OViR: to be or not to be?

[Black]

You all know what is OViR.
What do you think: should the OViRs be eliminated? I think it is just a part of beuracracy left from Soviet Union. There is no need for such body, it is just waste of time and money. At least there is no need to issue exit visa for citizens of Uzbekistan. We should let our people to go abroad freely.

[CityHunter]

Not to be.

[Uzbekxonim]

I think that the existence of OVIR is justified by security reasons. the only thing to be changed is the effectiveness and the speed of working of this system, and any abuse within the system should be punished.

So my opinion is to be:)

[StU]

perejitok totalitarizma!!!
stidno priznavatsa chto on u nas eshe est...:oops:

[Sawaddeeka]

You all know what is OViR.
What do you think: should the OViRs be eliminated? I think it is just a part of beuracracy left from Soviet Union. There is no need for such body, it is just waste of time and money. At least there is no need to issue exit visa for citizens of Uzbekistan. We should let our people to go abroad freely.


Sorry,I don't know what is OVIR ?:rolleyes:

[StU]

Sorry,I don't know what is OVIR ?:rolleyes:

pasportno-vizoviy otdel po oformleniu zagranpasportov

[Sawaddeeka]

pasportno-vizoviy otdel po oformleniu zagranpasportov

Thank you but could you plz write in English Maam?

[StU]

Thank you but could you plz write in English Maam?

OVIR (otdel vizi i registracii) is the office for viza and registration of citizens.

[Mona Lisa]

I think that the existence of OVIR is justified by security reasons. the only thing to be changed is the effectiveness and the speed of working of this system, and any abuse within the system should be punished.

So my opinion is to be:)
I disagree with that!

Security for what?
Not many people travel abroad in Uzb anyway and if you do want to go there is bunch of paper work. I personally couldn't see anything usefull. We already have a passport which entitles citizens to go abroad. So why you need extra stamp on the back of passport again? Any logic?
In fact having this sort of 'security' measures don't solve any security issue.
Just like at the time Soviet era some people still afraid of going abroad/letting people go abroad. Too sad but true phenomenon

[JoJ]

not to be

i m tired of explaining here to everyone what OVIR is and ahy we need to get a viza to leave the country where you live. If i m not mistaken from former soviet countries only Uzbekistan and Belorussia have this kinda bullshit. And what kinda securite you can talk where you get this stamp for extra money???? any logic????

[Uzbekxonim]

so that not to let out 'bad' people, criminals for example;)

[Uzbekxonim]

extra money? as I know you don't pay for this prosedure, maybe only the fees you pay to people who fullfill the papers for you (typist,etc.)


not to be

i m tired of explaining here to everyone what OVIR is and ahy we need to get a viza to leave the country where you live. If i m not mistaken from former soviet countries only Uzbekistan and Belorussia have this kinda bullshit. And what kinda securite you can talk where you get this stamp for extra money???? any logic????

[JoJ]

so that not to let out 'bad' people, criminals for example;)
of course, give them US dollars, and after you can go out even if you are Osama bin Laden... funny, isnt it????

[Uzbekxonim]

let's not speak about corruption here please;) this phenomena (corruption) exists everywhere.

of course, give them US dollars, and can go out even if you are Osama bin Laden... funny, isnt it????

[Mona Lisa]

As if crimininals have never been let out :)

[JoJ]

let's not speak about corruption here please;) this phenomena (corruption) exists everywhere.

then how can you talk about security when people would choose money than security issues....this is out of my logic:(:(:(

[Uzbekxonim]

you know, maybe I'm idealist but I believe that there are some OVIR officers who are not corrupted. I received my visa without any money. thus, some people choose security


then how can you talk about security when people would choose money than security issues....this is out of my logic:(:(:(

[Maroon]

you know, maybe I'm idealist but I believe that there are some OVIR officers who are not corrupted. I received my visa without any money. thus, some people choose security

Because you were eligible. You pay money

1-) If you want to get it ASAP
2-) If you are not eligible

If one OVIR officer is not corrupt then his colleague is, and if they are both not corrupt, then his boss is. :D

[Uzbekxonim]

I completely agree with you, esp the last sentence:) I wish we had more this kind of officers;)


Because you were eligible. You pay money

1-) If you want to get it ASAP
2-) If you are not eligible

If one OVIR officer is not corrupt then his colleague is, and if they are both not corrupt, then his boss is. :D

[Royal]

so that not to let out 'bad' people, criminals for example;)
who cares!!
but should be other countries consulate problem.

if they think that they scintist may run away, so that is they business.
if common people would like to go outside why they must strugle between this paperwork war ???? it is not good at all. gives You extra depression.

[Sigma]

For your information; OVIR has recently set new time span, i.e 18 days to issue one with an exit visa from Uzbekistan. No less, no more. I wish it could some day become more effective and efficient.
About the existence of body of OVIR. In UK, in London they have a process that requires police registration for foreign citizens. You pay £36 and get a stamp saying that you have registered with them and your current address. Kinda same logic as OVIR, isn't it? (if it is security concerns). Besides, the service is fast, it only takes one day to register with them.

[Royal]

If they do major compterization in they system that time they could save lots of time , becouse:

for what 18 days ???
just get the stamp ???
checking the backgorund ???

[Black]

Sorry Uzbekhonim but what you say is unlogical.
1) What OViR has to do with the security issue? Do you think that other countries who has no OViRs (like European and American countries, and other countries) has problems with security and we have no problems in this issue?
2) Why criminals should not go abroad? Are not they human beings? I don't see any problem criminals going abroad.
3) And how keeping criminals inside Uzbekistan helps to the security of the country? The more criminals we keep inside Uzbekistan, the more secure we will be you want to say? Is the logic behind not allowing criminals (not even criminals just people who were tried in courts, we all know that most people who are tried in courts in Uzbekistan are not guilty of anything) to go abroad to keep more criminals in Uzbekistan?
4) The whole beuracratic OViR system can be replaced with automatic system with database for all citizens of Uzbekistan. For example when you pass the border you passport details will be entered into this system and when you come back it will be entered again. so all info about your whereabouts will be kept in this database. If someone needs (for example, police) to check info about you just log in to the system and get everything, no need to do tonns of paperwork. Or there could be any other automatic system which gives any info about any persons in some milliseconds. We live in the 21st century people, wake up! But our system still works in 19th century methods - papers, papers, papers....

The only thing which OVIR might be usefull is to supervise whereabouts of guys at the age of army- between 18 and 27 (as going to army still compulsory in our country). But this issue can be solved as well, just transerring this duty to the shoulders of the local branches of the Defence Ministry (Voenkomats). They can just put their stamp that this guy is allowed to go abroad or whatever else. I don't see any other issue where ovir can be usefull.

Uzbekistan is like a jail. It is easier to come into it, but no one wants to come here, it is difficult to get out of it, but everyone wants to get out of it.
Uzbekistan is very isolated from the world. If you go anywhere in the world, you can see Indians, chinies, africans and etc., etc., people living, working any part of the world. We can see Uzbeks only in three countries: Russia, Kazakhstan and, of course, in Uzbekistan. Government should give Uzbek people more independece, more freedom.

In short, OViR is useless, time-and-money wasting, beuracratic organisation.

P.S. Uzbekhonim I guess, as you are defending OViR, somebody from your relatives works in OViR, am I right?

[R.Azimov]

I wish I could change the system... :)

[Royal]

И последнее. Стало мне известно, что при выдачи выездной визы, сотрудник ОВиРа обязан поставить круглую печать на странице паспорта со штампом прописки. Но они зачастую эту печать туда не ставят. Человек, абсолютно не имевший об этом никакого понятия, уходит из ОВиРа довольный, что получил выездную визу Узбекистана. Не всякий буквально перед полетом будет доказывать, что отсутствие круглой печати в паспорте не его вина, а вина работника ОВиРа. И чтобы самолет не улетел без него, он предпочтет раскошелиться. У притворного государства все механизмы притворны.

link: http://centrasia.ru/news.php4?st=1128722280

[Alex]

Я бы повесил того кто придумал визы. А особенно эту выездную. Я даже слово это ненавижу "виза". :evil:

[Martingale]

Not to be!:)

[Uzbekxonim]

Sorry Uzbekhonim but what you say is unlogical.

you know, sometimes it's so difficult for men to understand female logic;)



1) What OViR has to do with the security issue? Do you think that other countries who has no OViRs (like European and American countries, and other countries) has problems with security and we have no problems in this issue?

I think you keep in your mind only one of the functions of OVIR, i.e. issuanse of exit visas for Uzbek citizens. But there are some other functions such as registration of the foreigners who's gonna stay in Uzbekistan for more than 3 days. There are migration offices in European and American countries as well (for example, U.S immigration and Customs Enforcement) and this offices also deal with the registration of incoming foreigners (as our OVIR does).

Concerning the security issues - all countries have this problem, and such offices as OVIR, migration offices may reduce the possibility of security threats.



2) Why criminals should not go abroad? Are not they human beings? I don't see any problem criminals going abroad.

why?:shock: if a criminal who commited a crime under Uzbek law goes out then it will be more difficult to catch him. besides criminals OVIR is also dealing with people who bare responsibility for failure contractual obligations or under the tort or subject to any other civil procedure or decision of the court.



3) And how keeping criminals inside Uzbekistan helps to the security of the country? The more criminals we keep inside Uzbekistan, the more secure we will be you want to say? Is the logic behind not allowing criminals (not even criminals just people who were tried in courts, we all know that most people who are tried in courts in Uzbekistan are not guilty of anything) to go abroad to keep more criminals in Uzbekistan?

I wanna say the more criminals we keep inside Uzbekistan the more we will punish. not keeping criminals in Uzb. and allowing them to go abroad is not a solution of a problem (in my view).

We can speak about guit and innocence in criminal cases in Uzbekistan on individual basis, we cannot generelise and we cannot say that the most of the convicted criminals in Uzb. are not guilty.




4) The whole beuracratic OViR system can be replaced with automatic system with database for all citizens of Uzbekistan. For example when you pass the border you passport details will be entered into this system and when you come back it will be entered again. so all info about your whereabouts will be kept in this database. If someone needs (for example, police) to check info about you just log in to the system and get everything, no need to do tonns of paperwork. Or there could be any other automatic system which gives any info about any persons in some milliseconds. We live in the 21st century people, wake up! But our system still works in 19th century methods - papers, papers, papers....

If according to your proposal a custom officer will find out that a person is not eligible to go outside the country while crossing the borders could emagine the reaction of this person? is it good to learn the last minute of your departure that you're cannot go out the country? I don't think so.

I agree that our sytem needs a computerised database that would make this job easier. But unfortunately not enoug finance and qualified people/officers for that.



The only thing which OVIR might be usefull is to supervise whereabouts of guys at the age of army- between 18 and 27 (as going to army still compulsory in our country). But this issue can be solved as well, just transerring this duty to the shoulders of the local branches of the Defence Ministry (Voenkomats). They can just put their stamp that this guy is allowed to go abroad or whatever else. I don't see any other issue where ovir can be usefull.

I think that in this case voenkomat is a better institution to deal with this issue.


Uzbekistan is like a jail. It is easier to come into it, but no one wants to come here, it is difficult to get out of it, but everyone wants to get out of it.
Uzbekistan is very isolated from the world. If you go anywhere in the world, you can see Indians, chinies, africans and etc., etc., people living, working any part of the world. We can see Uzbeks only in three countries: Russia, Kazakhstan and, of course, in Uzbekistan. Government should give Uzbek people more independece, more freedom.

In short, OViR is useless, time-and-money wasting, beuracratic organisation.

no comments.


P.S. Uzbekhonim I guess, as you are defending OViR, somebody from your relatives works in OViR, am I right?
[/quote]
unfotunately not, otherwise I would get exit visa in 1 week instead of 4 weeks.

regards.

[Tokugawa]

OVIR vizas - sama tupaya sistema :twisted:. Tormozit mnogoye. Mne 3 goda nazad stol'ko problem sdelali, vsyo radi $$$. Srazu skazali bi...

[Royal]

you know, sometimes it's so difficult for men to understand female logic;)

Soooo You say that OVIR Viza system based on womens logic ???

Ok Now we understand why is this department so screwed up....

[Uzbekxonim]

Royal, please read more attentively the post to which I reply.
regards.

Soooo You say that OVIR Viza system based on womens logic ???

Ok Now we understand why is this department so screwed up....

[Пушкарева]

Does anyone know how long will it take to get OVIR (most urgent case)? I need to know the exact number of days.

[Legend]

Most urgent? Depends how much u wanna spend :D or if you know anyone close to you working in there ;) . It may depend on which part or rayon of the city you are from . Normally it takes about two weeks , this one is free(you just pay the fees), and 2-3 days 50-100$ depends on where and who you are talking to ;)Does anyone know how long will it take to get OVIR (most urgent case)? I need to know the exact number of days.

[Пушкарева]

Yeah, of course I knew about the "transaction costs" associated with the urgency. Thank you for the time estimates, as the point is very important for me. Hope, it is indeed possible to solve the issue in 2-3 days.

[Martingale]

Eh, I just remembered what I had to go through to get my ovir viza on time(not urgent!!!)

The main problem was this mazafaka vaenkom. he was like "qaerga boryapsiz uka?"(kotta holenikiga) - US ga uqigani, "Nima butta uqish yoqmadimi, davlatga kim hizmat qiladi siz ketib qosez, urnizga hizmat qiladigan odam bormi et****cetera." So I had to run throug archives to prove some things bla blah. and in the end I was able to get his permission through connections. This mazafaka did take a bribe but only from trusted people.

[Пушкарева]

Eh, I just remembered what I had to go through to get my ovir viza on time(not urgent!!!)

The main problem was this mazafaka vaenkom. he was like "qaerga boryapsiz uka?"(kotta holenikiga) - US ga uqigani, "Nima butta uqish yoqmadimi, davlatga kim hizmat qiladi siz ketib qosez, urnizga hizmat qiladigan odam bormi et****cetera." So I had to run throug archives to prove some things bla blah. and in the end I was able to get his permission through connections. This mazafaka did take a bribe but only from trusted people.
I heard from ppl in Tashkent that now they raise barriers through exit visas for the youth going study abroad since they understand that they unlikely to be back. So, the advice was "if you go to OVIR, don't tell them that you are going to the US (or any better part of the world) to study. Just say, for instance, that you are going to Kyrgyzstan to see friends/relatives".

[elle]

Officialy they checking any criminal etc. record on you and it suppose to get through 5 "instanciy" including SNB and the main SNB official's approval:-) And each "instanciya" suppose to take 2-3 days to approve. But i agree with many here, if you really need it, you can get it in 3 days, so what's the point.


Anyway I vote NO to OVIR or at least smth more convinient.


If they do major compterization in they system that time they could save lots of time , becouse:

for what 18 days ???
just get the stamp ???
checking the backgorund ???

[infolife]

Gosh, I had the same problem. It took me 33 days, can u imagine. I used to wrok for a US NGO and I had to have an interview with SNB:shock: :o Then, I told my director about that, he phoned OVIR adn I got it.:)
O'shanda bilganman Uzbda eng apiris yaramaslar bu SNBchilar,juda yomon ko'raman:evil: ularni.
Eh, I just remembered what I had to go through to get my ovir viza on time(not urgent!!!)

The main problem was this mazafaka vaenkom. he was like "qaerga boryapsiz uka?"(kotta holenikiga) - US ga uqigani, "Nima butta uqish yoqmadimi, davlatga kim hizmat qiladi siz ketib qosez, urnizga hizmat qiladigan odam bormi et****cetera." So I had to run throug archives to prove some things bla blah. and in the end I was able to get his permission through connections. This mazafaka did take a bribe but only from trusted people.