Dehydration: how about the other end?

[chicagoan]

....It is the summer time, and you see Americans carrying bottles almost everywhere they go. First time I saw them in Tashkent. That was very funny: Uzbek peasents that work in the summer heat all day have a kettle of cold tea under a tree somewhere (even better if that kettle sits in flowing water), but rarely, if at all, carry a cold drink everywhere they work - but these Americans that expose their fragile bodies to heat only briefly between office and car or metro and home HAVE TO HAVE at least half a gallon of water or better Gatorade handy (in case dehydration strucks unexpectedly).

It is OK to know about dehydration, but the fact that most people (including myself until recently) do not have even an idea about OVERHYDRATION (http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html), a process in which body gets more liquid than it can absorb or excrete, is an indicator of apparent conspiracy to sicken people using biased mass education.

I was very much surpised when I learnt that among the many health problems caused by overhydration is behavioral change due to the damage to the brain.

I have been noticing that the ENEMIES OF MANKIND, who prefer their subjects as sick and helpless as possible (simply it is easier to manipulate them), have been intensively ATTACKING main organs in human body(liver, lungs, heart, and brain) on a consistent basis - and brain is probably the key target...

related site: http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/overhydration.jsp

wishing health to everyone,

mr


QUOTE:

Since the brain is the organ most susceptible to overhydration, a change in behavior is usually the first symptom of water intoxication. The patient may become confused, drowsy, or inattentive. Shouting and delirium are common. Other symptoms of overhydration may include blurred vision, muscle cramps and twitching, paralysis on one side of the body, poor coordination, nausea and vomiting, rapid breathing, sudden weight gain, and weakness.

[PainKiller]

If u r a healthy person, U will not get overhydrated cuz of couple bottles of water, especially in uzbek hot weather. Plus, normally those who get overhydrated have kidney or problem related with methabolism.
So, people, do not be scared, drink as much wated as u can, It will only help u, and do not forget to pee pee in time. ;)

[chicagoan]

If u r a healthy person, U will not get overhydrated cuz of couple bottles of water, especially in uzbek hot weather. Plus, normally those who get overhydrated have kidney or problem related with methabolism.
So, people, do not be scared, drink as much wated as u can, It will only help u, and do not forget to pee pee in time. ;)


I am noticing a change of behavior in you, INKO!!!
What have you done - drank too much water again, naughty girlie!?

First, you should think before posting a reply, plus FORUM policy does not require anyone to reply to almost every new post.

Second, your shallow post indicates you did not even get introduced to the subject matter before hastily posting.

Third, FYI, body has a capacity for absorbing and excreting liquids. True that overhydration happens most often to those with health problems - namely kidneys. But read a little more, dear smart girl, and you will see that a person with normal health drinking more than 2 gallons of liquid a day for an extended period of time will develop OVERHYDRATION.

Fourth, I mentioned that Uzbek peasent because I grew up in a village and never seen or heard of a dehydrated peasent being hospitalized or treated on the field. On the other hand, I see a lot of Americans, in fact too many, with signs of overhydration.

I am an auto engineer (3 yrs at university), and from theory I know that cars have a capacity to burn fuel. After certain point (too much fuel injection)unburned portion of fuel may flood cylinders (engine stops), also the unburned fuel may explode in exhaust pipe, or just flow out the pipe. Likewise, there is a limit a human body can process. But, to my wonder, few, very few people have ever heard of OVERHYDRATION.

Therefore, my own opinion is OVERHYDRATION is more likely than DEHYDRATION. This is because if body needs liquid, it will require more liquid intake. On the contrary, body can't say no to more than required liquid - it keeps trying to process it - until eventually it fails. But, to my wonder, few, very few people have ever heard of OVERHYDRATION.

Americans do drink a lot of liquids. When IKEA first introduced its furnitures to the US market, many customers bought flower vases thinking that they were glasses for drinking pop:)...

I am just saying that opposite of dehydration is overhydration, and it is equally, if not more, dangerous to health.



now, pee pee, and go to bed.

health,
mr

:cool:

[Maroon]

chicagoan: You should have bolded the "KUFFAR" part. :rolleyes:

ON TOPIC: You drink, you pee. You drink more, you pee more so I guess the possibility of "overhydrating" is very low. I won't be suprised if someone one day writes an article on how bad it is to bathe, i guess another "overhydration". :D

[chicagoan]

chicagoan: You should have bolded the "KUFFAR" part. :rolleyes:

ON TOPIC: You drink, you pee. You drink more, you pee more so I guess the possibility of "overhydrating" is very low. I won't be suprised if someone one day writes an article on how bad it is to bathe, i guess another "overhydration". :D

Again, for casual post lovers, I explain:

Human body is not a pipe.

It is not "you drink-you pee process", rather it is "you drink-your body processes the intake-you pee" to put it simple your way. And that's where overhydration takes place.
You drink more, much more than your body needs, for an extended period of time (say, a month) - your body fails trying to process all - you get OVERHYDRATED....

health,

mr

[PainKiller]

Chicagoan, Mr. Self taught Doctor, who puts his experiments on his family members, Overhydration occurs when u have Some problem in ur bladder or other part of the urinary system. In fact, If u do not drink plenty of water, You r more likely to get urinmary tract infection. If you want to talk about the Overhydration-Talk about the overhydration. U drink-U pee. U drink more than u can pee-THEN U GET OVERHYDRATED. There must be a reason for ur body not to be able to get rid of it. And Ur Example of Americans-Is soo lame, MR-SELF-TAUGHT-DOCTOR. Americans in Uzb, do not drink the raw, taugh water the natrive people do. It is freaking hot out there, plus the water is not the best, that the reason why they carry their own water. Talk like a man, Brief, Accurate(this part is a logical advice)

[chicagoan]

Chicagoan, Mr. Self taught Doctor, who puts his experiments on his family members, Overhydration occurs when u have Some problem in ur bladder or other part of the urinary system. In fact, If u do not drink plenty of water, You r more likely to get urinmary tract infection. If you want to talk about the Overhydration-Talk about the overhydration. U drink-U pee. U drink more than u can pee-THEN U GET OVERHYDRATED. There must be a reason for ur body not to be able to get rid of it. And Ur Example of Americans-Is soo lame, MR-SELF-TAUGHT-DOCTOR. Americans in Uzb, do not drink the raw, taugh water the natrive people do. It is freaking hot out there, plus the water is not the best, that the reason why they carry their own water. Talk like a man, Brief, Accurate(this part is a logical advice)

I explain AGAIN for never-taught forum repliers:

read the two links I provided, and whatever medical encyclopaedia you can find, and you will see, after SOME time, healthy people consuming too much liquids also get OVERHYDRATED.

We are talking about DEHYDRATION and OVERHYDRATION, don't get to URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS and their causes yet. Please.

"There must be a reason for ur body not to be able to get rid of it."

You r right, and the reason is, of course, OVERCONSUMPTION of liquids.
Is it so hard to get this, really? Human body is a bio-chemical machine, and just like any other machine, it has certain capacity.

Please, let this be your last response to my posts. You are just trying to prove that you know something. Enough is enough.

Anyways, as for SELF-TAUGHT-DOCTOR part, I take it with pleasure, as a compliment...because most of the best doctors were self-taught. Take Aristotle or Avicenna, for instance. Which universities did they attend?

I only mentioned Americans to relate you the phobia they have against DEHYDRATION. And Uzbek peasent does not have water jug in his belt on the field - and still survives.

True, water quality in Uzb is not the best, but that is completely different story.


drink to your health, with a measure....

mr

[PainKiller]

Drinking too much water rarely causes overhydration when the body's systems are working normally. People with heart, kidney, or liver disease are more likely to develop overhydration because their kidneys are unable to excrete water normally. It may be necessary for people with these disorders to restrict the amount of water they drink and/or adjust the amount of salt in their diets.



Infants seem to be at greater risk for developing overhydration. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has declared that babies are especially susceptible to oral overhydration during the first month of life, when the kidneys' filtering mechanism is too immature to excrete fluid as rapidly as older infants do



Chronic illness, malnutrition (http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00055940.html), a tendency to retain water, and kidney diseases and disorders increase the likelihood of becoming overhydrated. Infants and the elderly seem to be at increased risk for overhydration, as are people with certain mental disorders or alcoholism (http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00036680.html).



Overhydration occurs when the body takes in more water than it excretes and its normal sodium level is diluted. This condition is most common in patients whose kidney function is impaired and may occur when doctors, nurses, or other healthcare professionals administer greater amounts of water-producing fluids and medications than the patient's body can excrete. Overhydration is the most common electrolyte imbalance in hospitals, occurring in about 2% of all patients.

[MegaZ]

Girls, take it easy on chicagoan will ya? :) He is trying to give us some useful information, for our own good and you are not being thankful :) Come on, argue with the author of the article, not chicagoan!

[PainKiller]

Girls, take it easy on chicagoan will ya? :) He is trying to give us some useful information, for our own good and you are not being thankful :) Come on, argue with the author of the article, not chicagoan!
EXACTELY. Well, Let's assume I am doing it for the sake of forumers as well. Do not want them to get dehydrated and get pee pee infections :cry: :cry:

[chicagoan]

Infants seem to be at greater risk for developing overhydration. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has declared that babies are especially susceptible to oral overhydration during the first month of life, when the kidneys' filtering mechanism is too immature to excrete fluid as rapidly as older infants do


after unsuccessfully trying to show off her inexistant knowledge, INKO decided to throw in some "copy and paste" stuff and went to pee pee.....LOL.

cheers,

mr

[PainKiller]

after unsuccessfully trying to show offf her inexistant knowledge, INKO decided to thrown in some "copy and paste" stuff and went to pee pee.....LOL.

cheers,

mrChicagoan, If u noticed, I QUOTED DOCTOR'S WORDS(not the self taught one, not the limo driver's one, but the REAL LICENSED DOCTOR ;) ).
Where is copy past?

[chicagoan]

Chicagoan, If u noticed, I QUOTED DOCTOR'S WORDS(not the self taught one, not the limo driver's one, but the REAL LICENSED DOCTOR ;) ).
Where is copy past?

...I also based my thoughts completely on current doctor expertise. By the way, Merck is a very well respected medical center in the USA. My first link takes you there. On top of that, I explained few things based on my comparisons and understanding. Why the SELF_TAUGHT and LIMO driver point again? Call me CHICAGOAN, please, and no compliments, please, anymore.....

And again, INKA, you are missing the point. The point is not who is MORE LIKELY to get OVERHYDRATED, but that the fact that OVERHYDRATION is confirmed medical condition and it has struck and will strike anyone, even at his/her best health.

cheers,

mr

[PainKiller]

...I also based my thoughts completely on current doctor expertise. By the way, Merck is a very well respected medical center in the USA. My first link takes you there. On top of that, I explained few things based on my comparisons and understanding. Why the SELF_TAUGHT and LIMO driver point again? Call me CHICAGOAN, please, and no compliments, please, anymore.....

And again, INKA, you are missing the point. The point is not who is MORE LIKELY to get OVERHYDRATED, but that the fact that OVERHYDRATION is confirmed medical condition and it has struck and will strike anyone, even at his/her best health.

cheers,

mr
Chic,
Ur first post tells a loot about ur point. Americans, water blah blah. Never mind, skip my posts. ;)

[chicagoan]

Chic,
Ur first post tells a loot about ur point. Americans, water blah blah. Never mind, skip my posts. ;)

I told you already ONCE not to reply to my posts anymore.

But since you did reply, and in your usual manner, I answer you.

The whole idea of starting my posts with Americans carrying water was to point at dehydration-phobia trumped up by American media, while the other extreme of the liquid consumption is ignored almost completely. One can find out about OVERHYDRATION from medical books, but news media disregards it.

Partly this is about money. CNN in Atlanta is located miles or less from COKE HQs. Imagine CNN tells American public that OVERHYDRATION has been causing so and so diseases. COKE won't like it. So they stay close together and bring up only financially correct news to all.....

and by the way, watch your attitude.

blah-blah....

mr

[Delf]

A person with two healthy kidneys can rid themselves of about 1.5 litres of water per hour at maximum filtration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Delf.

[moroti]

Chicagoan,
you seem to see conspiracy in anything done by or in America - my humble subjective perception:)
extremes are always bad - drinking too much or too little; but when you talk about those Americans drinking, its the process you describe, not the quality/quantity. Americans might little too often, whereas Uzbek will drink the whole amount once and then go to work - matter of logistics. At the end they might be consuming the same amount of the water.
As for the lack of awareness abt overhydration, its simply matter of how often it happens (called incidence/prevalence). Dehydration is a major cause of death, especially among children. Overhydration is not such an issue. Hence, the difference in awareness.
And as already mentioned, body regulates the intake of the fluids through so called "thirst" receptors, therefore overhydration rarely occurs if at all among healthy.
cheers,

....It is the summer time, and you see Americans carrying bottles almost everywhere they go. First time I saw them in Tashkent. That was very funny: Uzbek peasents that work in the summer heat all day have a kettle of cold tea under a tree somewhere (even better if that kettle sits in flowing water), but rarely, if at all, carry a cold drink everywhere they work - but these Americans that expose their fragile bodies to heat only briefly between office and car or metro and home HAVE TO HAVE at least half a gallon of water or better Gatorade handy (in case dehydration strucks unexpectedly).

It is OK to know about dehydration, but the fact that most people (including myself until recently) do not have even an idea about OVERHYDRATION (http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html), a process in which body gets more liquid than it can absorb or excrete, is an indicator of apparent conspiracy to sicken people using biased mass education.

I was very much surpised when I learnt that among the many health problems caused by overhydration is behavioral change due to the damage to the brain.

I have been noticing that the ENEMIES OF MANKIND, who prefer their subjects as sick and helpless as possible (simply it is easier to manipulate them), have been intensively ATTACKING main organs in human body(liver, lungs, heart, and brain) on a consistent basis - and brain is probably the key target...

related site: http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/overhydration.jsp

wishing health to everyone,

mr


QUOTE:

Since the brain is the organ most susceptible to overhydration, a change in behavior is usually the first symptom of water intoxication. The patient may become confused, drowsy, or inattentive. Shouting and delirium are common. Other symptoms of overhydration may include blurred vision, muscle cramps and twitching, paralysis on one side of the body, poor coordination, nausea and vomiting, rapid breathing, sudden weight gain, and weakness.

[furik]

This is so typical of the forum, you (meaning members) start with one thing and you always end up personally insulting each other.

However, this comment is pricelless
chicagoan: You should have bolded the "KUFFAR" part. :rolleyes:

As for harmful effect of the showering, Mrs.Reaper there is an article for you, it is in fact harmful...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15696230&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=taking-showers--can-damage-your-brain---name_page.html

ON TOPIC: You drink, you pee. You drink more, you pee more so I guess the possibility of "overhydrating" is very low. I won't be suprised if someone one day writes an article on how bad it is to bathe, i guess another "overhydration". :D

[chicagoan]

Chicagoan,
you seem to see conspiracy in anything done by or in America - my humble subjective perception:)

Do not generalize please. I did not cover even a fraction of topics yet in this forum.


extremes are always bad - drinking too much or too little; but when you talk about those Americans drinking, its the process you describe, not the quality/quantity. Americans might little too often, whereas Uzbek will drink the whole amount once and then go to work - matter of logistics. At the end they might be consuming the same amount of the water.
As for the lack of awareness abt overhydration, its simply matter of how often it happens (called incidence/prevalence). Dehydration is a major cause of death, especially among children. Overhydration is not such an issue. Hence, the difference in awareness.
And as already mentioned, body regulates the intake of the fluids through so called "thirst" receptors, therefore overhydration rarely occurs if at all among healthy.
cheers,

You are wrong. Overhydration occurs so often (read the links), but is treated as a separate symptom. Overhydration, beyond lack of publicity of this disease, is further caused by high content of sweeteners in soft-drinks - and FYI "thirts" receptors can't say NO to taste buds - and as a result people get into OVERHYDR....

Is this so hard to get?

cheers,

mr

[Delf]

Seems like everyone is talking out of their a&&.
Can you guys back up your arguments with statistics?
Smth like how many people in US die from dehydration and overhydration?
How is it compared to, say, China?


Delf.

[Arti]

This is soooooo funny and sad at the same time. A person had read an article and thought that it might be a matter of interest for someone here. But instead of thinking about it and taking into consideration (and of course thanking the author of the thread for useful information and links) people diminish the importance of info and assult the the author.

Everything (including our body) has it own limits and it doesn't matter whether it is water or food or anything else. So even if we think that we are thirsty we can easily drink much more than our body can proceed (moreover we get water not obnly through drinking liquids intself, we also get it through other water containig products) that results in weight gaining, edemas, kidney, bladder and metabolism problems, etc. which cannot be solved simply by pee pee :P.

Cheers,
Arti

[PainKiller]

that results in weight gaining, edemas, kidney, bladder and metabolism problems, etc. which cannot be solved simply by pee pee :P.

Cheers,
Arti
where is the connection between overdrinking and weight gaining? :rolleyes:

[Arti]

where is the connection between overdrinking and weight gaining? :rolleyes:

You might know that 3/4 of your body is water which is 75% of your weight. Once your kidneys fail to proceed the excessive water it won't leave your body until certain time and will result in edemas.

[Maroon]

This is so typical of the forum, you (meaning members) start with one thing and you always end up personally insulting each other.

However, this comment is pricelless


As for harmful effect of the showering, Mrs.Reaper there is an article for you, it is in fact harmful...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15696230&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=taking-showers--can-damage-your-brain---name_page.html

I personally did not insult anyone. Do not mix up sarcasm with insult. So, chill dude. ;)

How sweet of you for finding this article. :lol:

Ciao.

[PainKiller]

Weight Gain aka Obesity:
Obesity is a condition in which the natural energy reserve of humans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) or other mammals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal), which is stored in fat tissue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue), is expanded far beyond usual levels to the point where it impairs health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health). Obesity in wild animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_animal) is relatively rare, but it is common in domestic animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_animal) like pigs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig) and household pets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet) who may be overfed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overeating) and underexercised (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise). In humans it is considered a major challenge to health.

While cultural and scientific definitions of obesity are subject to change, it is accepted that excessive body weight predisposes to various forms of disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease), particularly cardiovascular disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiovascular_disease). Interventions, such as weight loss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_loss) and medication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medication), are frequently recommended to reduce this risk, and many people undertake weight loss regimens for health as well as aesthetic reasons.


When u reached the level when ur body is not able to get rid of the extra liquid, The last thing to care, I guess is the weight. There is some work to do for the urologist, do not u think? From this objective I think the statement about "weight gain" is more than incorrect.
There are times when People used "to gain weight" from severe hunger or sicknesses, if to follow ur logic, right? I think, We r talking about the kidney or bladder or other urinary tract problem here.