Kozim Tulaganov

[tarafdor]

Toshkent viloyati hokimi Kozim Tulaganov ishdan olindi. Bu klanlar urushimi yoki..hukumatning yana bir hatosimi?

[Legend]

Hukumat hato qilmaydi, bu siyosat ;)Toshkent viloyati hokimi Kozim Tulaganov ishdan olindi. Bu klanlar urushimi yoki..hukumatning yana bir hatosimi?

[8517SK]

Vaqti tugagan ekan, manimcha klan konflik emas. If you guys want I'll tell you something really interesting about this through PM, I can't post it.

[Marg'iloniy]

New governor of Tashkent region appointed today (http://www.uzreport.com/e/index.cfm?sec=1&subsec=1&n_ID=18786)

President decrees to appoint new Tashkent regional governor (http://www.uzreport.com/e/index.cfm?sec=1&subsec=1&n_ID=18795)

But why?

[8517SK]

because there has to be a constant change between officials, otherwise they will get used to geting bribes. Newly appointed ones are afraid to take bribes. Don't you think this is correct?

[Gareeb]

because there has to be a constant change between officials, otherwise they will get used to geting bribes. Newly appointed ones are afraid to take bribes. Don't you think this is correct?
yeah, it makes sense..

[Uzbekxonim]

because there has to be a constant change between officials, otherwise they will get used to geting bribes. Newly appointed ones are afraid to take bribes. Don't you think this is correct?

i do not think that your theory is correct, 'cos if a person takes a bribe he'll do it anywhere.

[8517SK]

the person must adjust to to his/her enviroment to start cheating. When you play cards with your friends, you might hide a card under your sleeve, but if you play it with a stranger, you will be carefull. I'm thinking about writing a letter to the white house, to urge them to act on some uzbek events. To'laganov had been in his post for a long time. Some people theorize that he had become so popular, that he might have taken over power in uzbekistan, maybe that's why he was taken off from tashkent city to the villoyat. Wouldn't you be afraid to loose your high spot?

[8517SK]

yeah, it makes sense..

Finally you agreed with me gareeb, it's a miracle. If you want I can tell you something you might be interested in through PM. It's about this subject.

[referee]

because there has to be a constant change between officials, otherwise they will get used to geting bribes. Newly appointed ones are afraid to take bribes. Don't you think this is correct?

not necessarily. A civil servant who pays a bribe to take up a position and who knows it's going to be short-termed will also have no incentive to behave correctly to remain on the post - he will try to maximise the profit for this position to make up for his expenditure (by taking bribes and sharing them with his senior) and also build up contacts which will help him to get to a new position. So, he'll only concentrate on his narrow interests rather than on his job...

There must be a clear, transparent and accountable criteria for getting/losing a high ranking position so that a person can be held accountable properly for his mistakes or that he can appeal any unjst decision made on his behalf - this way a civil servant would know if he performs in his job he'll keep it. Otherwise, a personal decision-making by IAK on such issues creates a system of favouritism, corruption and perverse goal-setting (like agressive bribe-taking and shameless a..-licking)

[8517SK]

not necessarily. A civil servant who pays a bribe to take up a position and who knows it's going to be short-termed will also have no incentive to behave correctly to remain on the post - he will try to maximise the profit for this position to make up for his expenditure (by taking bribes and sharing them with his senior) and also build up contacts which will help him to get to a new position. So, he'll only concentrate on his narrow interests rather than on his job...

There must be a clear, transparent and accountable criteria for getting/losing a high ranking position so that a person can be held accountable properly for his mistakes or that he can appeal any unjst decision made on his behalf - this way a civil servant would know if he performs in his job he'll keep it. Otherwise, a personal decision-making by IAK on such issues creates a system of favouritism, corruption and perverse goal-setting (like agressive bribe-taking and shameless a..-licking)

Most of the time, the people who fire/hire the employee know his background, ir in uzbekistans case, the bribe their way into their jobs. It is impossible to be held accountable for a high ranked official, because they usually have friends in high places. That is why we should imprison by state law the people who take bribes or do favors that are associated to the government to friends, so that they will stop. Am I making sense right now? I haven't slept for 30 hours.

[Uzbekxonim]

Most of the time, the people who fire/hire the employee know his background, ir in uzbekistans case, the bribe their way into their jobs. It is impossible to be held accountable for a high ranked official, because they usually have friends in high places. That is why we should imprison by state law the people who take bribes or do favors that are associated to the government to friends, so that they will stop. Am I making sense right now? I haven't slept for 30 hours.

actually law prescribes the imprisonment of the ones who's bribe-taking and bribe-giving, the thing which complicates this process is that it is very difficult to proove the bribe.

ps. i would reccomend you to get at least several hours of sleep, don't make your organism suffer:)

[Delf]

because there has to be a constant change between officials, otherwise they will get used to geting bribes. Newly appointed ones are afraid to take bribes. Don't you think this is correct?
Oh, I see....

That's why Uzbekistan is one the least corrupt places in the world!! (143rd out of 159 countries) (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=24912)


Delf.

[NYyankNY]

his nice porson i know that kozim tulaganov becouse
Farhod tulaganov wos my class mate in NYU :)

[Delf]

his nice porson i know that kozim tulaganov...

They are all nice, every high official you meet, and I met personally a lot of them.
It is just what they are doing to our country is horrible.


Delf.

[NYyankNY]

i never been in uzbekistan .i don't care of his besniss
only thing i know that his nice person thats oll i know .
if he wonts to make uzbekistan nice he can't do it bacouse he hove to lesten or yurt bushimiz ;)
They are all nice, every high official you meet, and I met personally a lot of them.
It is just what they are doing to our country is horrible.


Delf.

[PiLcH]

Яхши одам еди Ракхматлик. Манимча енди Приздент болсала кере Козим аКа тогриде ундан яхши номзод ёкде 2 палаталик сенат болиб Хамма хукукни озини яолига олиб приздент яилсала киптиладе Додамис:)

[HustleR]

Ha endi, uje naverno nadoelo bit hokimom, ili je ponyal chto nado uje udirat ottudogo, vse taki uchilsya i znaet i ponimaet chelovek chto k chemu i chto nado delat...?!

[8517SK]

They are all nice, every high official you meet, and I met personally a lot of them.
It is just what they are doing to our country is horrible.


Delf.

How do you know it's to'laganovs? you may have met them, but you don't know them, so unless you know them, I wouldn't talk if I were you. I know that familly since my childhood, so everything you gossip is incorrect. Many politicians were corrupt, but he was one of the few honest ones.

[Delf]

Many politicians were corrupt, but he was one of the few honest ones.

You've got to be kidding me!
Have you seen his brother's palace? Do you know how much kickback was required for hotel restorations before EBRD meeting in Tashkent in 2003?

Every good politician is a great actor.


Delf.

[INSOMNIA]

I'm sorry but I'm having hard time understanding you. Did you just say Tulaganov is one honest politician among all those corrupt officials?:D
nice to meet you. I'm Joan of Arc:)

How do you know it's to'laganovs? you may have met them, but you don't know them, so unless you know them, I wouldn't talk if I were you. I know that familly since my childhood, so everything you gossip is incorrect. Many politicians were corrupt, but he was one of the few honest ones.

[8517SK]

You've got to be kidding me!
Have you seen his brother's palace? Do you know how much kickback was required for hotel restorations before EBRD meeting in Tashkent in 2003?

Every good politician is a great actor.


Delf.

Their house was 2 houses away from mine, are you talking about the one with the gate and the guards? well, firstlym, they don't have to bribe for that, they can have influential friends in the construction business. For example my house is pretty nice, but I'm not rich, it just depends on how influential you are. Now I'm sure your gonna ask about his SUV car right?

[forex]

do you know him? has he taken bribe from you personally? if not then why do you gossip like a litle girl if you don't know it. His brother is pretty rich, cuz he's invested a lot, his son is pretty well off, and that's because of the influence. Your joan of arc? ur a woman? your a smart woman then

boy,you are one hell of a joker.

[BaRiN]

"and that's because of the influence." Influence nima degan???? i v chem ona izmeryaetsya? v $$$??? ili kak?

[INSOMNIA]

:lol: :lol: time for PM:lol:
kimni chimp devosan? og'zinga qarab gapir. Forumda gaplashna bilmasang unaqada jo'nab qol. Hotinlarga o'xshab g'ibat qilgandan ko'ra bitta ish qil lox.

[WASP]

INSOMNIA, be nice.... you both are acting like two chimps.

Anyhow, 2007 elections are coming up soon... it's just part of the cleaning up process. No need to try to complicate things around. Azimov, Tulaganov and etc.. all are the victims of ONE person's desperateness to become the next president. I ain't calling any names, those who understand our politics well will know who I am talking about.

[INSOMNIA]

:lol: :lol:
WASP, I am trying hard not to act like a chimp :D and I know I am acting as one:D

INSOMNIA, be nice.... you both are acting like two chimps.

Anyhow, 2007 elections are coming up soon... it's just part of the cleaning up process. No need to try to complicate things around. Azimov, Tulaganov and etc.. all are the victims of ONE person's desperateness to become the president. I ain't calling any names, those who understand our politics well will know who I am talking about.

[Delf]

Guys, please chimp each other in PM and respect yourself here.

Thanks,
Delf.

[Martingale]

Guys, please chimp each other in PM and respect yourself here.

Thanks,
Delf.

What is all chimping talk about?:D

WASP, stop chimping around.:lol:

[PainKiller]

Ушел вася, пришел коля. Боюсь никому кроме Тулаганова не будет не тепло не холодно.

[WASP]

- Yes, it's due to elections
- Karimov is not looking forward to being an active president after this term (note: active)
-Tulaganov has always been a strong "candidate", just like Azimov

Laziz, how about a warning? :lol:

[8517SK]

- Yes, it's due to elections
- Karimov is not looking forward to being an active president after this term (note: active)
-Tulaganov has always been a strong "candidate", just like Azimov

Laziz, how about a warning? :lol:

See, I talked to some politicians in the summer, and after the andijan events, I think he'll be trying to hold on to his reign. Maybe he thinks nobody else can be president. You're right this guy is a hardball player, but I doubt that he will try for presidency. I guess we'll see what happens.

[Zamon]

da vse oni voruyut! ok it kora it baribir it. Mix bulsa mixniyam yutishadi. Vsegda tak, kak uvol'nayut cheloveka srazu "ay ay ay, kakoi byl xoroshy chelovek, edinstvenny byl koytory ne voroval" kak govirli pro Azimova, Safaeva, ex. PM Sultanova. Vse stanovyatsa svetymi. O'zbekistonda Xokim bulsayu xalkni mulkini o'girlamasa.......:cool: :cool: Konechno Esli hochet bolshoi dom mozhno Direktoru Construction Company dat' horoshy kontrakt so sotorny Gosudarstva (i.e Narodnyh deneg) a Direktor postroet znak blagodarenie Krasivyj dom :D toest nikto ne voroval ne bral vzyatku, chelovek poluchil zakaz vot govorit spasibo. A to chto Gosudarstvo mozhet platilo dva raza bolshe i kachestvo strojki tozhe ne horoshoe bylo eto delo drugoe. O'zbekchilik, bulib turadi.

[8517SK]

da vse oni voruyut! ok it kora it baribir it. Mix bulsa mixniyam yutishadi. Vsegda tak, kak uvol'nayut cheloveka srazu "ay ay ay, kakoi byl xoroshy chelovek, edinstvenny byl koytory ne voroval" kak govirli pro Azimova, Safaeva, ex. PM Sultanova. Vse stanovyatsa svetymi. O'zbekistonda Xokim bulsayu xalkni mulkini o'girlamasa.......:cool: :cool: Konechno Esli hochet bolshoi dom mozhno Direktoru Construction Company dat' horoshy kontrakt so sotorny Gosudarstva (i.e Narodnyh deneg) a Direktor postroet znak blagodarenie Krasivyj dom :D toest nikto ne voroval ne bral vzyatku, chelovek poluchil zakaz vot govorit spasibo. A to chto Gosudarstvo mozhet platilo dva raza bolshe i kachestvo strojki tozhe ne horoshoe bylo eto delo drugoe. O'zbekchilik, bulib turadi.

Taxsir, Safayev to'g'risida gapizni chunmadim? nima dediz?

[8517SK]

da vse oni voruyut! ok it kora it baribir it. Mix bulsa mixniyam yutishadi. Vsegda tak, kak uvol'nayut cheloveka srazu "ay ay ay, kakoi byl xoroshy chelovek, edinstvenny byl koytory ne voroval" kak govirli pro Azimova, Safaeva, ex. PM Sultanova. Vse stanovyatsa svetymi. O'zbekistonda Xokim bulsayu xalkni mulkini o'girlamasa.......:cool: :cool: Konechno Esli hochet bolshoi dom mozhno Direktoru Construction Company dat' horoshy kontrakt so sotorny Gosudarstva (i.e Narodnyh deneg) a Direktor postroet znak blagodarenie Krasivyj dom :D toest nikto ne voroval ne bral vzyatku, chelovek poluchil zakaz vot govorit spasibo. A to chto Gosudarstvo mozhet platilo dva raza bolshe i kachestvo strojki tozhe ne horoshoe bylo eto delo drugoe. O'zbekchilik, bulib turadi.

It is true, there is always some rumor going on in our country, maybe that keeps it interesting. I've had many fights because of rumors like these. But we all know that the better man/woman always wins. would you guys support To'laganov if he ran for presidency?

[8517SK]

Guys, please chimp each other in PM and respect yourself here.

Thanks,
Delf.

sorry delf, you know how conversation goes. And sorry for changing the topic, by the way how do I post my new posts here?

[PainKiller]

Taxsir, Safayev to'g'risida gapizni chunmadim? nima dediz?Ettiki, Safarov ketganda ham etishgan "way, yahshi odam edi" deb.
Siz uchun mahsus tarjima:)

[8517SK]

Ettiki, Safarov ketganda ham etishgan "way, yahshi odam edi" deb.
Siz uchun mahsus tarjima:)

hehe, nega unaqa deb o'ylisiz? qiziqvotudim holos

[tarafdor]

Have you seen Uzbek movie" Qonli Olishuv", actually at the beginning it shows that things happened in 1988, as if everything is fine and wonderful with this regime, though it should be 2005....and regarding Tulaganov, how much was his salary,could he afford to sustain all his property by this amount of money?
All saints passed away just after Prophet Muhammad (saw)...others seems to pretend..:(

[Alchemist]

boy,you are one hell of a joker.

naaah he's not a joker, he's just one hell of a stupid mafaka:lol:

[shayton]

eto eshyo odin shag k budushem vybyram presidenta vse nenujnye lyudi uhodyat s postov.ostayutsya te kotorye budut podchenyatsya prezidentu posle ego otstavki.nu i konechno ego dochki

[Donbegi]

da vse oni voruyut! ok it kora it baribir it...Vsegda tak... Xokim bulsayu xalkni mulkini o'girlamasa...O'zbekchilik, bulib turadi.

Zamon, ne znayu kak ty, no ya Kozim aka dovol'no xorosho znayu.
Ne xorosho ne znaya kogo-to oblivat' yego, prosti menya, musorom.
Koroche govorya, ty ochchen' sil'no zabluzhdayesh'sya, yesli i v pravdu tak dumayesh.

p.s. Toshkentni Toshkent qilgan aslida Kozim Nosirovich To'laganov, agar bilsang.

Tha.

[nemets]

Туляганов- это узбекский(хотя он уйгур) Лужков.Сколько строительных частных фирм на него зубы точат, одному богу известно. Хоть и воровал, но город Ташкент благодаря ему принял настояший облик. Правда дорого встало это казне государства. Что говорить есть ли обычный голубой гофририванный пластиковый профиль они в Израиле по цене 40$ за квадратный метр оформляли(реальная стоимость меньше 5 баксов). За эти деньги можно было весь Ташкент золотом покрыть.