Nationalism

[gafuri]

Nationalism is love for your country .
All the nationalistic countries are the best.
Nationalism is what makes a country.
Now discuss: To you What is nationalism good or bad?

[Torcoman]

if you have not any nationalitic feelings
you are nothing

(as we see in the present day)

[Shokirbek]

Nationalism is love for your country .
All the nationalistic countries are the best.
Nationalism is what makes a country.
Now discuss: To you What is nationalism good or bad?

Avval o'zingiz javob berib qo'yibsizku. :(

Millatchilikning boshqa salbiy ma'nolari ham bor. Masalan, eng yomon ma'nolaridan biri - uni dindan ustun qo'yish, bu degani - agar biror o'zbek dindan chiqib, boshqa dinga o'tsa, yoki dinsiz bo'lib, Islomni inkor etsa, millatchilik qoidasiga ko'ra, o'sha odam sizga birodar bo'ladi, bu esa, butun Islom ulamolarining qilgan ijmoiga zid, buni barcha ulamolar harom deyishgan, ba'zilar bunday do'st tutganlarni kufrga nisbat ham berganlar.

[asena]

Nationalism is love for your country .
All the nationalistic countries are the best.
Nationalism is what makes a country.
Now discuss: To you What is nationalism good or bad?

why should it be bad?

[gafuri]

why should it be bad?I think that nationalism is good, because countries such as France and all the good ones are nationalists.
So you have to love your country.

[asena]

So you have to love your country.

I think the same,but you can't force anyone to love his country.
I don't think that an Amercan guy should love his country.We have great past and culture so we MUST love our countries but it is not valid for all nations.

[gafuri]

I think the same,but you can't force anyone to love his country.
I don't think that an Amercan guy should love his country.We have great past and culture so we MUST love our countries but it is not valid for all nations.Uzbekistan should be a extreme high on nationalism.like France.

[Alex]

Nationalism is love for your country .
All the nationalistic countries are the best.
Nationalism is what makes a country.
Now discuss: To you What is nationalism good or bad? Love for your country is not nationalism. It is patriotism. All the nationalistic contry is sux. There is no developed nationalistic contry in the World.

[Uzbekxonim]

Love for your country is not nationalism, it is called patriotism. Nationalism was the basis of the Fashist idea. so please don't mess up two different things.

[Gareeb]

I am neither patriot nor nationalist.I am a muslim, first, second and last.;) Thats enough for me.

[asena]

Love for your country is not nationalism, it is called patriotism. Nationalism was the basis of the Fashist idea. so please don't mess up two different things.
Fasishm was based on Racism,there is a great distance between nationalism and racism
Also racism varies at every nation's racism processes.For example while Nazism's racism was just aganist Jewish community,Nigerian racism is aganist to all other nations.

[referee]

Love for your country is not nationalism, it is called patriotism. Nationalism was the basis of the Fashist idea. so please don't mess up two different things.
Patriotism has roots in nationalism, and without it patriotism does not make sense.

Nationalism has two faces - the pretty and the ugly. While people like the usefulness of nationalism they forget that it can also turn ugly, just like in Europe and elsewhere (nazism, racism etc). In any case, nationalism is an imagined (not imaginary) concept that projects the imagined reality of imagined community with the imagined shared past, present and future.

As any imagined identities, nationalism usually comes and goes as a tide of the sea, and the point is to be able to distinguish between bad and good tides so that not to get drowned in the wrong tide....

So for us, Uzbeks, it is important to appreciate our common identity but to be also aware of the more real identity that comes from our religion that binds us closely with other distant yet close nations. Nationalism is only good when it unites us and reaches us out to other peoples, so if it divides, obscures, and distances us from our religion and other brotherly nations then it's only worth a paper it's written on....

[Uzbekxonim]

Patriotism has roots in nationalism, and without it patriotism does not make sense.

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Patriotism is a feeling of love and devotion to one's own homeland (patria, the land of one's fathers). This article surveys the concept of patriotism from the viewpoints of history, politics, ethics, and biology.http://www.answers.com/patriotism

nationalism, political or social philosophy in which the welfare of the nation-state as an entity is considered paramount. Nationalism is basically a collective state of mind or consciousness in which people believe their primary duty and loyalty is to the nation-state. Often nationalism implies national superiority and glorifies various national virtues. Thus love of nation may be overemphasized; concern with national self-interest to the exclusion of the rights of other nations may lead to international conflict.
http://www.answers.com/nationalism

Love for your country is not nationalism, it is called patriotism.

please read carefully the above-mentioned
regards.
p.s. nice to see you back

[referee]

Patriotism is a feeling of love and devotion to one's own homeland (patria, the land of one's fathers). This article surveys the concept of patriotism from the viewpoints of history, politics, ethics, and biology.http://www.answers.com/patriotism

We need to bear in mind that one source on the net does not have a monopoly of truth but a just a view. Here is the counter-argument I found by simple search in the wikipedia:

'Patriotism' is widely used as a synonym for nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism), and nationalist as a near-synonym for patriot. Strictly speaking, nationalism is an ideology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology) advocating the formation of a separate nation-state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state) for each nation. Where 'nationalist' is is pejoratively intended, 'patriotism' is used as a defensive euphemism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

What I said before was that patriotism without the concept of a nation and nationalism does not make sense as it feeds from there. You can't be a patriot of a makhalla or a viloyat...

P.S. glad to be back:)

[Torcoman]

give me an example to non-nationalist GREAT country...
so patriotism and nationalism must be the main things to think for all citizens, if your not , i may give u Afghanistan example, its not so far to see i think

[Oriyon_farr]

give me an example to non-nationalist GREAT country...


United States of America

[Shokirbek]

United States of America

Heh, anekdotlar bo'limiga qo'ysangiz juda mos keladi bu javob. :D

[PainKiller]

There is nothing good about nationalists, and nationalism. Thanks God I painlessly have got over the time when I would judge people by their nationality.
Love to ur people, homeland is not called nationalism.

[krokobazuka]

I think gafuri a.k.a. cool_gafur a.k.a. abubakarbashir a.k.a. petkaface! is better than Chris Rock... I can read his posts 24x7

[uki]

Torcoman[/b]]
give me an example to non-nationalist GREAT country...


United States of America

australia .

[gafuri]

I think gafuri a.k.a. cool_gafur a.k.a. abubakarbashir a.k.a. petkaface! is better than Chris Rock... I can read his posts 24x7I'm also from the movie shaytonat" get out of my office'

[Torcoman]

United States of America

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:D:D:Dhahaha:lol::lol::lol:



the great example, how much time did it take for to think

[gafuri]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:D:D:Dhahaha:lol::lol::lol:



the great example, how much time did it take for to thinkI don't like america.

[Kaptan-i Derya]

United States of America hmm where the local people think only USA can rescue the world, 60% of the people living there cant even show where usa is on atlas, while his leader (bush't) says "God told me to invade Iraq" and during Iraq war "May God bless Usa" wich this remembers me the "fьhrer" of Germany with his famoust words "God mit uns" -means "God with us".

Anything rings out there in youre upper room?

[Martingale]

I'm also from the movie shaytonat" get out of my office'

your office? is forum your office? :lol:

[SHOHRUHM1]

To be extreme nationalist is to be the enemy of the rest of the world!!!

Nazis. Nationlist Socialist (the best)

[Kitaro]

Nationalism is bad, patriotism is good.
Because of nationalism there so many peple suffering. So let's be patriots not nationalists.

[gafuri]

I think gafuri a.k.a. cool_gafur a.k.a. abubakarbashir a.k.a. petkaface! is better than Chris Rock... I can read his posts 24x7Oh be quiet you evil gargoyle. ugly nationalist.

[Jennifer]

I'm not from Uzbekistan, so I'm not sure if my views are welcome, but for what it's worth, here is my opinion.

Nationalism is basically a collective state of mind or consciousness in which people believe their primary duty and loyalty is to the nation-state. Often nationalism implies national superiority and glorifies various national virtues. Thus love of nation may be overemphasized; concern with national self-interest to the exclusion of the rights of other nations may lead to international conflict.

That sums up the meaning of the word very clearly. Having national pride in one's country and heritage is admirable but is not actually nationalism, which is different in that the nation comes first -- above religion, about your family, and above yourself. In other words, everything is sacrificed for the nation. In my humble opinion, that's a very dangerous concept, especially if put into practice.

In a nationalist state, if the nation says abandon or destroy your family for the sake of the nation -- you do it, because the nation comes first.

If the nation says abandon or renounce your religion for the sake of the nation -- you do it, because the nation comes first.

Several people have mentioned nazi Germany, and that's an excellent example. People did have to renounce their religions, families, and all self-interests. And, of course, the results were disastrous.

[gafuri]

I'm not from Uzbekistan, so I'm not sure if my views are welcome, but for what it's worth, here is my opinion.



That sums up the meaning of the word very clearly. Having national pride in one's country and heritage is admirable but is not actually nationalism, which is different in that the nation comes first -- above religion, about your family, and above yourself. In other words, everything is sacrificed for the nation. In my humble opinion, that's a very dangerous concept, especially if put into practice.

In a nationalist state, if the nation says abandon or destroy your family for the sake of the nation -- you do it, because the nation comes first.

If the nation says abandon or renounce your religion for the sake of the nation -- you do it, because the nation comes first.

Several people have mentioned nazi Germany, and that's an excellent example. People did have to renounce their religions, families, and all self-interests. And, of course, the results were disastrous.Nationalism racism is an ugly thing.

[Delf]

Nationalism is bad, patriotism is good.
Because of nationalism there so many peple suffering. So let's be patriots not nationalists.

"PATRIOT: One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors."



Delf.

[Guardian]

Nationalism is good sometimes, only.
I can support the nationalistic agenda of occupied Palestinians, in the same time I condemn the nationalistic ideas of French guy, De la Pen.

In general, I think nationalism is bad for modern world, we have to unite under the "human being" label, only. Then, we can develop and discover the space. Not under some abstract labels like Uzbek, Turkish, Tatar, English or Aussie and fighting against ourselves continuously.

I am the citizen of the World! :)

[Torcoman]

I am the citizen of the World! :)
youre right in this part, we are all the sons/doughters of Eve and Adam....its ok..., but a huge amount of people cant think about that in earth(they have not any knowledge about human beings, or any religions..etc)...as we see it in Bush example....., so we should be very carefull, we should always carry pieces of Nationalism and Patriotism(sometimes Racism if it needs) in everytime in everywhere, it will always work

respect

Tanğri Turk'u Korusun, Yьceltsin

[Guardian]

... any religions..etc)...as we see it in Bush example.....

You gotta be kidding at me. Bush is a hardcore evangelist Protestant in fact, he a very very very religious, he is fighting for what he believes and he is the one who can be named "Nationalist" and "Patriot" precisely.

[PainKiller]

George W. Bush is among the most openly religious presidents in U.S. history. A daily Bible reader, he often talks about how Jesus changed his heart. He has spoken, publicly and privately, of hearing God's call to run for the presidency and of praying for God's help since he came into office.
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