Bomb blasts in london

[referee]

Terror as bomb blasts rock London

Breaking news at 10.40am: London has been rocked by a series of blasts on the Tube and bus network during the morning rush hour. Commuters have 'streamed out' of stations 'covered in blood' and the Tube network has been totally suspended with all stations evacuated.

Police are reported to have confirmed blasts on three buses in central London, one at Tavistock Place near Holborn, in central London. The area has been closed off.

Union officials said their sources had told them there had been at least one explosive device on the Underground. An explosion was reported at an East London station and a second incident at Edgware Road station.

London Fire Brigade said it had been called to reports of "explosions" at a number of locations in central London, including Aldgate, Edgware Road and Tavistock Square as well as to another incident at King's Cross.

British Transport Police initially said power surge incidents, some of which have caused explosions, had occurred on the London Underground at Aldgate, Edgware Road, King's Cross, Old Street and Russell Square.

Travellers emerged from tunnels covered in blood and soot.

Police said there are walking wounded at the scene and all stations have been evacuated.

A witness has reported people "streaming out" of Aldgate Tube Station "covered in blood".

Scotland Yard could not confirm reports of an explosion on a bus in Russell Square. A spokeswoman said police were at the scene and attempting to determine what had happened.

A British Transport Police (BTP) spokesman said that two trains remain stuck in tunnels at Edgware Road, but it is not known if they have collided or if passengers remain onboard.

"Officers are working at tunnel and platform level to help get people out and to help find out what has happened," he said.

Passengers smashing windows

Passengers involved in the Metropolitan Line explosion at Edgware Road are reported to have attempted to smash the windows of their Tube carriages with umbrellas in an attempt to escape.

Police are thought to have been sent into tunnels to evacuate people along the tracks.

Bradley Anderson told Sky News that he was involved in the Edgware Road incident on a Circle line train.

He said: "We just left Paddington station. About 15 seconds later there was some kind of explosion and we collided with another train.

"We were heading into the station when there was some kind of explosion or something. Everything went black and we collided into some kind of oncoming train. There was debris all over the trains. They evacuated us."

A BTP spokesman said that emergency services were dealing with reports of an explosion at 8.49am on the Metropolitan Line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate. It was first believed that the incident was caused by a collision between two trains, a power cut or a power cable exploding.

British Transport Police confirmed that there are "walking wounded" and said paramedics have responded to one report of a person classed as "life at risk".

King's Cross, Liverpool Street and Aldgate stations have also been cleared.

A London Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: "We have just sent some resources out to the scene. We have sent a number of vehicles to Liverpool Street station."

According to Tube infrastructure company Metronet, which is responsible for maintaining the Metropolitan line, today's incident was caused "by some kind of power surge".

London Underground said: "The network has been suspended until further notice and all stations are being evacuated."

British Transport Police said work is being carried out to establish the precise cause of the problem.

"It's chaos, with people trying to work out what has happened," said a spokesman.

"All we know at the moment is that staff reported a loud bang at 8.49am.

Stations closed across capital

The incident caused major disruption to the entire network with stations across the capital being closed.

Passengers were told that all services were being suspended because of a power fault across the network.

A City of London Police spokesman said: "We have closed Liverpool Street station as well as Aldgate.

"We believe there was some sort of explosion. There are some walking wounded at Aldgate. We are not sure of the scale of the incident. Reports are still coming in."

Ministers are meeting to clarify the situation after explosions in London, Leader of the House Geoff Hoon told the Commons. The Government will make a statement later.

[Hamid]

watching the news on the bbc right now, it is awful, we were planning to go to london today, but had postponed it for good.
hh

[Legend]

Yeah I just heard that too, you guys be carefull up there in London.

[Black]

I hope that it is not terrorist attack. If so many immigrants (especially muslims) will have big problems.

[Hamid]

I hope that it is not terrorist attack. If so many immigrants (especially muslims) will have big problems.
Tony Blair just said that it was a series of terrorist attacks.
hh

[Gareeb]

I think even it was just accident Blayrs goverment may motivate it as teror attack.

[referee]

it's clear now that it is a terrorist attack. Some rumours that it's al-Qaeda organised attack. Recently:
1212 There are now reports of an explosion in Leicester Square.

1211 BBC Monitoring says it has found a website with a brief statement, in which an al-Quaida-related organisation has claimed responsibility for today's blasts.

[Gareeb]

I f it is true than black days has begun for muslims..

[extremeG]

I think even it was just accident Blayrs goverment may motivate it as teror attack.

accidents, in seven different places almost simultaneously?

[Gareeb]

accidents, in seven different places almost simultaneously?
Yes now just i am realising that it may be terror attack. The problem is you never know who really is behind of that. It could be 9/11 scenery.

[referee]

I f it is true than black days has begun for muslims..

almost certainly black days for Muslims in the UK, that is... ID card, anti-terror laws, new immigration laws and any other new bills will be easily passed now...

[Asalik]

what happening in london now is so horrible, and i can see from my window that there are so many police vans and ambulances out there.on my street cars just stuck in the traffic, and all the people are in panic.it is reported that it should be al Qaeda who organised these blasts...it is terrifying, and as far as i am concerned some 'ammendments' will be done to the visa regulations, and i think muslims will be in trouble...Let Allah(c.c) be with all of us.

[Gareeb]

But I do not belive that this is orginised by some kind of orginisations. It may be political game. The victim is muslims again..

[Asalik]

But I do not belive that this is orginised by some kind of orginisations. It may be political game. The victim is muslims again..

i don't really care who plays these games, but THEY have no right to play with peoples' life and peace...what they are trying to show?to tell? to prove?

[Ahmet]

O God, I knew that after all this just moslems will be blamed like always...
"Islamic Terror", "Al-Qaeda", (anything against Islam, in which innocent moslems are blamed) or any similar news are making me crazy...

What the $$$ is happening to these americans and europeans???

I've just met my neighbour here in Berlin. He was so sorry for all those victims in London was blaming "Islam" simultaneously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN????????


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That's enough!!! From now on I'll be reporting only about:


THE CHRISTIAN TERROR!!!

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And I WILL NOT CARE if you agree with me or not!!! And I DO NOT CARE if I get some warnings...


peace.....

[Legend]

Looks like that these atacks were focused more to make panic among the ppl rather then causing a lot of death, cause 2 deaths after 7 attacks, doesn't look much, comparing to Madrid , where hundreds were killed in just one blast. Just some kinda strategic move.

[Hamid]

People calm down, nobody blamed muslims yet, they are very cautious in using words in their statements, there were few reports blaming al-qaeda, but non 'muslim' word was said, and they were saying arabs not MUSLIMS.
who lives in britain kows how they approach these kind of things, they are not like uzbek, american governments, some of them have heads in their shoulders, they are not rushing into conclusions yet, like our president or g bush did. Let us wait and see what is going to happen, the main thing is now to rescue as many people trapped, give first aid, and pray for all innocent people who have been victims of somebody's dirty tricks.
hh

[Black]

Peace Brothers and Sisters.
Let's hope for better.

on my street cars just stuck in the traffic,

Considering the narrrow streets of London (and UK overall) I can imagine the situation. It was jammed even in normal days. If underground is not working then there should be haos in London. I wonder why they chose London for Olimpic games? It need half an hour to get one stations by bus.

[Legend]

Yes, not yet. You wait till Bush gonna make his speech, probably the first thing he is gonna say will be something like:" All these terrosrist,need to be punished, Al-Qaeda...bla bla bla and United States will do their best in preventing all that....bla bla bla ..". It is all gonna be regular Bushshit :D .You just wait :lol: .People calm down, nobody blamed muslims yet, they are very cautious in using words in their statements, there were few reports blaming al-qaeda, but non 'muslim' word was said, and they were saying arabs not MUSLIMS.
who lives in britain kows how they approach these kind of things, they are not like uzbek, american governments, some of them have heads in their shoulders, they are not rushing into conclusions yet, like our president or g bush did. Let us wait and see what is going to happen, the main thing is now to rescue as many people trapped, give first aid, and pray for all innocent people who have been victims of somebody's dirty tricks.
hh

[Hamid]

Yes, not yet. You wait till Bush gonna make his speech, probably the first thing he is gonna say will be something like:" All these terrosrist,need to be punished, Al-Qaeda...bla bla bla and United States will do their best in preventing all that....bla bla bla ..". It is all gonna be regular Bushshit :D .You just wait :lol: .
Legend, that is why I am not rushing into conclusions, let us wait what is other people going to say, because these kind of things are good for russia, (operations against so called terrorists), usa they might even find tracks of sirian terrorists, so they have a very supportive backup (UK) to go to war against siria. (or even Iran).
so please it is possible to propose so many theories right now.
let us wait
hh
P.S. Blair already said it was a series of terrorist attacks.
Al-Qaeda info is coming from arabs who monitors al-qaeda (if they monitor them how can't they know when they are going to struck next)

[Asadbek]

Qanaqadir bir arabcha saytda "Al-Qaidaning Evropadagi maxfiy tashkiloti" tomonidan Londonda bugun portlashlar o'tkazilgani tan olingani haqida shu tashkilotning xati e'lon qilinibdi. Arab tilidagi xat bu yerda. (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,grossbild-490370-364121,00.html)
Spiegel.De (http://www.spiegel.de)ning aytishicha, xatda jumladan "Biz angliya hukumati va xalqini qayta-qayta ogohlantirdik. Biz o'z so'zimiz ustida turdik va duo berilgan harbiy operaciyalarni amalga oshirdik. ... " deyilgan. Xatning haqiqatda rostligi, bunaqa tashkilotning borligi va Londondagi portlashlar ortida Al-Qaida turganligi hali aniqlanmagan.

London policiyasi shaharda jami 4 ta (3 tasi metroda va bittasi avtobusda) portlash bo'lganini aytgan.

Evropaning ko'pchilik katta shaharlarida, jumladan Berlinda xavfsizlik choralari kuchaytirilgan. Berlinda ikkinchi darajali (sariq rangli) xavfsizlik signali berilgan.
Germaniya temir yo'llari ham xavfsizlik choralarini kuchaytirgan (aniq detallar aytilmagan).

Nima bo'lsa ham, yaxshi bo'lmabdi...

[Gareeb]

Masjidda ham hammani yuzida hovotirlik va homushlikni ko'rish mumkin. Hamma sezib turibdi tayoq kimni boshida sinishini...
Alloh m'ominlarni O'z panohida sarasin..

[Joe_Blake]

...
Alloh m'ominlarni O'z panohida sarasin..
Aytganingiz kelsin birodar, Alloh mo'minlarni o'z panohida asrasin

[Gareeb]

Avvaldan tayyorlangan ro'yhat bo'yicha musulmonlarni qamoqqa olish boshlanadi. Yangi antiterror billga ko'ra istalgan shahsni hohlagancha mahkamasiz ushlab turishlari mumkin. Belmarsh qamoqhonasi ajdarhoday ogzini ochib turibdi :kelaver qancha bo'lsa yutaman deb.
Bu inglizlar vahima ko'tarisga juda usta. O'taketgan ayyor, pihini yorgan. Hamma ishni parlamentdan tasdiqlatib, qonuniy yo'l bilan qilishadi, qarabsizki hech kim ging deya olmaydi.
Tabloid gazetalar shunaqa ham vahima ko'taradiki ularga qolsa har bitta musulmon potencial terrorist. O'zi bularga shu etmay turuvdi..

[Joe_Blake]

Avvaldan tayyorlangan ro'yhat bo'yicha musulmonlarni qamoqqa olish boshlanadi. Yangi antiterror billga ko'ra istalgan shahsni hohlagancha mahkamasiz ushlab turishlari mumkin. Belmarsh qamoqhonasi ajdarhoday ogzini ochib turibdi :kelaver qancha bo'lsa yutaman deb.
Bu inglizlar vahima ko'tarisga juda usta. O'taketgan ayyor, pihini yorgan. Hamma ishni parlamentdan tasdiqlatib, qonuniy yo'l bilan qilishadi, qarabsizki hech kim ging deya olmaydi.
Tabloid gazetalar shunaqa ham vahima ko'taradiki ularga qolsa har bitta musulmon potencial terrorist. O'zi bularga shu etmay turuvdi..
Yo Alloh, o'zing mo'minlarga madad ber!
Menimcha bu ataylab qilingan, yana bilmadim :rolleyes:

P.S: O'zingizni ehtiyot qiling Gareeb

[Gareeb]

Yo Alloh, o'zing mo'minlarga madad ber!
Menimcha bu ataylab qilingan, yana bilmadim :rolleyes:

P.S: O'zingizni ehtiyot qiling Gareeb
Ha Alloh asramasa qiyin. Mana bir Babar Ahmad degan musulmon uyidan New York muzeyi haritasi topilgani uchun qamoqqa olingan. Hozir nima bo'ldi habarim yo'q. Bular birortasini hibs qilishda ellikta, yuzta officer keladida uyizni eshigini buzib , baqir chaqir qilib ollib ketiahdi. Butun media buni yuz foyiz oshirib toshirib yoritadi. Keyin esa u odam umuman aybsiz bo'lib chiqadi. Lekin bu haqda matbuot hech narsa demaydi. Odamlar o'ylaydiki ha bizda haqiqatda ham terrorchilar bor ekan deydi.
Yahshiyamki inglizlar kallasini ishlatadi, jaa unchalik ishonib ketaveradigan xalq emas.Lekin baribir media qulogiga quyib turgandan keyin ishonmay iloji ham yo'qda..

[Mahmud]

Gareeb musulmon mo'minlar uchun yaxshi ish bo'lmabdi :twisted:

Bu voqeada aloqasi yuqlarga qiyin bo'libdi-da...

P.S.:Gareeb ehtiyot bo'ling

[Gareeb]

Gareeb musulmon mo'minlar uchun yaxshi ish bo'lmabdi :twisted:

Bu voqeada aloqasi yuqlarga qiyin bo'libdi-da...

P.S.:Gareeb ehtiyot bo'ling
To'grisi 9/11 dan keyin butun dunyoda jumladan Ukda ham musulmonlar doimiy hovotirda yashardi. bir kun bu erda ham bir narsa bo'ladida hamma narsa butunlay o'zgairb ketadi, demokratiya deganlari ham odiy hayol bo'b qoladi deyishardi. Menimcha o'sha kunlar keldi. Kimni qaramang birinchi bo'lib musulmonlarni ayblaydi. Vaholanki musulmonlarga nima zarur shunday qilib? Terror oqibatlari uzogi bilan ikki oyda yuvilib ketadi lekin qabul qilingan daraconian qonunlar uzoq muddatlargacha muslmonlar zarariga ishlaydi. Buning natijasida immigratnlarga ham qiyin bo'ladi. Kim qilgan bo'lsa ham tezda topilishi kerak, shunki Londonda har qadamda kameralar qo'yilgan.

[Guardian]

My profound condolances and sorrows to those who have lost their dears.

It is 18:38 PM GMT now. New Scotland Yard and British Ambulance confirmed 33 people were dead by now.

It is a very bad day for British people. I've just seen mr Blair's statement. He said it was a barbaric terroristic attack. In the responce to the European Al-Qaeda's claims, he answered he and British people believe that the attackers were nothing to do with real Islam.

It is hard to say who have done it actually. And New Scotland Yard said, they are not going to hurry to make the conclusion, as there not enough evidence collected yet.

[ДЖИГИТ]

Explosions In London - Who Stands To Gain? Israel Warned, Cover-up In Progress

Prisonplanet | July 07 2005 (http://prisonplanet.com/)

BREAKING: Scrambled cover-up to try and change prior knowledge story.

Original reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned BEFORE the first blast, now all the Associated Press reports are being changed to say he was warned AFTER the first blast, for example this article (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-07-israel-londonblasts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA).

The article linked below that we saved in our own format (and the website that carried it has strangely since crashed) said that Netanyahu was warned before the first blast.

Israel are now denying (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=122106240&p=yzzyx68zx)they got a warning.

BREAKING: Scotland Yard says it got a warning before the attack and told Israel.

"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."

Full article here (http://propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2005/070705israelwarned.htm).

The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge went out for an hour or more. They knew it was an attack but put out a false explanation. Plus why did Netanyahu get a warning and the victims didn't?

We have been told that the events unfolding today were "inevitable", London's transport network has been hit with multiple explosions. Both the Underground and Buses have been hit. Events are still unfolding.

We predicted this would happen over a year ago (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/033004_Stasi_London.html) after analyzing the propaganda and fearmongering that was being ratcheted up to the extreme in London. Paul Joseph Watson has predicted these events as imminent several times on The Alex Jones Show in recent months.

Tony Blair is not in London but safely tucked up in Scotland with 7 other World Leaders including President Bush. The political eyes of the world are on Britain this week. The Mayor of London Ken Livingstone is in Singapore where the IOC has just awarded the Olympic Games to London, he is rushing back to the city.

Just like the events of 9/11, ask yourself, who stands to gain from this? Could this have been organized by any group other than one who has direct unlimited access to all areas of London's transport grid at all times?

The similarities with the Madrid bombing of 3/11/04, which we have persistently highlighted as an inside intelligence operation, are stark with bombs on separate trains set off within minutes of each other as the trains neared the stations. The so called perpetrators were quickly linked to an "Al Qaeda" cell in Europe but later as we reported were linked to the Spanish Security service (http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062104madridbombers.htm). They then mysteriously Killed themselves (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/03/world/spain_blast040403) as this information was seeping out. It then became apparent that Spain's government was using the bombings for its own gains (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/230605twistedbombings.htm) and many went to the streets in Spain to declare they knew that their own government was behind the attacks. Further Intelligence (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/%20http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/230704aznarwithholds.htm) was withheld by the government, we expect the same will happen in Britain after today's attacks.

This has MI5 written all over it. Just watch that national ID card legislation sail through. Only 15% of the country supported the government after the last election, this will ensure total fealty to a smarmy Blair and whatever he wants to do. Ken Livingstone and the opposition parties will now have no grounds to reject ID card legislation, especially with the Olympics coming to London in 2012.

The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlaid onto all forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID card. Although MI5 operations are normally more sophisticated than things like 9/11, in that the evidence linking it to the government is more carefully covered, just watch for the evidence of inside involvement to trickle out. MI5 have been caught involved in IRA bombings multiple times over.

Alex has said over and over that as attacks on different sections of the transportation grid occur they are going to have police state setup in the areas. Now it will be on the buses, subways etc.

FLASHBACK: Schumer Wants Airport Screening Technology in Malls (http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062104schumerwants.htm)

The military-industrial complex has the motive in this latest atrocity. Every major western government, including the British, has been caught red-handed carrying out bombings against their own people and blaming it on external enemies. It is mainstream news in Spain that the government was involved in the 3/11 bombing. The London 7/7 bombings are nothing different. Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror. Support our work, spread the word, expose who is gaining power from terrorism, or our freedoms will be lost.

Hours after the attacks the media is still not providing extensive coverage. We would expect to see hundreds of eyewitness accounts and footage of the train stations. Independent London reporter Simon Aronowitz, who has a contact within the BBC, has reported that journalists are finding the coverage of the situation highly irregular. It seems that the information being released to the British public is being carefully stage managed.

[11182]

Hayron buldim, hamma Musulmon aka singillarimizning kuyida ovora, lekin bir zot kurbonlar borasida suz demadi. Usha kaltafahm terrorchilar bilishmaydiki, barcha kaltak kelib uzlarining aka-ukalarining boshida sinadi. Kuzatishim buyicha, Nasroniy va Yahudiylar sekin sekin quzg'ala boshladilar. Moskvadagi yurtdoshlarimiz skinhedlarning, usha yosh fashistlarning qurboni bulmasa bulgali, beslan vokealaridan sungi kunlar kabi. Hammaga sabr tilab, Vafot etganlarga Alloh :subhan: ning marhamatini tilab qolguvchi yurtdoshingiz.
Wassalam.

[democrat]

Bu oshna, buttga forumga kelib olib haded oloh palloh deyavermasdan.. bundok odamlarga uxshab gaplshsangizchi..
dinniy bolsangiz ozingizga yaxshi.. lekin forum.uz dinniy forum emas shekilli manimcha.
eshligimdan dinniy odamlarni emon korganman, bittasi koshnim Kosim amakimi? kecha deng utga butga otgan oemlarni orkasidan utib yurgan, arok kolsin vino ichib kimor uynab yurgan amakimi.. bugun ozicha hammaga akl orgatib, dinniy domla bolib kolgan.. .
eh.. bu dinni odamlarni ustirmaydi..
eh oshna sizdakalarni bilaman.. sizlarni desa shu Uzbekistan sizga uxshagan 3-4 ta dinniy fanatlar kelib olsaku shunga hursand bolasizlar..
yana bitta gapni aytaman.. Uzbekistonda islom dinni hukumronlik kilar ekan, va din siosatga aralashar ekan, Uzbekistonni kelazhagi yok va Afganistonni 4-5 yilikka ahvolliga teng boladi, bosmachilar, kallakesarlar, aellar hukuklari paymon bolgan, chopon kiyb olib sokol ustirib ozlarini portlatib yuradilar..
ahmoklar..


Hayron buldim, hamma Musulmon aka singillarimizning kuyida ovora, lekin bir zot kurbonlar borasida suz demadi. Usha kaltafahm terrorchilar bilishmaydiki, barcha kaltak kelib uzlarining aka-ukalarining boshida sinadi. Kuzatishim buyicha, Nasroniy va Yahudiylar sekin sekin quzg'ala boshladilar. Moskvadagi yurtdoshlarimiz skinhedlarning, usha yosh fashistlarning qurboni bulmasa bulgali, beslan vokealaridan sungi kunlar kabi. Hammaga sabr tilab, Vafot etganlarga Alloh :subhan: ning marhamatini tilab qolguvchi yurtdoshingiz.
Wassalam.

[ДЖИГИТ]

Explosions In London - Who Stands To Gain? Israel Warned, Cover-up In Progress

Prisonplanet | July 07 2005 (http://prisonplanet.com/)

BREAKING: Scrambled cover-up to try and change prior knowledge story.

Original reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned BEFORE the first blast, now all the Associated Press reports are being changed to say he was warned AFTER the first blast, for example this article (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-07-israel-londonblasts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA).

The article linked below that we saved in our own format (and the website that carried it has strangely since crashed) said that Netanyahu was warned before the first blast.

Israel are now denying (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=122106240&p=yzzyx68zx)they got a warning.

BREAKING: Scotland Yard says it got a warning before the attack and told Israel.

"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."

Full article here (http://propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2005/070705israelwarned.htm).

The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge went out for an hour or more. They knew it was an attack but put out a false explanation. Plus why did Netanyahu get a warning and the victims didn't?

We have been told that the events unfolding today were "inevitable", London's transport network has been hit with multiple explosions. Both the Underground and Buses have been hit. Events are still unfolding.

We predicted this would happen over a year ago (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/033004_Stasi_London.html) after analyzing the propaganda and fearmongering that was being ratcheted up to the extreme in London. Paul Joseph Watson has predicted these events as imminent several times on The Alex Jones Show in recent months.

Tony Blair is not in London but safely tucked up in Scotland with 7 other World Leaders including President Bush. The political eyes of the world are on Britain this week. The Mayor of London Ken Livingstone is in Singapore where the IOC has just awarded the Olympic Games to London, he is rushing back to the city.

Just like the events of 9/11, ask yourself, who stands to gain from this? Could this have been organized by any group other than one who has direct unlimited access to all areas of London's transport grid at all times?

The similarities with the Madrid bombing of 3/11/04, which we have persistently highlighted as an inside intelligence operation, are stark with bombs on separate trains set off within minutes of each other as the trains neared the stations. The so called perpetrators were quickly linked to an "Al Qaeda" cell in Europe but later as we reported were linked to the Spanish Security service (http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062104madridbombers.htm). They then mysteriously Killed themselves (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/03/world/spain_blast040403) as this information was seeping out. It then became apparent that Spain's government was using the bombings for its own gains (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/230605twistedbombings.htm) and many went to the streets in Spain to declare they knew that their own government was behind the attacks. Further Intelligence (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/%20http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/230704aznarwithholds.htm) was withheld by the government, we expect the same will happen in Britain after today's attacks.

This has MI5 written all over it. Just watch that national ID card legislation sail through. Only 15% of the country supported the government after the last election, this will ensure total fealty to a smarmy Blair and whatever he wants to do. Ken Livingstone and the opposition parties will now have no grounds to reject ID card legislation, especially with the Olympics coming to London in 2012.

The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlaid onto all forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID card. Although MI5 operations are normally more sophisticated than things like 9/11, in that the evidence linking it to the government is more carefully covered, just watch for the evidence of inside involvement to trickle out. MI5 have been caught involved in IRA bombings multiple times over.

Alex has said over and over that as attacks on different sections of the transportation grid occur they are going to have police state setup in the areas. Now it will be on the buses, subways etc.

FLASHBACK: Schumer Wants Airport Screening Technology in Malls (http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062104schumerwants.htm)

The military-industrial complex has the motive in this latest atrocity. Every major western government, including the British, has been caught red-handed carrying out bombings against their own people and blaming it on external enemies. It is mainstream news in Spain that the government was involved in the 3/11 bombing. The London 7/7 bombings are nothing different. Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror. Support our work, spread the word, expose who is gaining power from terrorism, or our freedoms will be lost.

Hours after the attacks the media is still not providing extensive coverage. We would expect to see hundreds of eyewitness accounts and footage of the train stations. Independent London reporter Simon Aronowitz, who has a contact within the BBC, has reported that journalists are finding the coverage of the situation highly irregular. It seems that the information being released to the British public is being carefully stage managed.

[R.Azimov]

Кеч булсада вокеа жойидан.

Кеча жуда хам кеч ётганим учун эрталаб соат саккиз атрофида аранг уйгондим. Эртага уйга кетаман, тушгача ишхонамдан справка олиб элчихонага боришим керак, тушдан кейин АИУ да хужжат масалалари буйича учрашувим бор.

Соат туккиздан утган, йулда кетаяпман. "Whitechapel" метросига тушиб, "Farringdon" бекатига боришим керак, метрога якинлашдим, "peak time" булганлиги учун одам жуда куп, лекин негадир ичкарига хеч кимни киргизишмаяпти, хамманинг огзида поезд авария булганмиш, бир бирига урилганмиш, портлаб кетганмиш деган гап. Метро ёпилди, купинча шунака булади узи бу станция, шошилган пайтда индамасдан ёпиб куйишади, мажбуран кейинги бекатга боришингиз керак.

Tугри "Aldgate East" станциясига йул олдим, ораси бир кадам, икки хатласам етиб оламан деб уйладим, чунки йулда хам харакат тухтаб колган эди. Юз метр юрар юрмас шундоккина йулнинг каршисидаги Хоспиталдан каторасига 6-7 та тез ёрдам машинаси чинкирик сигналлар билан тухтаб колган машиналар орасидан марказга шошилаётганини курдим. Одамлар хайрон, нима содир булгани хали хеч кимга аник эмас, шу жумладан менга хам.

"Aldgate East"га якинлашдим, метронинг хар икки кирадиган эшигининг олди тез ёрдам, ут учириш, полиция ва яна махсус хизмат машиналари билан тулиб кетган. Йуловчи машиналарни эса оркага кайтариб юборишаяпти. Одам гиж-гиж, хамма шошиб колган, бирпасда -поездлар портлаб кетаёган эмиш, террористлар поездларда узини узи портлатиб юборган эмиш деган гаплар таркалди.
Факат расмлардагина курган манзарани курдим. Куткарув хизмати ичкаридан конга ботган, вахимага тушиб бакираётган, юзлари коракуя булиб кетган одамлар билан биргаликда хушдан кетган, куллари узилай-узилай деб осилиб колган, юзлари таниб булмайдиган даражага келиб, идраб кетган одамларни ташкарига чикариб, баъзиларига шу ернинг узида тиббий хизмат курсатиб, асосий кисмини каторлашиб навбатда турган тез ёрдам машиналарига ортиб хоспиталга зув-зув катнай бошлашди.

Куз унгимда "носилка"да факат оёк билан кулни курдим. Тана йук, факат яримта оёк билан кул. Ерлар кон булиб кетган, куткарувчиларнинг хам кийимлари ола-була булиб, коракуя аралаш кип кизил конга ботган...
Полиция одамларни таркалишга чакирди, бошка жойларда хам портлашлар булганини, хамма уй уйига жунаб колиши кераклигини айтиб одамларни хайдай бошлади. Энди вокеа жиддий эканлигини одамлар тушуниб ета бошлади шекилли, секин аста хамма бу ердан "суриб колишни" бошлади.

Танишларимдан 2 тасига телефон килиб, хол ахвол сурай олдим, кейин алока йуколди. Кимга телефон килсам телефоним "user busy" дея бошлади. Омма бирпасда вокеадан хабардор булди, бу пайтга келиб кучалар одамга тулиб кетган эди. Хамма каёккадир югурган, бир-бирларига телефон килган, бутун шахар буйича метро ва автобус катнови тухтаган, каерга караманг факат полиция, тез ёрдам ва махсус хизматчиларнинг машиналари, тиш тирногигача куролланган барзангилар ва автомат кутариб олган "рамакижон" аскарларни курасиз.

Эл катори уйга йул олдим, телефоним халиям ишламаяпти. Соат уч-турт атрофида уйга кириб келдим, Телевизорда карийб хамма каналлар янгиликларни "live" курсатиш билан бирга одамларни уйларидан чикмасликка, шахар марказига кирмасликка, туп-туп булиб бир жойда турмасликка чакираяпти...

Кузим олдидан халиям "носилка"даги узилиб тушган оёк кулллар кетмаяпти.

Хозирча миш-мишларга урин йук, мусулмонми, яхудийми, бало-баттарми хеч ким билмайди. Ал Каида ташкилоти уюштирган деган гаплар билан бирга, айтишларига кура Г8 учрашуви бунга асосий сабаб булган булиши мумкин эмиш.

Энди Лондон хам Тошкент булади. Хар кадамда полиция "прописка"нгизни сурайди, каерга кетаяпсан, нега кетаяпсан, качон келасан каби хар куни такрорланавериб кулокка урнашиб колган саволлар,
белни махкам боглаб олиб уйма-уй изгиб юрган "Home Secretary" Чарлз Кларкка Тони Блейр хам ёрдамга кушилиб колса керак якинда. Бугундан бошланди узи харакатлар...

[Dadasi]

Will you shut up saying muslims?

[Pythagor]

Кеч булсада вокеа жойидан....:shock: Alloh saqlabdi...

Begunoh ketganlarni joylari jannatdan bo'lsin.

[democrat]

who are you talking to?

Will you shut up saying muslims?

[Dadasi]

who are you talking to?

Every human being on this planet!

[R.Azimov]

BBC dan rasmlar.


Яна битта хайрон колган жойим шуки, бу ерда мана шунака ходисалар булганда энг олдин дод-вой килиб чопиб юрганларга ёрдам бериларкан, улим холатида ётганларга эмас :(.
Бизга(Узб.да) "белини ёки елкасини ушлаб дод солиб чопиб юрганлардан кура кимирламай ётиб колганлар купрок ёрдамга мухтож, энг аввало ушаларга ёрдам бериш керак" дейишарди. :(

P.s: Yana bir biringizning yoqangizdan olishni boshladingizmi-a? ? ?

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Bu oshna, buttga forumga kelib olib haded oloh palloh deyavermasdan.. bundok odamlarga uxshab gaplshsangizchi..
dinniy bolsangiz ozingizga yaxshi.. lekin forum.uz dinniy forum emas shekilli manimcha.
1) Oshna emas, Singlim yoki opa.(sabab Islomiy yondashuv emas, oshnaning female shaklini izlab topa olmadim)
2)Ikkinchidan, odamga uhshamasdan gapirgan bulsam, uzr. Tushinmadim nima talab tushganini, kaysi kismi Odamnikiga ushamapti?
3)Forum uzni diniy, yoki Ateistlarniki ekanligi tugrisida adashmasan, bir ogiz ham suz bulgani yuk. Lekin Bu Vokeani dunyo ahli hozir aynan Islom dini bilan bog'lashi tabiiy. Shuni nazarga olgan holda, Boshka forumlarni ukib chikib, ularning fikrini bilib turib yozdim. Yani-Londondagi vokealar natijasida, Musul'monlar(afsuski Musulmon deganda Kopchilik bu toifaga Arab, Yakin Shark, Arabiy Zabon, va hakozani umumlashtiradi) hayoti ogirlashadi dedim.
eshligimdan dinniy odamlarni emon korganman, bittasi koshnim Kosim amakimi? kecha deng utga butga otgan oemlarni orkasidan utib yurgan, arok kolsin vino ichib kimor uynab yurgan amakimi.. bugun ozicha hammaga akl orgatib, dinniy domla bolib kolgan.. .
eh.. bu dinni odamlarni ustirmaydi..
Siz Aynan Diniy odamlarni yomon kormagansiz, Siz Usha dinni uz yulida, kulay kilib ishlata biladiganlarni yomon korasiz, men ham.
Ayollar kabi gap sotib, uni-buni giybatini kilgan, lekin nomoz ukiganu, paranzhi kiygan Dindorlarni Yomon korasiz, men ham. Siz Din borasida, Huddi Hudoga uhshab gapiradigon Dindorlarni yomon korasiz, men ham. Siz Diniy bilimga egaman deb uylab, boshkalarni yahshi-yomonga chikargan dindorlarni yomon korasiz, men ham. Lekin bu narsalarni Londonda bulib utgan mudhish vokealarga aslo alokasi bulmasa kerak.

eh oshna sizdakalarni bilaman.. sizlarni desa shu Uzbekistan sizga uxshagan 3-4 ta dinniy fanatlar kelib olsaku shunga hursand bolasizlar..
Siz meni bilmaysiz, Demokrat dustim. Men terrorchimidimki Hursand bulgani. Unday kilib kuch bilan tortib olingan Kalimayu, Kuch islatish bilan kiritilgan Dinda nima etishmaydi bilasizmi? Iymon. Ming insonni urib, otib, Ogzidan kalimani sugurib olsangiz ham, Dilida hafa bulib, aytgan suzlaridan jirkanib tursa, Unaka Musul'monkik ikki pulga arzimaydi. Islomga Muhabbat kuymok Lozim, Islomdan kurkish emas. Siz aytgan hamma usha shahslar-Koshningiz Kosimjonu, usha Londondagi ishlarning mualliflari insonlarda aynan Islomdan Kurkish, va nafratlanish tuygularini uygotadi. Siz kabi men ham Ularni yomon kuraman.
yana bitta gapni aytaman.. Uzbekistonda islom dinni hukumronlik kilar ekan, va din siosatga aralashar ekan, Uzbekistonni kelazhagi yok va Afganistonni 4-5 yilikka ahvolliga teng boladi, bosmachilar, kallakesarlar, aellar hukuklari paymon bolgan, chopon kiyb olib sokol ustirib ozlarini portlatib yuradilar..
ahmoklar..
Men Radikal Dindorlarning davlat boshkaruviga kelishiga karshiman. Lekin Masjidga namoz ukish uchun borgan insonning Kistovga olinishi, Davlat tomonidan ruyhatga koyilishi Hech kanday Demokratik Davlatda amalda kullanilmaydigon, va hattoki aklga sigmaydigon Ish. Ayollar Huquqini tilga olibsiz, ayollar huquqigina emas, har bir fukaroning huquqi muqaddas bulmogi lozim. Chunki, ayollarni zurlash, erkaklarni nasha tashlab kuyib, kamokhonalarda chiritish, porahurlik kilish, na Islomda, na Dunyo Demokratik Tazjribasida Oklanmaydi.
Wassalam.

Postimning asosiy manosi esa, aksincha, nega fakat Musul'monlarning Kelazhagi kiyinlashishini uylab, Halok Bulgan Londonliklar tugrisida aslo gahurlik hidi kelmaydi degan manodagi gap edi.

Wassalam.

[democrat]

Kechirasiz singlim, sizni man erkak kishi deb uylabman..
siz bilan tortishishga maksadim yok.. fakat men oz fikrimni bildirdim holos..
yani bor uzr, konglingizga olmang


1) Oshna emas, Singlim yoki opa.(sabab Islomiy yondashuv emas, oshnaning female shaklini izlab topa olmadim)
2)Ikkinchidan, odamga uhshamasdan gapirgan bulsam, uzr. Tushinmadim nima talab tushganini, kaysi kismi Odamnikiga ushamapti?
......
Postimning asosiy manosi esa, aksincha, nega fakat Musul'monlarning Kelazhagi kiyinlashishini uylab, Halok Bulgan Londonliklar tugrisida aslo gahurlik hidi kelmaydi degan manodagi gap edi.

Wassalam.

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Kechirasiz singlim, sizni man erkak kishi deb uylabman..
siz bilan tortishishga maksadim yok.. fakat men oz fikrimni bildirdim holos..
yani bor uzr, konglingizga olmang
Gap Tortishuvda emas, Demokrat aka. Butun Mano, Terroristlar ham, Davlatimizning Boshligi ham oltin meyorni bilmasliklarida. U tomonning ham, bu tomonning ham aybi bor. Buni tan olish lozim. Aytdimku, men Unday dindorlani yomon koraman. :rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

Gap Tortishuvda emas, Demokrat aka. Butun Mano, Terroristlar ham, Davlatimizning Boshligi ham oltin meyorni bilmasliklarida. U tomonning ham, bu tomonning ham aybi bor. Buni tan olish lozim. Aytdimku, men Unday dindorlani yomon koraman. :rolleyes:
Men hech qachon musulmonlar bunday ishlarni qilishiga ishonmayman. Toshkentdagi hamma teraktlarda hukumatni aybdor deb bilaman. Karimov eng katta terrorist.

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Men hech qachon musulmonlar bunday ishlarni qilishiga ishonmayman. Toshkentdagi hamma teraktlarda hukumatni aybdor deb bilaman. Karimov eng katta terrorist.
Ularni Musulmon demang, Islomda bunday konhurliklar yuk.

[Gareeb]

Ularni Musulmon demang, Islomda bunday konhurliklar yuk.
Men aytmoqchi bo'lganim aynan musulmonlar shu narsada ayblanmoqda. Nima biz ham qo'l qovushtirib turishimiz kerakmi? Ayblandi degani aybdor degani emasku to'grimi?
Islom bunday ishlarga buyurmasligi aniq. Lekin bu degani qo'y ogzidan cho'p olmaslik kerak degani emas... Hammasini o'z o'rni bor..

[democrat]

gaplaringizni zhuda kollab kovatlayman..
lekin singlim men koprok Uzbekistonda yashoytgan aellarga koprok rahmi keladi erkaklardan kora..
tarihda uzbek ayollari kiynailib yashashgan.. men usha davr dinniy davr kaytib kelishini hohlamayman..


Gap Tortishuvda emas, Demokrat aka. Butun Mano, Terroristlar ham, Davlatimizning Boshligi ham oltin meyorni bilmasliklarida. U tomonning ham, bu tomonning ham aybi bor. Buni tan olish lozim. Aytdimku, men Unday dindorlani yomon koraman. :rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

gaplaringizni zhuda kollab kovatlayman..
lekin singlim men koprok Uzbekistonda yashoytgan aellarga koprok rahmi keladi erkaklardan kora..
tarihda uzbek ayollari kiynailib yashashgan.. men usha davr dinniy davr kaytib kelishini hohlamayman..
Ogayni siz menimcha Uzbekistonda hech bo'lmagan ko'rinasiz. Borib uzbek ayollaridan so'rang , katta yoshli momolarimizdan so'rang tarihda hech qachon uzbek ayoli mardikorlik qilganmikin? Bir burda non uchun o'z tanasini sotganmikin? Balkim Amerika tarihida yoki o'sha demokratik deb atalgan davlatlar tarihida o'tgandir. lekin Islom tarihida ayollar juda ham aziz bo'lishgan. Hozirgidek horlik tarihda bo'lmagan..

[democrat]

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Ogayni siz menimcha Uzbekistonda hech bo'lmagan ko'rinasiz. Borib uzbek ayollaridan so'rang , katta yoshli momolarimizdan so'rang tarihda hech qachon uzbek ayoli mardikorlik qilganmikin? Bir burda non uchun o'z tanasini sotganmikin? Balkim Amerika tarihida yoki o'sha demokratik deb atalgan davlatlar tarihida o'tgandir. lekin Islom tarihida ayollar juda ham aziz bo'lishgan. Hozirgidek horlik tarihda bo'lmagan..

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gaplaringizni zhuda kollab kovatlayman..
lekin singlim men koprok Uzbekistonda yashoytgan aellarga koprok rahmi keladi erkaklardan kora..
tarihda uzbek ayollari kiynailib yashashgan.. men usha davr dinniy davr kaytib kelishini hohlamayman..
Din kachon gullaydi, bilasizmi Demokrat aka? Ozodlikda. Har kanday Mafkura:diniymi, dunyoviymi oz holiga koyib koyilganda uz yuzini ochadi. Yani, Saudiya arabistonidagi Musul'mon bilan, NYC nasroniylari orasida yashayotgan Musul'monlarni olsak, NYC dagi Musul'monlarga menda Hurmat balandrok. Sababki, Dindorlar ichida dindor bulish oson, Uzgalar ichida Iymonni yukotmaslik esa kiyin. Shundan kelib chikkan Holda, Hakikiy Musul'monlar aynan AQSH, Canada, UK da yashaydi desam ham bulaveradi. Chunki ular hech kimni zurlashmaydi, hech kim tomonidan kistovga olinmaydi Nomoz uki deb. Uz hohishlaricha borishadi. Mana shu holos fikrim.
Urta Asrlardagi Vokealar:Voyaga etmagan kizlarni roziligisiz turmushga uzatmok, yoshi bir joyga etganda yosh kizlarga uylanmoklik Islomda yuk narsa. Mana shunday Dindorlarning aybi deb, Islomdan kochishadi

[SmIlIk]

Blair blames Islamic terrorists (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html)
Sooo sad... the USA, Spain, UK are coutries with high muslim population and it seems like someone is really targeting this same countries to make it harsher on muslims.

The Group of al Qaeda of Jihad Organization in Europe claimed responsibility in a Web site posting. The authenticity of the claim could not immediately be verified. (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/mayor.livingstone.ap/index.html))

Blair stressed that the bombers did not reflect the views of most Muslims.

"We know that these people act in the name of Islam, but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims here and abroad are decent, law abiding people who abhor the act of terrorism every bit as much as we do," he said.

[Gareeb]

Blair blames Islamic terrorists (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html)
Sooo sad... the USA, Spain, UK are coutries with high muslim population and it seems like someone is really targeting this same countries to make it harsher on muslims.
Kim bo'lardi Islom dushlamlarida..
Gay-lesbianlarni Islom qoralagan desangiz ham extremistsiz.. Iroq wa Afgonistondagi musulmonlarni tarafini olsangiz ham extremistsiz.. Islomiy hayot tarziga amal qilaman desangiz ham extremistsiz..
Mana shu atamalar hammasi : terrorizm, extremizm, fundamentalizm - hammasi Islomga qarshi qo'llash uchun ishlab chiqilgan..
Aslida ana shunday deyayotganlarning o'zi terrorist, exteremist, fundamentalist.
Secular fundamentalistlar, terroristlar, extremistlar..
Bular haqiqiy Islomni ko'rishga ko'zlari yo'q.. Islomni hayot maydonigha qaytishidan o'lgudek qo'rqishadi. Buni oldini olish uchun harqanday pastkashlikka ham borishadi.. Hatto o'z fuqarolarini ham qurbon qilishdan tap tortishmaydii. Mana shunday teraktlar shuning oqibatidir.. Yo'qsa bunday narsalardan musulmonlarga nima foyda???

[Joe_Blake]

Kim bo'lardi Islom dushlamlarida..
Gay-lesbianlarni Islom qoralagan desangiz ham extremistsiz.. Iroq wa Afgonistondagi musulmonlarni tarafini olsangiz ham extremistsiz.. Islomiy hayot tarziga amal qilaman desangiz ham extremistsiz..
Mana shu atamalar hammasi : terrorizm, extremizm, fundamentalizm - hammasi Islomga qarshi qo'llash uchun ishlab chiqilgan..
Aslida ana shunday deyayotganlarning o'zi terrorist, exteremist, fundamentalist.
Secular fundamentalistlar, terroristlar, extremistlar..
Bular haqiqiy Islomni ko'rishga ko'zlari yo'q.. Islomni hayot maydonigha qaytishidan o'lgudek qo'rqishadi. Buni oldini olish uchun harqanday pastkashlikka ham borishadi.. Hatto o'z fuqarolarini ham qurbon qilishdan tap tortishmaydii. Mana shunday teraktlar shuning oqibatidir.. Yo'qsa bunday narsalardan musulmonlarga nima foyda???Man oxirgi payt Al-Qaeda ning asl musulmonlar tashkil etishiga shubhalana boshladim :rolleyes:

[SmIlIk]

Man oxirgi payt Al-Qaeda ning asl musulmonlar tashkil etishiga shubhalana boshladim :rolleyes:
Shubhaga asos bo'lishi kerak...biz bilan baham ko'rsangiz yaxshi bo'lardi.

[PainKiller]

Shubhaga asos bo'lish kerak...biz bilan baham ko'rsangiz yaxshi bo'lardi.
a nikakoy asas pasos ne nuzhen, esli emu v golovu vzbrelo znachit eto i est' tak LOL:lol:

[ДЖИГИТ]

Islom diniga (tarihiy nisbatdan 7 asrdan) boshlab to qiyomatgacha tosh otiladi, negaki Islom dinining boshqa dinlardan ko'ra aniq, ravshan, muqaddas, o'zgartirilmagan, pok, ulug' qonunlari, odamzot tarihida kazzob, makkor siyosatchilarga doim to'siq bo'lib turgan va bo'lib turadi, shuning uchun ham unga tosh otiladi. Ahamiyat beringchi, qaysi bir davlatda portlashlar bo'lsa darrov musulmonlar deb ayiblaydi, hattoki yahud Islom (Isxoq) Karimov (Mirzakantov) o'zi ottirib, o'zi Al Qaeda, wahhabiylar deb yana Islomni qoraladi. Al Qaeda va boshqa nom olgan islomiy harakatlar esa islom dini va musulmonlar orasiga nizo tushurish, musulmonlarni kim haq va kim nohaq ekanligini chalkashtirib yuborish, kuchsizlashtirish maqsadida g'ayri din mamlakatlari tomonidan o'ylab chiqilgan uslubligini hamma biladi. Musulmonlar millatidan qat'iy nazar bir-birlarini birodar bo'ladigan davr esa Mahdi davriga to'g'ri keladi, InshaAllah bu Allohning bandasi yaqin orada chiqadi.

[Gareeb]

Islom diniga (tarihiy nisbatdan 7 asrdan) boshlab to qiyomatgacha tosh otiladi, negaki Islom dinining boshqa dinlardan ko'ra aniq, ravshan, muqaddas, o'zgartirilmagan, pok, ulug' qonunlari, odamzot tarihida kazzob, makkor siyosatchilarga doim to'siq bo'lib turgan va bo'lib turadi, shuning uchun ham unga tosh otiladi. Ahamiyat beringchi, qaysi bir davlatda portlashlar bo'lsa darrov musulmonlar deb ayiblaydi, hattoki yahud Islom (Isxoq) Karimov (Mirzakantov) o'zi ottirib, o'zi Al Qaeda, wahhabiylar deb yana Islomni qoraladi. Al Qaeda va boshqa nom olgan islomiy harakatlar esa islom dini va musulmonlar orasiga nizo tushurish, musulmonlarni kim haq va kim nohaq ekanligini chalkashtirib yuborish, kuchsizlashtirish maqsadida g'ayri din mamlakatlari tomonidan o'ylab chiqilgan uslubligini hamma biladi. Musulmonlar millatidan qat'iy nazar bir-birlarini birodar bo'ladigan davr esa Mahdi davriga to'g'ri keladi, InshaAllah bu Allohning bandasi yaqin orada chiqadi.
100% qo'shilaman

[Ahmet]

Islom diniga (tarihiy nisbatdan 7 asrdan) boshlab to qiyomatgacha tosh otiladi, negaki Islom dinining boshqa dinlardan ko'ra aniq, ravshan, muqaddas, o'zgartirilmagan, pok, ulug' qonunlari, odamzot tarihida kazzob, makkor siyosatchilarga doim to'siq bo'lib turgan va bo'lib turadi, shuning uchun ham unga tosh otiladi. Ahamiyat beringchi, qaysi bir davlatda portlashlar bo'lsa darrov musulmonlar deb ayiblaydi, hattoki yahud Islom (Isxoq) Karimov (Mirzakantov) o'zi ottirib, o'zi Al Qaeda, wahhabiylar deb yana Islomni qoraladi. Al Qaeda va boshqa nom olgan islomiy harakatlar esa islom dini va musulmonlar orasiga nizo tushurish, musulmonlarni kim haq va kim nohaq ekanligini chalkashtirib yuborish, kuchsizlashtirish maqsadida g'ayri din mamlakatlari tomonidan o'ylab chiqilgan uslubligini hamma biladi. Musulmonlar millatidan qat'iy nazar bir-birlarini birodar bo'ladigan davr esa Mahdi davriga to'g'ri keladi, InshaAllah bu Allohning bandasi yaqin orada chiqadi.

InsAllah, InsAllah...

[HarunYahya]

O God, I knew that after all this just moslems will be blamed like always...
"Islamic Terror", "Al-Qaeda", (anything against Islam, in which innocent moslems are blamed) or any similar news are making me crazy...

What the $$$ is happening to these americans and europeans???

I've just met my neighbour here in Berlin. He was so sorry for all those victims in London was blaming "Islam" simultaneously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN????????


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That's enough!!! From now on I'll be reporting only about:


THE CHRISTIAN TERROR!!!

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And I WILL NOT CARE if you agree with me or not!!! And I DO NOT CARE if I get some warnings...


peace.....




Sadly, the fact that the perpetrators of various terrorist acts carry Christian, Muslim or Jewish identities cause some people to put forward claims which do not concur with divine religions. The truth is that even if terrorists have Muslim identities, the terror they perpetrate cannot be labelled "Islamic terror", just as it could not be called "Jewish terror" if the perpetrators were Jews or "Christian terror" if they were Christians. That is because, as will be examined in the following pages, murdering innocent people in the name of a divine religion is unacceptable.

http://www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php

[Ahmet]

Dear Mr. Harun Yahya,

I do agree with your last statement above but.....

PLEASE DO NOT EVEN TRY TO STOP ME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! OK??!!!

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Here are some information for all you who would like to learn the "TERROR THOUGHTS" of the Christianity (The Faith of Love:lol:):

If you had to name just one topic that has dominated the global conversation in the first few years of the 21 century, so-called "Islamic Extremism" would probably be at the top of your list. It's certainly dominated conversation in the United States ever since September 11, 2001.
"Christian Terrorism" was in the United States long before its Islamic counterpart was unleashed on New York and Washington, DC.

"In the Book of Exodus, in the Old Testament of the Bible that both Jews and Christians revere, there's a passage that says - and this is God speaking - 'I will spread my terror before me, and spread my confusion to all the people.' Now most Christians and Jews regard this as one image of God which, in the minds of most Christians, is a very loving, peaceful God," he said. "And yet, there is this passage within the Bible that if you read it closely, justifies terrorism. "

And yet Jesus as "pacifist" is just one depiction of Christ in the Bible. Members of Reverend Schenck's own organization, the National Clergy Council, have pointed to other, less gentle images when justifying blockades of abortion clinics… and even the war in Iraq. In the Book of Revelation, for example, Jesus is depicted as a soldier, vanquishing the enemies of God. Christians believe these passages describe a future battle between Christ and Satan, known as Armageddon. But according to Michael Barkun, a political science professor at Syracuse University who advises the FBI on Christian extremist groups, some people believe Armageddon isn't in the future. It's happening now.

Read more about THE CHRISTIAN TERROR under: http://ethnikoi.org/terror.html

[Ahmet]

OK, Let's start with "Orthodox Bull's XXX":twisted:

You must have already heard about the topics presented below but I just wanted to refresh your hatred:cool:

Just enjoy them all!

http://ethnikoi.org/saintdog.html

http://ethnikoi.org/persecutions.html

http://ethnikoi.org/aidsscare.html

http://ethnikoi.org/rapists.html

http://ethnikoi.org/wedding.html

http://ethnikoi.org/devilsarse.html
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A site for victims of abuse in the orthodox church:

http://www.pokrov.org/

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to be continued:lol:

[Bevafo]

Bugun Chexiani motbuotlarida hammasiga Toni Bleir aybdor degan ma'no dai maqola chiqqan...

va shu maqolaning davomi sifatida qizil harflar bilan navbat PRAGA gami degan maqola chiqargan....

[Guardian]

Blair blames Islamic terrorists (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html)
Sooo sad... the USA, Spain, UK are coutries with high muslim population and it seems like someone is really targeting this same countries to make it harsher on muslims.
Dear Smilik:

I have seen Tony Blair's first statement on London blasts. He said like followings: (these are not original words but the meaning was pretty close to the one i quote underneath) We believe these attacks were not carried out by tru muslims. We know Islam is relagion of peace and its true followers will not do such acts. We have discussed these issues with British Muslim Counsil, and we want our communities to firmly unite as never before.

It seems Zionist media are targeting to frame Islam once again. CNN should be one of them, in this case.

[Black]

LONDON, July 8, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – The Muslim Council of Britain reportedly received more than 1,000 emails containing threats and messages of hate immediately after the heinous London blasts, raising deep concerns for the sizeable minority in Britain and prompting a call for unity by British media Friday, July 8.

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2005-07/08/article01.shtml

[referee]

LONDON, July 8, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – The Muslim Council of Britain reportedly received more than 1,000 emails containing threats and messages of hate immediately after the heinous London blasts, raising deep concerns for the sizeable minority in Britain and prompting a call for unity by British media Friday, July 8.

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2005-07/08/article01.shtml

out of 1000 e-mails I guess 30% must be frustrated Tory supporters and 70% must be BNP fascist scums....

[var]

OK, Let's start with "Orthodox Bull's XXX":twisted:

You must have already heard about the topics presented below but I just wanted to refresh your hatred:cool:

Just enjoy them all!

http://ethnikoi.org/saintdog.html

http://ethnikoi.org/persecutions.html

http://ethnikoi.org/aidsscare.html

http://ethnikoi.org/rapists.html

http://ethnikoi.org/wedding.html

http://ethnikoi.org/devilsarse.html
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A site for victims of abuse in the orthodox church:

http://www.pokrov.org/

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to be continued:lol:
что за х..я?

[Ahmet]

что за х..я?

That's my question as well!:cool:
These christian mother XXXs are always like that...

[Guardian]

out of 1000 e-mails I guess 30% must be frustrated Tory supporters and 70% must be BNP fascist scums....
Indeed! I can't understand why BNP is allowed to work as a legal party? They are scumbag nazis..., and Veritas are in the same group.

On topic: In general, British people are enough civilized.:yes: Most British public will not hurt or blame Islam blindly as it was in the US's post 9/11.

[Guardian]

Updated: Friday, 8 July, 2005, 15:42 GMT 16:42 UK
More than 50 people died in the London bomb attacks, the head of the Metropolitan Police has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4663931.stm
BBC NEWS | UK | London bombs killed 'at least 50'

[Ahmet]

Updated: Friday, 8 July, 2005, 15:42 GMT 16:42 UK
More than 50 people died in the London bomb attacks, the head of the Metropolitan Police has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4663931.stm
BBC NEWS | UK | London bombs killed 'at least 50'

It's just OK:cool:
It`s nothing in comparison with Iraq or Afghanistan bombings taking place almost every day...

These christian europeans (espec.in London) have to see and feel how it is to be attacked or bombed!

What? 50 victims so far???
Ah, come on people......

[Guardian]

It's just OK:cool:
It`s nothing in comparison with Iraq or Afghanistan bombings taking place almost every day...

These christian europeans (espec.in London) have to see and feel how it is to be attacked or bombed!

What? 50 victims so far???
Ah, come on people......
You are freak loser! :evil: Every single life is sacred no matter their religion, colour, shape, location, race & etc. How would you feel if your dear/ beloved person was in that bus/tube? Wake up...!!!

[PainKiller]

It's just OK:cool:
It`s nothing in comparison with Iraq or Afghanistan bombings taking place almost every day...

These christian europeans (espec.in London) have to see and feel how it is to be attacked or bombed!

What? 50 victims so far???
Ah, come on people......
Вот вместо того что-бы Банить и давать варнинги без причин, Модеры вот таких Козлов должны банить. Вы мне дайте опять варнинг, сказав что козел это плохо сказанно. А как можно назвать человека который радуется смерти людей??:evil:

[Joe_Blake]

Вот вместо того что-бы Банить и давать варнинги без причин, Модеры вот таких Козлов должны банить. Вы мне дайте опять варнинг, сказав что козел это плохо сказанно. А как можно назвать человека который радуется смерти людей??:evil:
Bundaylarni munofiq desangiz juda to'g'ri aytgan bo'lasiz,
agar noto'g'ri bo'lsa Gareeb to'g'rilab yuborishi mumkin

[PainKiller]

Bundaylarni munofiq desangiz juda to'g'ri aytgan bo'lasiz,
agar noto'g'ri bo'lsa Gareeb to'g'rilab yuborishi mumkin
Garib tugirlab Yuboradi? U kim, Forumning Diniy Maslahatchisimi?

[Joe_Blake]

Garib tugirlab Yuboradi? U kim, Forumning Diniy Maslahatchisimi?
U mendan din bo'yicha ancha ustunroq, shuning uchun undan maslahat olishga harakat qilaman

[Dadasi]

These christian europeans (espec.in London) have to see and feel how it is to be attacked or bombed!

What? 50 victims so far???
Ah, come on people......

Ahmet, PLEASE you are a human, and they are humans too.. why do people have to be bombed..? are you out of your mind?

AND FOLKS, PLEASE STOP YOUR RACISM!

[Mamothy]

Откуда вещаем?
Из Ирака или Афганистана?
Небось сидит в какой-нибудь христианской европейской стране,
блин, на всем готовом и туда же... Скотство...


It's just OK:cool:
It`s nothing in comparison with Iraq or Afghanistan bombings taking place almost every day...

These christian europeans (espec.in London) have to see and feel how it is to be attacked or bombed!

What? 50 victims so far???
Ah, come on people......

[PainKiller]

Откуда вещаем?
Из Ирака или Афганистана?
Небось сидит в какой-нибудь христианской европейской стране,
блин, на всем готовом и туда же... Скотство...
Мамонти, вас за это могут забанить...вы с этим не шутите.;)

[Joe_Blake]

It's just OK:cool:
It`s nothing in comparison with Iraq or Afghanistan bombings taking place almost every day...

These christian europeans (espec.in London) have to see and feel how it is to be attacked or bombed!

What? 50 victims so far???
Ah, come on people......
Sizga bir savol, hafa bo'meng
Millatiz bilan Diningizni aytolmeysizmi? :rolleyes:

[PainKiller]

Sizga bir savol, hafa bo'meng
Millatiz bilan Diningizni aytolmeysizmi? :rolleyes:
Men ayta olaman. Millati uzbek yuki shunga uhshash/balkim kirgiz yoki tojikdir, Dini Islom. Yana uzini kutamiz.:rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

Men ayta olaman. Millati uzbek yuki shunga uhshash/balkim kirgiz yoki tojikdir, Dini Islom. Yana uzini kutamiz.:rolleyes:
Qaerdan fol ocha qoldiz? :shock:

[PainKiller]

Qaerdan fol ocha qoldiz? :shock:
Uzr, Islomda gunoh ediya, aytmokchi hehe :lol:

[Gareeb]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/news/newsid_4666000/4666359.stm

[Alliance]

Namuncha voximagarchilik urtoglar?!:)
To'g'ri lekin bir tomondan, vzrivi i eshe v Londone i td i tp...
No bitta narsaga xayronmandi, xozir novostilani kursam xam eshitsam xam tolko Londonni gapiradi:) i + forumga kirsam xam xuddi shu syujetla:) a vot BAGHDADda pochti xar kuni , tochno takoy vzrivla buladi, daje xuje... i qanchalap jertvala(childs & females) buladi..
Uttayam xuddi shu begunox odamlar postrodat qiladi, no novostilarni kursayiz, bu xolatni xuddi oddiy, xar kuni bulib turadgan xolatday qilib kursatadi...odamlar xam urganib ketgan, smisli kuziyam i qulogiyam piship ketgan bu newslarni eshitib...
A vot Londonskiy blastslani xamma gapirvotti, kuda ne plyun xamma shu bilan ovora, xamma obsujdayut etu temu, potomu chto tam pogibli nevinnie lyudi toist vosnovnom anglikosi ili grajdani UKa!
A kogda, kajdiy den umerayut mirnie lyudi (iraqchani) v Baghdade eto nekto daje ne dumaet, nu naverno dumayut daje no bunaqa voxima qilishmidi....
Koroche govorya, xammamizni xudoni uzi saqlasin!

[Gareeb]

Namuncha voximagarchilik urtoglar?!:)
To'g'ri lekin bir tomondan, vzrivi i eshe v Londone i td i tp...
No bitta narsaga xayronmandi, xozir novostilani kursam xam eshitsam xam tolko Londonni gapiradi:) i + forumga kirsam xam xuddi shu syujetla:) a vot BAGHDADda pochti xar kuni , tochno takoy vzrivla buladi, daje xuje... i qanchalap jertvala(childs & females) buladi..
Uttayam xuddi shu begunox odamlar postrodat qiladi, no novostilarni kursayiz, bu xolatni xuddi oddiy, xar kuni bulib turadgan xolatday qilib kursatadi...odamlar xam urganib ketgan, smisli kuziyam i qulogiyam piship ketgan bu newslarni eshitib...
A vot Londonskiy blastslani xamma gapirvotti, kuda ne plyun xamma shu bilan ovora, xamma obsujdayut etu temu, potomu chto tam pogibli nevinnie lyudi toist vosnovnom anglikosi ili grajdani UKa!
A kogda, kajdiy den umerayut mirnie lyudi (iraqchani) v Baghdade eto nekto daje ne dumaet, nu naverno dumayut daje no bunaqa voxima qilishmidi....
Koroche govorya, xammamizni xudoni uzi saqlasin!
Inglizlarni shohi bor, ular hammani er tishlatsa mayli lekin o'zlarini tuki ham to'kilmasligi kerak. Iroqda o'layotganlar musumonlar, qancha o'lsa shuncha yahshi. Qancha notinchlik bo'lsa bular shuncha uzoq muddatga qolishlari mumkin.

[Alliance]

Gareeb okam uzim xam bilgandim chtos siz 1-bub yozishizni:)
Prosto xayot qiziqdi okam, inglizlarda qon tukilish bulsa, butun dunyo poderjka qiladi, xamma teroristlarga qarshi kurashamiz deydi, itd i tp.
a iroqliklarda qon tukilsachi?!....
Iroqdagi portlashlar (man faqat portlashlarni nazarda tutyapman, yani odamlarni ulishini etmayapman) bilan esa faqatgina birja sohasida ishlaydiganlarga qiziq ili shu iroq orqali soqqa qivotganlaga:)

[Gareeb]

Gareeb okam uzim xam bilgandim chtos siz 1-bub yozishizni:)
Prosto xayot qiziqdi okam, inglizlarda qon tukilish bulsa, butun dunyo poderjka qiladi, xamma teroristlarga qarshi kurashamiz deydi, itd i tp.
a iroqliklarda qon tukilsachi?!....
Iroqdagi portlashlar (man faqat portlashlarni nazarda tutyapman, yani odamlarni ulishini etmayapman) bilan esa faqatgina birja sohasida ishlaydiganlarga qiziq ili shu iroq orqali soqqa qivotganlaga:)
Ha kim bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar bekordan-bekor nobud bo'lganlarga achinamiz. Mana qarang shu Londonda ham birorta siyosatchi yoki davlat arbobi o'ldimi? Hamma yoqni rasvosini chiqarganlar shu siyosatchilar, baloga qolgan oddiy xalq. Qani bu terrorizmga qarshi kurashayotganini natijasi. 2001 yildan beri dunyodagi havsizlik bir necha barobarga yomonlashdi. Terrorga terror bilan javob beriladigan bo'lsa dunyoda hech qachon tinchlik bo'lmaydi.

[Mahmud]

Ha kim bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar bekordan-bekor nobud bo'lganlarga achinamiz. Mana qarang shu Londonda ham birorta siyosatchi yoki davlat arbobi o'ldimi? Hamma yoqni rasvosini chiqarganlar shu siyosatchilar, baloga qolgan oddiy xalq. Qani bu terrorizmga qarshi kurashayotganini natijasi. 2001 yildan beri dunyodagi havsizlik bir necha barobarga yomonlashdi. Terrorga terror bilan javob beriladigan bo'lsa dunyoda hech qachon tinchlik bo'lmaydi.

Har bir terrorda qaysidir davlatga foyda bor-da...
Shuning uchun hech narsadan tap tortishmeydi :rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

Har bir terrorda qaysidir davlatga foyda bor-da...
Shuning uchun hech narsadan tap tortishmeydi :rolleyes:
Ha shuni gapiryapmizda. Bir balosi bo'lmasa , shudgorda quyruq na qilur deb bekorga aytishmaganda ..

[Alliance]

Har bir terrorda qaysidir davlatga foyda bor-da...
Shuning uchun hech narsadan tap tortishmeydi :rolleyes:
Da gapiz tugri...teror xam foyda degani uzi:) foyda tufayli ish kurish:)
Pomoinu, xali Londonda yana bitta bolshoy koncert-show buladi, postradavshiylarga bagishlanib....
Shunda xam shu savol bilan sizlarga murojat qilaman, Iroqda shuncha begunoh xalq ulyapti lekin xech kim koncert organizovat qilayotgani yuq, nima sababdan deb?!:)

[Mahmud]

Ha shuni gapiryapmizda. Bir balosi bo'lmasa , shudgorda quyruq na qilur deb bekorga aytishmaganda ..

Bundan bir necha yilcha oldin, Amerika qurol sotish haqida konsepsiyami ishlab chiqqandi...
Lekin, o'sha konsepsiyaga o'zlari imzo chekishmagandi :rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

Bundan bir necha yilcha oldin, Amerika qurol sotish haqida konsepsiyami ishlab chiqqandi...
Lekin, o'sha konsepsiyaga o'zlari imzo chekishmagandi :rolleyes:
Odamlar ko'zini ochish payti keldi. Bu ketishda hech qanaq terrorni to'htatib bo'lmaydi. Terrorga qarshi kurashyapmiz deyayotganlar, terrorning tegirmoniga suv quyishmoqda. Terror nimadan kelib chiqadi? Shunchaki qiziqishdan emas.Qiziqishga odam o'ldiradiganlar ular Amerika soldatlari. Lekin terrorni keltirib chiqaradigan omillarni ildizi juda chuqur. Bu narsalarni birinchi o'rinda Garb davlatlari fuqarolari hal qilishi kerak, o'z hkumatlaridan girrom siyosat yurgizishni bas qilishni talab etishlari kerak. Aks holda butun dunyoda notinchlik hukm suraveradi.

[Asadbek]

It's just OK:cool:
...
Har bir Insonni hayoti qadrli!

You have been Warned for extremistic post!

[Administrator]

Ahmet
eto voyna zapada s arabami ,zapad bombit ih v irake a arabi delayut eto v londone ,v new yorke i v madride.. .
A nam ne stoyit sovat nos v ihniye dela,pust sami mejdu saboy razbirayutsaa..

[Jwel]

You are freak loser! :evil: Every single life is sacred no matter their religion, colour, shape, location, race & etc. How would you feel if your dear/ beloved person was in that bus/tube? Wake up...!!!

Well said Joe.

Ahmet you should consider changing your name to something more dark suits your freaking sick soul:evil:

[Ahmet]

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I'm Ahmet 28, from Bosnia who has no legs and can't see properly.

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From moderator: Wow, you hate them so much, that you could find this Forum and post here... Yashshavor goga!

Your post has been edited and you have been warned!

[lavelaso]

ok, my dear islam-haters.

'd like to XXX all those ones who insulted and blamed moslems only because of these bombing attacks.

Just tell me, how many mothers of yours were raped just because they believed in Allah, and not in his Messanger Isa (pbuh)??????????????

it should not be mothers only, sisters could be raped as well because of their religion.

Whose father was brutally killed, but before had to watch the rape of his wife????????????????????

They didn't kill me because I accepted Christianity (orth.) by force and had to help them....
I had no choice..

You don't have to believe me but that's the story of my family (1993-1994)

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I'm Ahmet 28, from Bosnia who has no legs and can't see properly.


Sorry, but I've all the rights to hate those (orthodox) christian soldiers who did that to my family..........

I HATE ALL THE CHRISTIANS AND WILL DO THAT TILL THE END OF MY LIFE!!!!!!

I guess u have the right to hate the soldiers not because they are christians, but because they did that to you. Think twice. You cant hate all religious people thats just stupid.

[PainKiller]

I'm Ahmet 28, from Bosnia who has no legs and can't see properly.


Sorry, but I've all the rights to hate those (orthodox) christian soldiers who did that to my family..........

I HATE ALL THE CHRISTIANS AND WILL DO THAT TILL THE END OF MY LIFE!!!!!!
Well, how do u type and see the screen if u cannot see properly?
About converting stuff-Why do u call rself a Christian Orthodox? U r not, unless u wanted it. When somebody is forcing u to change ur religions, it can be that way on the paper, but As long as u consider urself Muslim, u r Muslim.

[INSOMNIA]

Interesting article. did not read it myself yet, but it seems to be...

"Правая.ru": Израильский след лондонских терактов



Расследование прогремевших 7 июля в лондонском метро взрывов еще только начинается, но уже сейчас можно с большой степенью уверенности сказать, что один аспект этой истории с течением времени будет становиться только всё более и более загадочным. Речь идёт о проскользнувших в первые часы после терактов сообщениях о том, что сотрудники Скотланд-Ярда успели предупредить о них израильтян. Вслед за (http://muslimuzbekistan.com/rus/rusnews/2005/07/rusnews12072005_21.html)

[Shokirbek]

Interesting article. did not read it myself yet, but it seems to be...

"Правая.ru": Израильский след лондонских терактов



Расследование прогремевших 7 июля в лондонском метро взрывов еще только начинается, но уже сейчас можно с большой степенью уверенности сказать, что один аспект этой истории с течением времени будет становиться только всё более и более загадочным. Речь идёт о проскользнувших в первые часы после терактов сообщениях о том, что сотрудники Скотланд-Ярда успели предупредить о них израильтян. Вслед за (http://muslimuzbekistan.com/rus/rusnews/2005/07/rusnews12072005_21.html)

Можно ожидать от сионистов чего угодно, кстати, они всегда действуют за кулисами.

[adagio]

NO COMMENT!!!!

http://left.ru/2005/11/letter128.phtml

Я посылаю это письмо британскому народу и, особенно, жителям Лондона. За несколько часов вы пережили моменты безысходного страха и ужаса. В эти часы вы потеряли своих родных или друзей. И я хочу сказать вам с полной откровенностью, что мы тоже плачем, когда уходят человеческие жизни. Я даже не могу сказать вам, как сильно ранит наши души лицо другого человека, искаженное отчаянием и болью.....

Так скажите семьям тех, кто погиб при взрывах в Лондоне, что ответственность за это лежит на Тони Блэре и его политике. Остановите свою войну против моего народа! Остановите ежедневные убийства, что совершают ваши солдаты! Прекратите оккупацию моей родной страны! ...

[Guardian]

i wouldn't hurry on making conclusion who has operated the attckas. But, can say it was somehow motivated by unjistifable wars in Iraq and Afhanistan.

Yankees ;), have you seen what G Bush said in Virginia FBI training camp? :shock: He is so-o-o-o appalingly stupid ... huuuh-h-h , I doubt he is mentally mature. :evil:

[gafer]

Imona get them A.s.a.p.

[referee]

Можно ожидать от сионистов чего угодно, кстати, они всегда действуют за кулисами.

иногда и не за кулисами - сегодна на ббс радио 4 бывшего начальника израильских секретных служб пригласили на интервью чтоб поделится опытом с британцами как мочить правильней "террористов". Израилю лучшего чем лондонских взрывов и не снилось - одним понимающим партнером в борьбе с палестинцами и в поддержку полной колонизации палестины для сионистов больше стало....
Слышали наверно про 2.5 миллиардов которых израиль запросил чтоб из Газы своих пересилить - за такие бабки их можно было бы в Антарктику пересилить....

[fgerfr]

Обратите внимание на то, как всё это время вёл и продолжает вести себя официоз Великобритании. Лично у меня сложилось такое впечатление, что Блэр и компания что-то замалчивают и недоговаривают в своих пламенных речах. И, вообще, что-то я не заметил на лицах и в комментариях представителей властей Великобритании по поводу случившихся терактов, так называемого, эффекта растерянности и неожиданности. Очевидно, что тут приложило руку такая организация, как МИ-6. И все эти воинственные и горячие заявления преступника Блэра и других бандитов есть всего лишь необходимая часть общей операции. Вот так Британия противится исламизации Европы - откровенно дискредитируя последователей ислама и создавая прямые предпосылки для выдавливания мусульман с Европейского континента. Помимо всего этого, видимо, преследовалась цель тактически перехватить инициативу у Шанхайской организации сотрудничества (ШОС), особенно, в свете последних недвусмысленных заявлений в Астане по поводу дислокации воинских частей соответсвующих государств на территории Средней Азии.

NO COMMENT!!!!

http://left.ru/2005/11/letter128.phtml

Я посылаю это письмо британскому народу и, особенно, жителям Лондона. За несколько часов вы пережили моменты безысходного страха и ужаса. В эти часы вы потеряли своих родных или друзей. И я хочу сказать вам с полной откровенностью, что мы тоже плачем, когда уходят человеческие жизни. Я даже не могу сказать вам, как сильно ранит наши души лицо другого человека, искаженное отчаянием и болью.....

Так скажите семьям тех, кто погиб при взрывах в Лондоне, что ответственность за это лежит на Тони Блэре и его политике. Остановите свою войну против моего народа! Остановите ежедневные убийства, что совершают ваши солдаты! Прекратите оккупацию моей родной страны! ...

[Crazy Diamond]

Police today said they believe they know the identity of the fourth of the suspected bombers who killed at least 52 people in last week's attack on London's public transport.

The man, like the other three, was British-born and lived in West Yorkshire. Police believe he was a friend of the other attackers and lived an outwardly ordinary life in the Leeds area.

Three of the suspected bombers, who are thought to have died in the explosions, were named as Mohammed Sadique Khan, 30, of Dewsbury, and Hasib Hussain and Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Leeds. Friends and family said they had no idea they had become extremists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1527699,00.html

[Gareeb]

Обратите внимание на то, как всё это время вёл и продолжает вести себя официоз Великобритании. Лично у меня сложилось такое впечатление, что Блэр и компания что-то замалчивают и недоговаривают в своих пламенных речах. И, вообще, что-то я не заметил на лицах и в комментариях представителей властей Великобритании по поводу случившихся терактов, так называемого, эффекта растерянности и неожиданности. Очевидно, что тут приложило руку такая организация, как МИ-6. И все эти воинственные и горячие заявления преступника Блэра и других бандитов есть всего лишь необходимая часть общей операции. Вот так Британия противится исламизации Европы - откровенно дискредитируя последователей ислама и создавая прямые предпосылки для выдавливания мусульман с Европейского континента. Помимо всего этого, видимо, преследовалась цель тактически перехватить инициативу у Шанхайской организации сотрудничества (ШОС), особенно, в свете последних недвусмысленных заявлений в Астане по поводу дислокации воинских частей соответсвующих государств на территории Средней Азии.

Qerdagi maqolalardan ko'chrima qilib, ichiga sal-pal o'zgartirishlar kiritib post qilishda davom etyapsizmi yana? ;)

[referee]

FOR MUSLIMS IN THE UK, PLEASE READ BELOW (AND FEEL FREE TO RE-POST IT ELSEWHERE ON THE FORUM):

Muslim Safety Forum - Community Update 12/07/05
There have been five anti-terrorist searches carried out today near Leeds, West Yorkshire, these searches are related to the incident last Thursday.

The MSF is working closely with the police and are being kept abreast of all major developments.

Advise to organisations:

(1) Contact all branches both locally and nationally and inform them of the situation.

(2) Ask them to speak to all local mosques and vulnerable Muslim communities.

(3) Be vigilant for any Islamophobic crimes and encourage individuals to report incidents.

(4) Ask Mosques / Muslim centres to meet with local police, and ask for message of reassurance to community.

There has been an increase in reported Islamophobic attacks over last few days. These may increase over the next few days. Please be vigilant.

Mosque Fire bombed. - Berkinhead, Liverpool.
Mosque criminal damage nineteen windows damaged - Stepney Green
Islamophobic Graffitti, Stepney Green School.
Criminal Damage - Mosque NW London
Bomb Hoax, Mosque North London
Youth Assaulted - Barking & Dagenham
Bomb Hoax - Harrow
Bomb Hoax - Newham
Criminal Damage -Battersea
Threats to cause criminal damage - Haringey
Attempted Arson - Sikh Temple (Kent)
Large Number of Islamophobic e-mail / text sent to various organisation.
Bomb Hoax - Kensington

We would encourage members of our community to report Islamophobic incidents, see useful links below. We arw sure that the above is a small reflection of total picture.

List of local police stations
http://www.met.police.uk/local/

Telephone Reporting

Some police stations have telephone reporting systems in place during office hours, please ask if appropriate.

Online Internet reporting of Hate Crime - for non urgent scenarios.

https://www.online.police.uk/secure/english/notifier_status.asp

(This method of reporting can save a few hours attending local police station)

Hate text messages on mobile phones.

Please leave messages in "inbox" do not delete or save elsewhere.

Any spitting incidents.

Please retain clothing with saliva samples for police forensic examination.

More Crime Prevention / Community Safety Advice, and other useful links

http://www.met.police.uk/crimeprevention/business.htm

http://www.online.police.uk/english/useful_sites.asp

A Family Assistance Centre.

A centre has been set-up to help families with relative missing since the attack.

The centre is located at Queen Mother's Sports Centre on 223 Vauxhall Bridge Road London, SW1V 1EL

see:
http://cms.met.police.uk/news/major_operational_announcements/terrorist_attacks/family_assistance_centre

Please pass on the above information to individuals, your members and circulate as widely as possible. Please contact the following MSF members if you have any further queries:

Tahir Butt 07792 507856
Muhammad Abul Kalam 07939 059819
Naeem Darr 07887 553419

Notes:

The MSF is an umbrella organisation made up of national and regional Islamic organisations including: Muslim Directory, MAB, IFE, MCB London Affairs Committee, YMO UK, Muslim College, FAIR, Amal Trust, The London Central Mosque, London Muslim Centre, Muslim Parliament, FOSIS, ISB, Muslimaat UK, Avenues School, Somali Muslim Community, UKIM, MPAC, Stop Political Terror, Ershad Centre, BanglaMedia, Iqra Trust, Association of Muslim Police, Al-Khoei Foundation, UMO, Muslim Welfare House, Women's Relief.

The MSF is the key advisory body for the Police Service and has signed a working protocol with the Metropolitan Police to build better police / community relations. It has been advising the police on matters of safety and security from the Muslim perspective for over four years now.

It meets on a monthly basis with senior representatives of ACPO and the MPS, the MPA, Home Office and the IPCC amongst others.

[fgerfr]

Всё это дело сводится к тому, чтобы, если так можно выразиться, приручить приверженцев ислама, сводится к тому, чтобы изжить в них некоторые черты, присущие, как кое-кто думает, исламу, а именно, воинственности и агрессивности. Все эти провокации имеют цель предотвратить усиление возрастающего влияния ислама в мире как некой цельной и законченной системы ценностей и взглядов, способной поставить под сомнение ныне властвующую западную.

[Gareeb]

Всё это дело сводится к тому, чтобы, если так можно выразиться, приручить приверженцев ислама, сводится к тому, чтобы изжить в них некоторые черты, присущие, как кое-кто думает, исламу, а именно, воинственности и агрессивности. Все эти провокации имеют цель предотвратить усиление возрастающего влияния ислама в мире как некой цельной и законченной системы ценностей и взглядов, способной поставить под сомнение ныне властвующую западную.
Safsata sotishni qachon bas qilamiz a..?

[SNB_UZB]

Axborot kursatuvini korasilami uzi? Yoki faqat yolgon yashulaga tola chet el yangiliklarini kuzatib otrasilami?

londondagi portlashlada pokistonga,afgonistonga alokasi bolgan 4 ta musulmon terrorchi sababchi bogan ekan.
Ula londondan uzok bir shaharda yasharkan uzlari.


Sanla bosa davlatni uzi, musulmonla emas deb aytasanla.

Uzbekistondayam shunaka vokelar bolganda muholifat ekstremistlari muhtaram prezidentimizga tuhmat kilishga urinshgandi.


Koilani ochila. musulmon terroristlari.

[fgerfr]

Извини, но я не понимаю тебя.

Safsata sotishni qachon bas qilamiz a..?

[Gareeb]

Извини, но я не понимаю тебя.
Shame to you if you do not understand uzbek.. ;)

[fgerfr]

What did you wish to tell me?

Shame to you if you do not understand uzbek.. ;)

[Gareeb]

What did you wish to tell me?
I wish not to talk to you..

[fgerfr]

Then why you make comments on my messages?

I wish not to talk to you..

[fgerfr]

Террористические акты в Лондоне в очередной раз убеждают нас в том, кто был организатором Андижанского мятежа. Именно, речь идёт о США и Великобритании. Что им до граждан Узбекистана, если они идут даже на массовое лишение жизней собственных граждан?

[Alchemist]

ya ne soglasen s tvoim mneniem paren, toshto proizoshlo v londone eto bil terroristicheksiy akt, pogiblo mnogo ludey poetomu ne ishi vinovnih esli sam neznaesh, a nashet uzbekistana kto bi shtobi ne ustroil tam, prezident ne imel pravo strelyat v neviniy narod.

Террористические акты в Лондоне в очередной раз убеждают нас в том, кто был организатором Андижанского мятежа. Именно, речь идёт о США и Великобритании. Что им до граждан Узбекистана, если они идут даже на массовое лишение жизней собственных граждан?

[fgerfr]

Брат, не всё так просто, как тебе кажется, а говорю я что-то только лишь потому, что, как раз, знаю об этом. Была поставлена задача подавить вооружённый, повторяю, вооружённый мятеж, и он был подавлен.


ya ne soglasen s tvoim mneniem paren, toshto proizoshlo v londone eto bil terroristicheksiy akt, pogiblo mnogo ludey poetomu ne ishi vinovnih esli sam neznaesh, a nashet uzbekistana kto bi shtobi ne ustroil tam, prezident ne imel pravo strelyat v neviniy narod.

[Alchemist]

voruzheniy mytezh??? slushay ti voobshe nichego neznaesh shto tam proizoshlo, vot teper poslushay suda, 16 letniy pacan vishel iz doma shol na bazar shtobi zarabotat deneg i kak nibut pro kormit svoyu semiyu, po doroge kogda on shol nachalas perestrelka, paren poluchil ranenie v nogu, posle etogo k nimu podhodit soldat i dobivaet ego v golovu, eto spravedlivo??? takih sluchaev tam bilo mnogo, esli karimov postupil pravilno pochemu on ne dopuskaet mezhdunarodnogo rasledovanie???? znachit boitsya shto vse vilezet, kak ya ponil ti pomoemu ot uzbekskih gazet vse uznal gde pishut shto uzbekistan samaya procvetaushaya strana. Znaesh v uzbekistane bolshe 80% naseleniya bednie, poetomu yasno shto ludi budut pitatsya lubim putem borotsya protiv pravitelstva, da konechno naverno eto bila oshibka shto oni nacheli ispolzovat oruzhie, no eshe bolshe oshibku dopustilo pravitelstvo kotoroe dovilo nash narod do takogo.

Брат, не всё так просто, как тебе кажется, а говорю я что-то только лишь потому, что, как раз, знаю об этом. Была поставлена задача подавить вооружённый, повторяю, вооружённый мятеж, и он был подавлен.

[fgerfr]

Как это не будет прискорбно сказать, но всё это - частности, порой, весьма трагичные и обидные. Но суть дела заключается не в этом, а в том, что власти Узбекистана доказали свою состоятельность в вопросе способности противодействия попыткам отдельных государств и организаций поставить под сомнение неприкосновенность и незыблемость суверенитета страны. О международном расследовании можешь забыть, говорю тебе сразу. А как насчёт того, чтобы выдвинуть инициативу по проведению международного расследования по поводу последних взрывов в Лондоне и роли преступника Блэра и некоторых государственных организаций Великобритании во всём этом деле? Не думаю, что британцы будут рады этому. Тем более, Узбекистан категорически против известных провокационных инициатив по расследованию, связанных с бунтом в Андижане.


voruzheniy mytezh??? slushay ti voobshe nichego neznaesh shto tam proizoshlo, vot teper poslushay suda, 16 letniy pacan vishel iz doma shol na bazar shtobi zarabotat deneg i kak nibut pro kormit svoyu semiyu, po doroge kogda on shol nachalas perestrelka, paren poluchil ranenie v nogu, posle etogo k nimu podhodit soldat i dobivaet ego v golovu, eto spravedlivo??? takih sluchaev tam bilo mnogo, esli karimov postupil pravilno pochemu on ne dopuskaet mezhdunarodnogo rasledovanie???? znachit boitsya shto vse vilezet, kak ya ponil ti pomoemu ot uzbekskih gazet vse uznal gde pishut shto uzbekistan samaya procvetaushaya strana. Znaesh v uzbekistane bolshe 80% naseleniya bednie, poetomu yasno shto ludi budut pitatsya lubim putem borotsya protiv pravitelstva, da konechno naverno eto bila oshibka shto oni nacheli ispolzovat oruzhie, no eshe bolshe oshibku dopustilo pravitelstvo kotoroe dovilo nash narod do takogo.

[Alchemist]

Slushay o chem ti govorish?? Uzbekistan odno iz samih bednih gosudartstv v mire ne sravnivay nas s Britaniey, mi ne sposobni stoyat na oboih nogah kak Britaniya, u nas dazhe esli i est pravosudie ono sovsem ne sabludaetsya, koroche paren ti sovsem ne znaesh o chem ti govorish, ti ili ochen glupiy, ili sovsem slipoy, ludey perestreryali a ti govorish shto uzbekistan dokazal shto to, eto ne uzbekistan dokazal a karimov dokazal shto on sposoben prinemat glupie reshenie, i ne nado govorit uzbekistan, uzbekistan eto narod kotoroe bolshinstvo golodaet i mechtaet uehat ottuda, vot dochego doveli moy radnoy uzbekistan.

Как это не будет прискорбно сказать, но всё это - частности, порой, весьма трагичные и обидные. Но суть дела заключается не в этом, а в том, что власти Узбекистана доказали свою состоятельность в вопросе способности противодействия попыткам отдельных государств и организаций поставить под сомнение неприкосновенность и незыблемость суверенитета страны. О международном расследовании можешь забыть, говорю тебе сразу. А как насчёт того, чтобы выдвинуть инициативу по проведению международного расследования по поводу последних взрывов в Лондоне и роли преступника Блэра и некоторых государственных организаций Великобритании во всём этом деле? Не думаю, что британцы будут рады этому. Тем более, Узбекистан категорически против известных провокационных инициатив по расследованию, связанных с бунтом в Андижане.

[Alex]

Террористические акты в Лондоне в очередной раз убеждают нас в том, кто был организатором Андижанского мятежа. Именно, речь идёт о США и Великобритании. Что им до граждан Узбекистана, если они идут даже на массовое лишение жизней собственных граждан? Кто они? И причем здесь Андижан? Никакой связи нет. Что-то тебя опять заносит.

[Alex]

Брат, не всё так просто, как тебе кажется, а говорю я что-то только лишь потому, что, как раз, знаю об этом. Была поставлена задача подавить вооружённый, повторяю, вооружённый мятеж, и он был подавлен. И кто тебя в известность потавил? ЦРУ? :lol: :lol: Знаешь - давай выкладывай факты, шифоровки, документы. :lol:

[Alex]

Как это не будет прискорбно сказать, но всё это - частности, порой, весьма трагичные и обидные. Но суть дела заключается не в этом, а в том, что власти Узбекистана доказали свою состоятельность в вопросе способности противодействия попыткам отдельных государств и организаций поставить под сомнение неприкосновенность и незыблемость суверенитета страны. Ну почему у тебя "Узбекистан" и "суверенитет страны" = Каримов и его Правительство. Это совершенно разные понятия. Ну что тебе так дался этот Каримов, чем тебе он так симпатичен?

[var]

Ну почему у тебя "Узбекистан" и "суверенитет страны" = Каримов и его Правительство. Это совершенно разные понятия. Ну что тебе так дался этот Каримов, чем тебе он так симпатичен?
Вообще Каримов самостоятельный политик который сам определяет с кем ему на данный момент выгоднее сотрудничать, следовательно и Узбекистаном он управляет самостоятельно. Следоваетельно Узбекистан "суверенное государство" Как Каримов управляет это другой вопрос.

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Террористические акты в Лондоне в очередной раз убеждают нас в том, кто был организатором Андижанского мятежа. Именно, речь идёт о США и Великобритании. Что им до граждан Узбекистана, если они идут даже на массовое лишение жизней собственных граждан?
How your logic works? How can you get such unlogical conclusions? Could not see any more unlogical statements. Yes you are right, today I saw a beggar sleeping on the street, that is, according to your logic, the US and UK organized uprising in Andijan. Am I right?

[Gareeb]

Robert Fisk: We Should Have Listened To Bin Laden

By Robert Fisk

"If you bomb our cities," Osama bin Laden said in a recent videotape, "we will bomb yours."' It was clear Britain would be a target ever since British Prime Minister Tony Blair decided to join President Bush's "war on terror" and his invasion of Iraq. We had, as they say, been warned. The G-8 summit was obviously chosen, well in advance, as Attack Day.

It's no use Blair telling us, "They will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear." They are not trying to destroy "what we hold dear." They are trying to get public opinion to force Blair to withdraw from Iraq, out of his alliance with the United States, out of his adherence to Bush's policies in the Middle East. The Spanish paid the price for their support for Bush -- and Spain's subsequent retreat from Iraq proved that the Madrid bombings achieved their objectives -- while the Australians were made to suffer in Bali.

http://www.1924.org/media_monitor/index.php?id=2011_0_30_0_C

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Я прошу прощения, но всё именно так, как я о том говорю. Можете не сомневаться в этом.


How your logic works? How can you get such unlogical conclusions? Could not see any more unlogical statements. Yes you are right, today I saw a beggar sleeping on the street, that is, according to your logic, the US and UK organized uprising in Andijan. Am I right?

[Gareeb]

Обращает на себя внимание тот факт, что выдвинутая версия фактически не предъявляет никаких фактов и полностью построена на догадках полиции. Особенно подозрительным является находка не ясно как сохранившихся в эпицентре взрыва паспортов предполагаемых смертников. До сих пор паспорта на месте взрывов находила лишь путинская ФСБ. Теперь, судя по всему, путинским ноу-хау решили воспользоваться и британские власти.



Кроме того, не понятно, с какой целью предполагаемые смертники взяли с собой паспорта? Лондон не Москва и проверок паспортного режима посреди улицы в этом городе не практикуют. Разве что бы облегчить поиски полиции? Этот же вопрос, кстати, задали и некоторые британские СМИ, которые со ссылкой на источник в полиции не исключили, что документы (по другим данными это были водительские удостоверении) были подброшены.



http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2005/07/14/36082.shtml

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Так глядишь скоро начнут находить свидетельства о рождении.


Обращает на себя внимание тот факт, что выдвинутая версия фактически не предъявляет никаких фактов и полностью построена на догадках полиции. Особенно подозрительным является находка не ясно как сохранившихся в эпицентре взрыва паспортов предполагаемых смертников. До сих пор паспорта на месте взрывов находила лишь путинская ФСБ. Теперь, судя по всему, путинским ноу-хау решили воспользоваться и британские власти.



Кроме того, не понятно, с какой целью предполагаемые смертники взяли с собой паспорта? Лондон не Москва и проверок паспортного режима посреди улицы в этом городе не практикуют. Разве что бы облегчить поиски полиции? Этот же вопрос, кстати, задали и некоторые британские СМИ, которые со ссылкой на источник в полиции не исключили, что документы (по другим данными это были водительские удостоверении) были подброшены.



http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2005/07/14/36082.shtml

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HERE'S INTERESTING VIEW ON LEGITIMATE AND ILLEGITIMATE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE:

Ostracising Hamas will not help in the search for peace[/size]

The west has to recognise this group's growing popularity

Jonathan Steele in Gaza
Friday July 15, 2005
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)

It seemed bizarre at first, in the wake of the London attacks, to sit down with men whose organisation has sent hundreds of suicide bombers into Israeli cities. But it was a valuable reminder that the use of political violence on civilians, however brutal, always has a specific context. To respond by declaring a generalised "war on terror" or condemning "this assault on civilised values" obscures the problem and makes the search for solutions harder. Hamas - or the Islamic Resistance Movement in Palestine, to give its full name - denounced the London bombs within the first hours. They give both moral and pragmatic reasons. The victims were not legitimate targets - too remote to bear any responsibility for the crimes the bombers were avenging.

"One of our aims is to have good relations with Europe and all peoples of the world," says Salah al-Bardawil, chief columnist for al-Risala, the Hamas weekly. "There is a big difference between our attitude towards Israel and our view of Europe. Hamas decided 15 years ago not to transfer the struggle outside Palestine."

The target of his anger stares him in the face daily. The high concrete walls of the Gush Katif settlement, with its gun towers and mine-strewn death strip, is less than 200 yards from his book-lined study. These are not random commuters at King's Cross but armed occupiers who had no hesitation in supporting their own government's use of violence against civilians, and only rebelled when Sharon chose to close the Gaza settlements.

Hamas regularly hit the settlements with mortars and home-made rockets. When the Gaza withdrawal began to seem genuine early this year, Hamas declared a ceasefire, which included a halt to its suicide bombers going into Israel (this week's bombing in Netanya was carried out by another group, Islamic Jihad).

Al-Bardawil talks of the "logic of war, which Israel imposed on us, forcing Palestinians to do the same". And he says: "When I see a bombing in Tel Aviv on TV, I sometimes cry. We have not lost our humanity."

Ghazi Hamed, al-Risala's editor, says: "Hamas killed around 300 people in the four years of the intifada. Israel killed about 4,000, including 400 children under 16."

Tit-for-tat arguments about the cycle of terror are not the main feature of the Hamas story. More relevant is the fact that the movement is rapidly gaining strength among Palestinians.

After a decade of frustration since the Oslo agreement - with no peace, no prosperity, and still no internationally recognised state - people are looking for new flagbearers. They feel Hamas has upheld Palestinian dignity and can offer a chance of ending corruption.

Voters rewarded it with a string of victories in local and municipal polls this year, in the West Bank as well as Gaza. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah movement did so poorly that he is delaying the parliamentary elections for fear that Hamas would win them too.

So the crusade for democracy that Bush has been pushing in the Middle East is facing its greatest challenge not in Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Lebanon but in Palestine, where large turnouts are freely choosing leaders whose suspicions of western policy could hardly be deeper. Will the US press for early elections and accept the result?

"Hamas supporters are in every home and every family," says Ziad Abu-Amr, an independent MP and analyst. "They are the new power. They are part of our claim to pluralism."

The green flag of Hamas provocatively flutters on lamp-posts along the roads outside the ministry buildings in Gaza City, where Fatah appointees still cling to power.

In Bani Suheila, where Hamas won 12 of the 13 seats, the new mayor is a 69-year-old businessman who draws no salary, and uses his own battered Mazda instead of the official car. A cultural centre financed by western aid that only used to admit Fatah loyalists now hosts women's sewing classes and computer courses for young people on an open-door basis. Along with its municipal functions, Hamas retains the movement's network of private welfare centres.

Yet Hamas's short-term confidence is coupled with a sense of Palestine's strategic weakness. The movement's meteoric rise goes along with nervousness about taking power at this stage and a feeling that Palestinians would do better with a government of national unity after the elections than with another round of single-party rule.

The imminent departure of Jewish settlers is seen as a trap. Palestinians will be able to travel freely within Gaza without Israeli checkpoints and road closures. But Israel will retain control over access to the outside world, turning Gaza into a giant prison. The withdrawal, Hamas says, has won Sharon western praise and bought him more time to expand settlements on the West Bank. "Sharon will say he's testing the Palestinians to see whether they are civilised or barbarians," says Ghazi Hamed. "We will be worrying about mounds of garbage and trying to get investment, while he carries on building a wall around Jerusalem."

Mahmoud al-Zahar, known as one of the more hawkish Hamas leaders, says the agenda behind Sharon's withdrawal is "to minimise Israeli suffering, reduce international pressure and get round the intifada". "It is a waste of time to talk to him. Do you think Palestinians sacrificed in order just to secure Gaza? The intifada should continue," he insists.

Where does this leave the west? The G8 summit produced impressive promises of cash - $3bn a year over the next three years. But "throwing money at the problem is not as useful as throwing politics at it", in the words of an official in the current government. He wants western pressure on Sharon to allow Gaza's airport to reopen, let its exports move quickly to market, and guarantee no more attacks on its infrastructure.

The west must also recognise Hamas's popularity. The Palestinian population is becoming more militant, not less. Caught between a rampant Sharon and a declining Abbas, the European Union, if not Washington, has to define a new policy.

It is not enough to clutch at the hope that, once in power, Hamas will be de-fanged. Hamas is starting a difficult internal debate over the terms on which it might negotiate with Israel. But to expect it to abandon its armed struggle before a peace agreement is foolish.

Western governments that go on ostracising Hamas as a terrorist organisation and make vacuous calls on Abbas to "crack down on the militants" only disarm themselves. The "war on terror" rhetoric makes things harder, and the London attacks do not help to bring reason. But the need for even-handedness and cool western heads in the search for peace between Israel and the Palestinians has never been more urgent.

[Gareeb]

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Согласно новым законом против терроризма, принимаемым после взрывов, "лица, критикующие западные ценности", а также лица, "прославляющие Шахидов", будут приговариваться к длительным срокам тюремного заключения.



В этой связи необходимо указать, что "западные ценности" подвергаются на западе сокрушительной критике всех несистемных врагов масонских режимов западных стран: от национал-социалистов до радикальных коммунистов и христианских фундаменталистов.



Также в тюрьму будут отправляться лица, обвиняемые в "косвенном подстрекательстве", "подготовке" и "предоставлении и получении обучения", для любых лиц и организаций, которых режим самовольно объявит "террористическими".



Список того, что западные режимы будут считать "преступлениями", значительно расширится. И не только в одной Англии, сообщает ВВС.



Этот список воспринимается не как средство борьбы с так назыаемым "исламским терроризмом", а как возможность расправы с любыми политическими противниками правящего в Англии режима.



Между тем английская полиция опубликовала фото 4 мусульман, входящих на станцию метро 7 июля (на фото). По абсолютно голословному отверждению полицейских, у мусульман в рюкзаках якобы была взрывчатка. В то же время люди с рюкзаками скорее смотрятся, как отправляющиеся на пикник парни. Мусульмане приехали в Лондон из другого города. Рюкзаки - типичный багаж любого иногороднего из числа молодежи в любой стране.



Снимок сделан за 88 минут до взрывов. Чисто логически, столь продолжительное время уже само по себе опровергает полицейскую версию. Если взрывать, то надо делать это быстро, мало ли что может произойти