes i did.

[Alchemist]

Da ladno on prosto sam neznaet o chem govorit, he just needs to get some girl. U know the power of the P.U.S.S.Y, thats y we men get our haircuts and try to dress fly.

Ancient moral laws. Open ur eyes ppl its XXII century. Religion was created to control ppl. Religion was created by a man, not a woman, by a man it was created to control the women. Anyways way is yours im not judging u why u r ultra religious, so why u judge another ppl i dont understand that. Just lock yourself in your world and do your own bussines.. is that so hard? But u just going outside and telling everyone to be same as like you.

[lavelaso]

Da ladno on prosto sam neznaet o chem govorit, he just needs to get some girl. U know the power of the P.U.S.S.Y, thats y we men get our haircuts and try to dress fly.

Hahahha who will give it to him ?
Or u just ask Gareeb
"Give it to me baby nice and slow
Lil' mama show me how you move it,
Go Ahead put ya back into it,
Do ya thang like there aint nothin to it,
Shake.. shake.. shake that ass girl. "

[Hellblazer]

let me say something: this guy is already disturbed, it's not SHAYTAN he has to blame but himself, if he looks @ chick he says it's SHAYTAN made him look, NOWAAAAAAY, or that girl is supposed to dress more appropriate and blah blah blah blah blah
this is all OLD TALK

[PainKiller]

let me say something: this guy is already disturbed, it's not SHAYTAN he has to blame but himself, if he looks @ chick he says it's SHAYTAN made him look, NOWAAAAAAY, or that girl is supposed to dress more appropriate and blah blah blah blah blah
this is all OLD TALK
wuahahahaahh. If he looks at a chick, it is not his-the cleans and the pure's faut. It's a fault of that Beach who did not cover her pretty face and made him look at her. wuahahahah U know, I feel ya, feel ya deepppp....:lol:

[Alchemist]

yeah and especially when she's wearing that short short skirt, how the hell are u supposed to miss that.

wuahahahaahh. If he looks at a chick, it is not his-the cleans and the pure's faut. It's a fault of that Beach who did not cover her pretty face and made him look at her. wuahahahah U know, I feel ya, feel ya deepppp....:lol:

[lavelaso]

wuahahahaahh. If he looks at a chick, it is not his-the cleans and the pure's faut. It's a fault of that Beach who did not cover her pretty face and made him look at her. wuahahahah U know, I feel ya, feel ya deepppp....:lol:

Are u high :) LMAO

[PainKiller]

Are u high :) LMAO
I wish I were. :lol: :lol:

[Abu Hurayra]

Too many bla blabers arppeared since my last post,

Many goverments made the religion apart from like so People lost moral thats the main bases of human life,that resultet legalize homosexuality,lesbians and prostitues child porno and etc.If you forget the right religion you will lose your humanity anmd turn to animal.Animals have multiple sex partners,they dont even get jealous they dont care-Having a brain and doing such dubiousty is the worst and the very bottom level of human behaivor.Here I see many guys forget about their religion and followed had their brain washed by western culture-Because they offer more 'freedom' and anarchy(THey can do any thing,dont care about religion).What a pity,If its the meaning of your life and what a pity is you continue living like animals do.
...forexample look what resultet in these days this kind of 'freedom':

-No Jealousy that resultet your wife girl daughter to get f**d.
-You are proud that guys glancing your girlfeinds body-DOnt worry you r not only tthe guy that walks with her,
-Men, women have partners even after their marriage
-sisters brothers have intercource together;
-Father f***s his daughter
-mother got f**d with his own son
It really stinks,
If you are not believer you have not got goal,If you got you only got a material goal which is only for this world like 'I dont care'
Guys learn to use correctly wisely the part of your body above your shoulders.

One day you will be sorry...
This day is very very close...



PS:Someguys said here apply Islam to yourself first:
Me ALhamdulillah follow All the orders of Allah and SUnnah of our prophet.
My family members are also dress as Allah ordered.Guys you all will answer for all your deeds even every word you typed here,becarefull dont speak from the speak of Shaytan.This is not the Materialistik Issue or Materialistik debate where you can endless bla bla bla.Speak wisely.


PS:Yahdikumullohu Yusluhu Ba'alakum
(Let ALlah leads you towards Hidaya)

respectfully D

[Alchemist]

U know man u got a point i accept that, but if a women cheats on me that's her problem if she doesn't loves me much to keep her loyalty to me, f*k her than if she does that, it means she's not a women for me. Believe me if a real lady luves someone, no guy will get her attention, its just the job of the guy to keep her loving him. And dont kick here about religion, im proud of being a muslim. Let me get one thing straight, only god can judge me, and judge my lifestyle. Parents have sex with their children???? where did u get that sick thing, and y u brought it into this conversation. Clear ur eyes ur not a hero, get attention on ur life dont be bothered about others. Take care.



Too many bla blabers arppeared since my last post,

Many goverments made the religion apart from like so People lost moral thats the main bases of human life,that resultet legalize homosexuality,lesbians and prostitues child porno and etc.If you forget the right religion you will lose your humanity anmd turn to animal.Animals have multiple sex partners,they dont even get jealous they dont care-Having a brain and doing such dubiousty is the worst and the very bottom level of human behaivor.Here I see many guys forget about their religion and followed had their brain washed by western culture-Because they offer more 'freedom' and anarchy(THey can do any thing,dont care about religion).What a pity,If its the meaning of your life and what a pity is you continue living like animals do.
...forexample look what resultet in these days this kind of 'freedom':

-No Jealousy that resultet your wife girl daughter to get f**d.
-You are proud that guys glancing your girlfeinds body-DOnt worry you r not only tthe guy that walks with her,
-Men, women have partners even after their marriage
-sisters brothers have intercource together;
-Father f***s his daughter
-mother got f**d with his own son
It really stinks,
If you are not believer you have not got goal,If you got you only got a material goal which is only for this world like 'I dont care'
Guys learn to use correctly wisely the part of your body above your shoulders.

One day you will be sorry...
This day is very very close...



PS:Someguys said here apply Islam to yourself first:
Me ALhamdulillah follow All the orders of Allah and SUnnah of our prophet.
My family members are also dress as Allah ordered.Guys you all will answer for all your deeds even every word you typed here,becarefull dont speak from the speak of Shaytan.This is not the Materialistik Issue or Materialistik debate where you can endless bla bla bla.Speak wisely.


PS:Yahdikumullohu Yusluhu Ba'alakum
(Let ALlah leads you towards Hidaya)

respectfully D

[referee]

Frankly it is like u guys trying to tell everyone not to have sex untill u get married, am i understanding u correctly ?
If it is so, so probably u are bunch of losers who cannot get laid and therefore telling everyone to do the same not to have sex, just to raise ur self estem and not to think that u are bunch of nerds.
And u dont need to bind everything to religion, thats stupid, u r just trying to tell your ideology and supporting it with Islam, thats not right. If u think what u think and tell it in your words dont mix it with Islam.
And dont look at sexy girls if u dont like too, why u tell everyone to follow your ideology ? this is strange.
Bring it on.

You are wrong, getting laid in Europe and US is easier than refraining from it, os a loser is who can't control his whims.
If you believe that humanity owes its creation to God rather than to evolution from monkeys, then you'd follow the canons of the Creator, not the jungle rules that everything goes!
You are welcome to feel free to express your preference for the ideology of promiscuity and amorality, so let others feel free to express their moral views as well, as long as we all keep it civilised...

[referee]

And whats with all that shayton thing, nobody is perfect in this world. If u wanna say that having sex with a girl or looking under her mini skirt trying to see her thongs is a sin?? C'mon man this is life.

Agree no one is perfect, but the absence of vision and perspective is a huge problem. Yes, there are many temptations in life, some good some bad, the point is to be able to differentiate and strive (in earnest) for the good while refraining from the bad. It may sound uncool to some people who may have automatically embraced the concept of 'freedom' while overseas, but the true cool thing is to figure out what freedom should realy mean given our religion and background!

[referee]

If he's more than 20 and he still is, thats wronger than wrong.

i think you are wrong. I have known men and women in their late 20s and early 30s who have kept it cool till they could marry - they didn't look or behave abnormally;)

[referee]

Unfortunately? So you agree with all sharia laws? And what is the punishment? Beating the woman to death by throwing stones? Thank God sharia is not used anymore

That's a narrow understanding, publisized by Western media, of sharia if understood in stones & flogging. The point is that in sharia or other secular legal systems there are crimes and punishments, the only difference is that in secular system laws originate from certain groups of people and in sharia laws are derived from the words of God.

[referee]

Znachit ti za to shtob zhenshina hodila v paranzhe??? Slushay a zachem togda zhenshine krasota esli na nee nelzya smotret??? ya lichno etogo ponyat ne mogu. ESli na moyu devushku vse smotryat ya toka rad etomu, cause that ass is mine.

it's up to a woman to wear it or not, but wearing modestly is a preference.

Are you saysing women's beauty is there for men to enjoy and exploit, just like a statue, poster , what else? That pretty back side ain't yours, it's your lady's, we can see hear typical possessive and commodity attitude to women, and yet these attitudes are popular not only among men 9we know why) but also among women (brainwash perhaps)!

[referee]

Ancient moral laws. Open ur eyes ppl its XXII century. Religion was created to control ppl. Religion was created by a man, not a woman, by a man it was created to control the women. Anyways way is yours im not judging u why u r ultra religious, so why u judge another ppl i dont understand that. Just lock yourself in your world and do your own bussines.. is that so hard? But u just going outside and telling everyone to be same as like you.

Morals can't be ancient, and not everything 'modern' is good, moral and desirable! Your view of religion is absorbed with Marxist atheism, which is old-fashioned and out-dated even among neo-Marxists themselves;)

[Alchemist]

Let women act how they want. It's not the lifestyle that west gave me, it's the lifestyle i have choosen. And who told u anything about a poster or smth??? look we are all human beings. God didnt create women for men. It's my life and it's ur life, if u dont like staring at women then dont, i will cause i like it.

it's up to a woman to wear it or not, but wearing modestly is a preference.

Are you saysing women's beauty is there for men to enjoy and exploit, just like a statue, poster , what else? That pretty back side ain't yours, it's your lady's, we can see hear typical possessive and commodity attitude to women, and yet these attitudes are popular not only among men 9we know why) but also among women (brainwash perhaps)!

[referee]

Let women act how they want. It's not the lifestyle that west gave me, it's the lifestyle i have choosen. And who told u anything about a poster or smth??? look we are all human beings. God didnt create women for men. It's my life and it's ur life, if u dont like staring at women then dont, i will cause i like it.

Agree on women's deciding for themselves.
On poster, if people like showing off themselves or their partners, then it's a 'poster' mentality, imho.
God didn't create women for men (that's Christian canon), but God also did not create men or women to flout his rules or ignore them altogether.
I'm not here to tell you or others what to do but merely to discuss issues - particulars of individuals are not my concern;)

[Abu Hurayra]

Here nobody pretending to be a here or somebody like that.
Take it easy,Here we are just to share and to advice somehow eachother about this matter.Here no one forces anybody.Only Allah can judge us.
Our task is just to remind...

those facts I brought were just small pieces,If you want you can google.

PS:The real muslim is that when he/she performs kalimai shahada with language and with heart.
With saying 'Ashhadu anla Ilaha Illallahu va ashhaduanna muhammadar-Rasullallah' You accept there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad (saw) is a prophet from Allah. Now you must be responcible for your saying.As you sayed this you must accept all the farz's (orders) wether you want or not because its order from Allah that created you and you must follow the sunnah as you pretend to be a Muslim.
From the Hadiths we know that the first group of people who will enter the Hell(Jahannam) will be the Munafiqs(who just pretend to be muslim but did not follow the Farz of Allah and were against the sunnah).
From another Hadith we know that at yawmul qiyamah(Judjement day ) a group of people who used to say that they were Muslim will reborn among the Nonbelievers and Kafirs,they will be surprised and they will ask why they were among that teem-they will be said that They pretended to be a muslim but they behaived like kafirs(doing all prohibited things-drinking alchahol,making zina-having close relations with non mahrams etc).

PS:Users Dont take these comments personally,I spoke general.Dont get annoyed, we love you all for the sake of Allah thus we trying to somehow speak goodwords that maybe helpfull for you.

Calm down:...when you sure that you are calmed down here listen some lectures:in russian,tatar and uzbek.
www.toislam.com (http://www.toislam.com)

Nafsimizani ortaga quyib bir uylaylik,Aytgan suzimizga qarab togri amal qilayapmizmi,Biror bir boshligimiz yoki rahbarimiz bizning honamizga kirib qolsa ish qilayatgandek kurinamiz,yoki biror bir mehmondorchilikka biror bir joyga borsak chiroyli kiyimlar hushbuy hidlar sepib boramiz,Kundan kunga Ohiratga Ollohni huzuriga yaqinlashib borayatgan ekanmiz,Ollohga yoqadigan iymon libosimizga ham etibor berayapmizmi,Libossiz borib tagin abadiy azabda qolib ketmaylik,Ollohni oldida bLibosimizni mumkin qadar chiroyli qilib boraylik brodarlar opa singilllar.Uz dinimizni sariq chaqaga yoki dunyoni 3-4 kunlik kayfu safosiga sotmaylik.


hurmat va ehtirom bilan,haqlarimizga duo qilib qoluvchi D.

[Webbie]

Dear Webbie,

I could advice people to go party,To have a multiple girlfrieds multiple boyfrieds or to go for prostitutes if only I wished people bad.If you will think without not taking account the religion its logically and healthy to have a certain legal wife, husband with whom you can share your life.
...animals also eat,they have an intercource with different partners and they sleep in warm place...and etc...But we are the people we got mind that animals have not.We must use it.We must not behaive like animals.
Here I do not want to read you a moral but I like people I dont wish them bad things,so these words were the best words I could wish even for me...

goodluck,Merry as soon as possible :)

respectfully D

No brainwash plz.

People indeed should not beahve like animals. They must study, educate themselves, persue a certain career. First, become stable (financially, or in any other way that is possible), find the woman (man) they would want to spend their life with, decide whether or not they are mature enough to accept the numerous responsibilites that come with marriage...and than marry. If a person, at a very young age, just goes out or asks their parents to find a wife (husband) for him/her...what are the chances they will be happy together?

Once again, I respect your point of view and encourage you to persue your goals and 'morals' but I dont think it is appropriate to make other people think and even act the way you think is the 'correct, muslim' way....

Sincerely, WEbbie

[breeze]

That's a narrow understanding, publisized by Western media, of sharia if understood in stones & flogging. The point is that in sharia or other secular legal systems there are crimes and punishments, the only difference is that in secular system laws originate from certain groups of people and in sharia laws are derived from the words of God.


it's not a narrow udnerstanding it's just a fact. A punishment for adultery according to sharia is stoning. I refered only to this part of sharia in my post, and I did not say that sharia is all about this.

[breeze]

Many goverments made the religion apart from like so People lost moral thats the main bases of human life,that resultet legalize homosexuality,lesbians and prostitues child porno and etc.If you forget the right religion you will lose your humanity anmd turn to animal.Animals have multiple sex partners,they dont even get jealous they dont care-Having a brain and doing such dubiousty is the worst and the very bottom level of human behaivor.Here I see many guys forget about their religion and followed had their brain washed by western culture-Because they offer more 'freedom' and anarchy(THey can do any thing,dont care about religion).What a pity,If its the meaning of your life and what a pity is you continue living like animals do.
...forexample look what resultet in these days this kind of 'freedom':

-No Jealousy that resultet your wife girl daughter to get f**d.
-You are proud that guys glancing your girlfeinds body-DOnt worry you r not only tthe guy that walks with her,
-Men, women have partners even after their marriage
-sisters brothers have intercource together;
-Father f***s his daughter
-mother got f**d with his own son
It really stinks,

Well first of all no one legalized child porno, as about homosexuality, it was always there, it’s just that people became more open about talking about it. You can’t outlaw homosexuality, because it’s just a sexual preference certain people are born with, you’re either queer or not – you can’t treat it, you can’t make people be normal, it’s not like it’s their choice to be that way.



As about the second part of your post, especially the whole family part of it is sick, man. Those are probably single cases that happen in any culture and it’s not in any way encouraged by the “freedom” you were referring to. And jealousy still exists, as long as it’s within certain limits and is not based on stupid assumptions. As about people feeling proud when others look at your gf/bf – well, you can’t hide this person from the rest of the world right? If the person is beautiful, never mind the dress code, everyone is going to be looking at this person no matter what. So what are you going to do? As long as you’re self-confident enough and you trust your partner, there will be no problems. If however, you’re lacking these qualities the jealousy comes into play, which is often without any ground.

[lavelaso]

Too many bla blabers arppeared since my last post,

Many goverments made the religion apart from like so People lost moral thats the main bases of human life,that resultet legalize homosexuality,lesbians and prostitues child porno and etc.If you forget the right religion you will lose your humanity anmd turn to animal.Animals have multiple sex partners,they dont even get jealous they dont care-Having a brain and doing such dubiousty is the worst and the very bottom level of human behaivor.Here I see many guys forget about their religion and followed had their brain washed by western culture-Because they offer more 'freedom' and anarchy(THey can do any thing,dont care about religion).What a pity,If its the meaning of your life and what a pity is you continue living like animals do.
...forexample look what resultet in these days this kind of 'freedom':

-No Jealousy that resultet your wife girl daughter to get f**d.
-You are proud that guys glancing your girlfeinds body-DOnt worry you r not only tthe guy that walks with her,
-Men, women have partners even after their marriage
-sisters brothers have intercource together;
-Father f***s his daughter
-mother got f**d with his own son
It really stinks,
If you are not believer you have not got goal,If you got you only got a material goal which is only for this world like 'I dont care'
Guys learn to use correctly wisely the part of your body above your shoulders.

One day you will be sorry...
This day is very very close...



PS:Someguys said here apply Islam to yourself first:
Me ALhamdulillah follow All the orders of Allah and SUnnah of our prophet.
My family members are also dress as Allah ordered.Guys you all will answer for all your deeds even every word you typed here,becarefull dont speak from the speak of Shaytan.This is not the Materialistik Issue or Materialistik debate where you can endless bla bla bla.Speak wisely.


PS:Yahdikumullohu Yusluhu Ba'alakum
(Let ALlah leads you towards Hidaya)

respectfully D

Aigh yo, keep it simple, as i can see u r just runing from one side to another and i dont see any exact form of your point in here.
As i understood u correctly, did u say u need to be virgin untill u marry ?
And support it without Islam, with your own thoughts. please.

[lavelaso]

You are wrong, getting laid in Europe and US is easier than refraining from it, os a loser is who can't control his whims.
If you believe that humanity owes its creation to God rather than to evolution from monkeys, then you'd follow the canons of the Creator, not the jungle rules that everything goes!
You are welcome to feel free to express your preference for the ideology of promiscuity and amorality, so let others feel free to express their moral views as well, as long as we all keep it civilised...

We are not talking about canons of Creator and how to follow them here. One thing u are explainin to me how to survive abroad being single ? WTF ? it doenst make any sense, why should i be single ? cause im muslim ? or cause i believe in Allah ?
And on another hand the guy is dictating his point of view, no way Jose, none can dictate what to do.

[lavelaso]

Morals can't be ancient, and not everything 'modern' is good, moral and desirable! Your view of religion is absorbed with Marxist atheism, which is old-fashioned and out-dated even among neo-Marxists themselves;)

And referee stop saying youre wrong or youre right, what are u ? A judge?
You dont even know my view on religion so dont judge it, u dont know me, so dont judge. Go with a flow.

[referee]

And referee stop saying youre wrong or youre right, what are u ? A judge?
You dont even know my view on religion so dont judge it, u dont know me, so dont judge. Go with a flow.

I'm just a humble referee:D ON right and wrong - i'm only expressing myself on the outlined views and opinions without passing judgement and discussing your other views, which are not mentioned here. If you feel uncomfortable talking about certain issues, do let me know and I will avoid discussing that with you;)

[referee]

We are not talking about canons of Creator and how to follow them here. One thing u are explainin to me how to survive abroad being single ? WTF ? it doenst make any sense, why should i be single ? cause im muslim ? or cause i believe in Allah ?
And on another hand the guy is dictating his point of view, no way Jose, none can dictate what to do.

We are talking about SURVIVING as a single, which ABOVE ALL implies a) being single, b) succeed in work&study abroad and c) keep your soul away from Nafs, i.e. soul-survival. So if a single person can't handle (c) while abroad, then he should consider changing option (a), provided (b) allows for that. I appreciate that to some saving soul is not as important as success in work or study - then it's a different issue. I'm talking from the standpoint that working on person's faith is crucial, other may disagree on this.

[lavelaso]

I'm just a humble referee:D ON right and wrong - i'm only expressing myself on the outlined views and opinions without passing judgement and discussing your other views, which are not mentioned here. If you feel uncomfortable talking about certain issues, do let me know and I will avoid discussing that with you;)

well express yourself humble referee without judgin people, would ya ? thank you. Express your opinions without crossing with mine. You can ask me why do i think certain way, but there are no ways u can say it wrong or right about it. I think if u do, i feel like that u dont respect my opinion and my opinion in certain way is insulting you. Just be yourself, simple and honor.

[lavelaso]

We are talking about SURVIVING as a single, which ABOVE ALL implies a) being single, b) succeed in work&study abroad and c) keep your soul away from Nafs, i.e. soul-survival. So if a single person can't handle (c) while abroad, then he should consider changing option (a), provided (b) allows for that. I appreciate that to some saving soul is not as important as success in work or study - then it's a different issue. I'm talking from the standpoint that working on person's faith is crucial, other may disagree on this.

Okay,let me tell that in this way :

WHAT IF I DONT WANT TO BE SINGLE ?

I know how to survive abroad, im just looking at your post and i have this questions, why should i listen to you ? dont i have my own head? cant i survive without your help ? And you know whats so interesting about it :
YES I CAN, so i have this conclusion, if not only me can survive abroad without your help, why do u post such a threads? and then again u bind it with Islam. Or you think every muslim abroad will follow your thread cause you mentioned the prophers words in there? However they afraid of God, u cannot manipulate em with your "How to survive abroad" + "That was in Islam" (and if u not follow this u will be sinner.) Am i clear? Thats just wrong.
Peace out.

[Alchemist]

First of all If I would wanna marry, I would marry a person whom i knew for sometime. A person, who i luv, a person who has my trust and respect, a person who i feel will always be there for me. Surviving as single abroad?? what u know about that??? To survive as a single, you need brain, and balls, not women.

We are talking about SURVIVING as a single, which ABOVE ALL implies a) being single, b) succeed in work&study abroad and c) keep your soul away from Nafs, i.e. soul-survival. So if a single person can't handle (c) while abroad, then he should consider changing option (a), provided (b) allows for that. I appreciate that to some saving soul is not as important as success in work or study - then it's a different issue. I'm talking from the standpoint that working on person's faith is crucial, other may disagree on this.

[PainKiller]

We are talking about SURVIVING as a single, which ABOVE ALL implies a) being single, b) succeed in work&study abroad and c) keep your soul away from Nafs, i.e. soul-survival. So if a single person can't handle (c) while abroad, then he should consider changing option (a), provided (b) allows for that. I appreciate that to some saving soul is not as important as success in work or study - then it's a different issue. I'm talking from the standpoint that working on person's faith is crucial, other may disagree on this.
So U should change your question into this one: How to survive to those singles who are n ot strong enough to deal with all the challenges by themselves...
So Husband/Wife, in ur point, is a fence in between u and sinning? That's so ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Abu Hurayra]

No brainwash plz.

People indeed should not beahve like animals. They must study, educate themselves, persue a certain career. First, become stable (financially, or in any other way that is possible), find the woman (man) they would want to spend their life with, decide whether or not they are mature enough to accept the numerous responsibilites that come with marriage...and than marry. If a person, at a very young age, just goes out or asks their parents to find a wife (husband) for him/her...what are the chances they will be happy together?

Once again, I respect your point of view and encourage you to persue your goals and 'morals' but I dont think it is appropriate to make other people think and even act the way you think is the 'correct, muslim' way....

Sincerely, WEbbie

Dear Webbie,
thanks for repply,I do apraciate your words.Here the case you are talking about is another issue,education,financial bases maturity and the other factors you have mentioned.I agree with them.Additionally to your words I want to say that Making all by your own is better (I mean getting education,successifully gratuate and have a proper job based on what build the material bases of your family).Because If you will have all this opportunity ready from your parents you will not really feel how does these costed to you and you will not properly know the value of it.

to all,

Speaking the truth today many of us forgetting the moral whether they are believers or not. As we all know Humanbeing is not complete only with physicality(body) ,We have got soul too.One day we will all die.Our bodies will ruin in 30-40-50 or more years.but the remaining part soul will stay.this concept is still the base concepts in the worlds mosts religions.
Nowadays we are only thinking about our bodies.We are feeding our bodies we are looking after it,We are satisfing our needs.But we are forgetting our souls.Our soul also needs something to eat-thats the right moral based on right religion.
Here many guys asked not to mix the religion.Why not than Let them bring their concept of their life(Whats their culture In what they believe,Do they believe at all,Have they got a goal from this life).Let us than share their believes or concepts.
Here nobody dictating his/her idea we r just sharing them,to accept or ignore is your choice.
Here we are not to critisize each other without respect.Everybody have an right to have their own ideology to have their opinion about the issue.Let us respect eachothers opinion.
For example At the beginning of this thread I introduced with the problem of the topic,and suggested my advice based of my cultural and religional background,Let everybody come with their opinions let let us discuss and if we have questiuons let us share with answers to them.We are enough grown ups let us try to solve the problem with diplomacy and respect to eachother if possible bring some links(web sources to your arguement)

By calling this topic ''How to survive for singles in abroud'' I meant how to keep healthy both-Materiality(our body) and Spirituality of ourself.
As you know plane has two wings if one wing will be strong and the other will be weak this plane will not fly far.It will fall down.Humanbeing is also like Plane If he/she will be materially strong(healthy goodlooking body,stable financial background etc) and spiritually weak(morally spoiled etc) he will not have a future.Maybe for some period he/she will feel happy but one day it will be very very pity for him/her and it will be forever.

We know that Individuals are the bases of the family,Family is the bases of society(thats government).Let us imagine the society as a building.The individuals are the bases of this building let them be bricks.If there will be more ruined bricks(morally spoiled individuals) at the fundament of this building this building will not last long.Thus this ruined brick will ruin the other bricks to and as a result the roof of this building will also ruin.Here you will have all this building totally ruined oneday.What I want to say that we must at first correct our selves,than care about others thus oneday we will have a strong building based on strong fundament.If we will not have a chance to see this building let our next generation to see it.

PS:thanks for your time concuming,sorry if I took your time...

take care of eachother,
forever respectfully D,

[Webbie]

Dear Webbie,
thanks for repply,I do apraciate your words.Here the case you are talking about is another issue,education,financial bases maturity and the other factors you have mentioned.I agree with them.Additionally to your words I want to say that Making all by your own is better (I mean getting education,successifully gratuate and have a proper job based on what build the material bases of your family).Because If you will have all this opportunity ready from your parents you will not really feel how does these costed to you and you will not properly know the value of it.

to all,

Speaking the truth today many of us forgetting the moral whether they are believers or not. As we all know Humanbeing is not complete only with physicality(body) ,We have got soul too.One day we will all die.Our bodies will ruin in 30-40-50 or more years.but the remaining part soul will stay.this concept is still the base concepts in the worlds mosts religions.
Nowadays we are only thinking about our bodies.We are feeding our bodies we are looking after it,We are satisfing our needs.But we are forgetting our souls.Our soul also needs something to eat-thats the right moral based on right religion.
Here many guys asked not to mix the religion.Why not than Let them bring their concept of their life(Whats their culture In what they believe,Do they believe at all,Have they got a goal from this life).Let us than share their believes or concepts.
Here nobody dictating his/her idea we r just sharing them,to accept or ignore is your choice.
Here we are not to critisize each other without respect.Everybody have an right to have their own ideology to have their opinion about the issue.Let us respect eachothers opinion.
For example At the beginning of this thread I introduced with the problem of the topic,and suggested my advice based of my cultural and religional background,Let everybody come with their opinions let let us discuss and if we have questiuons let us share with answers to them.We are enough grown ups let us try to solve the problem with diplomacy and respect to eachother if possible bring some links(web sources to your arguement)

By calling this topic ''How to survive for singles in abroud'' I meant how to keep healthy both-Materiality(our body) and Spirituality of ourself.
As you know plane has two wings if one wing will be strong and the other will be weak this plane will not fly far.It will fall down.Humanbeing is also like Plane If he/she will be materially strong(healthy goodlooking body,stable financial background etc) and spiritually weak(morally spoiled etc) he will not have a future.Maybe for some period he/she will feel happy but one day it will be very very pity for him/her and it will be forever.

We know that Individuals are the bases of the family,Family is the bases of society(thats government).Let us imagine the society as a building.The individuals are the bases of this building let them be bricks.If there will be more ruined bricks(morally spoiled individuals) at the fundament of this building this building will not last long.Thus this ruined brick will ruin the other bricks to and as a result the roof of this building will also ruin.Here you will have all this building totally ruined oneday.What I want to say that we must at first correct our selves,than care about others thus oneday we will have a strong building based on strong fundament.If we will not have a chance to see this building let our next generation to see it.

PS:thanks for your time concuming,sorry if I took your time...

take care of eachother,
forever respectfully D,

I appriciate your elaborate response :) I just felt that you were pushing a little with your previous posts and that you were tryin to blame others or show that your 'morale' is the right one. Now i see what you mean and as I said before: if thats the way you feel I respect that

Still stick with my own principles
Cheers, Webbie ;)

[Gareeb]

yes I apreciate him , it is not easy to survive only with mast.... There is no option exept marriage. Bcz the masturbation is prohibited as well...Or to fast

[PainKiller]

. Bcz the masturbation is to fast
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Huh, How should it be taken?;)

[Abu Hurayra]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Huh, How should it be taken?;)

I think there was missunderstanding. He meant above stated action was prohibated so suggested to marry or to fast.


take care,
respectfully D

[Mistermark]

Ancient moral laws. Open ur eyes ppl its XXII century. Religion was created to control ppl. Religion was created by a man, not a woman, by a man it was created to control the women.

Religion was created by the Almighty - you can call him God or Allah, it's the same - to help guide people to lead fulfilling lives. It wasn't created by a human being, male or female. Almost every religion in the world gives men responsibility for guiding and protecting women. It is the way of the world.

[nostalgia]

Well, we are just exchanging views here, right?

Okay!

Here’s mine. NO OFFENSE! :) (couldn't help it, sorry )

I believe we should take a logical approach to what’s been discussed in this cyber Hyde Park.

I suggest that there is a principal that can be an answer to every kind of problem, even for ‘how to survive abroad as a single’ (and maybe not ‘living abroad for singles’:) If we can agree on that principal I believe those questions will take care of themselves.

Too contentious, ha?

I once read something that quite affected me: ‘Intention and viewpoint change the nature of things.’ Wow! (read it again, let it sink :)

My argument is that before reaching a conclusion or going on talking, whatever’s been discussed here should actually base themselves on the typical questions: ‘Why am I here? Where am I going? or even Who am I? (Sounds so classical?)

The answer can easily be ‘Who cares?’ I can even hear this now (if not in an ‘f’ way :) from some people in this forum.

Right. The INTRO is coming:

Have you asked anyone (or yourself) what his/her biggest problem is? Education, career, spouse, luxury car, understanding, love, money...

Well, my answer would be ‘death’. Because, I cannot keep any kind of satisfaction with me for a long time (can you?). They just drift away. Whenever I remember death, I can’t concentrate on the sheer pleasure anything could be giving to me. Some of you have been mentioning about having a good time with the opposite gender, for instance, (which might be okay), but you just can’t save the pleasure and then call it back, so to speak. Tough luck!

And the good times linger on as long as we’ve health, right. Once the health is gone, then the good times are gone. Whoops. And then people will not listen to what you WANT and how you want to live YOUR life...

So, let’s apply the logical approach at this point.

Intro2 :)

Science used to be an instrument to announce that we are here on this planet just by coincidence. However, in this modern age, we know that the universe (let alone the earth) has been ‘created’, every field of science actually say that. We now know that a coincidence of such a system being formed itself is billion times impossible (with reference to present scientific knowledge) I think it was Einstein who said ‘there are two ways of looking at things: 1. There’s nothing like a miracle. 2. Everything is a miracle. (And the basic question might be: Who put the electron around the nucleus? Ok, too scientific, take it off the record.)

Climax: :)

Well, it might now be argued that we didn’t come to this world on our request, nor we’ll leave on purpose. From an economist’s point of view, if there’s no profit being awaited from the whole ‘investment’ that we see around (the sun, earth, actually the whole universe) everything would just be a waste. No need to invest in it! (And science says there’s nothing wasted in nature!)

Let me cut it short.

Conclusion:

Some people say that life’s just a game. I quite agree! Because, every game has certain rules.

OBEY THE RULES, WIN THE GAME!



So, intention and viewpoint can change the nature of things. Buy using our free will we’ll set our intention and our viewpoint. Only then we’ll understand and hopefully respect each other.

And we’ll see the results when the whole game is over.


Good Luck! :D

[Animator]

And dont kick here about religion, im proud of being a muslim.

LOL, :guill: being proud of being muslim. Having illegal sex, drinking alchohol, smoking cigarettes etc. makes you away from your religion. And how a person who does not know an R of the word Religion can tell that he is proud of being muslim?

Calm down and read Quran, then start arguing and other staff. Arguing without knowledge is an illusion.

N.B. To prove that person cheats, according to Shareea, there must be 4 witnesses (at least). In case if less than 4 it is not admitted as a fact.

Also the punishment for this is beating 100 times (according to health conditions of the person, if the judge sees that cheater cannot stand for that amount judge reduces punishment level).

[illusion]

Hi guys,
Its very difficult for singles (man-woman,boy-girl) in abroad.
If only you have a chance you need to merry.
for ins:Especially now when the most female creatures dress so that you go mad if you look them or Satan will lead you to wrong way.
So I advice you all forumers to find your partner (husband-wife) , and merry them based on religion rules as soon as possible.Otherwise Satan may infuence us all.

If you havent an opportunity to do it I advice you :

Not to go parties
Not to look to female creatures with a deep glance
Not to surve in XXX rated websites and this type of materials.
If you are Muslim believer make bonus(nafila) siyam-ruza

D

Well, this thread is very weird indeed...Why would you advice such a strange things?

I know temptation is very evil and it's very hard to control it...However, you, as a grown-up should have enough will power and strength to carry out your own decisions/actions.

Moreover, no one have to give up those things listed above. If you are strong enough to control your own actions, there is nothing bad in going to the parties, look at females and have some fun!

[lavelaso]

Well, this thread is very weird indeed...Why would you advice such a strange things?

I know temptation is very evil and it's very hard to control it...However, you, as a grown-up should have enough will power and strength to carry out your own decisions/actions.

Moreover, no one have to give up those things listed above. If you are strong enough to control your own actions, there is nothing bad in going to the parties, look at females and have some fun!

What i think is if your soul wants something dont reject it, just give it everything what it wants.

[illusion]

What i think is if your soul wants something dont reject it, just give it everything what it wants.

I would not say everything it wants...There are some restrictions in this life, which are based on moral law. You can follow your heart/mind/soul and do whatever you want, but it actually will make you a superior human being upon whom a moral law is not binding....

[lavelaso]

Souls should be free, wild spirit.
No moral law could restrict soul. U can restrict yourself in physical form, but not in spiritual. How big is your soul, it depends what u do for it. There are some ppl, u look at them and u see, depression or anxiety, fear or worries, thats why because they were limiting their soul demands.
And what about my soul... Its not your business :)

[Alchemist]

so what about soulmates, do u believe in that??? i dont, i belive that if a person meets someone and works on he's/her relationship, they can form a family. And wtf is soulmate??? she has the same interest??? i would be bored with that, aint right if she has the same interests.

Souls should be free, wild spirit.
No moral law could restrict soul. U can restrict yourself in physical form, but not in spiritual. How big is your soul, it depends what u do for it. There are some ppl, u look at them and u see, depression or anxiety, fear or worries, thats why because they were limiting their soul demands.
And what about my soul... Its not your business :)

[lavelaso]

so what about soulmates, do u believe in that??? i dont, i belive that if a person meets someone and works on he's/her relationship, they can form a family. And wtf is soulmate??? she has the same interest??? i would be bored with that, aint right if she has the same interests..

Soulmate is a friend. Can be girl or boy, but if its girl so u are fag :) lol. Girls and boyz never can be soulmates. I dont know, if i am wrong correct me.

[Alchemist]

well i dont know about that bull sh*t much too, so even if u're wrong i'm not the one to correct u.

.

Soulmate is a friend. Can be girl or boy, but if its girl so u are fag :) lol. Girls and boyz never can be soulmates. I dont know, if i am wrong correct me.

[referee]

well express yourself humble referee without judgin people, would ya ? thank you. Express your opinions without crossing with mine. You can ask me why do i think certain way, but there are no ways u can say it wrong or right about it. I think if u do, i feel like that u dont respect my opinion and my opinion in certain way is insulting you. Just be yourself, simple and honor.

Lavelaso,
Saying to a person that he's wrong and qualifying it does not mean judging or disrespecting - in most people's vocab!
You have a right to express your views, so have others - and if opinions clash, respectful people agree to disagree. I said once, if you feel uncomfortable or inappropriate that other people comment on or debate your views you could avoid posting them altogether. I will 'be myself' and comment on any views expressed in this forum in a respectful and sometimes critical manner.

[referee]

Okay,let me tell that in this way :

WHAT IF I DONT WANT TO BE SINGLE ?

I know how to survive abroad, im just looking at your post and i have this questions, why should i listen to you ? dont i have my own head? cant i survive without your help ? And you know whats so interesting about it :
YES I CAN, so i have this conclusion, if not only me can survive abroad without your help, why do u post such a threads? and then again u bind it with Islam. Or you think every muslim abroad will follow your thread cause you mentioned the prophers words in there? However they afraid of God, u cannot manipulate em with your "How to survive abroad" + "That was in Islam" (and if u not follow this u will be sinner.) Am i clear? Thats just wrong.
Peace out.

man, I know you can live and survive abroad - that's not a point, I'm not talking about your case. My point was that we should try to see 'surviving' in a broader sense which should include moral aspects of life. And when morals are concerned, then Islam is undeniably is the source, presuming the audience is Muslim. And if people take up my advice or not, I am not bothered because I'm not preaching but expressing myself on the issue - every one will be responsible for his deeds, thoughts and life in this life and thereafter. Hope this clarifies it and heals your concerns;)

[Abu Hurayra]

Well, this thread is very weird indeed...Why would you advice such a strange things?

I know temptation is very evil and it's very hard to control it...However, you, as a grown-up should have enough will power and strength to carry out your own decisions/actions.

Moreover, no one have to give up those things listed above. If you are strong enough to control your own actions, there is nothing bad in going to the parties, look at females and have some fun!


Dear Illution,
It seems you havent properly read the comments and the issue we were talking about here,I advice you to review my comments and you will understand why I was talking about.

I dont know from what culture you come from,but in my culture and in my religion Going to parties (a circumstance where males and females mixed,where they drink alcahol,stare each other,most parties have an intercourse with a stranger or mle/female) is prohibidet.
Because it results immoral situation that leads to zina(fornication).We all know that fornication leads to hell.We must avoid from all actions that lead to fornication.


Nastalgia:As you login,at the bottom of your post appears option commands like Edit/delete post and repply there you can edit your post(you can remove the size's ).Try it if you have a time,that would be kind of you.


respectfully D,

[Abu Hurayra]

Well, this thread is very weird indeed...Why would you advice such a strange things?

I know temptation is very evil and it's very hard to control it...However, you, as a grown-up should have enough will power and strength to carry out your own decisions/actions.

Moreover, no one have to give up those things listed above. If you are strong enough to control your own actions, there is nothing bad in going to the parties, look at females and have some fun!

Ассалому алейкум бродарлар опа сингиллар,

Купчилигимиз биз мусулмонмиз деб даво киламизу лекин билмаган нарсаларимиз хакида нотугри фикрлаймиз,бундан хам емони ва куркинчлиси-жаханнамга елтувчи амалларга бепарво булиб хатто уларни килишни тавсия киламиз ва бу еса нафакат узимизни балки бошкаларни хам Хак йулдан адаштириш булади,натижада узимизга катта гунох ортирган буламиз.
Бирор масала борасида билмасак,олдин укийлик ва хар хар бир сузимизга етибор берайлик,форум-бахс мунозара "демократия" деб тугри келганини гапиравермайлик.
Тугри бизга куп гарб "маданияти" таъсир килиб-Хар хил динимизга ахлокимизга зид келадиган нарсаларни хам оддий хол дек кабул юиладиган булганмиз.Кузимизмни очайлик,Качонгача гафлатда,узимизни динимиздан бохабар булиб утамиз.
Юкорида такитланганидек куп емон иллатлар бизга оддий холдек булиб колган булардан-Нотаниш номахрам аелга тикилиб караш,Еркаклар Аелллар бир жойда тупланиб ,баланд мусика остида сакраб,ичкиликбозлигу ва куп холларда айш-ишрат килиш вахоказо...
бу борада узимизни бироз босиб,Навсимизни кулга олайлик.

мана бу линклардаги бундай амалларни хукмини бир курайлик-зеро
фикримизни купрок бу фоний дуненинг киска муддатлик кайфу-сафоси учун емас балки охиратимизни уйлашга каратсак.
Оллох барчамизни хидоят сари бошласин,омийн,


http://www.islamnuri.com/jumanas/koznisaqlash.htm
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=9959
http://www.islamsa.org.za/library/pamphlets/zina_adultery_fornication.htm

Ассалому алейкум,

[referee]

So U should change your question into this one: How to survive to those singles who are n ot strong enough to deal with all the challenges by themselves...
So Husband/Wife, in ur point, is a fence in between u and sinning? That's so ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Read my answers again and you'll see it addresses exactly the post 'how to survive for singles in abroad', and it does NOT suggest that you must marry and stop being single!

What it says is that if you are single and abroad, then you SHOULD stay single physically and morally, and this meane refraining from sinful acts like fornication and temp solutions like relations of convenience, aka lovers.

Some people talk about STAYING single, and yet propagate BEING (sexually intercoursing) with the opposite sex - this is ILLOGICAL and CONTRADICTORY. So, my point was if people can't help themselves to STAY single then they should make sincere effort in SHARING their life in a meaningful and descent partnership, i.e. marriage.

yours,
R

[referee]

First of all If I would wanna marry, I would marry a person whom i knew for sometime. A person, who i luv, a person who has my trust and respect, a person who i feel will always be there for me. Surviving as single abroad?? what u know about that??? To survive as a single, you need brain, and balls, not women.

Alchemist,

We all, men, have similar expectations as you've described; you are no exceptino.
What do I know about being single abroad? - I'm single, abroad and think, hence my views on the topic. And on b&b, right, all men have b&b but the real question is how/when to use them...

[nostalgia]

Thanks for the tip, Deadman. Got rid of the 'size's.
By the way, is this nickname of yours from 'Dead Man Walking'? (Sean Penn)

[Abu Hurayra]

Thanks for the tip, Deadman. Got rid of the 'size's.
By the way, is this nickname of yours from 'Dead Man Walking'? (Sean Penn)


Hi Nostalgia,
happy to hear from you,
My Deadman has more history that Dead Man Walking,that film issued recently,

If you are not married yet ,I wish you could find your another part of your heart as soon as possible and marry him and make many children. :)


whatever goodluck,
keep strong,
keep taking breath,
keep your self safe


respectfully D

[nostalgia]

Thanks for the advice, bro. I'll think about your advice.

And for the ones who say they should do what the soul wants, they don't know what they are made of! It's not the soul. The term is the 'carnal self'...

[illusion]

Dear Illution,
It seems you havent properly read the comments and the issue we were talking about here,I advice you to review my comments and you will understand why I was talking about.

I dont know from what culture you come from,but in my culture and in my religion Going to parties (a circumstance where males and females mixed,where they drink alcahol,stare each other,most parties have an intercourse with a stranger or mle/female) is prohibidet.
Because it results immoral situation that leads to zina(fornication).We all know that fornication leads to hell.We must avoid from all actions that lead to fornication.

respectfully D,

What the hell are you talking about?

Frist of all, my nickname is Illusion not Illution!

Secondly, what kind of parties are you talking about? Are they some kind of sex-toy parties or smth like that? I was talking about normal type of parties, where you don't have to fornicate or commit any type of immoral actions. Moreover, it's not necessarily to drink alcohol, if you are strong enough, you'll be able to have fun without consuming any alcoholic beverage.

Thirdly, I see nothing wrong in looking/staring at each other. It's not a sin, as long as you don't have bad/dirty intentions...

In addition, you are not the one to tell me whether i understood your thread or not! The conlclusion I made from your thread is that you are a very weak person, who doesn't have a will power and wants to run away from the temptation by marrying someone! It's not the way to handle it.

IMHO

[Alchemist]

This guy doesnt knows how to live as a bachelor. I mean everyone wants to have a family and kids someday, but first u gotta find that person. I dont need a wife to cook food for me and clean for me, I've already learned how to do that, actually i even like doing all this stuff by myself. And by the way, there is always restaraunts and laundry service.

[lavelaso]

This guy doesnt knows how to live as a bachelor. I mean everyone wants to have a family and kids someday, but first u gotta find that person. I dont need a wife to cook food for me and clean for me, I've already learned how to do that, actually i even like doing all this stuff by myself. And by the way, there is always restaraunts and laundry service.

I think theseguys are ancient people.

[breeze]

Secondly, what kind of parties are you talking about? Are they some kind of sex-toy parties or smth like that? I was talking about normal type of parties, where you don't have to fornicate or commit any type of immoral actions. Moreover, it's not necessarily to drink alcohol, if you are strong enough, you'll be able to have fun without consuming any alcoholic beverage.


Word that. I dunno what kinda parties he goes to. I have many friends who are Muslims, who don't drink alcohol and keep their chastity and pray, who go to parties and don't have any problem with that. People go to parties to socialize, make new friendships, share their ideas, dance, listen/play some music, etc. And all those things as illusion said can be done without any alcohol comsuption or fornication involved. But it also depends on the people you hang out with. If you're good at picking your crowd, you're good to go. All you need to do is to be open minded.

[The Reaper]

Go to a bar, ALONE.
Sit down, start a chat with a bartender, turn off your cell phone, don't look around, buy yourself a drink, just sit and chill. Don't pay attention to your surroundings.
A girl WILL approach you, sooner or later. If not this time then next. If she offers to buy you a drink go ahead and take it. Don't get all jumpy and excited when ahe approaches you, because it will kill the whole thing. Be calm!

After 3-4 shots of vodka or whatever she drinks, she's good to go. ;) Bang away... :D

TR

[Abu Hurayra]

What the hell are you talking about?

Frist of all, my nickname is Illusion not Illution!


Hi,
thanks for your repply,
I see you r annoyed and nervous,calm down...This is just a typing mistake as you did in the beginning of your post "Frist of all",so take it easy,dont make tragedy from it.

Secondly, what kind of parties are you talking about? Are they some kind of sex-toy parties or smth like that? I was talking about normal type of parties, where you don't have to fornicate or commit any type of immoral actions. Moreover, it's not necessarily to drink alcohol, if you are strong enough, you'll be able to have fun without consuming any alcoholic beverage.

I was talking in general.Ofcource there are parties where people come together to communicate exchange culture and so on.I myself attended parties where diffirent students fromdifferant nationalities attended with their own national food,I made uzbek natiotal food Palov,It was realy delicious and was also interesting to see the foods of other nationalities.Our proffessors also came with their family,It was pretty good.But accept the fact that mostly are not acceptable in our culture and religion.Maybe its acceptable in other cultures.I just spoke based on my culture.


Thirdly, I see nothing wrong in looking/staring at each other. It's not a sin, as long as you don't have bad/dirty intentions...

Here becarefull of your words,The case is not your point of view or mine.In Muslims holy book and from Hadith we clearly know that its sin.If you deny this than you will deny the Religion.I dont know the religion from where you come from,but I strongly ask you to think about your words.Thanks to Agent-Ismat he brought the source where you can clearly get acquainted with this issue:
http://www.islamnuri.com/jumanas/koznisaqlash.htm (http://www.webwarper.net/ww/~av/www.islamnuri.com/jumanas/koznisaqlash.htm?*)


In addition, you are not the one to tell me whether i understood your thread or not! The conlclusion I made from your thread is that you are a very weak person, who doesn't have a will power and wants to run away from the temptation by marrying someone! It's not the way to handle it.

IMHO

As I said before I m here just to share with our sugestions and opinions about this issue.Ok its your Idea keep it with you.I dont say that I m the best.But I am afraid about the punnishment of Allah.So I try to avoid these kind of immoral acts that leads me to hell,Hell is forever,heaven is also.I do not want to sell my position in the Judgement day for a short,artificial pleasures in the world.
I see again you did not carefully read even my first post where I adviced several options: marrying was only the one option,I did not say that its only the one way.

So calm down we are not kids,Let us learn how to properly communicate with each other based on respect and moral.
We are not here just to critisize eachother,let us just share our solutions to this problems.I opened this thread not only thinking egoistic.I opened this thread because its very important topic for the people our ages.Because I have seen many people who spoiled morally after coming to Euroupe,some even caught dangereous illnesses as a result of those acts stated above.As a humanbeing I love the other humanbeings too,so I dont want them to be dieng in front of my eyes.

take care,
dont care about only about yourself, care about the people around you
regarding their nationality and culture.Thus humanbeing populated from one father and mother.


PS:Sorry if I annoyed someone,dont take these words personally,

respectfully D,

[nostalgia]

Hi all!

I believe Deadman's got a point there.

Plus, how can we try to settle the rules of the life game we're in anyway? Can you say to a referee of a soccer game that it wasn't a foul you committed because you BELIEVE that way? Or, do you think you can avoid imprisonment for having killed someone because you have an OPEN MIND and FELT that it was the right thing to do and you gotta give your SOUL whatever it wants? Ridiculous!

I think it's worth giving a try to what many people say. There is an afterlife and we're here to be tested. The tests have been tailored to individual conditions and the questions are all different. We can do what we want as long as we can justify our actions.

Well, let's face the downside of it:
At the end of the day, you'll lose a life!

So what! If there's no afterlife, is it worth living at all?