View Full Version : Graduation, stay or go home?
AL-Midwest
10-30-2005, 10:55 AM
This week I had a number of interviews with companies in the field of retailing and finance...there is a good chance I may get a job I am pursuing for, however don't take me wrong, I always wanted go back home and work there. One thing stopping me is my past experience in Uzbekistan, I remember I wanted to do my internership in Uzbekistan taking a semseter off, unfortunatelly my attemptsand were turned down or were not responded. In other case number of companies that has branches in Tashkent called me within 48 hours. My case not only one, number of my freinds had a similar cases, at the end they had to leave country to work for those companies despite their great desire give what they learned to the community.
My question is what we are going to do? stay or go home? you stay here in the US you still be considered as a foreighner you go home officials treat you like a stranger or threat
It's a shame to see that foreighn nation looks at you as an asset while you do not feel the same in your own community
Vector
10-30-2005, 11:21 AM
stay there, work, go home for holiday, see your family, recharge yourself, and come back to work again, that's it.
Nothing to think. Keep in mind, nobody in Uzbekistan waiting for your degree or experience, you are on your own, better to stay, gain some knowledge and experience...
Peace
Stay and gain work experience. It is invaluable. If you don't like it here after a year or two, you can quit and go home. Also, you will make a few throusand $$ that will be helpful back home.
And after you waste a year or two back home and decide to come back you will have some friends and experience to be able to get a job here :)
Delf.
AL-Midwest
10-30-2005, 11:30 AM
Stay and gain work experience. It is invaluable. If you don't like it here after a year or two, you can quit and go home. Also, you will make a few throusand $$ that will be helpful back home.
And after you waste a year or two back home and decide to come back you will have some friends and experience to be able to get a job here :)
Delf.
tahnks for advice but i would like to hear some opposite views compared to your guys
AL-Midwest
10-30-2005, 11:42 AM
The reason I opened this thread was a rhetorical reason
I look at my freinds fro Kazakhstan and about 90% of them are going home and when there so many brigh minds are united you see the result in example of our neighbor ....may be we should take an example from them
Amiri Turkiston
10-30-2005, 11:51 AM
no opposite views bro., because you'll back to here, you'll have some big problems related with job and moneyyou'll work like a donkey and get money like a pigso, forget ya dream to back to here...stay there, work hard, show yaselves, and don't foeg tto send some money from ya income to your family
Martingale
10-30-2005, 12:05 PM
Damn...all my post is gone...Im not gonna write it up again.
In two words: Try to find a job which can sponsor you(it's not easy:) , you must prove that you are worth $3500 and other expenses connected with H1 visa). if you can't, go back to Uzb and try to find a job at a foreign company. Good Luck!
when are you graduating by the way? what are your sources: career center, networking, vault.com, monster etc.?
UzLand
10-30-2005, 03:25 PM
The reason I opened this thread was a rhetorical reason
I look at my freinds fro Kazakhstan and about 90% of them are going home and when there so many brigh minds are united you see the result in example of our neighbor ....may be we should take an example from them
Your example of Kazakhstan sucks. We are not Kazakhstan. Those days are history now. Kazakhs have a reason to go back. You don't and I agree there are no opposing views on this unless you want to go back and lose all your skills.
My advice - stay wherever is best for you and do whatever is best for you. You can always help Uzbekistan from overseas and be more effective from there than from inside the country where your field of activity and possibilities will sharply be reduced.
Mogul
10-30-2005, 04:09 PM
Al,
It is obvious that you won't find any opposing views on that issue. Not long time ago I had the similar feelings about whether it is better to return back home or stay. At some point I was ready to go back to Uzbekistan because of my patriotic feelings. But then I went against my high principle and stayed here. And I am not regretful.
Uzland is right you will do more harm for yourself if you return back rather than stay here. You have one year of OPT so use it, have more time to think about your future. Consider other opportunities such as getting masters degree.
UzLand
10-31-2005, 05:45 AM
One more thing. One should go back only if he or she is wanted there. No one is wanted home today. No one cares if you are there or not, if you have skills or not. Those who have no skills and pretend to have skills do not want you to come back home, because you are a competition to them and they will do their best to destroy you.
asena
10-31-2005, 05:52 AM
work a few years there,get experience and a be bit more mature. and then go home.
A person is never satisfied thousand miles away from his home.
Gareeb
10-31-2005, 08:53 AM
Stay there, make some money, gain experience then you will hopefully decide what to do next. Do not fool yourself with patriotic ideas. :)
Samimiy
10-31-2005, 09:27 AM
Stay, but try to get a job you'll actually like. It seems like you can choose from a number of jobs. Pick one you would enjoy and make the most of it :)
Since I have some work experience in international organizations in Uzbekistan, let me share with you the following about working in Uzbekistan:
1. Everybody shows up at work at 10:30am
2. Everybody leaves for a lunch at 11:45 and return at 1:30pm
3. 90% of time you would find yourself doing nothing and/or find yourself working on really meaningless stuff.
4. Everybody leaves work at 4:45pm
5. Had your boss went to the same University, he'd have graduated on the bottom 10% of your class... yeah, they are that dumb. And I am talking about international organizations, such as the World Bank.
Well, when you work in Tashkent, you party 24/7. This is the best part of being there... and the food, girls etc. So, it is all about where you want to be in 5 years. Still partying in Tashkent with couple of bucks in your pocket and driving Nexia or a VP making $200K driving Lexus and leaving somewhere in Midwest? You should answer that question. :)
Disclaimer: Some exceptions may apply.
Uzbekxonim
10-31-2005, 11:36 AM
I'm here to get an experience, to see how western model of living works. BUT I will go home, to Uzbekistan, whenever I feel that my experience, skills are required there, when I will feel that there's a possibility for me to make positive changes for the sake of my people and my country. untill that moment i'll be abroad with the purpose of learning and getting an experience to realise it in Uzbekistan.
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 12:24 PM
Since I have some work experience in international organizations in Uzbekistan, let me share with you the following about working in Uzbekistan:
1. Everybody shows up at work at 10:30am
2. Everybody leaves for a lunch at 11:45 and return at 1:30pm
3. 90% of time you would find yourself doing nothing and/or find yourself working on really meaningless stuff.
4. Everybody leaves work at 4:45pm
5. Had your boss went to the same University, he'd have graduated on the bottom 10% of your class... yeah, they are that dumb. And I am talking about international organizations, such as the World Bank.
Well, when you work in Tashkent, you party 24/7. This is the best part of being there... and the food, girls etc. So, it is all about where you want to be in 5 years. Still partying in Tashkent with couple of bucks in your pocket and driving Nexia or a VP making $200K driving Lexus and leaving somewhere in Midwest? You should answer that question. :)
Disclaimer: Some exceptions may apply.
LOL WASP thanks for logical evaluation...
what about you WASP? any plans in terms of career?
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 12:26 PM
I'm here to get an experience, to see how western model of living works. BUT I will go home, to Uzbekistan, whenever I feel that my experience, skills are required there, when I will feel that there's a possibility for me to make positive changes for the sake of my people and my country. untill that moment i'll be abroad with the purpose of learning and getting an experience to realise it in Uzbekistan.
I have a question, do you think it would be comparativelly easy for you to work individually and accomplish your long standing, country loving goals or work in a group of individuals who share similar principles you have?
thanks
UzLand
10-31-2005, 01:01 PM
Stay there, make some money, gain experience then you will hopefully decide what to do next. Do not fool yourself with patriotic ideas. :)
There is nothing wrong with patriotic ideas. It is all about knowing exactly what they are and how to utilize them.
UzLand
10-31-2005, 01:02 PM
Ну, пожалуйста, останься, не уезжай, просим, просим, просим!!!:lol:
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 02:00 PM
Ну, пожалуйста, останься, не уезжай, просим, просим, просим!!!:lol:
Uzland ne floodi.....:D
LOL WASP thanks for logical evaluation...
what about you WASP? any plans in terms of career?
You are welcome :). Well, I have always been more attracted to Europe... and that's where I would like to work. But I would not mind working in the US for first couple of years just to get some experience... and then move on to UK or EU.
There is nothing wrong with patriotic ideas. It is all about knowing exactly what they are and how to utilize them.
Do you have a job? :)
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 02:37 PM
You are welcome :). Well, I have always been more attracted to Europe... and that's where I would like to work. But I would not mind working in the US for first couple of years just to get some experience... and then move on to UK or EU.
WASP did y read the recent news, our goverment came out with a new legislation on export-import relationships.
Martingale
10-31-2005, 02:38 PM
Ну, пожалуйста, останься, не уезжай, просим, просим, просим!!!:lol:
:lool:
:lool:
seriously I wish some company told me that. Darn it!
Martingale
10-31-2005, 02:40 PM
WASP did y read the recent news, our goverment came out with a new legislation on export-import relationships.
so what? does it have some impact on your career plans?;)
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 02:42 PM
so what? does it have some impact on your career plans?;)
No it doesn't actually this read was a flood but this type of news lean me more towards staying here in the US rather than be interacted with all that crap there
Martingale
10-31-2005, 02:50 PM
No it doesn't actually this read was a flood but this type of news lean me more towards staying here in the US rather than be interacted with all that crap there
Exactly man. You will see more downsides when you actually start working in Uzb. But I can hear you man.;) Don't give up. What kind of job are you looking for? Anyways, good luck to you!
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 03:02 PM
Exactly man. You will see more downsides when you actually start working in Uzb. But I can hear you man.;) Don't give up. What kind of job are you looking for? Anyways, good luck to you!
I applied to number of them like May Company, Elli LIly, Fargo Financial, Enterprise, we will see
WASP did y read the recent news, our goverment came out with a new legislation on export-import relationships.
Actually, no.. where did you read it?
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 03:14 PM
Actually, no.. where did you read it?
fergana.ru.....there is a chart of products on which they levy a new tariffs
Martingale
10-31-2005, 03:16 PM
I applied to number of them like May Company, Elli LIly, Fargo Financial, Enterprise, we will see
From the list I think I know 2 or 3 of them, Wells Fargo(financial services industry) Is Enterprise-rent-A car or just Enterprise? Eli Lilly has recently given info session, might be public health. Wells Fargo is a really good option. If you are finance major you should definitely consider that. How is job market in Midwest? Cause I know here in the South, it's hard to get even an interview with those companies.
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 03:26 PM
From the list I think I know 2 or 3 of them, Wells Fargo(financial services industry) Is Enterprise-rent-A car or just Enterprise? Eli Lilly has recently given info session, might be public health. Wells Fargo is a really good option. If you are finance major you should definitely consider that. How is job market in Midwest? Cause I know here in the South, it's hard to get even an interview with those companies.
Job Market is quite decent if you know where to search, plus the last career expo helped us a lot ...I had a inteview almost all f them exept Enterprise rent , that should be next week...from my list I am focusing on Fargo financial, Ely Lily and May company (it merged with macy's and famous bar, going to switch their headquarter to Saint Louis)
Martingale
10-31-2005, 03:35 PM
Job Market is quite decent if you know where to search, plus the last career expo helped us a lot ...I had a inteview almost all f them exept Enterprise rent , that should be next week...from my list I am focusing on Fargo financial, Ely Lily and May company (it merged with macy's and famous bar, going to switch their headquarter to Saint Louis)
Al_M,
good for you man! You actually start networking like this: going to career expos, applying online(but very little chances) etc. Did you also try to contact alumni of your school? That might be another option too. If your school has online career search options like monster or vault, get subscribed and send your resume to all of those companies. Actually this is what Im doing now, but not for the full time. Im looking for a summer internship. So far, no progress.:lol: But hope sth will eventually come out of this. Ehh...I hear companies recruit from top schools like crazy.:(
fergana.ru.....there is a chart of products on which they levy a new tariffs
Thanks. It's silly to run an import-substitution policy on goods that are not produced in our country, such as artillery. The government is the sole demander for such goods, so it's basically imposing extra cost on itself. It does not make sense to me... on the other hand, since I do international trading; there are a lot of incentives for export-oriented producers. Our government subsidizes some export-oriented product lines. If you want to be in this business, it's not that bad place to make money, as long as you figure out how to minimize your costs by avoiding "additional costs" to filthy government officials.
Job Market is quite decent if you know where to search, plus the last career expo helped us a lot ...I had a inteview almost all f them exept Enterprise rent , that should be next week...from my list I am focusing on Fargo financial, Ely Lily and May company (it merged with macy's and famous bar, going to switch their headquarter to Saint Louis)
Does Enterprise sponsor internationals?
Martingale
10-31-2005, 03:40 PM
Thanks. It's silly to run an import-substitution policy on goods that are not produced in our country, such as artillery. The government is the sole demander for such goods, so it's basically imposing extra cost on itself. It does not make sense to me... on the other hand, since I do international trading; there are a lot of incentives for export-oriented producers. Our government subsidizes some export-oriented product lines. If you want to be in this business, it's not that bad place to make money, as long as you figure out how to minimize your costs by avoiding "additional costs" to filthy government officials.
WASP, what kind of international trading are you talking about? Can I join your company?:P What are the requirements? Resume and cover letter are on the way!:lol:
WASP, what kind of international trading are you talking about? Can I join your company?:P What are the requirements? Resume and cover letter are on the way!:lol:
I hire only from HYPS. :D. I own a small trading company that specializes in textile business. I used to do business mostly in Russian market and some in Eastern EU. Now, however, starting 2005 the U.S. is eliminating the quota and tariff on the products that my company specializes in. Obviously, being a natural opportunistic I am shifting my gears toward the US market. My company officially exists as an LLC in NY since last year, but the business is just picking up... sorry to say, there's not much profit to share :).
Martingale
10-31-2005, 03:53 PM
I hire only from HYPS. :D. I own a small trading company that specializes in textile business. I used to do business mostly in Russian market and some in Eastern EU. Now, however, starting 2005 the U.S. is eliminating the quota and tariff on the products that my company specializes in. Obviously, being a natural opportunistic I am shifting my gears toward the US market. My company officially exists as an LLC in NY since last year, but the business is just picking up... sorry to say, there's not much profit to share :).
Ehh..man you just killed my expectations.:D Is HYPS for Harvard Yale Princeton and Stanford. Nice picks.;)
infolife
10-31-2005, 04:10 PM
I don't go home, can't find the answers to the question WHY?
To waste all the experience? Hech kimi ko'zi uchib turmayaptiku:lol:
Vapshe chet elda o'kib borib Uzb ishlayotganla 1-2 umidchiladan boshka yuk hisobi
o'sini puliga o'kiganla hech kachon bormiydi,o'kishga sarflagan pulini 1000 yilda ham topomiydi Uzbda, shundo ekan nima bor borib.
UzLand
10-31-2005, 06:45 PM
Do you have a job? :)
Do I sound like a jobless?:cool:
Do I sound like a jobless?:cool:
Yeap. Very much so :). Nah.. what do you do?
Brigadir
10-31-2005, 10:10 PM
Qishlog'imga ketaman..
Mollarga o't oladigan odam qolmadi uyda... 2kun qarashib yana qaytaman..
O'zbekiston kelajagiga qarasam quyuq tuman tushgani uchun ko'rolnayapman...
AL-Midwest
10-31-2005, 10:32 PM
Al Midwest,
what school do you go to? By the way, Enterprise was saying that it is not going to sponsor work visas for internationals.
Guest to this world.
I thought the same but I was told they actually do sponsor for visa...number of our international graduates got jobs there
I go to Truman State University, not elite first devision college, but well known in the area as Oxford of Midwest, kick ass in Accounting and Finance...recommend it ..very challenging environment
Uzbekistan2010
10-31-2005, 10:39 PM
Qishlog'imga ketaman..
Mollarga o't oladigan odam qolmadi uyda... 2kun qarashib yana qaytaman..
O'zbekiston kelajagiga qarasam quyuq tuman tushgani uchun ko'rolnayapman...
:? eh.. besh olti yildan keyin vaziyat qanday bolarkin a..? yildan yilga chokib borayapmizku..:rolleyes:
Brigadir
11-01-2005, 12:26 AM
:? eh.. besh olti yildan keyin vaziyat qanday bolarkin a..? yildan yilga chokib borayapmizku..:rolleyes:
Sizga ham faqat qalin tuman ko'rinvotganga o'hshaydi...
Alloh ohirini bersin... Lekin biza yahshi joylarda maza qilib yursagu birodarlarimiz faqat eydigan ovqatining g'amini qilib kun o'tqizsa bu bizlarga tatimiydi.. Inshoolloh mana hammamiz ozmi ko'pmi eng zamonaviy bilimlarga ega bo'vommiz.. Kimdir Iqtisodni, kimdir siyosatni degandeik.. Vaqti kelib mana shu forumdagilar biror bir partiyaga asos solishsa yahshi bo'lishardi... Partiya ham ko'payib ketdi dersizlar.. Lekin 3-4yildan keyin mana shu narsaga talab bo'lishi aniq...
Uzbekxonim
11-01-2005, 01:47 AM
I have a question, do you think it would be comparativelly easy for you to work individually and accomplish your long standing, country loving goals or work in a group of individuals who share similar principles you have?
thanks
The positive changes can be done only by a group of people in appropriate conditions. I would contribute my part as all the other members of the group would do.
lion1981
11-01-2005, 07:19 AM
qolidan kelganlar qaytsin ozbekistonga... chet elda turib olib ,, qolsammi ketsammi deb otirgan bilan hech narsa bolamydi.. hohlasangiz keling ,, hohlasangiz qoling...
chokib borayotgan bolsa.. qolingizdan kelsa qutqaring ,, yoki chцkishini tashqaridan turib,, tomosha qiling...
if u feel storng enough to make changes and ready for challenges and some sacrifices... WELCOME HOME
Uzbekistan2010
11-01-2005, 07:53 AM
qolidan kelganlar qaytsin ozbekistonga... chet elda turib olib ,, qolsammi ketsammi deb otirgan bilan hech narsa bolamydi.. hohlasangiz keling ,, hohlasangiz qoling...
chokib borayotgan bolsa.. qolingizdan kelsa qutqaring ,, yoki chцkishini tashqaridan turib,, tomosha qiling...
if u feel storng enough to make changes and ready for challenges and some sacrifices... WELCOME HOME
siz qayerdasiz South Korea yoki Japan :lol:
I thought the same but I was told they actually do sponsor for visa...number of our international graduates got jobs there
I go to Truman State University, not elite first devision college, but well known in the area as Oxford of Midwest, kick ass in Accounting and Finance...recommend it ..very challenging environment
you should come back, don't agree with the guy saying that you have nothing to do with International Organizations, at least you have some burocracy kind os tons of paperworks with reports. Though it doesn't mean you learn nothing. The only thing after coming back, you should really not to compare what you do in your office in UZ with your previous background. Well, I can tell you more, and I want you to come back. You know I have an idea to share with you--do you know anyone who would help me to lobby here something like 'to return the young Uzbek intelligence back home'. May be when you come back you will assist me, or I will assist you. :)
Regards,
Niso
AL-Midwest
11-01-2005, 11:48 AM
you should come back, don't agree with the guy saying that you have nothing to do with International Organizations, at least you have some burocracy kind os tons of paperworks with reports. Though it doesn't mean you learn nothing. The only thing after coming back, you should really not to compare what you do in your office in UZ with your previous background. Well, I can tell you more, and I want you to come back. You know I have an idea to share with you--do you know anyone who would help me to lobby here something like 'to return the young Uzbek intelligence back home'. May be when you come back you will assist me, or I will assist you. :)
Regards,
Niso
Niso
what y do in your life, if it's not a secret of course-)
Martingale
11-01-2005, 12:38 PM
I thought the same but I was told they actually do sponsor for visa...number of our international graduates got jobs there
I go to Truman State University, not elite first devision college, but well known in the area as Oxford of Midwest, kick ass in Accounting and Finance...recommend it ..very challenging environment
Ok, here is a tip that I got from former GA students. Never tell the company that you need sponsorship for visa or you are international student until you are actually offered a job. That's the rule of thumb. 99.99% companies DO give sponsorships, but they are very reluctant to do so unless you prove that you are worth it. Once you are offered ajob(technically it means you have passed interview successfully and company sends a notice), they have no right to decline you based on your emloyment status. Neither they have the right to ask you during the interview if you are eligible to work in US. Some companies do but in a pretty educated manner(esp. Big 4, cuz they offer sponsorship themselves). Hope it helps.;)
Martingale
11-01-2005, 12:48 PM
Do I sound like a jobless?:cool:
LOL. But I guess WASP meant if you have a job for him?:lol:
LOL. But I guess WASP meant if you have a job for him?:lol:
Nope.. that's NOT what I meant. :)
Martingale
11-01-2005, 01:03 PM
Nope.. that's NOT what I meant. :)
Easy, man. That was a joke.;)
AL-Midwest
11-02-2005, 03:53 PM
Laziz thanks for the tip
Martingale
11-02-2005, 04:21 PM
Laziz thanks for the tip
You are welcome. ;)
so how is job hunting going?
AL-Midwest
11-02-2005, 04:37 PM
You are welcome. ;)
so how is job hunting going?
I am waiting . should take one more week, plus got two more interviews for the next week
Martingale
11-02-2005, 04:41 PM
I am waiting . should take one more week, plus got two more interviews for the next week
Well, good luck then!;)
Niso
what y do in your life, if it's not a secret of course-)
Al
I am a student who loves Uzbekistan being in a distance and who has a great plans within Uzbekistan. Lemme know if you got more questions
coolio
11-03-2005, 04:21 AM
Man, you don't have to go back, earn your master's, continue excelling in your field. I'll be straight up with you, you better not choose to make career in Uzbekistan. As somebody said, nobody is waiting for your degree in here.
US itself is a foreign nation. If you think somebody is looking at you with different eyes, don't give a crap. Those eyes came from someplaces as well.
It's up to you, anyway
peace out,
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