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just somebody
10-23-2005, 01:57 PM
I know it's off topic. But it is necessary for my college things... assignment! Just can you answer if you like our president? and why?
Thanks!
NYyankNY
10-23-2005, 02:08 PM
Yurt boshimiz sox salomat bulsin .
cane i ask you 1 thing why 18 yer befor know one come to USA r oll over world for study . now unversitys sending students for study becouse one thing .Islom.A.K he did a lot for uzbekistan and yes i like him oll i cane say tank you IslomakaI know it's off topic. But it is necessary for my college things... assignment! Just can you answer if you like our president? and why?
Thanks!
PainKiller
10-23-2005, 02:10 PM
all I can say is that he did a lot.
Mogul
10-23-2005, 02:15 PM
I will like him when he croaks.
Shirin_Qiz
11-01-2005, 09:42 PM
<====== RASIMGA garrap gaper i think i look good :)grls like me
uzr ishingizga aralashni hohlamiman lekin Islom A K bizadan kopni korgan va kopro oqigan odam ustidan bunaqa kulish yaxshimas
Muslima_qiz
11-01-2005, 09:53 PM
Allahni birinchi sevish kerak Presidentimiz Allahdan hech kachon ustun bulolmaydi. Man hak gapni gapirishni yahshi kuraman fakat kesatib hmm
Ha ula juda kup narsalar kildilar halkimiz uchun LOL juda juda kup shuning uchun necha million halkdan 6 millioni Toshkentdan boshka joylarda dam olib yurishibdi buni hammamiz Prezident sharofati bilan
so bulilar.
gafuri
11-01-2005, 09:54 PM
Postive
negative things about"obosriniy karimov"
Positive:Keeps Uzbekistan peacefull nation "hidden by the trees" rare exotic"
visits other countries.He just sits in his office chay pyot and has lots of women
Negative:He made it suck.He could of have been a much better president.Is friends with bush.
Muslima_qiz
11-01-2005, 10:29 PM
Postive
negative things about"obosriniy karimov"
Positive:Keeps Uzbekistan peacefull nation "hidden by the trees" rare exotic"
visits other countries.He just sits in his office chay pyot and has lots of women
Negative:He made it suck.He could of have been a much better president.Is friends with bush.
lol aight?????????? :):):):):):):):)=))
Amiri Turkiston
11-02-2005, 03:11 AM
agar man president bulganimda ko'proq narsalarga erishar edim
ja mahtanishni yahshi kuraman de
Amiri Turkiston
11-02-2005, 03:17 AM
bu previboniny agitaciya edi
tak chto keying saylovda mani esiladan chiqarmela
kim primer bulmoqchi - qo'lilani kutarila....
Shokirbek
11-02-2005, 04:04 AM
2007 yil yaqin qoldi (saylovlar o'shandamidi?), xalqimizga Olloh o'zi yo'l ko'rsatsin, bag'riga oftob tegsin shuncha yillik jafodan so'ng.
Uzbekxonim
11-02-2005, 04:13 AM
i think that the results of the last elections of I.A.K in 2000 (almoast 90% votes, if i'm not mistaken) can be the answer to your question.
gafuri
11-02-2005, 04:49 AM
lol aight?????????? :):):):):):):):)=))He f**ks them'
Amiri Turkiston
11-02-2005, 05:13 AM
i think that the results of the last elections of I.A.K in 2000 (almoast 90% votes, if i'm not mistaken) can be the answer to your question.
we need some fresh mind
new postive views
etc.
our nation is really cost it, because othervise they can't survive without changes
Amiri Turkiston
11-02-2005, 05:18 AM
2007 yil yaqin qoldi (saylovlar o'shandamidi?), xalqimizga Olloh o'zi yo'l ko'rsatsin, bag'riga oftob tegsin shuncha yillik jafodan so'ng.
inshaalloh
man hammasini o'zgartiraman :D
Uzbekxonim
11-02-2005, 05:59 AM
we need some fresh mind
new postive views
etc.
our nation is really cost it, because othervise they can't survive without changes
ssory but i didn't understand your post. did you mean that we need posts (in this forum) with more fresh minds and positive views or you meant Uzbekistan?
Gareeb
11-02-2005, 06:18 AM
For the sake of Allah I hate him
Mesud_Barzani
11-02-2005, 06:50 AM
who likes mesud barzani :rolleyes:
Alesser
11-02-2005, 06:54 AM
I know it's off topic. But it is necessary for my college things... assignment! Just can you answer if you like our president? and why?
Thanks!
I use to respect him, and I was very proud of him back in 2000-2002y. Now, I honestly just hate him. I hate him and his buddies who are trying to close their eyes to all the misseries of our nation back home....
Shokirbek
11-02-2005, 07:28 AM
who likes mesud barzani :rolleyes:
Bu yerda Mas'ud Barzoniyga balo bormi? :( :D
Kurdlar ichidan axtaring (hamma kurdlarning ham emas, xudobezorilari ichidan).
Pythagor
11-02-2005, 08:30 AM
bu previboniny agitaciya edi
tak chto keying saylovda mani esiladan chiqarmela
kim primer bulmoqchi - qo'lilani kutarila....
President's place is already busy...
I guess he is keeping Uzbekistan in Dark Ages (for similarity - see ex-president Enver Hodja in Albania). The "friendship" with the Jr. (in mind) George Bush - the "F**K warrior" - is a petrol-based one. And CIA did't make the "shit job" in questioning the "terrorist" Afgans... I guess it was an "honourable" job for Uzbek Security Forces. Maybe the Uzbek president has a brighter side, all I could see from abroad were the killings in what NY Times called "An Uzbekistan massacre" (see http://blog.politicalnonsense.com/2005/06/08/main/uzbekistan-massacre-investigation/). May God forgive Karimov, Almatov and other key officials who were part of that killings, because I guess the survivors will never forget or forgive that. The USA, as a "Global Watchdog" and "The Champion of Democracy", didn't say a word about that. Well, their industry is more & more petrol-based and "Uncle Sam" drives a very big car, who needs cheap fuel, who needs Karimov, who needs... Bleah!!!
And another thing: LOOK, Uzbek intelectuals, like "creme de la creme", are sheltered in my home country, Romania (see http://www.ziua.net/display.php?id=181678&data=2005-07-29)
As a journalist, I will pay them a visit, then ask them what do they think about Mr. President - Dictator of Uzbekistan!!!
(In my opinion, it's preferably Diadia Putin, even if Russian communists f**ked up Romania for 45 years... bleah, again!!!)
Gareeb
11-02-2005, 03:38 PM
I have never seen uzbeks who loves him sincerely..
He has done more bad things than good ones
lincoln
11-02-2005, 03:53 PM
When I look to other countries I see than they are more ahead than we are! And you know all of former Soviet Union countries began everything at the same time. But where are we now? I really can't say in BEST TOP. Why? Everything happens because of our favorite "yurtboshi"! Well, somebody maybe doesn't agree with me, but even if so I think we are not in the right position now.
What about FREEDOM OF SPEECH? I bet we can't talk about him, or something on TV or anywhere. Have you ever thought about WHY? Think, then you'll find an answer...
Gareeb
11-02-2005, 03:58 PM
When I look to other countries I see than they are more ahead than we are! And you know all of former Soviet Union countries began everything at the same time. But where are we now? I really can't say in BEST TOP. Why? Everything happens because of our favorite "yurtboshi"! Well, somebody maybe doesn't agree with me, but even if so I think we are not in the right position now.
What about FREEDOM OF SPEECH? I bet we can't talk about him, or something on TV or anywhere. Have you ever thought about WHY? Think, then you'll find an answer...
yep, you are right.. Because of this "cho'tir bashara" we are in backwards in many things..
PHOENIX
11-02-2005, 04:07 PM
I guess he is keeping Uzbekistan in Dark Ages (for similarity - see ex-president Enver Hodja in Albania). The "friendship" with the Jr. (in mind) George Bush - the "F**K warrior" - is a petrol-based one. And CIA did't make the "shit job" in questioning the "terrorist" Afgans... I guess it was an "honourable" job for Uzbek Security Forces. Maybe the Uzbek president has a brighter side, all I could see from abroad were the killings in what NY Times called "An Uzbekistan massacre" (see http://blog.politicalnonsense.com/2005/06/08/main/uzbekistan-massacre-investigation/). May God forgive Karimov, Almatov and other key officials who were part of that killings, because I guess the survivors will never forget or forgive that. The USA, as a "Global Watchdog" and "The Champion of Democracy", didn't say a word about that. Well, their industry is more & more petrol-based and "Uncle Sam" drives a very big car, who needs cheap fuel, who needs Karimov, who needs... Bleah!!!
Even if you are crazy to search for one of the night birds on Katartal str., Tashkent, I really appreciate your mind on this thread.
Additional information and the reason why I agreed with him:
1) www.muslimuzbekistan.com (http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com) ,
2) www.centrasia.ru (http://www.centrasia.ru)
Maybe there you can find more shocking things...
Patriot of motherland,
PHOENIX...
UzLand
11-02-2005, 04:44 PM
i think that the results of the last elections of I.A.K in 2000 (almoast 90% votes, if i'm not mistaken) can be the answer to your question.
First of all, let's not take Uzbek elections as the mirror of real public support.
Secondly, 2005 is not 2000 and vice-versa.
UzLand
11-02-2005, 04:46 PM
agar man president bulganimda ko'proq narsalarga erishar edim
ja mahtanishni yahshi kuraman de
I am sure in Uzbekistan's current situation anybody can be a better president. How worse can it be?
UzLand
11-02-2005, 04:47 PM
all I can say is that he did a lot.
Oh, ya. He did a lot. Are we here discussing how much he did or how much of what he did?
lincoln
11-02-2005, 05:03 PM
I am sure in Uzbekistan's current situation anybody can be a better president. How worse can it be?[/quote]
Yeahhhh, you are right, it can't be worse.
Molodes klassnya misl'.
rudnic
11-02-2005, 06:51 PM
i think that the results of the last elections of I.A.K in 2000 (almoast 90% votes, if i'm not mistaken) can be the answer to your question.
I am sorry but the election results of 2000 is not and cannot be answer to our question. Cause who makes that elections and who reports them is a conpiracy,isn't it?
Mr.İslam A.K is neither evil nor angle.But I like him.
Amiri Turkiston
11-02-2005, 09:28 PM
President's place is already busy...
kecha qoldiz birodar
endi faqat: primer ministor bula olasiz agar ulgursez
Uzbekxonim
11-03-2005, 02:09 AM
First of all, let's not take Uzbek elections as the mirror of real public support.
Secondly, 2005 is not 2000 and vice-versa.
2000 was not 1995 (when IAK was elected, if i'm not mistaken), still there was the same results.
why you say that it can't be a real mirror of public support? do you think that this public even tried to read the biography of other candidates? this real public do not care, they just go and choose him so that not to bother themself by thinking: "maybe another candidate is better..."
ДЖИГИТ
11-03-2005, 02:40 AM
To, chto vi vse govorite mol, on sdelal mnogoe, ne oznachaet plyus dlya I.A.Karimova, tak kak sposobstvovanie nauchnogo obmena, vklyuchaya sozdanie vozmojnosti obuchenuya za rubejom, stroitel'stvo i obustriystvo gorodov yavlyaetsya odnim iz pervostepennih obyazannost'ey lyubogo pravitel'stva, eto NE est' zasluga Ishaka, eto ego obyazannost', bil bi drugoy na ego meste, bila bi takaya je obyazannost' na nyom! U mnogih vas rabolepnoe uzbekskoe mishlenie, inachebi ne putali bi obyazannost' s zaslugoy, bolee togo, sovremenniy Uzbekistan prevratilsya v RINOK TRUDA dlya vsego mira, sploshnaya bezrabotitsa, uzbeki v 90-ih ne priznavali kazahov ili kirgizov, teper' je uzbeki na slujbe u teh je kazahov i kirgizov, oshibki Ishaka nevozmojno perechislit', vor est' vor, inache ne nazovyosh', hotya uzbeki zaslujili takogo pravitelya, ne bil bi on takim gos terroristom, kak govoritsya "o'zbela maqtanish natijasida o'zi kimligini esdan chiqarib qo'yishar edi, juda osmonga sakrab ketardi". Vot vremya pokazalo, na skol'ko effektiven uzbekskiy put' razvitiya! Raduytes', hvalite uzbekbashi, "vi" dostoyni drug-druga!
PHOENIX
11-03-2005, 02:53 AM
To, chto vi vse govorite mol, on sdelal mnogoe, ne oznachaet plyus dlya I.A.Karimova, tak kak sposobstvovanie nauchnogo obmena, vklyuchaya sozdanie vozmojnosti obuchenuya za rubejom, stroitel'stvo i obustriystvo gorodov yavlyaetsya odnim iz pervostepennih obyazannost'ey lyubogo pravitel'stva, eto NE est' zasluga Ishaka, eto ego obyazannost', bil bi drugoy na ego meste, bila bi takaya je obyazannost' na nyom! U mnogih vas rabolepnoe uzbekskoe mishlenie, inachebi ne putali bi obyazannost' s zaslugoy, bolee togo, sovremenniy Uzbekistan prevratilsya v RINOK TRUDA dlya vsego mira, sploshnaya bezrabotitsa, uzbeki v 90-ih ne priznavali kazahov ili kirgizov, teper' je uzbeki na slujbe u teh je kazahov i kirgizov, oshibki Ishaka nevozmojno perechislit', vor est' vor, inache ne nazovyosh', hotya uzbeki zaslujili takogo pravitelya, ne bil bi on takim gos terroristom, kak govoritsya "o'zbela maqtanish natijasida o'zi kimligini esdan chiqarib qo'yishar edi, juda osmonga sakrab ketardi". Vot vremya pokazalo, na skol'ko effektiven uzbekskiy put' razvitiya! Raduytes', hvalite uzbekbashi, "vi" dostoyni drug-druga!
Qonimmi qaynatmeng, DJIGIT, nima bo'lganda ham, Sizga uzbeklarni haqorat qilishga hali hech kim huquq berib qo'ygani yo'q. Nostradamussipat odamga o'hshab gapirasiz, huddi "man sizlarga nima degandim!!!" qilib..He!
Protector of nation,
PHOENIX
ДЖИГИТ
11-03-2005, 02:58 AM
Qonimmi qaynatmeng, DJIGIT, nima bo'lganda ham, Sizga uzbeklarni haqorat qilishga hali hech kim huquq berib qo'ygani yo'q. Nostradamussipat odamga o'hshab gapirasiz, huddi "man sizlarga nima degandim!!!" qilib..He!
Protector of nation,
PHOENIX
Gapirishga gapirmaganmiz, leik faktni qabul qila olish kerak, o'jar insonlargina haqiqatni qabul qilishni istamay, har-hil argumentlar keltiradi. Pravda v glaza kolit! Sizga tegib ketdimi haqiqat?!:D
Uzbekxonim
11-03-2005, 03:03 AM
hotya uzbeki zaslujili takogo pravitelya, ne bil bi on takim gos terroristom, kak govoritsya "o'zbela maqtanish natijasida o'zi kimligini esdan chiqarib qo'yishar edi, juda osmonga sakrab ketardi". Vot vremya pokazalo, na skol'ko effektiven uzbekskiy put' razvitiya! Raduytes', hvalite uzbekbashi, "vi" dostoyni drug-druga!
a vi sebya ne otnosite k grupppe "vi" dostoyni drug-druga?
vi ne Uzbek ili ne Uzbekistanets?
PHOENIX
11-03-2005, 03:05 AM
Vot vremya pokazalo, na skol'ko effektiven uzbekskiy put' razvitiya! Raduytes', hvalite uzbekbashi, "vi" dostoyni drug-druga!
Yo'q, manga faqat ohirgi kesatiq gaplariz tegib ketdi. Haqiqatni sal boshqacha rakursdan ko'rar ekansiz. Eto absoluytno ne uzbekskiy put' razvitiya, eto put' pravitel'stva Uzbekistana, shto ne odno i toje. Uzbek halqi hozirgi yashash sharoitini hohliydi, deb o'ylasangiz, hato qilasiz...
Cheers,
PHOENIX
ДЖИГИТ
11-03-2005, 03:21 AM
Yo'q, manga faqat ohirgi kesatiq gaplariz tegib ketdi. Haqiqatni sal boshqacha rakursdan ko'rar ekansiz. Eto absoluytno ne uzbekskiy put' razvitiya, eto put' pravitel'stva Uzbekistana, shto ne odno i toje. Uzbek halqi hozirgi yashash sharoitini hohliydi, deb o'ylasangiz, hato qilasiz...
Cheers,
PHOENIX
Hozirgi hayotni hozir hohlamaydi, chunki anglab etvotti noto'g'riligini, lekin mustaqillik boshlarida hohlagan, hukumatni nayrangiga o'ynagan, o'ynavotti ham, oq-soqollar qora soqolga aylangan, hattoki hozir ham halq ichida ko'z - ko'rona IAK ni maqtaydiganlar bor, bo'lsa ham faqat o'zbeklar, boshqa millatlar faqat kuladi ularni ustidan, buni bildirmasa ham! K tomu je kto esli ne uzbeki predstavlyayut pravitel'stvo Uzbekistana? Prakticheski 100% v gosstrukturah uzbeki!
PHOENIX
11-03-2005, 03:28 AM
Narodnaya mudrost':
"Esli est' hot' odin parshiviy baran, to on oparshivit vse stado."
Chto j, v etom mojno vinit' tol'ko trusost' etih lyudey, potomu chto oni, boyas' za svoe kreslo, vsyacheski podderjivayut IAKa.
PHOENIX
Uzbekxonim
11-03-2005, 03:33 AM
a vi sebya ne otnosite k grupppe "vi" dostoyni drug-druga?
vi ne Uzbek ili ne Uzbekistanets?
DJIGIT,
shu savolimga javob bersangiz juda minnatdor bo'lardim
ДЖИГИТ
11-03-2005, 03:55 AM
DJIGIT,
shu savolimga javob bersangiz juda minnatdor bo'lardim
Otnosyatsya te, kto podderjivaet IAKa, ya je ne podderjivayu i ne otnoshu sebya k toy kategorii. Kto je mojet podderjivat' togo, kto puskaya pil' v glaza with funny promises, obnishal vsyu respubliku, tol'ko tot kto imeet ot etogo vigodu ili tol'ko glupoy i naivniy, kto verit v kajdoe ego slovo. Na to oni i dostoyni drug-druga.
Uzbekxonim
11-03-2005, 04:07 AM
Otnosyatsya te, kto podderjivaet IAKa, ya je ne podderjivayu i ne otnoshu sebya k toy kategorii. Kto je mojet podderjivat' togo, kto puskaya pil' v glaza with funny promises, obnishal vsyu respubliku, tol'ko tot kto imeet ot etogo vigodu ili tol'ko glupoy i naivniy, kto verit v kajdoe ego slovo. Na to oni i dostoyni drug-druga.
then i misunderstood you. i thought you're talking about the whole Uzbekistan society, not the ones who supported IAK(actually 90% of that society who voted for IAK). then you must be of the rest 10 % group. i see now.
ДЖИГИТ
11-03-2005, 04:07 AM
Ya uzbek, i ya Uzbekistanets, odnako eto ne oznachaet, chto buduchi Uzbekom ya doljen ego podderjivat', bil bi tolkoviy chelovek, dostoyniy pohvali, bez bazara, a na dele svidu chelovek, a iznutri volk, aktoyr, mojet tak zatronut' serdtsa mnogih teh, kto naiven, naprimer takimi slovami" Man o'z bolalarimni hech kimga bermayman!". Politik aktyor, primerov skolko hochesh'. Ya ne gorjus' chto uzbek, puskay ne nazivayut uzbekom, nu i chto. Eto ne glavnoe!
all I can say is that he did a lot.
Oh, ya. He did a lot. Are we here discussing how much he did or how much of what he did? Не думаю что он много сделал. Независимость Узбекистану как и всем 14 республикам бывшего Союза досталась легко. После обретения Независимости за 15 лет ничего сделано не было. Было укрепление мафиозно-коммунистической системы. Все плохое что было при коммунизме правительство холит и лелеет несмотря на то что слово "СССР" под запретом.
Политика.
Коммунистическую партию переименовали в Народно-Демократическую. Откололи от нее для вида еще несколько мини-партий, у которых как ни старайся не найдешь программы. Президент Каримов имет полномочий больше чем генсек. Оппозиции нет. Вакуум заполняют отморозки из ИДУ и пр. Выборов фактически нет. На выборах в Парламент мы выбираем (если не за нас выбирают) кого из людей презединта выбрать а кого отсеять ровно как и раньше мы выбирали из коммунистов. Выборы президента - тоже анекдот.
Экномика.
Типичный мафиозный коммунизм с той лишь разницей что разрешили открывать мелкие магазины и чайханы. Псевдоприватизация, псевдоакционирование. Все эти так называемые акционерные компании и общества реально поделены между людьми президента и контролируются государством. В сельском хозяйствет тоже вместио колхозов ширкаты. Тоже лишь название поменяли. В реальности договорные обязательства такие что дехканину остается хрен с маслом. Все те же приписки и очковтирательство. Налоги такие что без обмана ни один предприниматель не выживет. Созданы все условия для расцвета коррупции и взяточничества. Валютная политика типично советского типа, ограничен оборот наличных денег, экспорт и импорт под жесточайшим контролем государства. Такие ограничения оборота денежных средств какие существуют в Узбекистане очень скоро приведут к полному краху экономики страны... Безработица и цены растут, уровень жизни падает. Создаются все условия для того чтобы молодежь шла к радикалам из экстремитстских организаций
Человек - отношение, права и свободы человека и гражданина.
Права человека провозглашены формально, но никто не торопиться их соблюдать. Инакомыслие зажимается еще сильнее чем при коммунизме. Вечерние сказки Ахборот - все что предлагает нам узбекское тедлевидение, в газетах все как один расхваливают нашу прекрасную жизнь. Свободно говорить нельзя не то что о политике, даже о футболе. Право на свободу предвижения ограничено - выездные визы, проверка паспортов чуть ли не у каждго столба и пр. Такого не было даже при коммунизме чтобы при въезде в область мент у всех подряд проверял паспорта.
Социальная политика.
Вот тут прикрываясь переходом на рыночную экономику убрали все льготы, заставили платить за учебники и пр.
Говорить можно долго еще о бестолковом образовании и пр.
Но я думаю неправильно говорить что Каримов сделал много. Это говорят о нем СМИ что не будь Каримова Узбекистан сейчас бы не был независимой страной.
Alesser
11-03-2005, 06:59 AM
yep, you are right.. Because of this "cho'tir bashara" we are in backwards in many things..
Indeed bro.
Brigadir
11-03-2005, 07:39 AM
Prezidentimizga gap bo'lishi mumkin emas!!!
U juda aqlli odam... Ahir 25million odamni shuncha yildan beri buyuk kelajakka ishontirib kevotti...
krokobazuka
11-03-2005, 08:38 AM
Postive
negative things about"obosriniy karimov"
Positive:Keeps Uzbekistan peacefull nation "hidden by the trees" rare exotic"
visits other countries.He just sits in his office chay pyot and has lots of women
Negative:He made it suck.He could of have been a much better president.Is friends with bush.
This guy is AWESOME :lol: can anybody write more pathetic and more funny than gafuri?
gafuri
11-03-2005, 08:41 AM
This guy is AWESOME :lol: can anybody write more pathetic and more funny than gafuri?He f*cks young women in his office.
presidentimizga gap yoq, ozbekiston kelajagi buyuk davlat...
hech ham hazillashayotganim yoq
UzLand
11-03-2005, 08:53 AM
2000 was not 1995 (when IAK was elected, if i'm not mistaken), still there was the same results.
Elections were in December of 1991. In March of 1995 we had only a referendum to extend his presidency.
do you think that this public even tried to read the biography of other candidates? this real public do not care, they just go and choose him so that not to bother themself by thinking: "maybe another candidate is better..."
You are now expressing exactly the government's opinion that says to people "why care about candidates if you don't know them anyways? Just vote!"
However if you create such conditions under which candidates will be allowed to conduct their campaign the way they want to be able to appeal to people and under which people are not intimidated to vote for anyone they are comfortable with but not someone they are told to in mahalla, school or work, then you would see different results. The 2000 elections were so hillarious that the other presidential candidate himself voted for his opponent and publicly admitted it fooling thousands of people who voted for him.
Uzbekxonim
11-03-2005, 09:06 AM
Elections were in December of 1991. In March of 1995 we had only a referendum to extend his presidency.
then while extending his presidency
You are now expressing exactly the government's opinion that says to people "why care about candidates if you don't know them anyways? Just vote!"
i think you misunderstood me. even if those people are told to vote for this candidate they don't even bother to read the other candidate's biography.
it's not about government's opinion. it's my own opinion - our people do not care to whom they give their votes. they are not even interested in other candidates. this is all about law consiousness of our people. it seems like that they don't understand that while voting for president candidate they vote for their future.
However if you create such conditions under which candidates will be allowed to conduct their campaign the way they want to be able to appeal to people and under which people are not intimidated to vote for anyone they are comfortable with but not someone they are told to in mahalla, school or work, then you would see different results.
i agree with you here.
The 2000 elections were so hillarious that the other presidential candidate himself voted for his opponent and publicly admitted it fooling thousands of people who voted for him.
this is what i don't understand in our people - they do what they were told to do even when their vote cannot be checked (for whom he voted)
regards
PHOENIX
11-03-2005, 10:29 AM
Nu, eto je traditsionno uzbekskiye vybory: Vse za, a kajdiy protiv. :D :crying:
PHOENIX
Even if I don't mix a woman search with politics (for me the Uzbekistan situation it's international affairs, but it concerns even my country), I agree with Phoenix. I will tell you later about the Uzbek refugees in Romania, maybe they are expats now but they are surely FREE:) Even if you are crazy to search for one of the night birds on Katartal str., Tashkent, I really appreciate your mind on this thread.
Additional information and the reason why I agreed with him:
1) www.muslimuzbekistan.com (http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com) ,
2) www.centrasia.ru (http://www.centrasia.ru)
Maybe there you can find more shocking things...
Patriot of motherland,
PHOENIX...
UzLand
11-03-2005, 10:50 AM
Не думаю что он много сделал. После обретения Независимости за 15 лет ничего сделано не было. Было укрепление мафиозно-коммунистической системы.
А разве это ничего не делать? Мы же тут не отвечаем на вопрос что он сделал для народа. А так, он много что сделал:D
PHOENIX
11-03-2005, 11:00 AM
coss, are you in Romania right now/these days?
If yes, could you provide us right information about those uzbek people in Romania and about their life there.. thanks a lot.
Best,
PHOENIX
More about "friendly" Karimov: http://www.bookcase.com/~claudia/mt/archives/000770.html
Romania needs petrol, but... however. And Gulana Karimova was very upset about that!!!
No chance for me to travel in Uzbekistan:(
And Romanian Ambassador in Russian Federation said, when asked:
- What is the situation with the Uzbek refugees that you have sheltered?
- It's most simple. On the petition of the UN Supreme Commissariat for Refugees we agreed to shelter them for a time. These are the Uzbek citizens who fled to Kirghizia. There are more than 400 people. For us they are refugees and this matter is not discussed from the political point of view. It is a purely humanitarian issue. I am glad that Romania has showed elementary concern about these people. The issue could have had political interpretation had there been a report of the EU on the situation in Andijan. However, it was Uzbekistan that did not let international experts in. So there is no politics to it.
And another letter to Condoleeza Rice: http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=3745&l=1&m=1
But there is no answer: oilrigs are more important!
gafuri
11-03-2005, 11:20 AM
More about "friendly" Karimov: http://www.bookcase.com/~claudia/mt/archives/000770.html
Romania needs petrol, but... however. And Gulana Karimova was very upset about that!!!
No chance for me to travel in Uzbekistan:(
And Romanian Ambassador in Russian Federation said, when asked:
- What is the situation with the Uzbek refugees that you have sheltered?
- It's most simple. On the petition of the UN Supreme Commissariat for Refugees we agreed to shelter them for a time. These are the Uzbek citizens who fled to Kirghizia. There are more than 400 people. For us they are refugees and this matter is not discussed from the political point of view. It is a purely humanitarian issue. I am glad that Romania has showed elementary concern about these people. The issue could have had political interpretation had there been a report of the EU on the situation in Andijan. However, it was Uzbekistan that did not let international experts in. So there is no politics to it.
And another letter to Condoleeza Rice: http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=3745&l=1&m=1
But there is no answer: oilrigs are more important!He boils people.And does women in his office.
I am a Romanian, sure that I live in Romania.
I live in the Capital of the country - Bucharest, Timisoara is about 700 km far away, I can't go there easily. There is a very nice place, Timisoara (in Banat Region) was the spark for Romanian revolution that overthrow the communist Romanian dictatorship of Ceausescu in 1989 (he killed there more people that what happened in Andijan). So, there are nice people, who received gladly the Uzbek refugees, because they know what means an uprising agains dictatorship. So, I guess the refugees are well-treated, Romania will be a part of European Union in 2007 and it is an internationally-monitorised country and it is civilised. By the way, Romanians are wellcoming people, when a Romanian receives a stranger, he will "stuff" him with food, so I guess that someone can find in Timisoara... fat refugees. But I feel pity about their families in Uzbekistan, Karimov said they are "terrorists", even "Kyrgyz terrorists"...
Maybe I will go in Timisoara (I have relatives there) and I will tell you more, but I don't know when.
coss, are you in Romania right now/these days?
If yes, could you provide us right information about those uzbek people in Romania and about their life there.. thanks a lot.
Best,
PHOENIX
More exact information:
"456 Uzbek citizens who sought refuge in Kirgizia following revolts in their native country arrived in Romanian city of Timisoara on Thursday night, where they are going to stay for six months after which they are to leave for other states that will grant them residence, announced Foreign Minister Mihai Razvan Ungureanu. The Uzbek refugees arrived in Romania after the Moldovan Republic and Ukraine rejected them. The costs of their stay in Romania will be covered by the international bodies dealing with refugees and migration and from Romanian resources."
NB - One good point for Romanians:D
Frida
11-03-2005, 12:32 PM
Hey Coss,
Thank you very much for updates. Look forward to hearing more about this issue...
Kaptan-i Derya
11-03-2005, 12:55 PM
More exact information:
"456 Uzbek citizens who sought refuge in Kirgizia following revolts in their native country arrived in Romanian city of Timisoara on Thursday night, where they are going to stay for six months after which they are to leave for other states that will grant them residence, announced Foreign Minister Mihai Razvan Ungureanu. The Uzbek refugees arrived in Romania after the Moldovan Republic and Ukraine rejected them. The costs of their stay in Romania will be covered by the international bodies dealing with refugees and migration and from Romanian resources."
NB - One good point for Romanians:D Hey arent they crimean Tatars who where moved by russians to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzistan?
Hey arent they crimean Tatars who where moved by russians to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzistan?
Yes, they were from Ukraine (most of them, from Odessa region), part of them from eastern Republic of Moldova (actually, the self-proclamated Socialist Republic of Transnistria) and so on. I know they were moved by Stalin in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan; others were settled in Kazahstan. I know that even Moldavians (who spoke Romanian language) were deported in Kazahstan; some of them live there in present days...
Iskandar Mavand
02-14-2006, 11:49 PM
are you crasy man everybody loves him!!!
Lok_Doggfhjkm
02-15-2006, 12:01 AM
I think our president did alot to our nation, without him Uzbekistan couldve been as the Chechnia... Yes I do agree with the point that the nation has suffered and some are suffering still, but its way too deep into politics, from which I prefer to stay away. InshAllah we will go good soon...
bacha
02-15-2006, 12:04 AM
One says he did a lot for the country, the other brings up ninety percent votes, is it some kind of joke? If not, then pity for you, if yes then you have plenty of sarcasm and good sense of humor.
I knew one teacher who liked the president and vigerously supported him. In winters he would come from his village in his old worn-out shoes to the school and make us feel sorry for him. Begging for money or pens and other stuff from students is another long story. For calling the president dictator he threw me out of the class and threatened to kick out of the liceum(he tried, didn't work). These people have genetic feeling of obedience to the ones above themselves. As for the rest of the population, first five years of his presidency people were watching him on TV and liked him. Second five years people would blame bureaucracy, third they would turn off the TV, fourth they went out to the streets and were killed.
Uzbekxonim
02-15-2006, 04:47 AM
I knew one teacher who liked the president and vigerously supported him. In winters he would come from his village in his old worn-out shoes to the school and make us feel sorry for him. Begging for money or pens and other stuff from students is another long story. For calling the president dictator he threw me out of the class and threatened to kick out of the liceum(he tried, didn't work).
i think that he's just misinformed or has beatifull pinky eye-glasses.
These people have genetic feeling of obedience to the ones above themselves.
i think that this genetic feeling will always be with our people. it inherited from generation to a generation.
PALESTINE
02-15-2006, 05:43 AM
i think that the results of the last elections of I.A.K in 2000 (almoast 90% votes, if i'm not mistaken) can be the answer to your question.
for saddam the result was 100% directly before the war, elections give false results when tongue is tied and punnishment for the people used...
really, uzbekistan is too far from me, dont know what happened there exactly
however he is your country president, and the people must follow him if was right, and replace him if was wrong ...
regards
Frida
02-15-2006, 07:03 PM
I hate him. I hate for everything that he did to Uzbekistan and its people. I hate him because --- we dont have any f****g rights! I hate him because of his crappy plans to develop economy - majority of Uzbekistan's population dont live but survive, I hate him for men who are cleanning toilets and streets in Moscow (when I first saw them in Moscow, I just wanted to cry)!!! I hate him because of his fricking reforms every neighboring nation is just doing us as much as they can! Most importantly I hate him for Andjian, for families who were left without brothers, fathers, sisters and mothers. The day he will be kicked off the presidential palace, stay in front of the court I will be the happiest person in the world.
90% of votes???? Are you kidding me? Do you really believe in that stuff? Even 50% of people dont go to elections as everybody knows that he will win no matter what.
He keeps the country in peace??? Yeah, by killing, trialing and frightening people!!! By boiling people in his prisons.
He is building stuff??? Yeah, for your tax money!!! For the money that he gets from farmers, whose kids dont know what does the butter or cheese look like!!!
Pinkie
02-15-2006, 07:12 PM
I don't even want to call him president :evil:
Frida
02-15-2006, 07:20 PM
Share Same thought...except hate ...he is not worth even that...
You are right, he is not worth it. But it is a response to a question-- do you like it? So I just wanted directly answer the question. I have never read this thread properly, only once answered to some Romanian guy. But today reading it, I just got so surprised because so many people seem actually like him and justify him, so i just got really mad, maybe i am wrong but it was a automatic reaction :?
Maybe Presidency should be abolished, just like Monarchy.
Maybe there should be strong elected Parliament which appoints Cabinet and can sack Cabinet if it does not do the job.
Parliament writes the laws, Cabinet runs government ministries and agencies and Supreme Court defends Constitution.
Delf.
Ohhhh how sweet as usual...Can not make up your mind brather?I do not know if u are just trying to be politikly correct or...?It is not the presidency that is a problem...we need to educate the people to stand up for their rights...
and then we will have another President for 14 years.
Delf.
That is the law: Presidency is for 7 years and up to 2 terms.
No matter who you put as President, he will sit there for at least 7 years, most probably 14 years. That is what in the Constitution.
This has to change.
If you make only one term and only 4 years, it will greatly help, but President still will appoint all judges, many members of parliament, all regional governors and district hokims. It is impossible to remove President from power by legal means under current Constitution.
You need a better Constitution, the one that divides power, makes branches of government independent of each other and also provides a system of checks and balances.
Delf.
This president treats constitution as if it was his personal diary ...Making very convenient changes as he pleases... When I think of president I think of Guaranteerer and defender of constitution...You are right 14 years presidency not acceptable, especially if you are doing a job like that...I have never heard Oliy Majlis even Questioning his decisions let alone oppose it... This tells enough about his presidency...
President is not a Guaranteerer of Constitution. In most countries he is the first person to breach it. Strong Court and Strong Parliament independent of earch other are a guarantee for Constitution.
Actually, Islam Karimov's decisions have been questioned in the Parliament and there were Parliamentaries (Deputati) who were opposed to his lust for power. It all happened in 1990-1992.
There was even an attempt by certain members of Parliament to remove Karimov from power by legal means. Those people long gone from political scene of Uzbekistan.
You don't want to remove one tyrant in order to install another.
There should be a system that allows no tyrants.
Delf.
"I hate him" its not enough! There is nothing that i could like him.
In Tashkent the situation is not so bad...actually it looks like that...but what about another cities??? I cant watch our TV programs because everything is unreal there. We are progressing!!! But noone is speaking about nature protaction...about our resource...
Our president should be happy because our country is not so rich with minerals resource...inache bi nami davno zainteresovalas amerika.
No Uzbekistan nikomu nenujen...tolko nam kotorie tam rodilis t.k. eto nasha rodina.
He did actually nothing for our people and for our progressing!
"I hate him" its not enough! There is nothing that i could like him.
In Tashkent the situation is not so bad...actually it looks like that...but what about another cities??? I cant watch our TV programs because everything is unreal there. We are progressing!!! But noone is speaking about nature protaction...about our resource...
Our president should be happy because our country is not so rich with minerals resource...inache bi nami davno zainteresovalas amerika.
No Uzbekistan nikomu nenujen...tolko nam kotorie tam rodilis t.k. eto nasha rodina.
He did actually nothing for our people and for our progressing! Mdaa pravilno..On sdelal vsyo vozmojnoye chto bi lyudi hodili na
ulitsah s orujiyem i strelyali kuda i kogda ugodno..kak
Afganistane..Onsdela vsyo chtobi kajdiy den kak hoteli shturmovali
Parlamnet i pravitelstovo kak Kirgistane, i sdelal vsyo chto bi Ti
boyalsa za svoyu jizn kak v Sektore Gaza i Chechne.
Vi pravi..On nichego ne sdelal.
prosto Ya rad chto rodilsa v
Uzbeksitane a ne v Chechne ili Afganistane..
FAYLASUF
02-16-2006, 09:48 AM
I am deeply thinking about it???????????????:rolleyes:
Mdaa pravilno..On sdelal vsyo vozmojnoye chto bi lyudi hodili na
ulitsah s orujiyem i strelyali kuda i kogda ugodno..kak
Afganistane..Onsdela vsyo chtobi kajdiy den kak hoteli shturmovali
Parlamnet i pravitelstovo kak Kirgistane, i sdelal vsyo chto bi Ti
boyalsa za svoyu jizn kak v Sektore Gaza i Chechne.
Vi pravi..On nichego ne sdelal.
prosto Ya rad chto rodilsa v
Uzbeksitane a ne v Chechne ili Afganistane..
Da zato net svobodi slova...
a kogda ludi protestuyut to riskuyut leshitsya jizni.
Da mi nazivaemsya demokratichekoi respublikoi...net v nashe respubliki nikakogo demokratizma... narod podchinyaetsya parlamentu. I ne mi ego vibiraem. Tak kak niikakoi informaziei ne obladaem.
Afganistan i Chechnya sovsem drugoi sluchai!!! Mi vishli iz sovetskogo soyuza...sravni s kazahstanom? Da konechno tam est toje svoi negativi...odnako ludi imeyut vozmojnost na lichni bisnes i vihod za granizu. U nas je inostranie posolstva ne stabilni.
infolife
02-16-2006, 10:11 AM
also I hate the whole referendum article that allows any prezident to prolong his term. It states in case of rapid changes blah blah blah, but any developing state is in a state of change. Uzbekistan is developing country therefore the referendum can be applied by any prezident till it reaches the state of stability and good living standards.
Ironically, if everything is in a state of change, why not change the prezident as well. Instead of giving way for them doing what they want, it would help
on: I hate him, his evil look and his hyppocratical sayings like
"Halqim deb yurtim deb yonib kuyib yashamoq kerak" :lol:
i ws Back in Uzb recently went to the bank one day, full of his saying hanging on the walls and his pictures everywhere.crazy:? had to go to hospital next year, again the whole speech of his about "ona+bolalar yili, ayollar yili" were on the walls and his big picture at the reception desk.
If only ppl knew He is The Same prezident who ordered to kill women and children as the one who declared the Year of Women and the year of Children and Mothers:? He is the best hyppocrate who makes brilliant speech:lol:
That is the law: Presidency is for 7 years and up to 2 terms.
No matter who you put as President, he will sit there for at least 7 years, most probably 14 years. That is what in the Constitution.
This has to change.
If you make only one term and only 4 years, it will greatly help, but President still will appoint all judges, many members of parliament, all regional governors and district hokims. It is impossible to remove President from power by legal means under current Constitution.
You need a better Constitution, the one that divides power, makes branches of government independent of each other and also provides a system of checks and balances.
Delf.
Da zato net svobodi slova...
a kogda ludi protestuyut to riskuyut leshitsya jizni.
Da mi nazivaemsya demokratichekoi respublikoi...net v nashe respubliki nikakogo demokratizma... narod podchinyaetsya parlamentu. I ne mi ego vibiraem. Tak kak niikakoi informaziei ne obladaem.
Afganistan i Chechnya sovsem drugoi sluchai!!! Mi vishli iz sovetskogo soyuza...sravni s kazahstanom? Da konechno tam est toje svoi negativi...odnako ludi imeyut vozmojnost na lichni bisnes i vihod za granizu. U nas je inostranie posolstva ne stabilni.
A kak Ti okazalas zagranitsey? shla mimo i vishla na chujuyu teritroiyu?
a pochemu skoro ves London budet uzbekskim, raz poslostva ne
stabilni?
A kak Ti okazalas zagranitsey? shla mimo i vishla na chujuyu teritroiyu?
a pochemu skoro ves London budet uzbekskim, raz poslostva ne
stabilni?
Ne znayu kak seichas a angliskoe posolstvo 2 nedeli nazad zakrito bilo i mnogim prihodilos v kazahstan ehat ili v rossiyu letet chto bi vizu poluchit.
A okazalas ya za granizoi toje ne legko...ne tak uj i legko viehat...dumayu eto vse znayut... pravila v posolstvah stanovyatsya vse stroje.
Ne znayu kak seichas a angliskoi posolstvo zakrito bilo i mnogum prihodilos v kazahstan ehat ili v rossiyu letet chto bi vizu poluchit.
A okazalas ya za granizoi toje ne legko...ne tak uj i legko viehat...dumayu eto vse znayut... pravila v posolstvah stanovyatsya vse stroje.
Nu vot Ya toje..no pravila est pravila..stroje ili polegche..ved eto ne shopping s'hodit
Zakrito znachit problemi..a problemi vezde i povsyudu.vot nedavno
LDPRovsi stoyali ocheredyami u Angliyskogo posoltva na
Krasnopresnenskoy, esli ne oshibayud, protestuya protiv,
obnraujennih shpionov
Nu vot Ya toje..no pravila est pravila..stroje ili polegche..ved eto ne shopping s'hodit
Zakrito znachit problemi..a problemi vezde i povsyudu.vot nedavno
LDPRovsi stoyali ocheredyami u Angliyskogo posoltva na
Krasnopresnenskoy, esli ne oshibayud, protestuya protiv,
obnraujennih shpionov
ok...no to chto u nas ne tak kak v Afganistane eto slavo Bogu!!! Odnako on sovershil slishkom mnogo oshibok!!!
Nu vot Ya toje..no pravila est pravila..stroje ili polegche..ved eto ne shopping s'hodit
Zakrito znachit problemi..a problemi vezde i povsyudu.vot nedavno
LDPRovsi stoyali ocheredyami u Angliyskogo posoltva na
Krasnopresnenskoy, esli ne oshibayud, protestuya protiv,
obnraujennih shpionov
Odnako prichini po kotorim u nas posolstva zakriti kak naprimer angliskoe-- sovsem drugie.
ok...no to chto u nas ne tak kak v Afganistane eto slavo Bogu!!! Odnako on sovershil slishkom mnogo oshibok!!! Aon, Ya ego ne zashishayu i ne sobirayus, no zdes shli plyusi minusi.
i slishkom mnogo nabralos minusov, a priroda ne lyubit dizbalans;)
Take Care
XXL
Odnako prichini po kotorim u nas posolstva zakriti kak naprimer angliskoe-- sovsem drugie.
razve Ya govoril o prichinah zakritiya?;)
RockerDen
02-16-2006, 11:01 AM
me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aon, Ya ego ne zashishayu i ne sobirayus, no zdes shli plyusi minusi.
i slishkom mnogo nabralos minusov, a priroda ne lyubit dizbalans;)
Take Care
XXL
Toje verno!
Shirin_Qiz
02-19-2006, 01:59 AM
Hudoni ozi kechirsin I.A.K korgan narsani hali biza kormaganmiz , masalan Ka'ba Tullohni ichiga kirib supirib chiqanla bu narsa Saudiya Arabistoni podishosi va presidentimizaga pasib qilgan .Hozirgi payitda hayot odamladan ...
Endi yaxshimi yomonmi hamma ozi qilgan gunoxlari uchin u dunyoda javob beradi .
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