Destiny

[Uzbekxonim]

Do you believe in Destiny?

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

Do you believe that we can change our destiny positively/negatively?

please share your ideas/opinions with us.

[ДЖИГИТ]

When someone asking or asked about destiny, it is very important to know that Allah (God) knows the future of everything and of every event. Knowing these things God created a Destiny for everyone and everything. However God does not force anyone to do something. Allah (God) gave everybody a FREE WILL, a choice. By this FREE WILL, people live and act the way they want to, they choose what to do and which way to tackle the issues that God sends to test him.


The true meaning of the word "Allah (God) has created a destiny for everyone" is that Allah does so by His KNOWLEDGE, not by his FORCE or POWER. His KNOWLEDGE has no limits, God has created the Universe and everything in it, giving destiny to everyone and everything before they came to life, by his KNOWLEDGE.

To better understand this, here is an example: a person was faithful throughout his life, but before his death he rejected the existance of Allah (God). In this case, Allah (God) knew that this person would reject existance of Allah (God), and therefore Allah (God) has written his name among Hell population. But this person's name being written among Hell population does not mean Allah (God) has forced him to be so. What this means is that Allah KNEW that this person would end up this way, therefore he was destined to fall into hell.

Another example, one can say: "I can cheat destiny and Allah (God) and tries to make a suicide but in the last moment decides not to do it. However he does not understand that no matter what trick he would use, ALLAH (God) is AWARE of it and all his intentions. If he doesnt jump, then, ALLAH (God) has written in his destiny that he will have a try for a suicide in an attempt to cheat the destiny, but will not commit it.

[Royal]

Do you believe in Destiny?

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

Do you believe that we can change our destiny positively/negatively?

please share your ideas/opinions with us.

in short sence:

1. Off course.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, by your own actions, becouse as they say: own destiny in You own hand, always could be better according Your actions.

But, "whatever is written should be done" words of Moses (s.a)

If You presume about Your destine like a glass with full of water and You would like to add additional any drop of water by force , becouse of Your destiny glass allready is full - up to the edge of the glass, You may added but other drop of water would be spilled from the glass - which part of You destiny been spilled only GOD knows !!! that could be : health, years from Your life, prosperity , fertility, happiness , family and etc etc etc...

About that they say, some thing like that: "Watch for what wish for"

That way I think..

God knows better...

[noodles]

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

I used to... but later I decided not to give a damn about such stuff...

[Uzbekxonim]

50 forumers viewed this thread and only 3 of them have something to say on this topic? amazing...

[Legend]

I do believe .

[infolife]

1. I do
2. Yes,but I don't blame that someone for things happened in my life, feel the responsibilty for each action I do.

3. Of course,destiny is always yours,u can change it,but the way you change it will always be to Allah's will

Do you believe in Destiny?

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

Do you believe that we can change our destiny positively/negatively?

please share your ideas/opinions with us.

[noodles]

50 forumers viewed this thread and only 3 of them have something to say on this topic? amazing...

pora uje privikat k etomu ;)

[stanford]

Yes , I do believe and ...val kadari hoyrihi va sharrihi minallohi taala
God gave us an opportunity to change our lives for a better. Doing good will change our destiny for a better, following shayatin will do the opposite.

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

Explain.

[PainKiller]

NO!!!

NO!!!

Sure!!!Do you know that Believing in Taqdir is a Part of Imaan?

[PainKiller]

No, I don't! But anyway I do not believe in taqdir!!! /hayotimiz o'zimizni qo'limizda!!!/So u think that Koran is wrong?

[PainKiller]

this thread is not about "what am I thinking about Koran"!Right, It is about destiny. And the answer whether person believes in Destiny or not, depends on the religion of that person too. Because, Islam says that Destiny is one of the Pillars of Imaan.
The five Kalimas (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Kalimahs)
Imaan - Imaan Mujmal and Imaan Mufassal (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Imaan)
Allah (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Allah)
Angels (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Angels)
Books of Allah (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Books%20of%20Allah)
Messengers of Allah (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Messengers%20of%20Allah)
The Sahaabah (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#The%20Sahaabah) http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/rah27X23.gif (companions) of Rasulullah (http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/iSeerah.html) http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/saw23X22.gif
Fate (Taqdeer) (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#Fate)
The Last Day (Qiyamat) (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#The%20Last%20Dat%20%28Qiyamat%29)
The Life after Death (http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Part1a.html#The%20Life%20after%20Death)
that's all I meant. I do believe in Destiny. It helps in my opinion to think that way.:)

[Queen]

I think I do believe in destiny. when I can't make changes in certain parts of my life, I say it's just destiny. But, at the same time, I belive that as u try more, u do make changes. I also belive that only person himself changes his life more positively or negatively. If we call it freedom given for us, humans to choose how to live, then isn't it contradicting the destiny?
i finihsed reading this book "Alchemist" , it's partially about following your destiny. How do u follow it? How do u know what is your destiny? I probably have to reread this book, but those who really got the meaning of it, what does he mean when he says to follow destiny?
Uzbekhonum, sorry if it's slightly offtopic (discussion of a book)

[Uzbekxonim]

I think I do believe in destiny. when I can't make changes in certain parts of my life, I say it's just destiny. But, at the same time, I belive that as u try more, u do make changes. I also belive that only person himself changes his life more positively or negatively. If we call it freedom given for us, humans to choose how to live, then isn't it contradicting the destiny?
i finihsed reading this book "Alchemist" , it's partially about following your destiny. How do u follow it? How do u know what is your destiny? I probably have to reread this book, but those who really got the meaning of it, what does he mean when he says to follow destiny?
Uzbekhonum, sorry if it's slightly offtopic (discussion of a book)

no, it's ok. I love this book. I found lots of wise expressions in this book. I think one the most important messeage of this book is that - if you wish something very much - the Universe will help, just believe it.

your're right -it's so difficult to understand - if our destiny is already written how we can change it b good/bad deeds?

[asena]

Destiny is solid,but your road to your destiny is at your choice(accordng to me)

[sLeZiNkA]

Horoshiy vapros dlya ludey razmishlyayushih! Da ya veryu v sudbu!!!Potamushto islam zanimayet pervoye mesto v moyey jizni!Yesli u tebya yest lubov k Islamu vera v sudbu pridet sama s saboy!!!

[ДЖИГИТ]

no, it's ok. I love this book. I found lots of wise expressions in this book. I think one the most important messeage of this book is that - if you wish something very much - the Universe will help, just believe it.

your're right -it's so difficult to understand - if our destiny is already written how we can change it b good/bad deeds?

Boje kakuyu knigu vi chitaete, "Alhimik" ne stoit daje vremeni potrachennoe ne neyo, da esho utverjdaete chto universe will help???

You are ridiculous people with ridicolous thoughts!

Destiniy is not difficult to understand, it is your mentality that is difficult to understand.

Opredelimsya chto takoe sud'ba. Na osnove zdravogo smisla i uma dannogo nam Vsevishnim, mi mojem nazvat' sud'bu sovokupnost'yu vsego togo, chto proishodit v jizni cheloveka nachinaya ot rojdeniya i zakanchivaya beskonechnostyu. Pri etom na osnove ayata iz Korana (ne pomnyu kakoy ayat iz kakoy suri) kotoriy glasit: "Mi ostavim vas na vremya svobodnimi, dabi ispitat' vas", mi smelo mojem utverjdat', chto u cheloveka est' vibor, svoboda Voli. Ishodya iz vsego etogo, delaem vivod, chto u sud'bi est' predreshonnie storoni i est' ne predreshonnie storoni. Predreshonnie storoni eto to, kogda mi rodimsya i kogda vernyomsya k Bogu, sobitiya ili yavleniya, k kotorim Bog svodit cheloveka t.e. vsyo to, chto vne nashego kontrolya, t.k. eto volya Allaha, on Tvorets! Esho v etu gruppu vhodit vneshnost' cheloveka, to kak mi budem viglyadet' v jizni, kakim telom budem obladat', znachit eto predreshonnaya storona. Nepredreshonnaya storona, no predvidennaya Bogom, eto vsyo, chto ishodit ot voli cheloveka, t.e. prinyatie resheniy v situatsiyah, vibor togo ili inogo obraza jizni, nashi emotsii i postuki. Odnako Bog svoim vseznaniem predvidel nepredreshonnuyu storonu sud'bi cheloveka. Etot fakt i podtverjdaettu moral' Islama, kogda pri rojdenii cheloveka, angel sprashivaet u Boga budet li on/ona iz pravednih ili net. Vsyo predreshonnoe schitaetsya svyatim i posyagatel'stvo na svyatoe nakazuemo. No i volya dayotsya Bogom ne naprasno. Za vsyakoe deyanie i postupok, Allah vozdayot to, chto zaslujil.

Allah mislostev i moloserden!

[Uzbekxonim]

Opredelimsya chto takoe sud'ba. Na osnove zdravogo smisla i uma dannogo nam Vsevishnim, mi mojem nazvat' sud'bu sovokupnost'yu vsego togo, chto proishodit v jizni cheloveka nachinaya ot rojdeniya i zakanchivaya beskonechnostyu. Pri etom na osnove ayata iz Korana (ne pomnyu kakoy ayat iz kakoy suri) kotoriy glasit: "Mi ostavim vas na vremya svobodnimi, dabi ispitat' vas", mi smelo mojem utverjdat', chto u cheloveka est' vibor, svoboda Voli. Ishodya iz vsego etogo, delaem vivod, chto u sud'bi est' predreshonnie storoni i est' ne predreshonnie storoni. Predreshonnie storoni eto to, kogda mi rodimsya i kogda vernyomsya k Bogu, sobitiya ili yavleniya, k kotorim Bog svodit cheloveka t.e. vsyo to, chto vne nashego kontrolya, t.k. eto volya Allaha, on Tvorets! Esho v etu gruppu vhodit vneshnost' cheloveka, to kak mi budem viglyadet' v jizni, kakim telom budem obladat', znachit eto predreshonnaya storona. Nepredreshonnaya storona, no predvidennaya Bogom, eto vsyo, chto ishodit ot voli cheloveka, t.e. prinyatie resheniy v situatsiyah, vibor togo ili inogo obraza jizni, nashi emotsii i postuki. Odnako Bog svoim vseznaniem predvidel nepredreshonnuyu storonu sud'bi cheloveka. Etot fakt i podtverjdaettu moral' Islama, kogda pri rojdenii cheloveka, angel sprashivaet u Boga budet li on/ona iz pravednih ili net. Vsyo predreshonnoe schitaetsya svyatim i posyagatel'stvo na svyatoe nakazuemo. No i volya dayotsya Bogom ne naprasno. Za vsyakoe deyanie i postupok, Allah nagrajdaet tem, chto zaslujil.

Allah mislostev i moloserden!
ochen interesnie misli...ya dumayu chto ya s vami soglshus po povodu klassifikatsii predreshennaya i nepredreshennaya storona jizni. ochen interesniy approach.

[Arti]

Dlya menya sud'ba i vibor (free choice) zakluchayutsa v tom, chto u cheloveka vsegda est vibor: poytin napravo, nalevo ili pryamo. Prie etom vibor zavisit tolko ot nego. Predresheno je to, kakiye posledstviya ojidayut cheloveka pri vibore togo ili inogo ishoda. To est zaranee izvestno, chto budet, esli on poydet napravo, esli poydet nalevo ili viberet pryamoy put'. Cheloveku je dana volya vibrat put samomu.

Takim obrazom, ya veryu v sud'bu, a takje veryu i v svobodu vibora, ot kotorogo zavisit tvoya jizn i, vozmojno, jizn okrujayushih tebya lyudey.

Best,
Arti

[infolife]

siz har doim nime hohlasez erishganmisiz???
Sometimes,things that you don't want to happen in your life happen indeed. Shunaqa paytda 'Allohni irodasi' deyiladi. bir narsaga rosa tirishib beliz bukchaydiyu erisha olmadiz-a, o'zimi qo'limda edi shuni eplomadimda desez:shock: o'zizi tugatib qo'yasu bunaqada.Sizdan harakat Allohdan barakat,ammo har doim ham so'ragan narsezi bermiydi,shuni taqdir deydi.

Hamma narsa sizi qo'lizdamas, agar hayotda hamma narsa meni qo'limda bo'lganda edi:rolleyes:
No, I don't! But anyway I do not believe in taqdir!!! /hayotimiz o'zimizni qo'limizda!!!/

[Shokirbek]

No, I don't! But anyway I do not believe in taqdir!!! /hayotimiz o'zimizni qo'limizda!!!/

"Hayotimiz o'zimizning qo'limizda" degan jumlani har xil tushunishimz mumkin. Agar bunday demoqdan maqsad: hayotimizda biz erkinmiz, xohlagan ishimizni qilamiz, xohlagan e'tiqodda yashaymiz, o'zimiz xohlagan yo'lda yuramiz, demoq bo'lsa, to'g'ri, hayotimiz o'z qo'limizda, xohlasak iymonli bo'lib yaxshi ishlar, iymon ila hayot kechiramiz, xohlasak yomon yo'lda yurib beiymon hayotdan o'tamiz, bu ikki yo'ldan birini tanlash bizning to'la ixtiyorimizda.
Lekin "Hayotimiz o'z qo'limizda" degandan maqsad: Olloh taolo qiyomatgacha bo'ladigan ishlarni taqdiri azalda yozib qo'ymagan, buni o'zimiz yaratamiz deyilgan gap bo'lsa, bundan bevosita: Olloh qiyomatgacha bo'ladigan ishlarni bilmaydi, uni taqdir ham qilmagan degan ma'no chiqadi, bu esa butun borliqning Yaratguvchisi, bilimdoni bo'lgan Yagona Parvardigorga qilingan ochiq haqorat. Nahotki, shunday olamni yo'qdan bor qilib, Insondek buyuk, aqlli zotni yaratgan Olloh taolo kishilarning taqdirini bilmasa? Bordiyu, bilgan lekin, taqdir qilmagan, yozib qo'ymagan, deydiganlar chiqsa,unda kim yozgan, har bir inson o'z taqdirini bilmay turib, qanday yozadi? har kuni taomlar yeb, keyin tahorat (uzr) ushatib, bo'shanib oladigan arzimas jonzotning qo'lidan kelarmidi bu narsa?

[infolife]

G'irt yolg'on,hech kim hohlagan narsasiga hamma vaqt erishgan emas.
Siz ming titishsez ham bo'miydigan ishlar bor
ayteylik siz bir odammi sevib qoldiz, u boshqasini sevadi o'larcha
siz o'sha boshqasidan vapshe chiroylisizu sizga qiyo ham boqmiydi, Shu Allohni irodasida, siz qandey qilib unga erishas???:rolleyes:

hayotiz qaysi tomonga o'zgarishi bu sizni qo'lizda, erishaman degan narsaizga harakat qisaiz albatta erishasiz! Man albatta bu Ollohdan emas deganim yo'q! /"accidental" degan narsaga ishonmiman/

[NYyankNY]

I think it's fun to get your palm read and all that...but when it comes down to believing it...i won't say that i don't believe it...but i don't let my life be influenced by anything i've heard.
I think that's the trick...once you hear something about your future....you subconsciously try to achieve it....and that could be either a good thing or a bad thing.

As far as destiny and fate go...i believe in karma, what goes around comes around...and i also believe that GOD gives us many choices and it's up to us which path we choose to take....and since GOD is all knowing...he knows what we are going to do, even before we do it.
i have a picture of a guy sitting infront of billions of monitors and watching everyones life...and i think he's having the most fun watching my life...and how silly i am :D

i don't know much...but this is the way i see it...how do we know for sure...are we even real....or are we part of someone's dream?
Deep thoughts.... ;)
Do you believe in Destiny?

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

Do you believe that we can change our destiny positively/negatively?

please share your ideas/opinions with us.

[Uzbekistan2010]

pehonanga yozganidan ayrilma yor :)

[infolife]

Bunaqa narsa hech qachon bumiydi deyishizamchi, o'zi katta gunoh. Siz bilmis nima buladi,nima bumeydi,opam/sinim.Alloh bilguvchi
Hayotim o'z qo'limda degani,hayotda istagan narsamga har doim erishaman degan b/n bab-baravar :rolleyes:
harakat qilas,qiluras doim qilas,shu 40 yillab harakat qilib hech narsaga erishmagan odamlar ham buladi bilasmi???Shuni taqdir deydi
Bilmasez hayotda uncha tajribez yuk ekan,uzr oma

Birinchilab tovba qildim bunaqa bo'magan/bo'midiyam/! Boshqani sevgan odamni sevib qolib balo bomi? Qiz bola uyo buyog'iga qarab ish tutishi kere! Hayotda hamma narsaga hamisha erishaman deganim yo'q shekilli, faqat o'zimni hayotim o'zimni qo'Limda dedim!
Harakatdan qochmasaiz bo'ldi...

[infolife]

bazida atomlar ham kiromagan o'qishga
bazida esa maktabga bormaganla olim bo'gan,e.g Lomonovskiy
hamma buyuk olimla kambag'al bo'gan,maktabga boromagan ko'pchiligi
Taqdir degani shu Allohni irodasi deganida, siz urinib-chiranganiz b/n Allohni aytgani buladi,shunga ishonmiyman dediz,misollar bersam gappi aylantiras
worth argueing with smart people:rolleyes:

yo'q siz unda mani noto'g'ri tshunibsiz! Nima qilmang hayotda bazi narsalar faqat sizga bog'liq! Masalan o'qishga qandalik kirishni hohlab Hudoga sig'inib so'ramang o'qimasaiz foydasi yo'q!!!

[Shokirbek]

Info keling, shu yerda to'htataylik bu haqta suhbatimizni! Manam sizi fikringizni va sizam mani fikrimni o'zgartirolmis, va unaqa niyatimam yo'q, faqat o'zimnikini aytdim qo'ydim!
Omads! :D

Lekin taqdirga ishonmayman (ya'ni Olloh taolo qiyomatgancha yozib, na shunday bo'ladi deb qo'ygan taqdirga ishonmayman) desangiz (ilgarigi postlaringizning birida aytganingizdek), bu juda xatarli e'tiqod, odamni dindan chiqaradi. Lekin, " Men Olloh taoloning qiyomatga dovur bo'ladigan barcha amallarimizni yozib qo'yishiga iymon keltiraman, biroq bu degani mening boshimga barcha narsa yozilib qo'yilgan ekan, shuning uchun mening qilgan amalimdan foyda yo'q ekanda", demasdan, balki, "Olloh taolo bandalariga qilgan taqdirni hech kim bila va ko'ra olmaydi, bu narsa bizga xabar bergan bilinmas, va ko'rinmas g'ayb ilmlaridan, shuning uchun taqdirga bo'lgan iymonim meni hayotimda o'zim xohlagan narsalardan to'smaydi, menda hayot yo'limni (Islom ko'rsatmasi asosida) bilganimcha tuzishga komil ixtiyor bor, faqat banda o'z kelajagida sodir bo'ladigan yomon yaxshilikdan voqif bo'lmagani uchun Ollohdan doim o'z To'g'ri yo'lida sobitqadam qilishini so'rayman, To'gri - Islom yo'lidan barcha ishlarimda chetga chiqarmasligini so'rayman" deyish mo'min odamning qazoyu qadar bobidagi burchidir.

P.S. Shoshib yozdim, ba'zi noaniqliklar bo'lsa keyinroq tog'rilayman.

[infolife]

hech ham noaniqliklar yukda!Juda ham tushunarli qib yozibsiz.
100%agree.Maladest,Shokirbek:D

Lekin taqdirga ishonmayman (ya'ni Olloh taolo qiyomatgancha yozib, na shunday bo'ladi deb qo'ygan taqdirga ishonmayman) desangiz (ilgarigi postlaringizning birida aytganingizdek), bu juda xatarli e'tiqod, odamni dindan chiqaradi. Lekin, " Men Olloh taoloning qiyomatga dovur bo'ladigan barcha amallarimizni yozib qo'yishiga iymon keltiraman, biroq bu degani mening boshimga barcha narsa yozilib qo'yilgan ekan, shuning uchun mening qilgan amalimdan foyda yo'q ekanda", demasdan, balki, "Olloh taolo bandalariga qilgan taqdirni hech kim bila va ko'ra olmaydi, bu narsa bizga xabar bergan bilinmas, va ko'rinmas g'ayb ilmlaridan, shuning uchun taqdirga bo'lgan iymonim meni hayotimda o'zim xohlagan narsalardan to'smaydi, menda hayot yo'limni (Islom ko'rsatmasi asosida) bilganimcha tuzishga komil ixtiyor bor, faqat banda o'z kelajagida sodir bo'ladigan yomon yaxshilikdan voqif bo'lmagani uchun Ollohdan doim o'z To'g'ri yo'lida sobitqadam qilishini so'rayman, To'gri - Islom yo'lidan barcha ishlarimda chetga chiqarmasligini so'rayman" deyish mo'min odamning qazoyu qadar bobidagi burchidir.

P.S. Shoshib yozdim, ba'zi noaniqliklar bo'lsa keyinroq tog'rilayman.

[Martingale]

I don't believe in predestination too. You create your own destiny, but sometimes others have also some impact on it:) .

[Sayyoh]

The Dooms Day is approaching us at full speed?

A flu pandemic is the most dangerous threat today. It's a bigger threat than terrorism. One makes a threat assessment on the basis of two factors: the probability of the event, and the loss of life if it happened. On both counts, a pandemic ranks higher than a major terror attack, even one involving weapons of mass destruction. A crude nuclear device would probably kill hundreds of thousands. A flu pandemic could easily kill millions. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9787690/site/newsweek/)

[Sayyoh]

Nima qilmang hayotda bazi narsalar faqat sizga bog'liq! Masalan o'qishga qandalik kirishni hohlab Hudoga sig'inib so'ramang o'qimasaiz foydasi yo'q!!! Sizzi tutvolib rosa boplab do'pposlaydigan qiz ekansizu! :D

Lady, aytaylik Siz umuman va hech ham xohlamagan holda yerdan 100 dollarlik banknote topib oldingiz... Siz buni Xudoga sig'inib so'ramagansiz... Ya'ni, bu "odam sledopyt bo'lmasa biron narsa topib ola olmaydi, foydasi yo'q!!!" degani emasku, a?

Yoki aytaylik yozuvchi/shoir bo'lish uchun odam ataylab "nasr yozuvchilari kulloyoti"da o'qimaydiku?!. (agar shunaqasi umuman tabiatda mavjud bo'lsa)

Contemplate :)

It's aaaaaall destiny :)

peace

[Camellia]

I do believe in destiny, it's like a life-guiding light. Even though we would choose different roads, but they lead to a same destination, the difference is how we get there. that's why i believe in destiny.

Do you believe in Destiny?

Do you believe that somebody above has already written the events of your life?

Do you believe that we can change our destiny positively/negatively?

please share your ideas/opinions with us.

[Sayyoh]

Lady,

vot-vot! :) talant bo'lsa bo'ldi, ya'ni spesyalno o'qish shartmasda, demoqchi edim :D

[infolife]

Zo'r ish bo'ptimi, ex-b/f nima qildi??? Qolo'rdimi tilini tishlab:lol:

i would like to share with you the reasons of opening this thread.

I never believed in Destiny before, I thought everything that happens in my life depends on me, even finding a person to whom I would marry. then a very interesting thing happened to me - I have met my future husband, we communicated but we haven't been dating during 1 year since we met, he had a girlfriend and I had a boyfriend (to whom I was going to marry:? actually).

then one day we realised that we have some unbelievable conection with each other, we could not understand what was that,we were attracted to each other very much. and somehow we began dating.

while dating lots of amazing things appeared - we realised that we have met each other before, three times in our life - when I was 13, 17, and 21, I have learned that the first man I danced with and with whom I fell in love for the fisrt time, when I was 13, was him.:shock: we studied in the same school, the same university, then we worked at the same place.

can you believe it? destiny, or someone above tried to make us to be together several times. and in the end we have married. since then I belive in destiny.

[infolife]

:shock: kim-kim b/n,Uzbekhonimmi ex b/fi b/n narigi bolani ex g/fimi??
Shuyam endi taqdirda a?:lol: :lol: :lol:

yo' ularam bir birlari bn topishib kettila :D

[Uzbekxonim]

Zo'r ish bo'ptimi, ex-b/f nima qildi??? Qolo'rdimi tilini tishlab:lol:

ha, o'ziyam bri-ekkita no'tog'ri ish qilib qoyudi-da.....haliyam toshini terib yuribti:lol:

[Gareeb]

Men taqdirga qanday ishonish kerak bo'lsa shunday ishonaman.Taqdirga ishonmayman deganlar apandini eshshagidan ham battar ahmoq odamlar deb bilaman.Agar taqdir ularning qo'lida bo'lsa nima uchun ular aynan uzbek yoki qozoq yoki boshqa millat wakili bo'lib tugilishadi.Agar taqirga tan bermaydigan bo'lsak Tsunamida halok bo'lgan shuncha odamni o'z o'limiga o'zlarini aybdor qilamizmi?Yoki nogiron tugilgan bola ham shunday bo'lishiga o'zi sababchimi?

[Bonik]

ha, o'ziyam bri-ekkita no'tog'ri ish qilib qoyudi-da.....haliyam toshini terib yuribti:lol:

Har kim o'z aravasini o'zi tortadi... o'z toshini o'zi teradi...
Yakhshi emas birovlarning orqasidan bunday kulish... ay yay yay! :rolleyes:

[Uzbekxonim]

Har kim o'z aravasini o'zi tortadi... o'z toshini o'zi teradi...
Yakhshi emas birovlarning orqasidan bunday kulish... ay yay yay! :rolleyes:

man kulmayapman, bor gapni aytdim qoydim.

[rudnic]

Why not to believe in Fate.
I believe because it gives me relaxation when I am in difficult situation.

[rudnic]

Uzbekhonum, rasimlarizdi almashtirip yana shu gozal rasimga kelipsizda.
I like your avatar.

[Bonik]

man kulmayapman, bor gapni aytdim qoydim.

Hafa bo'lmangku lekin juda ko'p oilalar mana shu oddiygina "aytim qo'ydimda" orasidan buzilib ketadi :)

O'zim ham juda ko'p shu hatoni qilamanku :twisted: lekin oddiygina o'ylamasdan ishlatilgan "aytim qo'ydim" :) keyinchalik qimmatga tushushi mumkin :)

[Uzbekxonim]

Hafa bo'lmangku lekin juda ko'p oilalar mana shu oddiygina "aytim qo'ydimda" orasidan buzilib ketadi :)

O'zim ham juda ko'p shu hatoni qilamanku :twisted: lekin oddiygina o'ylamasdan ishlatilgan "aytim qo'ydim" :) keyinchalik qimmatga tushushi mumkin :)

gapingiz juda to'gri.

[Martingale]

Men taqdirga qanday ishonish kerak bo'lsa shunday ishonaman.Taqdirga ishonmayman deganlar apandini eshshagidan ham battar ahmoq odamlar deb bilaman.Agar taqdir ularning qo'lida bo'lsa nima uchun ular aynan uzbek yoki qozoq yoki boshqa millat wakili bo'lib tugilishadi.Agar taqirga tan bermaydigan bo'lsak Tsunamida halok bo'lgan shuncha odamni o'z o'limiga o'zlarini aybdor qilamizmi?Yoki nogiron tugilgan bola ham shunday bo'lishiga o'zi sababchimi?

Janob Gareeb,

Nahotki sizni kallangizga oddiy bir savol kemaydi shu narsalarni misol sifatida keltiryotganda. Har narsani uzini sababi bor. Tsunami bu taqdir desez juda yanglishasiz. Uzi taqdir degan va omad degan narsa YUQ. Faqat bazida bazi narsalar bizni qarashimizcha mos kelib qoladi. Asilda bu narsa sodir bulishiga uzini sabablari borligini biz payqmasligimiz mumkin.
Mayli biz apandini eshagidan ham battar bulaylik, lekin kuramiz siz bunaqa dunyoqarash bilan nimaga erishasiz. Actually such a lame post...and despicable one.

[Gareeb]

Janob Gareeb,

Nahotki sizni kallangizga oddiy bir savol kemaydi shu narsalarni misol sifatida keltiryotganda. Har narsani uzini sababi bor. Tsunami bu taqdir desez juda yanglishasiz. Uzi taqdir degan va omad degan narsa YUQ. Faqat bazida bazi narsalar bizni qarashimizcha mos kelib qoladi. Asilda bu narsa sodir bulishiga uzini sabablari borligini biz payqmasligimiz mumkin.
Mayli biz apandini eshagidan ham battar bulaylik, lekin kuramiz siz bunaqa dunyoqarash bilan nimaga erishasiz. Actually such a lame post...and despicable one.
Jaaa aqliz Aflotun wa Suqrotnikidan oshib ketgan bo'lsa ham bunaqa shakkoklikdan saqlaning do'st.
Taqdirning yaxshiy-yomonligi Allohdan ekaniga ishonish iymon asoslaridan biri ekanini bilmaysizmi?
Alloh Ta'olo Qur'oni Karimda iymon keltirmaganlarni haywonlarga o'xshatib "ular haywondan ham adashganroqdir" deb sifatlaydi.Shuning uchun men ham qo'rqmasdan undaylarni eshshakka qiyoslagandim.Nachora ...

[Gareeb]

100% QO'SHILAMAN!!!

Gareeb rahmat, biz eshak! :) biza o'z fikrimizi aytdik, siz o'ziznikini va shu erda to'htataylik bu haqta gapirishni! hamma narsaga diynni qo'shisham yahshimas, Allohni nomini behudaga og'zinga oma degan ekanla...

Omon bo'Ling! :D
Yoo tawba Taqdir din masalasi bo'lmay nima unda?
Sizni hech kim eshshak demadi shekilli, aksincha o'ziz o'sha haqoratni bo'ynizga olyapsiz? Nima biz sizni majbur qilaylikmi endi " qo'y sen eshshak emassan" deb:rolleyes:

[Martingale]

Gareeb,
nachora deb huddi manga tuzalib bulmaydigan diagnoz quygandek bulyapsiz(nima qildim sizga?:D ), lekin bilingki mani gaplarimni notugri ekanligini amalda isbotlab bera olmaysiz. Mani gapim shakkoklik emas. Aytingchi Qur'onda har kimni taqdiri oldindan belgilangan, nima qilsang ham shu narsaga erishasan deb yozilgan joyi bormi? Tugri taqdir deganda siz kengroq narsani tushunyotgan bulishiz mumkin va u holatda man fikrizga qushilaman. Lekin hayotdagi oddiy voqealarni taqdir deb qarash notugri buladi manmicha.

Jaaa aqliz Aflotun wa Suqrotnikidan oshib ketgan bo'lsa ham bunaqa shakkoklikdan saqlaning do'st.
Taqdirning yaxshiy-yomonligi Allohdan ekaniga ishonish iymon asoslaridan biri ekanini bilmaysizmi?
Alloh Ta'olo Qur'oni Karimda iymon keltirmaganlarni haywonlarga o'xshatib "ular haywondan ham adashganroqdir" deb sifatlaydi.Shuning uchun men ham qo'rqmasdan undaylarni eshshakka qiyoslagandim.Nachora ...

[infolife]

shu yerda yomon gap aytibsiz lekin.Juda taqdir borda,hammani taqdiri bor va u faqar Allohga ayon.Omad ham bor,Alloh tomonidan yuboriladi,bazila oz muddatda ko'p muvaffaqiytga erishadi omadi kelib,bazila umr bo'yi biri-ikki bo'miydi egilib-bukilib ishlasa ham,eh-eh-eh...........
Baliq boshidan sasir ekan:rolleyes:
Janob Gareeb,

Nahotki sizni kallangizga oddiy bir savol kemaydi shu narsalarni misol sifatida keltiryotganda. Har narsani uzini sababi bor. Tsunami bu taqdir desez juda yanglishasiz. Uzi taqdir degan va omad degan narsa YUQ. Faqat bazida bazi narsalar bizni qarashimizcha mos kelib qoladi. Asilda bu narsa sodir bulishiga uzini sabablari borligini biz payqmasligimiz mumkin.
Mayli biz apandini eshagidan ham battar bulaylik, lekin kuramiz siz bunaqa dunyoqarash bilan nimaga erishasiz. Actually such a lame post...and despicable one.

[Gareeb]

Gareeb,
nachora deb huddi manga tuzalib bulmaydigan diagnoz quygandek bulyapsiz(nima qildim sizga?:D ), lekin bilingki mani gaplarimni notugri ekanligini amalda isbotlab bera olmaysiz. Mani gapim shakkoklik emas. Aytingchi Qur'onda har kimni taqdiri oldindan belgilangan, nima qilsang ham shu narsaga erishasan deb yozilgan joyi bormi? Tugri taqdir deganda siz kengroq narsani tushunyotgan bulishiz mumkin va u holatda man fikrizga qushilaman. Lekin hayotdagi oddiy voqealarni taqdir deb qarash notugri buladi manmicha.
Salomat bo'ling do'st, men bogdan kelsam siz endi Olatovga qarab ketvordiz..Hammamizga chin iymonni nasib qilsin.

[Martingale]

Infolife,

Uzi bu sohada bahslashib umumiy nuqtaga kelish qiyin. Sizga etkazmoqchi bugan fikrlarimni hammasini tushunmasligiz ham mumkin. Yani sizga Windows 1998 urnatilgan busa va manda XP busa, mani programmam uqigan filelarni sizni prog iz uqiyolmasligi mumkin.:) Haqiqat esa haqiqat ligicha qoladi.

Lekin shutta nima demoqchiligizni tushuntirvorsez rosa aqlli ish bulardi:

Baliq boshidan sasir ekan:rolleyes:

[infolife]

Tog'dan kemeng,'computer'iz b/n maqtanib,hamma bilvoldi siziki zo'ru biz g'ariblaniki pachaq ekan.

Izoh:baliq qilp-qilp qiluradiyu,miyasi yahshi ishlamas ekan becharani. :( ko'p hayvonla boshqa joyidan sasisa,baliq boshidan sasirkan
o'ylamasdan qiziqqon gapiradigan odamlaga ishlatiladi,hm..............
Buni ham tushuntirib berish ozgina qiyinro,O'.Hoshimovning 'Daftar hoshiyasidagi bitiklar'ini o'qisez tushunvolas

Laziz,hapa bo'meng,sizi ham hech bo'masa fikriz borligini hurmat qilaman;)

Infolife,

Uzi bu sohada bahslashib umumiy nuqtaga kelish qiyin. Sizga etkazmoqchi bugan fikrlarimni hammasini tushunmasligiz ham mumkin. Yani sizga Windows 1998 urnatilgan busa va manda XP busa, mani programmam uqigan filelarni sizni prog iz uqiyolmasligi mumkin.:) Haqiqat esa haqiqat ligicha qoladi.

Lekin shutta nima demoqchiligizni tushuntirvorsez rosa aqlli ish bulardi:

[NYyankNY]

Laziz_uwed manimcha INFOLIFE fol ochyaptilar shikilik :lol: :lol:
laziz in duhtar barman gapzada royis fumidi lazizi Infolife,

Uzi bu sohada bahslashib umumiy nuqtaga kelish qiyin. Sizga etkazmoqchi bugan fikrlarimni hammasini tushunmasligiz ham mumkin. Yani sizga Windows 1998 urnatilgan busa va manda XP busa, mani programmam uqigan filelarni sizni prog iz uqiyolmasligi mumkin.:) Haqiqat esa haqiqat ligicha qoladi.

Lekin shutta nima demoqchiligizni tushuntirvorsez rosa aqlli ish bulardi:

[Martingale]

Tog'dan kemeng,'computer'iz b/n maqtanib,hamma bilvoldi siziki zo'ru biz g'ariblaniki pachaq ekan.

Izoh:baliq qilp-qilp qiluradiyu,miyasi yahshi ishlamas ekan becharani. :( ko'p hayvonla boshqa joyidan sasisa,baliq boshidan sasirkan
o'ylamasdan qiziqqon gapiradigan odamlaga ishlatiladi,hm..............
Buni ham tushuntirib berish ozgina qiyinro,O'.Hoshimovning 'Daftar hoshiyasidagi bitiklar'ini o'qisez tushunvolas

Laziz,hapa bo'meng,sizi ham hech bo'masa fikriz borligini hurmat qilaman;)

wuahahaha, gap yuq. Lekin eng kamida fikrim borligi uchun hurmat qilishizni bilib juda yam hursandman.;)

[NYyankNY]

yog haffa chilik yog tuxrisi poylayotganim ham yog ;)
1sini sevip goldim nima gilay endi shunaga bularkan
yoki 1tasi sevip golsa ham 1ta poylayatganday kurinadi
Qachon orqamdan poylashshi tashiysiz???:rolleyes:
Poyloqchilik qilyatganiz uchun Pythagorga tarjimonlik qilganida to'lagan pulizdan kam to'laganim uchun hapasiz shekilli-a:lol: :lol: :lol:
ps:tojikchani juda yahshi tushunamanda,my bodyguard speaks good Tajik

[Martingale]

Salomat bo'ling do'st, men bogdan kelsam siz endi Olatovga qarab ketvordiz..Hammamizga chin iymonni nasib qilsin.

Gareeb, it's up to you how you judge. I perfectly know whatcha talkin about, but you are undermining the simple things I brought up to you.
Anywyas, take care.

[PainKiller]

hayotiz qaysi tomonga o'zgarishi bu sizni qo'lizda, erishaman degan narsaizga harakat qisaiz albatta erishasiz! Man albatta bu Ollohdan emas deganim yo'q! /"accidental" degan narsaga ishonmiman/Bekor gap mana shu. Ming harakat kilib, tiransangiz ham, Buni hayot deb koyibdilar, maksadingizga endi erishaman deganingizda, soppa sog kuchada ketayotganingizda PAAQQ!!! etib joniz chikib ketishi muumkin. Yoki, ming yil toplagan(maksad, niyat bilan) molingizni bir kunda ogri urib, yoki olov-polov boshlanib kuyib yok bulishi mumkin. Bularni hammasi taqdeer, Hudodan, Sinov deb kuyibdi.
PS. Inson kanday kilib hayotimiz ozimizni kolimizda deya oladi, agar sal chuchkirib, yotalib kolguday bolsa aptekaga yugurib, shifokorma-shifokor yuradigan bulsa. Kuzni ochib karasa, hayot omonat ekanligini anglab etmok mumkin.

[infolife]

no offtop pls.bu yerda boshqa narsa discuss qilinyapti:?
hazilizi yig'ishtiring NYankNY, oma yomon ezma ekansiz:rolleyes:

yog haffa chilik yog tuxrisi poylayotganim ham yog ;)
1sini sevip goldim nima gilay endi shunaga bularkan
yoki 1tasi sevip golsa ham 1ta poylayatganday kurinadi

[NYyankNY]

sevgan inson 1kun kurgani kelmasa shunaga gizlar har xil gaplar bilan
bechora bolani yezvuradi endi ezma buldimi :( no offtop pls.bu yerda boshqa narsa discuss qilinyapti:?
hazilizi yig'ishtiring NYankNY, oma yomon ezma ekansiz:rolleyes:

[Martingale]

o'limga tayyor bo'lib yashayapman, har bir kunimni huddi ohirgidek, chunki bilmisan reaper qachon kep opketishini!
Reaper, forumdagi mi? :)


ehh, boshqani fikrini o'zgartirishga hattoki urinmangam kelajakda! :D


Tuppa tugri. Siz shu narsani ham tushuntiraman deb ovora bumang, hamma tushunsa ham infolife tushunmidi, chunki u baliqni yahshi kurarakan, uzi etti.:)

[Mahmud]

Har bir inson hayotda o'zi bilganicha sharoit imkonga qarab yashaydi albatta...
Ollohga javob berishni unutmasak bo'ldi...

[stanford]

Men taqdirga qanday ishonish kerak bo'lsa shunday ishonaman.Taqdirga ishonmayman deganlar apandini eshshagidan ham battar ahmoq odamlar deb bilaman.Agar taqdir ularning qo'lida bo'lsa nima uchun ular aynan uzbek yoki qozoq yoki boshqa millat wakili bo'lib tugilishadi.Agar taqirga tan bermaydigan bo'lsak Tsunamida halok bo'lgan shuncha odamni o'z o'limiga o'zlarini aybdor qilamizmi?Yoki nogiron tugilgan bola ham shunday bo'lishiga o'zi sababchimi?
Taqdirga ishonaman deb yozibsizku lekin azaliy ozgarmas taqdir bilan malum bir insonlar taqdirini farqiga bormabsiz.Mutazila degan firqa bor ular ham taqdirga ishonadi lekin haq yoldan adashgan ahli-nor deb ataladi.Ulim,tugilish,er kimirlash,suv toshkini bular taqdiri azaliy,ozgarmas hisoblanadi.Buni Hudo malum vaktida bolishini bitib koygan.Lekin Quronda insonlarga "Menga ibodat kilinglar men silarni ijobat kilaman" deb hitob kilayapti. Bu bilan insonlarni yahshi amallar kilib yahshi taqdirga erishishga ishora kilyapti.Shuning uchun insonlarga akl berdi,yahshi bilan yomonni farqiga borsin,mukofot yoki jazoni tanlasin.Bu bilan Dozahga borishiga ozizi sababchimi degan savolga ha ozi sababchi deb javob beramiz.Agar notugri tushungan bosam aybmas deb oylayman,agar togri tushungan bosam bundon buyon sizi ham din borasida gapirgan gaplarizi oylab korib kabul kilamiz.

[crescent]

Taqdirga ishonaman, uni o'zgatritib bo'lmasligiga ham. Lekin menimcha har bir odamni taqdirida bir faqatgina ma'lum bir hodisalar ro'y berishi yozilgan bo'ladi, o'sha hodisalarga qanday yondashib qanday munosabatda bo'lish esa har bir insonning o'ziga bog'liq. Shu mavzuda Aristotel'ni bir gapi bor edi, hozir topa olmadim.

[MATADOR69]

Ya vse taki dumayu chto destiny - eto ne buduschee, kotoroe jdet tebya, a projitaya liniya jizni, kotoruyu ti stroil tak ili inache. Tolko pri takom rasklade virajenie "Postroy svoyu sudbu sam" obretaet smisl.

[Aziz]

I do beleive in destiny.
I do believe that Allah wrote it before I was born.
I believe I can change my life for the better or worse.

[Amiri Turkiston]

destinyga man ishonmayman

chunki hamma narsa o'zimizani qo'limizda

holis niyat qilib ish boshlasak bulgani - hammasi Allohda

[Mubina]

Amiri Turkiston, adashmasam iymoni bir ustilaridan, taqdirga ishonish bo'ladi.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amiri Turkiston, adashmasam iymoni bir ustilaridan, taqdirga ishonish bo'ladi.

hamma uchun javob bera olmayman

man faqat o'zimning fikrimni aytdim

man o'zi destiny degan so'zni juda yomon ko;raman
taqdir ekanda deydiganlarni ham

lekin mana shu mening kamchilik va hatoim ham bulishi mumkin
Allohu Alam

[Shokirbek]

destinyga man ishonmayman

chunki hamma narsa o'zimizani qo'limizda

holis niyat qilib ish boshlasak bulgani - hammasi Allohda

Yuqoridagi postlarni o'qib chiqib shu gapni aytayotgan bo'lsangiz birov sizni kofirga chiqarsa xafa bo'lmang, chunki taqdirni inkor etgan kishi kofir bo'ladi (ishonish iymon shartlaridan biri ekanini bilaturib inkor etgan bo'lsa).

[Chimp]

Nu ya neznayu esli ya veryu v destiny ili net. No chto mogu skazat', hayotda hamma narsa tugri qilinsa ili etishganidek hammani taqdiri o'zini qo'lida<---Bu natog'ri db bilaman. Chunki etili tugri yul bilan ketib hamma narsa yahshilikka qilinib, nu karoche vse kak ray. I chtoto sluchitsa i vse.
Eto vse ? Destiny? Hammani peshanasida yozilgan db bilaman, no hammani o'zini qo'lida degan gap no'tugri.

take it ezzzzy=))))

[Mubina]

hamma uchun javob bera olmayman

man faqat o'zimning fikrimni aytdim

man o'zi destiny degan so'zni juda yomon ko;raman
taqdir ekanda deydiganlarni ham

lekin mana shu mening kamchilik va hatoim ham bulishi mumkin
Allohu Alam
eslatib qo'yish bizlarni (Musulmonlarni) farzi, qolgani o'zizga havola.

omad sizga.

[Marg'iloniy]

Taqdirni Muhammad SAV "Har yahshilikni beruvchi, har yomonlikdan qutqaruvchi Allohdir" deya tariflangan hadislarini uqiganman.

bu bilan, Payg'ambarimiz bizni har doim yahshi niyat qilishga, yahshilik uchun intilishga undaganlar. yomonlikni beruvchi emas, qutqaruvchi, aslida u ham Allohdan. lekin biz yahshilikka umid qilishimiz kerak.

Taqdir, hamma narsa Allohdan dep bilish imon ustuni. Alloh barchamizni taqdirimizni azaldan Lahful Mahfuzga bitib quygan, Allohni irodasiz bizni chivin ham chaqa olmaydi. Alloh bandalarini oldindan nima qilishini biladi, lekin buni anglab yetish uchun bandalarni ilmi yetarli emas. Bizning aqliy qobilyatimizdan tashqari ilm bilan bularni biladi. Shuning uchun Taqdirga ishonishimiz, va yahshilikka umid qilib, uzimizni isloh qilib yashashga intiishimiz kerak. Taqdir shu ekan dep utirish johilni ishi bo'ladi.

bu mani fikrim...

Taqdirga ishonaman deb yozibsizku lekin azaliy ozgarmas taqdir bilan malum bir insonlar taqdirini farqiga bormabsiz.Mutazila degan firqa bor ular ham taqdirga ishonadi lekin haq yoldan adashgan ahli-nor deb ataladi.Ulim,tugilish,er kimirlash,suv toshkini bular taqdiri azaliy,ozgarmas hisoblanadi.Buni Hudo malum vaktida bolishini bitib koygan.Lekin Quronda insonlarga "Menga ibodat kilinglar men silarni ijobat kilaman" deb hitob kilayapti. Bu bilan insonlarni yahshi amallar kilib yahshi taqdirga erishishga ishora kilyapti.Shuning uchun insonlarga akl berdi,yahshi bilan yomonni farqiga borsin,mukofot yoki jazoni tanlasin.Bu bilan Dozahga borishiga ozizi sababchimi degan savolga ha ozi sababchi deb javob beramiz.Agar notugri tushungan bosam aybmas deb oylayman,agar togri tushungan bosam bundon buyon sizi ham din borasida gapirgan gaplarizi oylab korib kabul kilamiz.

[al-quds muslim]

salamu alaikum,

beleiving in destiny, is abase of several islamic bases, that we can see in hadith, but that not means not to work, as your destiny is obligated on u, or to relate every thing bad of the results to destiny .

one must work at all, life is the field of work ,that one must tie the cause by its effect, and ,if one wants the good result in some work, he/she must work hard and do all legal works that may realize him/her to that wanted result .

and in the case that, one work frequently ,and not have the result at every time , that not means to set and blame destiny, it is just (examination) of allah (the god) , but still work,repeat trying , and the result will be good, if not in this life, in the seconed, no thing will be lost, and every good work , must have agood result, if not now, in an other time .




and thank u all very much