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Black
07-07-2005, 01:39 AM
Odamlarga nima bo'lgan o'zi?
http://islam.uz/muhim/yangipaygambar.htm

Guardian
07-07-2005, 01:49 AM
Astaghfirulloh...

Pythagor
07-07-2005, 02:06 AM
Astag'firulloh...
Gunoh bu!!!

Time
07-07-2005, 02:43 AM
Bir paztlar hindistonlik bir musulmon ham shundaz deb davo qilgan deb eshitgandim....

Black
07-07-2005, 04:45 AM
Bir paztlar hindistonlik bir musulmon ham shundaz deb davo qilgan deb eshitgandim....
Ha, uning ismi Ahmad Qodian (Qodian degan joydan chiqqan). U ham o'zini payg'ambar deb e'lon qilgan. Unga ergashganlar ko'p bo'lgan va hozir ham ko'p. Ahmadiylar yoki Qodionlar deb ataladi ular. Hammasi ilmsizlikdan. Bunday odamlar hammasi adashganlardir. Agar Hudoni o'zi to'g'ri yo'lga solmasa bularni bandasi bir narsa qilishi qiyin.

Mahmud
07-07-2005, 04:56 AM
Astag'firulloh...

Gareeb
07-07-2005, 05:22 AM
Na'uuzu billah..
Bu odamni kofirligini e'lon qilib, iloji bo'lsa qatl etish kerak. Bunndaylarning jazosi shu..

Hamid
07-07-2005, 06:35 AM
Na'uuzu billah..
Bu odamni kofirligini e'lon qilib, iloji bo'lsa qatl etish kerak. Bunndaylarning jazosi shu..
Gareeb did you read the statement to the end, the author was saying that he should be talked to, explained, and if he repents sincerely Allah will forgive him, if not the other actions should be taken.
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Joe_Blake
07-07-2005, 06:45 AM
Astag'firulloh...
Bu judda katta gunoh!

Asalik
07-07-2005, 07:35 AM
a'uuzubillah....

Gareeb
07-07-2005, 07:48 AM
Gareeb did you read the statement to the end, the author was saying that he should be talked to, explained, and if he repents sincerely Allah will forgive him, if not the other actions should be taken.
hh
H o'qidim , men ham to'gridan to'gri o'ldirilsin demadim. Albatta tawba qilib yo'lidan aytsa shunga yarasha muomala qilinadi. Abu Bakr roziyollu anhu ham tawba qilgandan keyin kechirganlarku qaysidir shunga o'hshagan yolgonchini..

Royal
07-07-2005, 08:10 AM
H o'qidim , men ham to'gridan to'gri o'ldirilsin demadim. Albatta tawba qilib yo'lidan aytsa shunga yarasha muomala qilinadi. Abu Bakr roziyollu anhu ham tawba qilgandan keyin kechirganlarku qaysidir shunga o'hshagan yolgonchini..
Towba qildim deylik.
Ollohj bilib-bilmie qilgan gunohlarimizni kechirisin, ilohim.
Ha nedi uyam bir osie banda, degisi kepti dipti, gunohi oziga..
Shungayam hudoga shukrlarkim, yana : Ollohlik davosini qilmapti!
Zamon ohirlari kevotganligidan daraklar...
Astagfrullo...
Olloh Imonimizni mustahkam qilib, shaytoni layinni was-wasasidan oz panohida asrasin...
Olloh ozi bilguvchidir....

Bevafo
07-07-2005, 08:25 AM
Bunaqa donolik qilganingdan,jinni bulib ketsang gunohing kamroq bularmidi....

Royal
07-07-2005, 09:48 PM
And say: 'Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:
for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.'
The Holy Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81

Samimiy
07-07-2005, 09:52 PM
Ha, uning ismi Ahmad Qodian (Qodian degan joydan chiqqan). U ham o'zini payg'ambar deb e'lon qilgan. Unga ergashganlar ko'p bo'lgan va hozir ham ko'p. Ahmadiylar yoki Qodionlar deb ataladi ular. Hammasi ilmsizlikdan. Bunday odamlar hammasi adashganlardir. Agar Hudoni o'zi to'g'ri yo'lga solmasa bularni bandasi bir narsa qilishi qiyin.

Mana shu odam (kechirasizlar) hojatxonaligida ulganini bilarmidinglar? Bu albatta muhim bulmasligi mumkin, lekin bazilar uchun qandaydir belgi, yoki ishorat bulishi mumkin.

Samimiy
07-07-2005, 10:01 PM
Odamlarga nima bo'lgan o'zi?
http://islam.uz/muhim/yangipaygambar.htm

Bu sayt, yani islam.uz haqida nima bilasizlar? Uning egasi/avtori kim, kim tomonidan moddiy taminlanadi? Tushunishimcha kupchilik materiallarni eski muftiy Muhammad Sodiq Muhammad Yusuf yozganga uxshaydi. Hammasi ham shundaymi?

Black
07-08-2005, 12:21 AM
Bu sayt, yani islam.uz haqida nima bilasizlar? Uning egasi/avtori kim, kim tomonidan moddiy taminlanadi? Tushunishimcha kupchilik materiallarni eski muftiy Muhammad Sodiq Muhammad Yusuf yozganga uxshaydi. Hammasi ham shundaymi?

Samimiy, bu sayt haqida sayt administratorlariga email yozib bilib olishingiz mumkin. Mening bilganlar: Sayt Shayh Muhammad Sodiqning muhlislari (yoki shogirdlari) tomonidan tuzilgan va deyarli hamma materiallar u kishiniki (Shayhniki).

Black
07-08-2005, 12:30 AM
Mana shu odam (kechirasizlar) hojatxonaligida ulganini bilarmidinglar? Bu albatta muhim bulmasligi mumkin, lekin bazilar uchun qandaydir belgi, yoki ishorat bulishi mumkin.

Bu odamni qaerda o'lganini bilmadimu (gapingiz hato bo'lishi ham mumkin) lekin odam hohlagan joyda o'lib qolaverishi mumkin, chunki qaerda o'lish o'lmaslik odamzodga bog'liq. Gapingiz hato bo'lishi mumkin deganimga sabab, bu odam imom Mahdi menman deb da'vo qilgan. Ulamolarning aytishi bo'yicha imom Mahdi o'z o'lgandan keyin o'z hojathonasining o'rniga ko'milishi kerak ekan. Shuning uchun ham shunday savol qo'yiladi " Agar u haqiqatdan ham aytgan da'volari rost bo'lsa uning qabri qaerda? O'z hojathonasing o'rnidami? " (Javob: Yo'q, u odam o'z hojathonasining o'rniga ko'milgan emas, boshqa joyga ko'milgan, demak bu uning gaplarining yolg'on ekanligiga yana bir isbot.

Wallohu 'alam.

Royal
07-08-2005, 02:21 PM
Allah(SWT) Neutralizes Qadiani Plots Time and Time again
Mirza's Prophesy proved false:
"Kings will receive blessings (bara▓kat) from your (Mirza▓s) clothing."
Immediately after the Second World War, a severely weakened and battered Britain saw its direct influence around the world diminish. Thus, another once mighty nation, which arrogantly had believed itself to be the lord of the worlds and oppressed millions, was brought down to its neeks by the Almighty Allah(SWT). By the year 1965, the last remnants of the British Colonial powers had decaid under its weight and the British were forced to grant the country of Gambia its independence.
In a last ditched attempt to keep indirect control of the nation, the British abdicated rule in favor of one of their faithful supporters, Mr. Farman Sangat. Mr. Sangat was a known Qadiani, who one year earlier had traveled to Rabwah, Pakistan, and given his oath of allegiance (bai▓at) to Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood, the second head of the Qadiani Movement. During the British rule, the Qadiani headquarters in Gambia had continually preached that obedience to the British Empire was an article of faith for every Muslim. Now, as the eward for their unshakable support during the years, a Qadiani was appointed to the position of absolute Governor of that land.

Soon after, Mirza Nasir Ahmad succeeded his father to the leadership of the Qadiani movement and ordered his subject, the dictator of Gambia, to officially request for one of Mirza Ghulam▓s (the founder of the Qadiani movement and self-appointed prophet) old articles of clothing! Mirza Nasir Ahmad did so to be able to claim that one of the prophecies of his grandfather, Mirza Ghulam, had come true. This prophecy was that:

"Kings will receive blessings (bara▓kat) from your (Mirza▓s) clothing."

Upon receiving the written request, the Qadiani leadership boastfully published posters all over the world, announcing that the prophecy had come true, as the "king" of the country of Gambia had requested for such a piece of clothing!

The First Bara▓kat of Mirza: However, the "blessing" of Mirza Ghulam proved to be very costly to the "king" of Gambia! No sooner had the clothing reach Gambia that the people of that nation revolted against the British appointed ruler, toppled his regime, and threw him in prison. It was fitting that Allah(SWT) once more shattered another calculated plot of the Qadiani leadership:

They (the unbelievers) plot and plan, and Allah too plans;
but Allah is the best of planners.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Anfal, 8:30)

The Second Bara▓kat of Mirza: Apparently, the "blessing" of the clothing of Mirza Ghulam still continues several decades later! In the late 1997, the publicly elected President of the nation of Gambia, Mr. Yahya Abubakr, officially declared the country's Qadiani community a non-Muslim minority.

Through this historic decision, Allah(SWT) completely annihilated another one of the elaborated schemes of the Qadiani leadership.
Link:http://www.irshad.org/exposed/kings.php

Royal
07-08-2005, 02:22 PM
The Interpretation of well-known Muslim Scholars on The Finality of Prophethood (Khatmay-Nabuwat)
(In Chronological Order)
Allama Ibn-e- Jarir Tabri (224-310 A.H.) interprets Khatam-an-Nabiyeen to mean that Muhammad(SAW) is the last prophet, the one who has closed up Prophethood or sealed it. This seal will not be opened for anyone till the Day of Judgment.
(Tafsir Ibn-e-Jarir, P. 12, Vol. 22, Egypt)
Mohiyyus Sunnah Baghawi (D. 510 A.H.) has written that the words Khatam-an-Nabiyeen indicate that Allah(SWT) has closed the line of Prophethood after Prophet Muhammad(SAW).... Ibn-e-Abbas says that Allah(SWT) has declared that there is no Prophet after him(SAW).
(Tafsir Malimut-tanzil, P. 158, Vol. 3, Egypt)

Allama Zamakhshari (467-538 A.H.) has written: "If you say how can he(SAW) be the Last Prophet when Jesus(pbuh) will come in the future ages, I will reply that he(SAW) is the Last Prophet in the sense that after him no New Prophet will come; Jesus(pbuh) is one of those Prophets who have already come before him. When Jesus(pbuh) will come again, he will follow the Sharia of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and will face Qibla in his salat; this means that he will come as an individual of this Ummah.

Imam Razi (543-606 A.H.) is of the opinion that the words Khatam-an-Nabiyeen are used to show that the Sharia of Islam is complete. The view that no prophet will come after Muahmmad(SAW) is also more affectionate to and particular about his(SAW) Ummah and gives the significance of the words in more details. This is like the example of a son who has no guardian after his father.
(Tafsir-e-Kabir, P. 581, Vol. 6, Egypt)

Allama Baizavi (D. 685 A.H.) says that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is the last of all Prophets. He has sealed the Prophethood of all Prophets, or their Prophethood has been sealed by him. It makes no difference that Jesus(pbuh) will come again after him, because he will come as a follower of his(SAW) Sharia.
(Tafsir-e-Bizavi, P. 196, Vol. 2, Egypt)

Allama Nasafi (D. 710 A.H.) recorded that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is at the end of all Prophets(pbut); and after him there will be no New Prophet; and Jesus(pbuh) was made a Prophet before him(SAW); and when he comes again, he will come as a follower of the Sharia of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) as if he (Jesus) were an individual of this Ummah.
(Tafsir-e-Madarik-ut-Tanzil, P. 234, Vol. 3, Egypt)

Allama Allauddin Khazin (D. 725 A.H.) has expressed the view that Allah(SWT) has ended the line of Prophethood through him(SAW). Therefore, neither there is Prophethood after him, nor any other Prophet during his own time. Indeed, Ibn-e-Abbas has said that God has declared there will be no Prophet after him(SAW).
(Tafsir-e-Khazin, P. 218, Vol. 5, Egypt)

Allama Ibn-e-Kaseer (D. 774 A.H.) has written that Khatam-an-Nabiyeen contains the final proof of the fact that there will be no Prophet after him(SAW); neither will there be a Prophet with Sharia, since the office of prophethood with Sharia is higher than that of mere Prophethood.
(Tafsir-Ibn-e-Kaseer, P. 493, Vol. 3, Egypt)

"This is the greatest favour of Allah Ta▓aala upon this Ummah that He has perfected for them their religion. Therefore, they will not be needful of a religion other than Islaam nor of another Prophet other than their Prophet. May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him. This is why Allah has made him the last and final Prophet and sent him to both the humans and the Jinns."
(Tafsir-Ibn-e-Kaseer, P. 482, Vol. 1)

Allama Mohammad Bin Yakoob Ferozabadi has interpreted these words to mean that Allah(SWT) has ended the line of Prophethood through him(SAW). Therefore, after him, there will be no New Prophet.
(Tafsir Ibn-e-Abbas, P. 262, Egypt)

Allama Moinuddin Bin Safiuddin (D. 889 A.H.) has written that the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is the last of all Prophets and Jesus(pbuh) will come again as a follower of his Sharia.
(Jaame-ul-Bayan, P. 359, Dehli)

Allama Suyuti (D. 911 A.H.) says that the words Khatam-an-Nabiyeen mean there will be no New Prophet after him(SAW) and when Jesus(pbuh) will come again, he will act according to the Sharia of Prophet Muhammad(SAW).
(Jalalaim Ala Hamish Jamal, P. 442, Vol. 3)

Shah Mohammad Anwer Kashmiri has seen the meaning of Khatam-an-Nabiyeen to be that there will be no Prophet after him(SAW) and Jesus(pbuh) has already been made a Prophet before him(SAW).
(Mushkilatul Quran, P. 227, Dehli)

Sheikh Ismail Haqqi (D. 1137 A.H.) has read the phrase Khatam-an-Nabiyeen with the upsound of "T" which means the instrument by which something is closed (sealed). The meaning is that he(SAW) was the last of all Prophets by whom the office of all Prophets has been sealed. In Persian, "Seal of Prophets" means that by him the doors of Prophethood have been sealed, and the line of Prophethood terminated once and for all. Some other scholars have read this with a down sound of "T" which indicates he was "Khatim" in the sense of "Fa'ail". In Persian, it will mean the one who seals (ends) the prophets, in which case, the meaning is the same.
(Tafsir Ruhul Bayan, P. 188, Vol. 22, Egypt)

Allama Suleman Bin Umar Bin Jama (D. 1204 A.H.) has stated that "It is in the knowledge of Allah, who has complete knowledge of all things, that there will be no Prophet after Prophet Muhammad(SAW)."
(Al-Futuhaatul Ilahiya, P. 442, Vol. 3, Egypt)

Allama Muhammad Sharbeeni Khatib says that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is the end of all Prophets. He(SAW) has ended the line of Prophethood, because his message is for the entire world and the Holy Quran is his miracle. After him, then, there is no need for a new prophet.... The meaning of Khatam-an-Nabiyeen is that after Hazrat Muhammad(SAW), there will be no Prophet with New Sharia, and there will be no Prophethood after him. The declaration that he is not the father of any man also proves that there will be no Prophets after him.
(Tafsir Sirajul Munir, P. 252, Vol. 3, Lucknow)

Allama Shaukani (D. 1255 A.H.) has written that the majority of scholars have read the word Khatam-an-Nabiyeen with the down sound of "T" and Asaim has read it with the up sound. The first means that he(SAW) has sealed the Prophets meaning that he has come at the very end of them. The other means that he is the seal of Prophets by which they have been completed and by the joining of him the group of Prophets has been decorated.
(Tafsir-e-Fathul Qadeer, P. 275, Vol. 4, Egypt)

Allama Aaloosi (D. 1270 A.H.) writes that Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) is also Khatimul Mursaleen meaning that after his Prophethood there will be no Prophethood at all.
(Tafsir Roohul Ma'ani, P. 23, Vol. 22)

link : http://www.irshad.org/finality/interpretation.php

Royal
07-08-2005, 02:27 PM
Most of them (the misguided) follow nothing but conjecture. Assuredly guess work can by no means replace the truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.
The Holy Quran, Yunus, 10:36

Declaration by the Muslim World League

Qadianism or Ahmadiyyat: It is a subversive movement against Islam and the Muslim world, which falsely and decietfully claims to be an Islamic sect; who under the guise of Islam and for the sake of mundane interests contrives and plans to damage the very foundations of Islam. Its eminent deviations from the basic Islamic principles are as follows:

1. Its founder claimed that he was a Prophet.
2. They deliberately distort the meanings of the verses of the Holy Quran.
3. They decalred that Jehad has been obolished.

Qadianism was originally fostered by the British imperialism. Hence it has been flourishing under her flag. This movement has completely been disloyal to and dishonest in affairs of the Muslim Ummah. Rather, it has been loyal to Imperialism and Zionism. It has deep associations and cooperation with the anti Islamic forces and teachings especially through the following nefarious methods:

1) Construction of mosques with the assistance of the anti Islamic forces wherin the misleading Qadiani thoughts are imparted to the people.

2) Opening of schools institutions and orphanages wherein the people are taught and trained as to how they can be more anti Islamic in their activities. They also published the corrupted versions of the Holy Quran in different local and international languages.

In order to combat these dangers, the Conference recommends the following measures:

1. All the Muslim organization in the world must keep a vigilant eye on all the activities of Qadianisin their respective countries; to confine them all strictly to their schools, institutions and orphanages only. Moreover he Muslims of the world be shown the true picture of Qadianism and be briefed of their various tactics so that the Muslims of the world be saved from their designs.
2. They must be declared non Muslims and ousted form the fold of Islam. And be barred to enter the Holy lands.
3. There must be no dealings with the Qadianis. They must be coycotted socially , economically and culturally Nor they be married with or to Nor they be allowed to be buried in the Muslims graveyards. And they be treated like other non Muslims.
4. All the Muslim countries must impose restrictions on the activities of the claimant of Prophethood Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani▓s followers; must declare them a non Muslim minority must not etrust them them with any post of responsibility in any Muslim country.
5. The alterations effected by them in the Holy Quran must be made public and the people be briefed of them and all these be prohibited for further publication.
6. All such groups as are deviators from islam must be treated at par with the Qadianis. [/quote]
link:http://www.irshad.org/exposed/fatwas.php

Black
07-09-2005, 12:17 AM
Royal brother thank you for your info. As for the last post, a couple of years ago these Qadians opened new "mosque" in London, and the Queen visited the opening ceremony. This is one more prove that they are supported by British impire.
If any of you see Qadians/Ahmadians call them into Islam.