Should the Internet be Regulated by Government?

[stanford]

Should the Internet be regulated by government,what do you think? I personally think it should be regulated so they can track the source of crime heads.

[coolio]

Well, stanford, technically they can't really regulate it. Even if they wanted to. In case if the government was to take control, "they" would ruining freedom of speech.
As about the crime heads, I don't know, there are some ppl that struggle againist it.

[PainKiller]

Should the Internet be regulated by government,what do you think? I personally think it should be regulated so they can track the source of crime heads. Depends on what do u mean. If it is something like in Uzb, I think no. But if it is about prosecuting child porn sites, closing the terrorist's webs I am for that. :rolleyes:

[stanford]

Well, stanford, technically they can't really regulate it. Even if they wanted to. In case if the government was to take control, "they" would ruining freedom of speech.
As about the crime heads, I don't know, there are some ppl that struggle againist it.

They won't ruin your so called freedom of speech , they will cut your illegal acts.

[Guardian]

Should the Internet be regulated by government, what do you think?
I disagree with it!
I personally think it should be regulated so they can track the source of crime heads.
CIA, SNB, FBI, FSB, MI6, MI5 have the personnels who are internet police and they are searching for what they need. If you let government to control whole the internet within its area shit will happen. You can't access centrasia.org coz you will be under possible death penalty, or shit will happen like in chinese state.. Government will do anything for its own interest. Take China, most of the anti-communistic, anti-Chinese sites are blocked by the government. They are regulating whole the China. (it is worthy to mention that MS is helping the government to do this job )


I think there should be Internet Police. They can search, track and arrest the crimes. And, they should be independent of any single state, as a golbal organistaion.

[Gareeb]

Bribir kontrol qilinadi hohlasak ham hohlamasak ham, chunki busiz ilojsiz.

[stanford]

Simply: I have the right to drive my car down the street. If I've just robbed the bank, the police have the right to stop me. I can't object on the grounds that my right to drive down the street is being violated.

[n0xyl]

Только этого не хватало. Интернет единственное место где можно выразить свою точку зрения, пока без ограничений. Я уверен это только временно. И в России и в США уже идут разговоры по госрегулированию интернета. Я противник этих идей.
Пусть дадут право выбора нам пользователям, а мы сами выберим какой сайт есть нехороший, а какие можно смотреть.

[Asadbek]

Internetning davlat tomonidan nazorat qilinishi...

Har qanday ommaviy axborot vositasi nazorat qilinadi. Aks holda, davlat tomonidan qabul qilingan qonunlarning to'g'ri ishlayotgan-ishlamayotganligini qanday bilish, tekshirish mumkin?..
Faqat, bu nazorat mustaqil bir tashkilot tomonidan amalga oshirilishi kerak, davlatni buyurtmasi bilan ishlaydigan tashkilot orqali emas...
Hamda, ommaviy axborot vositalarining nazorat qilinishi qonunlarni buzmagan o'zga fikrli odamlarni ta'qib qilish uchun foydalanilmasligi kerak.

[admiral]

U.S. Constitution: First Amendment (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/)

doljna bit' i v kajdoy drugoy konstitutsii!
F-R-E-E-D-O-M!

[Asadbek]

U.S. Constitution: First Amendment (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/)

doljna bit' i v kajdoy drugoy konstitutsii!
F-R-E-E-D-O-M!
Amerikani konstituciyasini ko'rsatmang :)
hatto, ular ham axborotni nazorat qilishadi.

[admiral]

Amerikani konstituciyasini ko'rsatmang :)
hatto, ular ham axborotni nazorat qilishadi.

Oshna,

Nima bulsa ham Amerikani nazorati Uzbekistonni nazoratini oldida 'kurort' bulib qoladi.
bitta oddiy misol:
Uzbekiston da 2 ta davlat telekanali bor, amerikada 3-4 ta (public), qolgan 80-90 kalan shahsiy. hohlagan narsasini kursatib, hohlagancha talqin qiladi.
Germonda ham shunaqa bulsa kerak.

[Asadbek]

Germonda ham shunday.

Nazorat deganda biz nimani nazarda tutyapmiz?
1. Nazorat - axborotni cenzura qilishmi yoki
2. Nazorat - qonunbuzarlik va shu kabilarni oldini olish uchun nazoratmi?

1-nazorat turiga men butunlay qarshiman. OAVlarga qonun tarafidan kafolatlangan erkinliklar bo'lishi kerak. Ana shunda O'zbekistonda ham siz USdagini eslatgandek, haqiqiy xususiy kanalllar yuzaga kelib, sog'lom raqobatchilikda faoliyat yuritishardi...

2-nazorat turidan qochib bo'lmaydi.

[admiral]

Germonda ham shunday.

Nazorat deganda biz nimani nazarda tutyapmiz?
1. Nazorat - axborotni cenzura qilishmi yoki
2. Nazorat - qonunbuzarlik va shu kabilarni oldini olish uchun nazoratmi?

1-nazorat turiga men butunlay qarshiman. OAVlarga qonun tarafidan kafolatlangan erkinliklar bo'lishi kerak. Ana shunda O'zbekistonda ham siz USdagini eslatgandek, haqiqiy xususiy kanalllar yuzaga kelib, sog'lom raqobatchilikda faoliyat yuritishardi...

2-nazorat turidan qochib bo'lmaydi.

Juda yaxshi.

2-punkt togrisida. OAV orqali qanaqa jinoyatchilik ili qonunbuzarlik qilish mumkin. Pornografiyami? Bilsangiz, usha AQSH kostitursiyasini 1 qushimchasida gi freedom of speech va freedom of expression mana shu hakda. Hech yomon joyi yoq. kurmaydiganlar uchirib quysin ili boshqa kanalga burasin. Yosh bolalar bulsa, parental control ga quyib quysin. :)

Propogandami? qaysi biri? diniy? marhamat, amerikada alohida hristian kanallar bor, ertadan kechgacha bibliyani ukigani ukigan.

shunaqa qilib hulosa: nazoratni keragi yoq.

[Royal]

... hohlagan narsasini kursatib, hohlagancha talqin qiladi.
Germonda ham shunaqa bulsa kerak.....

Bomagan gap. kim etti!!
FCC ni shundoq nazorati borki, ha bir notogri soz uchun yuz minglardan boshlab to millonlab shtraf soladi..

[Royal]

Germonda ham shunday.
Bek
Girmondayam ahborot , internet va telefon hizmatlari judayam yahshigina kontrol qilinadi.
Dunyoda hech qaysi bir davlat be darvozayamas.
lekin hammasini oziga yarasha nima mumkinu nima mumkinmas deganida har hil kengchiliklar mavjud, yana bir joyda kengchiliklar kotta bir maydon, boshqa joyda osha maydon bir talinkacha hisobida.

[Asadbek]

Qonun buzilish uchun chiqariladi, degan gap bor, bilasiz :)
OVA faoliyati to'g'risida ham qonunlar mavjud. OAVlarning o'zi o'sha qonunlarni buzmaydi deb kim kafolat beradi? Men shunaqa narsalarni nazarda tutgandim.

OAVlarning faoliyatini bu mazmunda nazorat qilish hatto Germaniyada ham bor.

O`zbekiston matbuot va axborot agentligi - O`zMAA: Asosiy funktsiya va huquqlari

O`zbеkistоn Rеspublikаsi Prеzidеntining «Mаtbuоt vа ахbоrоt sоhаsidаgi bоshqаruvni tаkоmillаshtirish to`g`risidа» 2002 yil 3 iyuldаgi PF-№3103-sоnli Fаrmоnigа ko`rа O`zbеkistоn mаtbuоt vа ахbоrоt аgеntligining аsоsiy vаzifаlаri quyidаgilаrdаn ibоrаt:

оmmаviy ахbоrоt vоsitаlаrining mustаqil fаоliyati sоhаsidаgi kоnstitutsiyaviy huquqlаr vа qоnun hujjаtlаrining so`zsiz bаjаrilishi, so`z vа mаtbuоt erkinligi kаfоlаtlаrining tа’minlаnishi yuzаsidаn mоnitоring оlib bоrish;

rеspublikа fuqаrоlаrining ахbоrоtlаrgа bo`lgаn ehtiyojini yanаdа to`liq qоndirish, аhоlining, eng аvvаlо, o`sib kеlаyotgаn аvlоdning vа yoshlаrning tа’lim, mа’nаviy vа mаdаniy dаrаjаsini оshirish mаnfааtlаrini ko`zlаb, оmmаviy ахbоrоt vоsitаlаrini, nоshirlik ishlаrini vа mаtbааchilikni kеng rivоjlаntirishgа ko`mаklаshish;

nоshirlik vа mаtbааchilik fаоliyati, оmmаviy ахbоrоt vоsitаlаri, dаvriy nаshrlаrni tаrqаtish, shu jumlаdаn ko`rsаtib o`tilgаn fаоliyat turlаrini ro`yхаtdаn o`tkаzish sоhаsidаgi dаvlаt siyosаtini аmаlgа оshirish;

nаshriyotlаr, оmmаviy ахbоrоt vоsitаlаri, tеlеvidеniе, rаdiоeshittirish vа rеspublikа ахbоrоt bоzоrining bоshqа qаtnаshchilаri tоmоnidаn ахbоrоt sоhаsidа аmаldаgi qоnun hujjаtlаrigа riоya etilishi yuzаsidаn mоnitоringni аmаlgа оshirish;


Agеntlik o`z vаkоlаtlаri dоirаsidа quyidаgi huquqlаrgа egа:

O`zbеkistоn Rеspublikаsining bаrchа jismоniy vа yuridik shахslаri(mulkchilik shаkllаridаn qаt’i nаzаr) tоmоnidаn bаjаrilishi mаjburiy bo`lgаn nоrmаtiv hujjаtlаrni ishlаb chiqish vа tаsdiqlаsh;
mаtbuоt vа ахbоrоt sоhаsidаgi qоnunchilikni buzаyotgаn dаvlаt bоshqаruvi оrgаnlаrigа, jоylаrdаgi hоkimiyat оrgаnlаrigа, хo`jаlik yurituvchi sub’еktlаrgа vа ulаrning mаnsаbdоr shахslаrigа nisbаtаn o`z vаkоlаti dоirаsidа qоnunchilikdа bеlgilаngаn tаrtibdа qаrоrlаr(buyruqlаr) chiqаrish;


Аgеntlik o`zigа yuklаngаn vаzifаlаrni ro`yobgа chiqаrish mаqsаdidа quyidаgi funktsiyalаrni аmаlgа оshirаdi:

nоshirlik-mаtbааchilik fаоliyati, оmmаviy ахbоrоt vоsitаlаri, ахbоrоt vа rеklаmа аgеntliklаrining yagоnа rееstrlаrini yuritish vа ulаrni ro`yхаtdаn o`tkаzish;
nоshirlik fаоliyatini litsеnziyalаshni tаshkil etish;
nаshriyotlаr, оmmаviy ахbоrоt vоsitаlаri, tеlеvidеniе, rаdieshittirish vа rеspublikа ахbоrоt bоzоrining bоshqа qаtnаshchilаri tоmоnidаn ахbоrоt sоhаsidа аmаldаgi qоnun hujjаtlаrigа riоya etilishi mоnitоringini tаshkil qilish;
O`zbеkistоn Rеspublikаsi qоnun hujjаtlаrigа, ro`yхаtdаn o`tkаzish vа litsеnziyalаsh shаrtlаrigа riоya etilishini nаzоrаt qilish, оgоhlаntirish;
ro`yхаtdаn o`tkаzish to`g`risidаgi guvоhnоmаlаr vа litsеnziyalаrning аmаl qilishini bеlgilаngаn tаrtibdа to`хtаtib turish vа to`хtаtish.

Manba': http://www.gov.uz/uz/section.scm?sectionId=9098
Afsuslanarli joyi, mana shu narsalar (ya'ni, qonun va qarorlar) qog'ozdagidek ishlamaydi...

[Asadbek]

Bek
Girmondayam ahborot , internet va telefon hizmatlari judayam yahshigina kontrol qilinadi.
...
Royal aka, "Germonda ham shunday" deganimda, davlatga tegishli (Germaniyada huquqiy-ommaviy deyiladi) va xususiy OAVlar haqidagi Admiralning gapini tasdiqlagandim. Axborotning nazorat qilinishi haqidagi gapim yuqoridagi postda bor :)
rahmat reply uchun.

[Asadbek]

Mavzu bo'yicha bir to'xtalib o'tsam.

Internetda axborot oqimini (informacion Bytelarning kirish-chiqishi) hozirda na texnik va na amaliy jihatdan amalga oshirib bo'ladi. Bir Inson sekundiga 200 ming belgini (2MB/s tezlikda) tekshira olmaydi.
Eng tez ishlaydigan Komputer ham 2MB/s tezlikda programmalashtirilgan sanoqligina so'zlarni filter qilolsa kerak. Digital rasmlar oqimini nazorat qilish haqida gapirmas aham bo'ladi. Rasmlarni pixelma pixel filterlab chiqquncha, komputerni joni chiqib ketsa kerak.
Mutaxasislar faqatgina FTP-aloqalarni protokollashtirish haqida gapirishadi. Bu ham katta bosh og'riq...

[admiral]

Bomagan gap. kim etti!!
FCC ni shundoq nazorati borki, ha bir notogri soz uchun yuz minglardan boshlab to millonlab shtraf soladi..

story larga link bering. isboti qani?

yakinda newsweek bir notugri malumot berganini buyniga oldi. lekin ular ga hech kim buni yoki uni ayt deb buyruk bermagan.