Islomning yolg'onlari - Lies in Islam

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If you find yourself doubting islam and considering leaving it, you are not alone. Just too many things in this religion that don't make sense. Check out these links :
http://www.secularislam.org/skepticism.htm
http://www.secularislam.org/research/origins.htm
http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm

Personally, I strongly doubt the validity of claims made in/by the Koran. Our people would be better off without it. They should free their mind of the oppression brought by arabic conquests some centuries ago.
Here some examples:
Numerical Contradictions: There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.
How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?
· Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state
· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.
You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not?
Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning
· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
Creation of the Heavens and the Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.
· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth
Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!
Sun-set and Sun-rise
The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.
A Resting Place for the Sun?
· Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
· Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.
· Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Allah is indeed a great scientist. Where are the Sun and the moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other ? Are the Sun and moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (through observations with the naked eye) the Sun and moon travelling from east to west seemingly in the same part of the sky and on the same path. Yet they did not collide and continued to cause day and night, etc. Allah could hardly imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by the Sun’s rotation. The Sun is stationary for Earth, because the Earth is stuck in the Sun’s Gravity, just as we are stuck in theEarth’ gravity. Allah never says anywhere in the whole Quran THAT THE EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel Earth’s rotation.
A Resting Place for the Sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS (?)
· Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does the Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle could say better. Then the Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the Sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.
Can anybody tell me what it is? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such a fairy-tale today.
Why Allah created Stars:
· Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
· Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…
· Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.
Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)
· Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;
· Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?
Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.
Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?
· Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….
Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

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Numerical Contradictions: There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.
How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?
· Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state
· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.
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San haqiqattan ham ajobiy bola ekansan. Bir sani tovuqqa uhshab topib, hadeb o'gzinga tiqma,qarab ol qani shu post takror kelmayaptimi? Opang Terezaga uhshab heavens nechi kunda created degan savol bilan Olloh (swt) matematikada adashgan deyapsan, astag'firulloh. Alhamdullilah, sizlarga uhshab 1500 ta turli hil Qur'ondan silka qilmayman, shunisiga ham Ollohga hamdu sanolar bo'lsin.

OK, yana qaytaraman.....san latta ko'zingni ochib bitta qara qani qayerda sonlardan keyin vaqtni ulchovini ko'rasan, yani KEYIN, SO'NG, OLDIN, OHIRIDA, yani agarda 2 kun u tog'ni yaratdi, undan KEYIN 4 kun bog'ni yaratdi, va ohirida 2 kun eshmatni yaratdi deganda, demak bu yerda kurinib turibdiki, bu ish uchun 8 kun ketdi. Lekin bu yerda hech qanaqa sequence of time yuq, yani bazi ishlarning nechi kunda bajarilganligi aytilayapti bu yerda, masalan yerni 2 kunda yaratdi. lekin hammasi bo'lib(yer,koinot, va hokazo) 6 kun ketgan.
San ham cherkovga 1 soatga borasan yakshanba kuni, lekin shu bir soat ichida 10 minut boshida ashula aytasan, KEYIN 30 minut galstuklik odamni vazini tinglaysan,SO'NG 20 minut yana ashula aytasan. Demak 1 soatda ibodatni bitirasan. Tushunarlimi....yo'q desang yana tushuntirishga harakat qilaman.

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Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning
· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

Ok bunisiga ham javob beramiz...bilaman sanga bunga arzimaysan lekin Olloh rizoligida buni yozishim kerak toki sandan keyinlarda shubha bo'lmasin, omin. Qur'on bu Injildagidek ertak yoki statistika kitobi emas, kim qancha,qanaqa...hamma narsa ochiqdan ochiq ko'rsatilmaydi, masalan,

32-5. Oн pacпpeдeляeт Cвoe пoвeлeниe c нeбa нa зeмлю, пoтoм oнo вocxoдит к Heмy в нeкий дeнь, пpoтяжeниe кoтopoгo - тыcячa лeт, кaк вы cчитaeтe.
22-47. Oни тopoпят тeбя c нaкaзaниeм, нo Aллax нe измeнит Cвoeгo oбeщaния, и, пoиcтинe, дeнь y твoeгo Гocпoдa, кaк тыcячa лeт из тex, чтo вы cчитaeтe!
70-4. Bocxoдят aнгeлы и дyx к Heмy в дeнь, вeличинa кoтopoгo пятьдecят тыcяч лeт.

Ollohning berilgan kunini qanchaga teng ekanligini isboti yuqdir, 1000 yoki 50,000 yillik kabi ifodalar kinoya tarzida kelgan, yani muddatning naqadar uzunglini ko'rsatadi..yani Yuhanno'da 6 chi bob, Iso-hayot noni deganda hech kim uni nonga aylanib qolinishini nazarda tutmaydi, yani bu yerda metafora ishlatilgan..

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Creation of the Heavens and the Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.
· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth
Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

2-29. Oн - тoт, кoтopый coтвopил вaм вce, чтo нa зeмлe, пoтoм oбpaтилcя к нeбy и уcтpoил eгo из ceми нeбec. Oн o вcякoй вeщи знaющ!
79-27. Вы ли труднее для создания или небо? Он его построил,
28. воздвиг свод его и устроил,
29. омрачил ночь его и вывел зарю,
30. и землю после этого распростер,

Семь небес or Seven Firmaments

Слово /сама’/, как антоним /ард/ 'земля', является производным от корня, который толкуется словарями как 'быть высоким, возвышенным'. Это общее значение, которое может иметь множество различных граней, одну из которых мы уже рассматривали ранее.Но что на самом деле означает здесь выражение 'семь небес'? Мусульманские мыслители и толкователи Корана предлагали различные трактовки этого выражения, но наиболее верной представляется идея о том, что 'семь небес' подразумевают 'семь небесных сфер'.
Действительно, из аятов Корана становится понятным, что все небесные тела: планеты и известные нам звезды - расположены на первом из небес. Но помимо этого, существует еще шесть других небес, которые мы не можем видеть даже с помощью новейших научных приборов. Таким образом, в целом, над нами располагаются семь небесных сфер, которые и составляют 'семь небес'.
В качестве свидетельства вышесказанного можно привести слова из Корана, где говорится: «Мы украсили нижнее небо светильниками…» (Фуссилат (Разъясненные) - 41:12).
Можно привести и другой аят, где сказано: «Мы украсили ближайшее небо украшениями из звезд...» (Ас-саффат (Стоящие в ряды) - 37:6).
Приведенные цитаты из Священного Корана недвусмысленно указывают на то, что все светила, которые мы видим на небе и которые в обиходе принято называть звездами, находятся на первом небе. Выше него расположены еще шесть небес, о которых у нас до сих пор нет никаких достоверных сведений.
Мы говорим о существовании еще неизвестных нам других шести небес, которых наука будущего, быть может, сумеет достичь. Ведь знание человека несовершенно. Чем дальше развивается наука, тем больше она раскрывает новых удивительных фактов о сотворенной Вселенной. Например, астрономическая наука в своем развитии достигла такого этапа, когда мощности наземных телескопов уже недостаточно и вместо них используются спутники, оснащенные мощными радиотелескопами и другими специальными приборами. самое современное оборудование, используемое крупнейшими астрономическими обсерваториями, а также спутниковые системы наблюдения позволили сегодня достичь расстояния в миллиард световых лет, где в районе Млечного пути обнаружилось бессчетное количество других солнечных систем. Сами астрономы признаются, что это далеко не конец, а только начало пути, ведущего в глубь Вселенной, и что с развитием нынешних средств наблюдения и с изобретением новых, более мощных телескопов открытие новых таких систем будет продолжаться. И нет ни малейшего сомнения в том, что с развитием астрономии и других научных дисциплин будут открываться новые галактики, новые далекие небесные сферы.

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Sun-set and Sun-rise
The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.

Latta, bu oyatning mohiyatiga yetmay va tavsirni o'qimay turib nimaga copy paste qilib hamma joyga jar solasan. Bir oz usha masihiy ustozingdan Tavrotdagi Dunyoning yaratilishida qanchalik tavsirni bilishlik muhim ekanglini so'rasang bulmaydimi, bu yerda mayda chuyda bilan shugullangandan ko'ra;

18-86. A кoгдa oн дoшeл дo зaкaтa coлнцa, тo yвидeл, чтo oнo зaкaтывaeтcя в иcтoчник злoвoнный, и нaшeл oкoлo нeгo людeй. Mы cкaзaли: "O Зy-л-кapнaйн, либo ты нaкaжeшь, либo ycтpoишь для ниx милocть".

Tavsirlarga ko'ra Zulqarnayn, g'arbda Atlantik okeaniga yohut Qoradengizga boradi. U yerda dengiz ufqida quyosh botishini tomosha qiladi. faqatgina, hashamtli koinot ichida bu dengiz unga suv tomhisidek tuyuldi. Quyosh, tuman bilan qoplangan dengiz ufqida huddi botqoqli bir suvga botayotgandek tuyulgandi unga. sohilda uchratgan qavim esa kofir halq edi.

18-90. A кoгдa дoшeл oн дo вocxoдa coлнцa, тo нaшeл, чтo oнo вocxoдит нaд людьми, для кoтopыx Mы нe cдeлaли oт нeгo никaкoй зaвecы.

Latta, san o'zi maktabda bitiruvchi bulganmisan?...bitiruv kechasida hamma "quyoshni kutib olish uchun" ketadi....lekin prikin bor yugi 3 soat yurgandan so'ng quyoshni chiqishini hamma ko'radi ...lekin san uylagandek yerni bir tomonidan ikkinchi tomoniga bormaydi hech kim, demak bu ibora, yani qayerda quyoshni chiqishini ko'rsang dema san uchun quyoshni chiqish yeri usha yer...tushundginnmi?..san qaysi kallang bilan bu yerda yer kvadrat yoki tekisligini tushunding..ozi ingliz tilini bilasanmi?

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Why Allah created Stars:
· Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
· Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…
· Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

37-6. Mы вeдь yкpacили нeбo ближaйшee yкpaшeниeм звeзд
7. и для oxpaны oт вcякoгo шaйтaнa мятeжнoгo.
8. Oни нe пpиcлyшивaютcя к вepxoвнoмy coвeтy и пopaжaютcя co вcex cтopoн
9. для oтoгнaния, и для ниx - нaкaзaниe мyчитeльнoe.
10. Кpoмe тex, ктo ypвeт cxвaткy, и пpecлeдyeт eгo пopaжaющий cвeтoч.

Sama-ad dunya means the lowest heaven, nearest to the earth. It is said to be the seat of the exalted assembly of angels, as pointed out in verse 8.
Goodness is always protected by the all good against evil.
Prior to the advent of the Holy Prophet, the jinn and devils had access to the outskirts of heaven, and by assiduous eavesdropping secured some of the secrets of the upper world, which they communicated to soothsayers upon the earth. After the advent of the Holy Prophet they were driven from the heavens, and whenever they dared to approach, flaming bolts were hurled at them, appearing to mankind like falling stars. After the advent of the Holy Prophet the doors of even the lowest regions were closed to the devils and evil spirits.

So there's nothing to indicate about missiles or rockets as it's in your mind, just you need to expand your philosophical thoughts....got it?

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Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)
· Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;
· Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?
Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

Johil, bu savolga yetib kelganim uchun Ollohga hamdu sanolar bo'lsin,omin.

78-:6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

modern earth scientists have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and these roots reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word "peg", since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. This knowledge just begun by using technoligies since 1960.

Does Jesus said anything similar to this...just give me facts:lol: ..so Allah swt is ALL-KNOWING, Subhanalah

[tarafdor]

Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?
· Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….
Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

Alhamdullilah ohirgi savolga ham keldik Johil,

Mother Fuc**r deganda haqiqatda ham oyingni s****n degani emas..buni mandan ham yaxshi bilasan..demak Olloh sanga o'z ilmini mana deganda ochib bermaydi, uni uchun iymonni kuchaytirish kerak..

31-34. Пoиcтинe, y Aллaxa вeдeниe o чace; Oн низвoдит дoждь и знaeт, чтo в yтpoбax, нo нe знaeт дyшa, чтo oнa пpиoбpeтeт зaвтpa, и нe знaeт дyшa, в кaкoй зeмлe yмpeт. Пoиcтинe, Aллax - Вeдyщий, Знaющий!

Bu yerda nafaqat bolaning qiz yoki ugil bulishligi, balki uning rizqi qancha, kim buladi, nima qiladi, qancha yashaydi haqida gap ketadi. Sani kimligingi onang bilganda edi....

Qayerda va qanday o'lib ketishignni ham yagona Olloh swt biladi.

Ob-havo masalasida sanga hech kim 100% aytmaydi ushani uchun buni PROGNOZ POGODI yoki FORECAST deyishadi, yani tahmin...yoki uje 98% bilishadi debsan...bu faqatgina tahmin ukaginam....100% emas, yani Qur'onda 98-97% degan gap yo'q, hammasi 100%, shu bilan farq qiladi...endi tushungandursan.:lol:

[chicagoan]

Tarafdor og'a,

erinmay shu johilga so'zma-so'z tushuntirganingizga qoyilman.
Alloh hidoyat bersa shu sabab - ajoymas....

habarlashib turing,

hurmat ila,

mr

Alhamdullilah ohirgi savolga ham keldik Johil,

Mother Fuc**r deganda haqiqatda ham oyingni s****n degani emas..buni mandan ham yaxshi bilasan..demak Olloh sanga o'z ilmini mana deganda ochib bermaydi, uni uchun iymonni kuchaytirish kerak..

31-34. Пoиcтинe, y Aллaxa вeдeниe o чace; Oн низвoдит дoждь и знaeт, чтo в yтpoбax, нo нe знaeт дyшa, чтo oнa пpиoбpeтeт зaвтpa, и нe знaeт дyшa, в кaкoй зeмлe yмpeт. Пoиcтинe, Aллax - Вeдyщий, Знaющий!

Bu yerda nafaqat bolaning qiz yoki ugil bulishligi, balki uning rizqi qancha, kim buladi, nima qiladi, qancha yashaydi haqida gap ketadi. Sani kimligingi onang bilganda edi....

Qayerda va qanday o'lib ketishignni ham yagona Olloh swt biladi.

Ob-havo masalasida sanga hech kim 100% aytmaydi ushani uchun buni PROGNOZ POGODI yoki FORECAST deyishadi, yani tahmin...yoki uje 98% bilishadi debsan...bu faqatgina tahmin ukaginam....100% emas, yani Qur'onda 98-97% degan gap yo'q, hammasi 100%, shu bilan farq qiladi...endi tushungandursan.:lol:

[daejeon]

menimcha bu boshqa threadlada tortishganladan u erda keltirilgan isbotlaga javop topa olmasdan boshqa nik bilan kirip yozgan bulani. uzi doim shunaqa qilishadiku Islomga qarshi hamma qulidan kelgan choralarini kurishadi.

[Uzbekistan2010]

Alhamdullilah ohirgi savolga ham keldik Johil,

Mother Fuc**r deganda haqiqatda ham oyingni s****n degani emas..buni mandan ham yaxshi bilasan..demak Olloh sanga o'z ilmini mana deganda ochib bermaydi, uni uchun iymonni kuchaytirish kerak..

31-34. Пoиcтинe, y Aллaxa вeдeниe o чace; Oн низвoдит дoждь и знaeт, чтo в yтpoбax, нo нe знaeт дyшa, чтo oнa пpиoбpeтeт зaвтpa, и нe знaeт дyшa, в кaкoй зeмлe yмpeт. Пoиcтинe, Aллax - Вeдyщий, Знaющий!

Bu yerda nafaqat bolaning qiz yoki ugil bulishligi, balki uning rizqi qancha, kim buladi, nima qiladi, qancha yashaydi haqida gap ketadi. Sani kimligingi onang bilganda edi....

Qayerda va qanday o'lib ketishignni ham yagona Olloh swt biladi.

Ob-havo masalasida sanga hech kim 100% aytmaydi ushani uchun buni PROGNOZ POGODI yoki FORECAST deyishadi, yani tahmin...yoki uje 98% bilishadi debsan...bu faqatgina tahmin ukaginam....100% emas, yani Qur'onda 98-97% degan gap yo'q, hammasi 100%, shu bilan farq qiladi...endi tushungandursan.:lol:





Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577: (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/061.sbt.html#006.061.577)
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days of the world there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, killthem, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[infolife]

nima ashi ajoyib bolani adresini bersela borib o'ldirib kesammikina:rolleyes: :lol: bir vaqtla bir gap boriydi: o'ldirgan odam savobbi tagida qisilib o'lsa kere:lol:

Tarafdor,thanks brother,Alhamdilullah.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577: (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/061.sbt.html#006.061.577)
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days of the world there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, killthem, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Gareeb]

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577: (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/061.sbt.html#006.061.577)I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days of the world there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, killthem, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:




Kollina , what do u want to say by this.Can u be more spesific plz.?:rolleyes:

[Ulug'bek]

nima ashi ajoyib bolani adresini bersela borib o'ldirib kesammikina:rolleyes: :lol: bir vaqtla bir gap boriydi: o'ldirgan odam savobbi tagida qisilib o'lsa kere:lol:

Tarafdor,thanks brother,Alhamdilullah.

Odamni qo'rqitmang Infolife:) !

Bu oshnalarga ham qiyin, tirikchiliklari shuni orqasidan, keyingi paytda sal qiyinchilklari bo'lishi mumkin yoki yangi villa luxery mashina deganday, oylik baribir bemalolyetmaydida hammasiga. Bu postlarni chop qilib olib borishsa, ancha yaxshi biznes, amerikada , musofirchilikda yashashni o'i bo'ladimi.

Ammo itlar huraveradi karvon o'taveradi!

Yoqtirishadimi yo'qmi , ming urinishmasin, fakt shuki Islom, safdoshlari eng tez o'sayotgan dindir, tug'ilishda ham , qabul qilayotganlarda ham!
Holbuki, uning tarafdorlari, dinlarini himoya qiishga va trqatishga eng zaif bugun va kam mablag va kuch sarlaydilar va Uning dushmanalri esa eng kuchli va unga qarshi tuhmatu buhtonlarni eng ko'p va eng effiktiv yo'llarini qo'llashadi!

Shundan ham bilsangiz bo'ladi, kim haqu kim nohaq!

Shuning uchun ham, bazilar yaxshilab joylashib o'tirolmay qolishayaptida!

Esiz umr, esiz jon, esiz kelajak!

[Edith]

I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days of the world there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, killthem, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

yeah really this is the best - who is going to kill me:)?

[-JUST-]

Odamlar zulmatda...qoronlikdadir. Undan qutilish uchun esa bizning qilishimiz kerak bo'lgan narsa Islom nuri bilan qoronlikda qolganlarga yo'l ko'rsatish. Nur kelganda, qoronlik yoqoladi.

Allah ta'alo bizni odamlarni haq yo'lga chaqirishga buyurdi. Bizga buyurulgan narsani qilsak, o'z manfaatimizdan dinning manfaatini ko'proq o'ylab, Allahni rizosini maqsad qilib harakat qilsak inshallah musilmonlar safi ko'payib boraveradi. Allah ta'alo bizni bir so'zimizni, yoki harakatimizni kimningdir hidoyatiga sababchi qilsa ajab emas. Bu kofirlarning qilayotgan harakatlari, harjayotgan millionlab mablag'lari, hamma hammasi bu shaytonning usha odamlar orqali musilmonlarga qarshi qilayotgan harakati.

Shayton biladi, faqat musilmonlar haq yo'lda, shunchunam bor kuchi bilan harakat qilyapti va bunga isbot atrofimizda to'la, butun dunyo bo'ylab musilmonlarga qarshi va Islomga qarshi propaganda ketyapti, hatto munaqasi oldingi avlodlar ko'rishmagan menimcha. Kofirlar o'zlaricha, siz-u bizni o'ylab ham hayolimizga kelmaydigan fitnalarni uyushtirib, musilmonlarni yo'ldan urushga harakat qilishyapti. Lekin Allah reja qiluvchilardan eng oliysi va Allah O'zi qo'rigan bandasini hech kim uni adashtirolmaydi.

Agar butun dunyo birlashib bitta odamga ziyon etkazishmoqchi bo'lishsa ham, magar Allah ta'alo uni hohlamasa ularning qo'lidan hech narsa kelmaydi. Va aksincha, agar butun dunyo birlashib bitta odamga foyda qilishmoqchi bo'lishsa, agar Allah ta'alo buni hohlamasa unda ular hech bir foyda berolmaydilar u kishiga.

Hidoyat beruvchi Allah ta'alo. Butun qalblar kaliti Allah robbil-alaamen bilan. Etarki biz samimiyat bilan va istiqomat (davomiy ravishda) dinimizni yashasak, taqwomizni oshirsak va bashariyatning ohirati uchun payg'ambarimiz Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam qayg'urganlaridek qayg'ursak Allah bizga madad berib dushmanlarimizga qarshi oyoqlarimizni mustahkam qiladi.

Shuni unutmaylik birodarlar, bu missionerlar ham va boshqa musilmonlarga qarshi siyosiy o'yinlar qilayotgan odamlarning harakatlari bilan chalg'ib qolmaylik. Chunki bizni asl dushmanimiz va eng yomon dushmanimiz bu shayton va ichimizdagi nafs, bu ikkalasini sezish va ularga qarshi kurashish oson emas. Shu ichimizdagi ikki yashirin dushmanlarimizga qat'iy qarshilik qilsak, qolgan dushmanlar qo'rqib qolishadi va ularning hiyra nayranglari bizga o'tmaydi inshallah.

Allah o'zi rozi bo'lsin erinmasdan haligi johil odamni savoliga javob berganlariga. Amerikada bunday missionerlarga rosa ko'p duchor bo'lganman, yuzma yuz uchrashib qolib agar suhbat qilsangiz chidolmaydi birontasi ham, do'dirab qolishadi. Negaki, o'zlarining dinlari "huddi bir o'rgimchakni uyasi kabi tushinarsiz" , Islom esa go'zal va sodda din tushinishga oson. Lekin ohirida shunday hulosaga keldimki, ular tortishish uchun suhbat qilishadi, unday suhbatlardan esa Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam bizlarni qaytarganlar. Shunga sen o'z yolinga men o'z yolimga, bu sening dining, bu menim dinim deb tushintirib, yo'lga davom etib ketarveramiz.

[Gareeb]

Bir do'stim kasal bo'lib hospitalda yotganda bo'yniga xoch osvogan xristian uni da'vat qimoqchi bo'pti , kak butdo hamma shifo Jesusdan i shunga o'xshagan gaplar bilan aldamoqchi bo'pti.Tuzalib uyga kelgandan keyin ham qaysidir churchdan telfon qilishgan ekan o'rtogim bir-ikkita savol beribdi, bechoralar jawob berolmay shu bilan yo'q bo'b ketdi.Ular hammasi girt kallasi aynigan odamlar, o'zlariga o'xshagan ovsalrarni dinlariga o'tkazmoqchi bo'lishadi.Aqli joyida bo'gan odam hech qachon Islomni tashab boshqa dinga o'tmiydi.

[SHOHRUHM1]

If you find yourself doubting islam and considering leaving it, you are not alone. Just too many things in this religion that don't make sense. Check out these links :
http://www.secularislam.org/skepticism.htm
http://www.secularislam.org/research/origins.htm
http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm

Personally, I strongly doubt the validity of claims made in/by the Koran. Our people would be better off without it. They should free their mind of the oppression brought by arabic conquests some centuries ago.
Here some examples:
Numerical Contradictions: There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.
How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?
· Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state
· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.
You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not?
Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning
· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
Creation of the Heavens and the Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.
· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth
Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!
Sun-set and Sun-rise
The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.
A Resting Place for the Sun?
· Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
· Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.
· Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Allah is indeed a great scientist. Where are the Sun and the moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other ? Are the Sun and moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (through observations with the naked eye) the Sun and moon travelling from east to west seemingly in the same part of the sky and on the same path. Yet they did not collide and continued to cause day and night, etc. Allah could hardly imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by the Sun’s rotation. The Sun is stationary for Earth, because the Earth is stuck in the Sun’s Gravity, just as we are stuck in theEarth’ gravity. Allah never says anywhere in the whole Quran THAT THE EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel Earth’s rotation.
A Resting Place for the Sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS (?)
· Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does the Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle could say better. Then the Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the Sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.
Can anybody tell me what it is? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such a fairy-tale today.
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Ajoyib Bola, from your post, it is abvious that you can not analyze things independently, you need someone to infiltrate them into you to digest. You are one of those who need someone to help to make sense out of things.
We are not trying to attack your belief or the Bible we are just telling the truth about your source of Belief, it is widely known things that Bible has so many contradictions, so it is foolish to think that "their are attacking my Bible now i have to attack their Quran" No NO NO it is childish you should think at least give some time for why these people are finding so many things and why these people are not convinced with the Bible. You should try to consintrate on the Bible before you jump onto Quran which you dont know anything of yet.
Please be smart figure out those discrepancies in the Bible ponder why they are there before you think of insulting Quran. All that you put in here about Quran is complete misunderstanding (you should look at the other side of the river i.e. muslims scholars about things that u r not convinced). I would encourage you to read and do some research on Quran personally and ask help if you dont get some points but not hurry to jump on conclusions to think that there are mistakes. Quran is hard to understand and espesially when you look at it with hostile eyes.(there were athiest, christian, jewish and many other scholars who tried to find mistakes in Quran in vain, they all failed, so it is a bit rediculious that u r pushing these claims here)

RELAX MAN QURAN IS THE LIGHT, IT IS FOR YOU AND US

[ajoyib_bola]

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!

[infolife]

:lol: :lol: :lol: relax,take it easy man,did you not find answers from Tarafdor's posts.:rolleyes: i think u're the one who's close-minded
It's always unpleaseant for beleivers to read that ridiculios stuff you wrote. I can't describe that feeling, my knowledge of Islam isn't enough but I got hurt reading your stuff. It's just human nature man, of course we all got furious with what you wrote simply because you're challenging something we strongly beleive. The Quran is soooo holy for us. And if you wrote it to discuss and clear up your thoughts hope you got your answers. However,if you wrote that to mislead beleivers (as I understood that was your pupose,sorry if i'm wrong) and put doubt in them you'll never ever manage to do this in this forum.

May Allah guide you.

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!

[Ulug'bek]

You should anticipate similar type of reaction when you act in a certain incivilized way!
Don't drop bobms upon a nation, then wait from them to praise you!

As to what you called civilised discussion of yours, is that copying and pastings you did?!
Don't you have a tongue to speak and a mind to think for yourself and express it in simple words in few paragraphs?

Or the civilized discussion you meant is your being silent to the counter arguments against false claims from the sources you just copied and pasted from.

Regarding the killing of others by hundreds of thousands for just having different faith, if you really want to know about, go and read the history of Spain when it was re-occupaid by your fellow christians and see how they killed muslims and jews in barbaric way!
And if you want to know how Islam deals with members of other religions (i.e. a view of islamic civilization), specially jews and christians, go and read the history of Spain again, when muslims were ruling there and see what type freedom of religion christans and jews were enjoying there!
In fact, it was only under the muslim ruling when jews and christians with muslims lived alltogether in peace and harmony without any anology in the whole history!

Next time, use your own words, answer counter-arguments if you want to discuss in a civilized way and manner!

Last question to you: What do you want say exactly in brief! say it frankly, so we know, instead of copying and pasting from anti-islam and anti-muslim sources, which we all know and have visited them.
If you want just inform us about these sites, that people here consider as full of false, unscholarly, baseless and cheap claims/lies/statements about Islam an Muslims, be assured that we all know about them, so you may use your valuable time in some thing useful than this!

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!

[Pinkie]

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!

Logically speaking, if you go up to any person who is religious and tell them that their beliefs are completely false-what reaction do you think you are going to get? So, I think you are the one who needs to grow up and do some research (that means opening a book).

Do you consider a civilized place where girls are forcibly pushing their fingers down their throats just so they can be considered beautiful in the eyes of society? Do you call a place civilization where girls are forcibly trying to impress the man of their dreams by how they dress and how many pounds of make up they put on? Do you think a civilized world is where women are dipicted as sex objects in movies and advertisements? Do you call it civilization where teenagers are getting aimlessly drunk and having boyfriends and girlfriends?(even with all the STDs lurking about) Do you call that civilization?

[SHOHRUHM1]

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!

The same applies to whatever u believe in, whether u r athiest or christian, you r being shollow in your thouthts, You should analyze things with personal approuch not just believe in whatever people are saying baselessly.

[ajoyib_bola]

I see you are from New York, Pinkie. Remember, the very fact that you are here shows that you prefer to be in this civilized part of the world rather than remaining where you came from originally. Maybe you are here to get an education. In that case it would show that you preferred getting a more civilized education. Otherwise you’d have gone to some Madrasa. So don’t spit in the same salt-holder from which you are eating. Otherwise it would be hypocritical. Billions of people would prefer living in this civilized part of the world rather being subjected to some corrupt ideology elsewhere. Just ask anyone in other parts of the world if they would want to live here in America. One of the biggest prizes of living in a civilized world is the freedom. People here are free to do anything they want and believe in anything they want. They are not forced into believing some dogmas by people with swords in their hands. And people are responsible only before God himself. No one else is going to tell them what to do or what to believe in. Let God decide their fate in the end when the Qiyomat comes. Don’t judge them and make yourself a god.
As far as other responses, I’m still not convinced. They are nothing but biased listings and desperate attempts to prove that is something clearly a lie. I am researching and studying on my own also and know a lot more obvious contradictions than I listed in my original post. Even ibn Abbas himself said he didn’t know why some of those contradictions existed. And he was the best; had more Islamic knowledge than any of you people here. For others to make up those claims above and try to justify the contradictions rather than expressing your opinion is like saying I know better than ibn Abbas. Since I’m not receiving a civilized response, I’m not going to post my other questions here right now. To be honest I don’t even believe those imposters are real Muslims either. They call themselves a Muslim even if they don’t do one or more of the required things: pray five times a day, don’t drink vodka or wine, give their zakots, fast, do the hadj, don’t eat pork, don’t lust for women, and things like that. It is plain hypocrisy. I know for a fact this happens even in the strictest Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia where I have friends living. Besides, I don’t see any Muslims doing good will in the world like helping people in need. All they do is destroy countries and kill people for stupid reasons. On the other hand it is the Christians doing all the good work by helping nations in need, lifting people up rather than destroying, and showing the love of God not the sword. At least that’s what I see. And I’m hurt by the fact that many people who cry out in the name of Islam don’t realize the terrible deeds they are doing. What a waste of God-given precious life.

[Mubina]

I see you are from New York, Pinkie. Remember, the very fact that you are here shows that you prefer to be in this civilized part of the world rather than remaining where you came from originally. Maybe you are here to get an education. In that case it would show that you preferred getting a more civilized education. Otherwise you’d have gone to some Madrasa. So don’t spit in the same salt-holder from which you are eating. Otherwise it would be hypocritical. Billions of people would prefer living in this civilized part of the world rather being subjected to some corrupt ideology elsewhere. Just ask anyone in other parts of the world if they would want to live here in America. One of the biggest prizes of living in a civilized world is the freedom. People here are free to do anything they want and believe in anything they want. They are not forced into believing some dogmas by people with swords in their hands. And people are responsible only before God himself. No one else is going to tell them what to do or what to believe in. Let God decide their fate in the end when the Qiyomat comes. Don’t judge them and make yourself a god.
As far as other responses, I’m still not convinced. They are nothing but biased listings and desperate attempts to prove that is something clearly a lie. I am researching and studying on my own also and know a lot more obvious contradictions than I listed in my original post. Even ibn Abbas himself said he didn’t know why some of those contradictions existed. And he was the best; had more Islamic knowledge than any of you people here. For others to make up those claims above and try to justify the contradictions rather than expressing your opinion is like saying I know better than ibn Abbas. Since I’m not receiving a civilized response, I’m not going to post my other questions here right now. To be honest I don’t even believe those imposters are real Muslims either. They call themselves a Muslim even if they don’t do one or more of the required things: pray five times a day, don’t drink vodka or wine, give their zakots, fast, do the hadj, don’t eat pork, don’t lust for women, and things like that. It is plain hypocrisy. I know for a fact this happens even in the strictest Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia where I have friends living. Besides, I don’t see any Muslims doing good will in the world like helping people in need. All they do is destroy countries and kill people for stupid reasons. On the other hand it is the Christians doing all the good work by helping nations in need, lifting people up rather than destroying, and showing the love of God not the sword. At least that’s what I see. And I’m hurt by the fact that many people who cry out in the name of Islam don’t realize the terrible deeds they are doing. What a waste of God-given precious life.
you are simply ignored.

I think you don't deserve any reply to your post, as

i see, your brain is excellently washed by all that western missionary crap.

and plz, don't say that you're muslim in doubts, as you already have said enough $ that removed you from Islam. Allahu A'lam.

IMHO: your being in US does not mean you're civilized, as even US president can not be judged as civilized one

May Allah Guide Us All

[Ulug'bek]

Go and learn how to post correctly, so that people can READ, then sing your song!

Whatever you claim, make sure that you have reference and avoid childish cries!

I see you are from New York, Pinkie. Remember, the very fact that you are here shows that you prefer to be in this civilized part of the world rather than remaining where you came from originally. Maybe you are here to get an education. In that case it would show that you preferred getting a more civilized education. Otherwise you’d have gone to some Madrasa. So don’t spit in the same salt-holder from which you are eating. Otherwise it would be hypocritical. Billions of people would prefer living in this civilized part of the world rather being subjected to some corrupt ideology elsewhere. Just ask anyone in other parts of the world if they would want to live here in America. One of the biggest prizes of living in a civilized world is the freedom. People here are free to do anything they want and believe in anything they want. They are not forced into believing some dogmas by people with swords in their hands. And people are responsible only before God himself. No one else is going to tell them what to do or what to believe in. Let God decide their fate in the end when the Qiyomat comes. Don’t judge them and make yourself a god.
As far as other responses, I’m still not convinced. They are nothing but biased listings and desperate attempts to prove that is something clearly a lie. I am researching and studying on my own also and know a lot more obvious contradictions than I listed in my original post. Even ibn Abbas himself said he didn’t know why some of those contradictions existed. And he was the best; had more Islamic knowledge than any of you people here. For others to make up those claims above and try to justify the contradictions rather than expressing your opinion is like saying I know better than ibn Abbas. Since I’m not receiving a civilized response, I’m not going to post my other questions here right now. To be honest I don’t even believe those imposters are real Muslims either. They call themselves a Muslim even if they don’t do one or more of the required things: pray five times a day, don’t drink vodka or wine, give their zakots, fast, do the hadj, don’t eat pork, don’t lust for women, and things like that. It is plain hypocrisy. I know for a fact this happens even in the strictest Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia where I have friends living. Besides, I don’t see any Muslims doing good will in the world like helping people in need. All they do is destroy countries and kill people for stupid reasons. On the other hand it is the Christians doing all the good work by helping nations in need, lifting people up rather than destroying, and showing the love of God not the sword. At least that’s what I see. And I’m hurt by the fact that many people who cry out in the name of Islam don’t realize the terrible deeds they are doing. What a waste of God-given precious life.

[uzbeque]

Aksariyat ishtirokchilari musilmon bo'lgan forumga kirib islomni "Lies" deyish - bu "madaniyatlilik" mi?! quronni 2-3 oyatlarini o'qib olib, butun Islom diyni haqida da'volar qilish aqlsizlikdan boshqa narsa emas. xozirgi ahvolimizga islomning noto'g'riligi emas, islom diyni haqida bilmaganimiz, unga to'g'ri amal qilmaganimiz sababdir. bu uchun islomni ayblash badbaxtlik. hozirgi kundagi o'zini 'musilmonman" deb, aroqdan, zinodan, birovning haqqidan va boshqa harom narsalardan hazar qilmiydigan insonlar islom haqida odamlarda noto'g'ri fikr paydo bo'lishiga sabab bo'vottilar. natijada siza o'xshagan baxtsizlar ko'payib bormoqda. Islom rivojlangan paytdagi "saodat asri" haqida eshitkan bosez, o'sha paytlarda odamlar birovning haqqiga hiyonatdan, yolg'on gapirishdan va umuman olganda Allohdan qo'rqqan, natijada eng rivojlangan jamiyat paydo bo'lgan hatto zakot berishga kambag'al inson topa olmay qolishgan. hozirda buni g'ayri din olimlar ham tan oladi. siz etkandaka "ozodlik" ni esa bizga keragi yo'q, korib turibmiz qanaqa "ozod" sizlar. oilaga hiyonat, birovni aldash, giyohvandlik, fohshabozlik... mana ozodlikni natijalari, tag'in SPID ga qarshi kurashar emish bular, ohiri ayollar qolib erkaklar bir biri bilan yaqinlik qilishgacha bordiylar. tag'in americamush. insoniyat ikki dunyo saodatiga erishishi uchun eng to'g'ri yo'l islomdir. qisqasi, boshqa yozgim kemadi, gaplarimmi uval qilib nima qildim?:)

Alloh (SWT) Yosin surasida aytadiki: 8. Darhaqiqat, Biz ularning bo'yinlariga, to iyaklarigacha kishanlarni solib qo'ydik, bas, ular kekkayuvchilardir. 9. Yana ularning oldilaridan bir to'siq (parda), ortlaridan bir to'siq (parda) qilib, ularni o'rab qo'ydik. Bas ular "ko'ra" olmaslar. 10. (Ey, Muhammad,) Siz ularni ogohlantirdingizmi yoki ogohlantirmadingizmi – ularga barobardir - imon keltirmaslar.

[Abu Hurayra]

Aksariyat ishtirokchilari musilmon bo'lgan forumga kirib islomni "Lies" deyish - bu "madaniyatlilik" mi?! quronni 2-3 oyatlarini o'qib olib, butun Islom diyni haqida da'volar qilish aqlsizlikdan boshqa narsa emas. xozirgi ahvolimizga islomning noto'g'riligi emas, islom diyni haqida bilmaganimiz, unga to'g'ri amal qilmaganimiz sababdir. bu uchun islomni ayblash badbaxtlik. hozirgi kundagi o'zini 'musilmonman" deb, aroqdan, zinodan, birovning haqqidan va boshqa harom narsalardan hazar qilmiydigan insonlar islom haqida odamlarda noto'g'ri fikr paydo bo'lishiga sabab bo'vottilar. natijada siza o'xshagan baxtsizlar ko'payib bormoqda. Islom rivojlangan paytdagi "saodat asri" haqida eshitkan bosez, o'sha paytlarda odamlar birovning haqqiga hiyonatdan, yolg'on gapirishdan va umuman olganda Allohdan qo'rqqan, natijada eng rivojlangan jamiyat paydo bo'lgan hatto zakot berishga kambag'al inson topa olmay qolishgan. hozirda buni g'ayri din olimlar ham tan oladi. siz etkandaka "ozodlik" ni esa bizga keragi yo'q, korib turibmiz qanaqa "ozod" sizlar. oilaga hiyonat, birovni aldash, giyohvandlik, fohshabozlik... mana ozodlikni natijalari, tag'in SPID ga qarshi kurashar emish bular, ohiri ayollar qolib erkaklar bir biri bilan yaqinlik qilishgacha bordiylar. tag'in americamush. insoniyat ikki dunyo saodatiga erishishi uchun eng to'g'ri yo'l islomdir. qisqasi, boshqa yozgim kemadi, gaplarimmi uval qilib nima qildim?:)

Alloh (SWT) Yosin surasida aytadiki: 8. Darhaqiqat, Biz ularning bo'yinlariga, to iyaklarigacha kishanlarni solib qo'ydik, bas, ular kekkayuvchilardir. 9. Yana ularning oldilaridan bir to'siq (parda), ortlaridan bir to'siq (parda) qilib, ularni o'rab qo'ydik. Bas ular "ko'ra" olmaslar. 10. (Ey, Muhammad,) Siz ularni ogohlantirdingizmi yoki ogohlantirmadingizmi – ularga barobardir - imon keltirmaslar.

I do agree with you brother....

I see missioners trying to do their best...
Here They just want to proof their Ignorance and disrespectful behaviour to the other people from different cultural religious and other social background.

We have seen In Uzbekistan many young people (from local nationalities) like those who are know in actively posting in forum uz (copy pasting some anti-Islam or Christian Provocative materials) as if they pretend to be right Christians or whatever.
The Real Reason why they have converted to This religion was just simple Money matters (I know some personally who accepted Christian religian for cheap 200 $-cheap guys!!!)and
Promises of US Missioners to study abroad. They can endless bla bla and debate with you for the money matters.
Cheap individuals…..
Liars…


Short time ago, Brother Djigit opened a thread under the name of “Ostorojno Xristianstvo!” But after complains of some Members of forum uz Like “VAR”(respect) and mine offer to change the name of the thread(inorder not to harm the feelings of other forum members) Djigit has changed the name of topic to “Pro Xristianstvo”

I ask the author of this thread to change the topic of this thread as it is disrespectful action against Muslim parties.

Usually Missioners teach their agents to be respectful and polite. But the action done my “Ajoyib bola”(to open a thread with this name) is against their teachings?

Otherwise typing without thinking or just copy+pasting the materials (from Kuran)which themselves have not properly read neither understanding and keeping to ignore others is just proof of the not literacy.


Let us see you they will make a conclution from this suggestion.
Then we could continue the civilized talk with keeping Respect.

PS: I wanted to bring some ayats from Quran, but It does not worth to do it at the circumstance were these proofs and the beliefs of Muslims are not respected!

To all Brothers and sisters in Islam! Listen or read the taw seer of suratul “Ali Imran”(3rd sura). You will know more about why those people behave like this and more….

[al-quds muslim]

salamu alaikum va rahmatullahi va barakatuhuhu,

christianity is a one of religions that wants to find its self on hearts of others by talking about peace, and love, but in the real case, one can see that all actions against muslims today, are taken under the leadership of christianity, and its cross, is that the peace and love that christianity saying about ????

in the last moments, i heared and see some of foreigners , especially americans, comming in uzbekistan, and that to say such words about christianity, and to give false views upon islam in the uzbek society, dear muslim, be careful from your real enemy

thank u all very much,

[referee]

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.

Sorry but my impression that the posting was not looking for answers but had a position to assert. Seeking open-mindedness should also stay open-minded... Everyone has a right to choose their own path, and have a right to talk about that path too or even criticise other people's way.

But talking about your personal path to divine truth and "sharing your disbelief" with forum users by quoting the internet-sourced falsified provocation as your own is uncreative and ungenuine, and then to complain that your views have not been heard properly and point fingers at the "uncivilised" response is just hypocritical.

If one is genuinely lost and would like to share his views and hear other people's replies to his concerns, whatever they may be, he MUST first talk from the heart (rather than website evangelism) and then engage in genuine conversation....

In defence to this forum, most people are open-minded here and will try to respond to your question in an informative ways, but some friends here can be also reactive to provocative statements, which spoil genuine questions which some may want to raise...

[tarafdor]

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!

Unag'ar bachcha, haripmisan....yo o'zingni bilimli deb qoldingmi haligi mason zombi-kurslardan keyin...yoki ichinga muqaddas ruh emas boshqasi joylashdimi....shu topikda 1 chi postingda baralla hamma joyga ku***ni yirtib jar solding, kimda kim Islomdan shubhasi bulsa uni tashlasin va mana uning yolg'onlari debsan harip..endi esa jal**ga uhshab uzingni jertva qilibsan man bor yugi doubts bor edi shuni muhokama qilmoqchi edim debsan....armiyaga borganmisan, bormagan bulsang aytib quyay...usha hristian Amerika armiyasida ham bunaqa qiliging uchun nakazat qiladi, yani na koleni turasan....bu safar agarda bir narsani muhokoma qilmoqchi bulsang, ku***ni artib, uyoq buyoqqa qarab, bir oz usha masala buyicha uqib keyin kelsang buladi odamga uhshab...sizda Isoni statuyetkasi bilan tualetga kirib ch*ch*b chiqsa ham, haligi ishini qilsa ham odatiy hol..Islomda bunday emas.....oyoq angrena bulganda butun badanga utmasligi uchun kesib tashlashadi...endi tushundirgandursan harip?:lol:

[Uzbekistan2010]

Unag'ar bachcha, haripmisan....yo o'zingni bilimli deb qoldingmi haligi mason zombi-kurslardan keyin...yoki ichinga muqaddas ruh emas boshqasi joylashdimi....shu topikda 1 chi postingda baralla hamma joyga ku***ni yirtib jar solding, kimda kim Islomdan shubhasi bulsa uni tashlasin va mana uning yolg'onlari debsan harip..endi esa jal**ga uhshab uzingni jertva qilibsan man bor yugi doubts bor edi shuni muhokama qilmoqchi edim debsan....armiyaga borganmisan, bormagan bulsang aytib quyay...usha hristian Amerika armiyasida ham bunaqa qiliging uchun nakazat qiladi, yani na koleni turasan....bu safar agarda bir narsani muhokoma qilmoqchi bulsang, ku***ni artib, uyoq buyoqqa qarab, bir oz usha masala buyicha uqib keyin kelsang buladi odamga uhshab...sizda Isoni statuyetkasi bilan tualetga kirib ch*ch*b chiqsa ham, haligi ishini qilsa ham odatiy hol..Islomda bunday emas.....oyoq angrena bulganda butun badanga utmasligi uchun kesib tashlashadi...endi tushundirgandursan harip?:lol:

tarafdor birodar uzingini bosing.. atheist yoki christian bolsa uziga.... ;)
islom dini boyichi hali bilimlarimiz ancha sayoz.. birovni haqoratlash shart emas ;)

[tarafdor]

One of the biggest prizes of living in a civilized world is the freedom. People here are free to do anything they want and believe in anything they want. They are not forced into believing some dogmas by people with swords in their hands.

Harip...odamga uhshab uzingni tushunchang buyicha gapirsang chi...faqat musorni tashiysan..buni uje CNN'dan eshitmoqdan, freedom degan suzni pu**a aylantirishdi, shu suzni eshitsam badanim g'ijilab ketadi...bulmasa naqadar chiroyli suz...ertaga xotingni yoki qizingni kuzing oldida aylantirib ketadi, nervi qilma baribir birodarmiz deb...latta, Olloh sanga hayot bag'ishladi, uzing yotib uzing turasan, shuni uzi Freedom emasmi...istagan ovaqatni yeysan harom ogzing bilan, kasallar bor trubka orqali yeydi...shu freedom emasmi...kuzing bilan butun guzalliklarni kurasan,odamlar bor kura olmaydi..buni nima deysan...freedom deganda san latta nima Robinzon Kruzoni hayotini tushunasanmi?

Ertaga uyginda xotingni ishini bajaradi...nima ham deya olasan usha odamga..chunki u freedom of act degan qonunga asosan harakat qilgan..hamma narsa freedom..kim nima istasa shuni qiladi..latta kuzingni och..:lol: ...sanga 1 chi postda butun shubhalaringa javob berdim...kontr-gaping bormi endi...latta desam hafa bulma..sanga yarashadi shuncha gapdan keyin

[tarafdor]

tarafdor birodar uzingini bosing.. atheist yoki christian bolsa uziga.... ;)
islom dini boyichi hali bilimlarimiz ancha sayoz.. birovni haqoratlash shart emas ;)
Kollina...birodar gapingiz tugri..lekin hozircha ne po adresu...yana usha gapda..gangrena:lol:

[Alesser]

I don't know what's up with you people here. You are such closed minded. First of all I'm not a Christian. Maybe I should become one.
Look at you. All I did was share my disbeliefs and doubts and I get all those negative and threatining replies with no respect or whatsoever. Is that Islam all about? Killing other human beings just for not sharing what you believe in? It's just plain ridiculous. Some of you need to learn how to carry out a discussion in a civilized manner. No wonder your Islam has no respect among civilized people.
Having said that, I'm glad I don't live among people like some of you. Be progressive and don't live in the past clinging to false beleifs. Grow up!


Ajoyib bola, you are so ignorent man. You are just waisting your life surfing on the internet, and looking at anti-islamic sites. The WORST thing is you are trying to contaminate people by posting all kind of hatred stuff. I've seen you have posted the same lies over and over again in different threads. Here is the link for some of your answers,
http://www.submission.org/answering-Islam.htm#confusion
and the rest of them we have already replied. You got time to read anti-islamic bulsh**s. you should find some time to go over this site and other posts which you can find some answers.
Islam is not all about killing, this is a horrible accusation. Islam is all about preaching with kindnest and show respect others, but not you. People like you do not deserve any of it.

[Pinkie]

I see you are from New York, Pinkie. Remember, the very fact that you are here shows that you prefer to be in this civilized part of the world rather than remaining where you came from originally. Maybe you are here to get an education. In that case it would show that you preferred getting a more civilized education. Otherwise you’d have gone to some Madrasa. So don’t spit in the same salt-holder from which you are eating. Otherwise it would be hypocritical. Billions of people would prefer living in this civilized part of the world rather being subjected to some corrupt ideology elsewhere. Just ask anyone in other parts of the world if they would want to live here in America. One of the biggest prizes of living in a civilized world is the freedom. People here are free to do anything they want and believe in anything they want. They are not forced into believing some dogmas by people with swords in their hands. And people are responsible only before God himself. No one else is going to tell them what to do or what to believe in. Let God decide their fate in the end when the Qiyomat comes. Don’t judge them and make yourself a god.
As far as other responses, I’m still not convinced. They are nothing but biased listings and desperate attempts to prove that is something clearly a lie. I am researching and studying on my own also and know a lot more obvious contradictions than I listed in my original post. Even ibn Abbas himself said he didn’t know why some of those contradictions existed. And he was the best; had more Islamic knowledge than any of you people here. For others to make up those claims above and try to justify the contradictions rather than expressing your opinion is like saying I know better than ibn Abbas. Since I’m not receiving a civilized response, I’m not going to post my other questions here right now. To be honest I don’t even believe those imposters are real Muslims either. They call themselves a Muslim even if they don’t do one or more of the required things: pray five times a day, don’t drink vodka or wine, give their zakots, fast, do the hadj, don’t eat pork, don’t lust for women, and things like that. It is plain hypocrisy. I know for a fact this happens even in the strictest Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia where I have friends living. Besides, I don’t see any Muslims doing good will in the world like helping people in need. All they do is destroy countries and kill people for stupid reasons. On the other hand it is the Christians doing all the good work by helping nations in need, lifting people up rather than destroying, and showing the love of God not the sword. At least that’s what I see. And I’m hurt by the fact that many people who cry out in the name of Islam don’t realize the terrible deeds they are doing. What a waste of God-given precious life.

First and foremost, I was born and raised here so don't assume I immigrated. My father was born and raised here too! My grandparents came here from Italy for economic reasons. There are madrassas and masjids here. I don't think you have been to NYC. How am I making myself a god? I am only telling you what is happening among women in the perfect civilization in your head. And how are you claiming I am making myself a god when you are the one calling people on those sites "Imposter Muslims" so if that is the case tell me what is not an imposter Muslim? By the way, what do you mean by freedom? Do you mean freedom of speech under Amendment 1? I have news for you-even that is contridicted in such a country like the United Sates. People try to "excercise their freedom of speech" but then someone gets offended and tries to pass a law.

If Chrisitans were so good then have you read your history books about the Spanish conquistadors? They marched into the new world taking land away from the natives and forced them into slavery. They did horrible things to women. They took away their culture, their dignity all in the name of Spain and Christianity. Don't sit there and type "But they brought civilization to those savages" because they brought grief and they destroyed villages and whole tribes. I don't even think you have to look that far back at the Spanish conquistadors-just look at the war in Iraq. Don't sit there and type "But America has brought them freedom" because Iraq is divided now (the Kurds in the north, Shias in the south and Sunnis in the middle).

Do you know about the Ottoman Empire? Did you figure out that the places the Ottoman empire used to be in like the Middle East and the Balkins are now out of control? Because the Ottomans implemented peace!!! People of different religions and ethnicities were living side by side in PEACE!

Do you know anything about the world that the Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him) lived in?? Did you know that people used to kill their children if they were an economic burden? Did you know that women children and orphans back then were treated worse than dirt? Islam brought people out of that silly ideology. Islam gave women a voice and unlike Christianity which states:

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

And of course, Christian missionaries would NEVER mention THAT part in the New Testament. Nor will they mention that there are 30894281907958712059 different versions of the Bible and there is no authentic one. And of course they would never mention that they are marching in to Uzbekistan to take away the cultural dignity of Uzbeks.

But, they did promise you $200!!!:D:D:D:D

[Tokugawa]

As a result, this thread by "ajoyib_bola" was in FAVOR of ISLAM :D and had a big anti-effect against people like him :evil: . Toje mne "civilized" nashelsya.

[Uzbekistan2010]

ohir zamon yaqinlashmoqda .. :?

[Alesser]

ohir zamon yaqinlashmoqda .. :?

allaqachon birodar.....

[Iqbol]

Hi, ajoyib bola.
It is normal that sometimes we have doubts concerning many things in our life, our faith included. When we have doubts, we consult different sources to get rid of them. But, what is important is to consult good sources, otherwise we will acquire more doubts. And, living all times in doubt makes us suffer.
About the website you showed, I think one of its founders is a man called Ibn Warraq. I don't know much about him. But what I know is that he is an anonymous man( If he hasn't already revealed his identity) who writes a lot of dirty things on IslamAnd his objectivity is really biased..( Even, serious western writiers don't use his works) And his public constitutes of a precise category of men who have already a biased opinion about Islam and who just looks forward to find any arguments ( even wrong ones) to join to their speeches. So, if you want to help yourself, try to consult other sources also. Because with Ibn Warraq you won't find any good.

Among many others, I recommend you just two books as they are considered to be classics of their field:
1) The reconstruction of religious thought in Islam by an indian writer Muhammad Iqbal. This book is made up of a several lectures where the writer shares his thoughts on the relations between Islam and science; islam and philosophy; islam and culture; islam and law...
2) The crisis of modern world by a french traditionalist Réné Guénon. In this book which dates from 1920s, the author gives a very good critical view of his time. And this time we know is the beginning of our modern era. You can find very good passages dealing with his views on the so called scientific achivements, on the weak points of so called democracy, etc.

Just read them, you will find a lot of answers.

[Royal]

If you find yourself doubting islam and considering leaving it, you are not alone.
Hmmmmm.... endiiiiiiii, botta avlodinim hammasini bitta qilib g'isht qilib tahlaganni foydasi bomasa keray....

Lekin nima uchun hammani morasiga nifoq solish niyatida bu postni botga tashaganini tushunmadim va moderatorlar qaqqa qarashdi shu tepadagi gapini ozi buni botta "missionerlik" harakatini hidi kevotti....uhhhh lekin rosa sasipti oziyam...
Oziga insof bermasa yana qiyin bundoq manjalaqilarga....
Just too many things in this religion that don't make sense..
agar har bir GAPdan SOZlarni tersa ancha muncha har hil kerak kerakmas GAP
yasasa boladi hamma har bir sozini (gap bolishi mumkinammas) gapiromiy qoladi..

oddie misolde endi ajoyib bola: Togrinda turgan OYNAMI ?
Front of You is a window ??

[JAVA]

Ochen' horoshij sayt sovetuyu vsem oznakomitsya...
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm

A tak ne obrashayte vnimanie na provakatorov...

[ajoyib_bola]

Thank you for proving my point. Some of the replies and arguments presented here just make me laugh. Most of you don’t even know proper rules of inference and logic. Some of your posts sound like yapping and have no coherent arguments. Yet others don’t even deserve a reading. I saw only a couple of replies with a voice of reason. The rest are acting as if you have something to hide and as if my posting brought your evil deeds into light making you scared, defensive, and shameful. If Islam is all you claim to be, representatives of Islam like some of you would not have acted the way you are acting right now. As I said earlier, it’s hypocrisy. Truth hurts, huh? If there was nothing to hide and no lies, you wouldn’t be scared of criticism, but instead be open to it.

I also don’t understand why some of you would bring up the Bible or Christianity to me. Give examples from your Koran and Muslim lives. Pinkie, I don’t care what the Bible says about women. Bring me quotes from your Koran. As far as I know women in Islam can’t even sit together with men in mosques let alone speak. And men can have four wives, but women can have only one husband. Is that equality? One doesn’t equal four even by a gross margin. I consider it nothing but lust. It’s very hypocritical of you to bring up that Bible example. I simply cannot accept the fact that some old-aged chol-boboys marrying underage young kids forcibly. That is called pedophilia, to be frank, however you are going to twist it. Maybe they don’t have enough mature women left for them because of the four for one deal.

I don’t need someone’s history lessons either about how Islam was good to people with different religions. It’s not the Muslim Spain era which is the greatest as far as people living in harmony. It is the current day United States of America where people from all over the world with millions of different points of views are living in harmony side by side. If you don’t like it here go live in Saudi Arabia.

Compare that to your Islamic extremists and terrorists who are killing innocent people all over the world. Just look at Sudan. Millions of people are being killed for no good reason by Islamic terrorists and militia.

Thank you for those of you who suggested some links and readings. If there is a knowledgeable person among you, I have some questions to ask about the history of Koran as a book and how it came to be. I know Muslims like asserting that Koran was never changed but they ignore the fact that there were several variations of it before Uthman destroyed the other copies, which invalidates the above claim. If they were all the same he wouldn’t have destroyed them. Even then the differences remain. One of the original copies kept in Turkey (Topkapi Manuscript) differ from current versions of the Koran. As far as I know, there are currently two versions of Koran in circulation: Asim of Kufa version (in Egypt) and Nafi of Medina version (in parts of Africa). The other five versions (by Ibn Kathir, by Ibn Amir, by Abu Amr, by Hamsa of Kufa, and by Al-Kisai of Kufa) were eventually circulated out if not still being used. And I’m not mentioning the other many early copies/versions of this book. Continuing in this theme, what can anyone say about Koran being written in Arabic, as it says every word in it is Arabic, but there being non-Arabic words in there?

I realize now that I may not have acted in proper way with my original post, for which I apologize to have offended many people, but I stand by my opinion of considering those a lie until convinced otherwise.

[tarafdor]

Thank you for proving my point. Some of the replies and arguments presented here just make me laugh. Most of you don’t even know proper rules of inference and logic. Some of your posts sound like yapping and have no coherent arguments. Yet others don’t even deserve a reading. I saw only a couple of replies with a voice of reason. The rest are acting as if you have something to hide and as if my posting brought your evil deeds into light making you scared, defensive, and shameful. If Islam is all you claim to be, representatives of Islam like some of you would not have acted the way you are acting right now. As I said earlier, it’s hypocrisy. Truth hurts, huh? If there was nothing to hide and no lies, you wouldn’t be scared of criticism, but instead be open to it.

I also don’t understand why some of you would bring up the Bible or Christianity to me. Give examples from your Koran and Muslim lives. Pinkie, I don’t care what the Bible says about women. Bring me quotes from your Koran. As far as I know women in Islam can’t even sit together with men in mosques let alone speak. And men can have four wives, but women can have only one husband. Is that equality? One doesn’t equal four even by a gross margin. I consider it nothing but lust. It’s very hypocritical of you to bring up that Bible example. I simply cannot accept the fact that some old-aged chol-boboys marrying underage young kids forcibly. That is called pedophilia, to be frank, however you are going to twist it. Maybe they don’t have enough mature women left for them because of the four for one deal.

I don’t need someone’s history lessons either about how Islam was good to people with different religions. It’s not the Muslim Spain era which is the greatest as far as people living in harmony. It is the current day United States of America where people from all over the world with millions of different points of views are living in harmony side by side. If you don’t like it here go live in Saudi Arabia.

Compare that to your Islamic extremists and terrorists who are killing innocent people all over the world. Just look at Sudan. Millions of people are being killed for no good reason by Islamic terrorists and militia.

Thank you for those of you who suggested some links and readings. If there is a knowledgeable person among you, I have some questions to ask about the history of Koran as a book and how it came to be. I know Muslims like asserting that Koran was never changed but they ignore the fact that there were several variations of it before Uthman destroyed the other copies, which invalidates the above claim. If they were all the same he wouldn’t have destroyed them. Even then the differences remain. One of the original copies kept in Turkey (Topkapi Manuscript) differ from current versions of the Koran. As far as I know, there are currently two versions of Koran in circulation: Asim of Kufa version (in Egypt) and Nafi of Medina version (in parts of Africa). The other five versions (by Ibn Kathir, by Ibn Amir, by Abu Amr, by Hamsa of Kufa, and by Al-Kisai of Kufa) were eventually circulated out if not still being used. And I’m not mentioning the other many early copies/versions of this book. Continuing in this theme, what can anyone say about Koran being written in Arabic, as it says every word in it is Arabic, but there being non-Arabic words in there?

I realize now that I may not have acted in proper way with my original post, for which I apologize to have offended many people, but I stand by my opinion of considering those a lie until convinced otherwise.

Latta yana keldingmi...Islomga qarshi keltirgan shubhalaringa javob berildi...endi mujikka uhshab tema buyicha gapirsang chiroyli chiqardi.. a tak latta ekansan shuncha gapdan keyin...sanga keltirilgan postlarga nima deysan??:lol:

[al-quds muslim]

salamu alaikum

allah said in koraan
:([9] It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). )- suratul-saff , ayet (9)

who ever lie on islam, islam will be successful , and tat is the promise of allah


thank u all very much

[Cimkent]

T.......e.

ey ajoyib va g'aroyib bola bitta eng kuchli argumentingizni O'zbekcha aytvormaysizmi? biz ingilizchani to'liq tushunmagandan keyin sizni so'kishgayam ikkilanib turibmiz.

[Ulug'bek]

Truth hurts, huh? If there was nothing to hide and no lies, you wouldn’t be scared of criticism, but instead be open to it..


It is not only the truth that hurts! Or: not every thing hurts is truth!
Lies hurt, slanders hurt! To see big empty claims hurts too!


I also don’t understand why some of you would bring up the Bible or Christianity to me..
That is because we believe that you are a Christian, if you be honest and admit it or admit that you are a missionary also we will be only grateful to you!

As far as I know women in Islam can’t even sit together with men in mosques let alone speak. And men can have four wives, but women can have only one husband. Is that equality? One doesn’t equal four even by a gross margin. I consider it nothing but lust. It’s very hypocritical of you to bring up that Bible example. I simply cannot accept the fact that some old-aged chol-boboys marrying underage young kids forcibly. That is called pedophilia, to be frank, however you are going to twist it. Maybe they don’t have enough mature women left for them because of the four for one deal..

1. Sitting together in the mosque, it depends on what do you mean by together, in the same row it is not allowed as women are given the separate row but in the same mosque, the same or similar or even more limits exist in many branches of Christianity too, including catholic one which constitutes the vast majority of the Christians around the globe!
People come to the mosque to worship not to chat primarily!

2. Men can have 4 wives, that is true! But with quite hard conditions must be fulfilled first! Qu'ran states: If you FEAR that you can not be just, then it is ONLY ONE! (4:3)
Can you tell me now; do you have any limits or conditions for having girl friends as much as you want having the same relationship with them as wife and husband?! One of the differences is that you can have them with any responsibility under equality claim, but Islam holds the man responsible as a husband and a father of the children!


3. Why women can have only one husband? Ask doctors what having more than one sexual partner at the same time may cause!
Then, Islam has special attention to preserve chain of every body's fathers and grandfathers (nasab) !
For you, it may not mean any thing to know who was your father (or does it?), but for us it does!

4. Islam aims at establishment of justice not the equality! that because equality doesn't always equal the justice!
Although to bring about the justice requires having equality in most of the time, that is not true in some cases! You definitely agree with me that handicapped people must not be equalized with ordinary people in responsibilities! (This is just example, don't tell that I have equalised women to handicappeds!)
This case is one of these cases also, where equality doesn't bring justice!
God has created two genders with some differences, so based on that differences rights and responsibilities may differ!
That is why, Islam holds the men only responsible party to provide all family members including his wife with all financial and material needs they may have, while women don't have such responsibility, and if they gain money from their work for example, it is only for them!

5.’Some old-aged chol-boboys marrying underage young kids forcibly'.
Islam does not approve ANY MARRIAGE CONTRACT UNDER FORSE!
This claim is false !

I don’t need someone’s history lessons either about how Islam was good to people with different religions. It’s not the Muslim Spain era which is the greatest as far as people living in harmony. It is the current day United States of America where people from all over the world with millions of different points of views are living in harmony side by side. If you don’t like it here go live in Saudi Arabia..
- My friend, you need that and you need it very much if you are eager to find out the truth!
If you are open-minded enough, then you would see what is what and why?
History is not only about telling a story to kill the time, but it contains facts and evidences to prove or disprove certain claims too!
If you see Muslims were the most civilized nation upon a time, then it is clear prove that Islam can produce civilization!
If you see that it was Muslim contribution to the science which after being translated into European languages, reaching it through Spain, that gave new birth to the current modern science, then you would know that Muslims were a progressive nation upon a time.
At the same time it is a big lesson for us - Muslims to ponder and find out what went wrong! While having such a good beginning, today we are back warded!
What is clear here, is that it is not our religion which caused this backwardness, since it was the stimulator of the progress in the past!
As you see history is more important than you thought!

It is also obvious that 'today' you are talking about is history for tomorrow!

- If you think all people at forum.uz are in USA, you are wrong, I am not there as many others here!

- USA is living in relatively peace and harmony (which is dying day by day) because it distanced itself from Christianity, separated it from the state, and implemented the democracy!
Here is another lesson for us Muslims, whose religion allow implementation almost all of the democratic principles without any separation between state and the religion!


Compare that to your Islamic extremists and terrorists who are killing innocent people all over the world. Just look at Sudan. Millions of people are being killed for no good reason by Islamic terrorists and militia..
While admitting wrong doings of many Muslims who are driven by their emotions rather than reason, I relate the causes to unjust world order we are living today!
Until it is changed and reshaped in a just form we continue to see its fruits!

Unfortunately it is again your beloved USA and its allies and other super states who don't allow having this relatively just world system!

And if you want see really real killing of innocents then look at MILLIONS KILLED IN IRAK BY USA PROPOSED AND SUPPORTED SANCTIONS AND THE US ARMY DURING AND AFTER THE OCCUPATION OF IRAK!
And as you may know that your mad beloved head of USA claiming today that it was the God who told him doing such acts!
To be continued...

[Ulug'bek]

Continued...

I have some questions to ask about the history of Koran as a book and how it came to be. I know Muslims like asserting that Koran was never changed but they ignore the fact that there were several variations of it before Uthman destroyed the other copies, which invalidates the above claim. .

This is the song being played quite often by missionaries today, poor people since they can't prove originality of Bible they posses, they wish Muslims the same!

Firstly, it is a matter of consensus among Muslim and non-Muslim (western) scholarship that the Koran written and distributed to different cities of Islamic caliphate at the time of Othman- the third Caliph (at around 13-14 years after the Prophets demise) is the one we find in every where around the world!
It is also authenthecly and historically proved that these copies Othman copied were based on what Abu Bakr- the first Caliph after just about 1 and half year after the Prophet has compiled, when many Muslims who used know Koran by heart got killed in the battles!

So what are those other copies then?


Qur'an/Koran is revealed in 23 years to the Prophet Muhammad (PUH), He had several people who used to write newly revealed verses!
Since the Prophet encouraged Muslims to preserve Koran, many Muslim used to memorise all of what has been revealed or partly as well as they used to write down copies for themselves!
At the end of his life after the last verse of Koran has been revealed, the Prophet has reviewed the whole Koran with a group of companions, who participated in compilation possess at the time of Abu Bakr, and finalisation process at the time of Othman!
At this last revision, the Prophet clearly taught them how the chapters must be arranged, what verse comes after what, etc.

From here comes different copies, they were personal copies of several companions of the Prophet. Those personal copies, which contains the owners personal remarks, explanations, different arrangements of the chapters and lacks some chapters, as they were not revealed yet, NEVER RECOGNIZED AS AUTHENTHIC COPIES, THE OWNERS THEMSELVES NEVER CLAIMED THAT! Simply it was done by them as any student attending classes of some lectures record them with his own remarks missing parts, especially if he was absent in some lectures. As these student can't claim that what they written is a book of his lecturer, owner of those copies didn’t claim that!

Now, some thing important to know!

Othman RA was not able to destroy those copies, ( He wanted to do it for causing the confusion among some Muslims!)
Some companions refused to destroy openly and some just kept their copies not following the order, as they saw it unjustified for example!
Further Othman RA himself, did keep the original copy which was collected by Abu bakr, by returning it to Umars daughter and the Prophets wife Hafsah after whom the copy called- the copy of Hafsah or Mushaf Hafsah!
Based on this copy, one may safely claim that first compilation of Koran was done after less than 2 years after the prophet's demise and not after about 13 years!

Many of these personal copies of companions lived quite long, Ibn Nadim ( (died 995 or 998) in his al-Fihrist, which is also translated into English, states that he personally have seen many of this copies, and recorded and reported the differences, as well as Ibn Abu Dowud in his book -al-masahif, who also reported what type of differences exist between those copies and the official copy, which is called today Othman's copy!
As I have indicated earlier, differences never challenge the originality of today’s Koran neither it challenge the fact that it was preserved!
I could elaborate more if there is need for that!

If they were all the same he wouldn’t have destroyed them..

As you sae, there were not the same, and that was reason for ordering to destroy them, and it is Muslims themselves who recorded and reported those differences! So nothing for you here!

. Even then the differences remain. .

Yes. In those personal copies, there are rumours about finding a copy of those personal copies in Yemen recently!
But as I told you those copies used to exist till 4-5 centuries after the Prophet and nobody saw in them any problem, as they were personal commentaries and notes with the most part of the Koran!


. One of the original copies kept in Turkey (Topkapi Manuscript) differ from current versions of the Koran..
This info is inaccurate to the best of my knowledge.
As to the original copy of Othman, several parts of it exist in different countries, one is now in Uzbekistan and I had opportunity to see it in private and read it! It is written in dear’s leather!


As far as I know, there are currently two versions of Koran in circulation: Asim of Kufa version (in Egypt) and Nafi of Medina version (in parts of Africa). The other five versions (by Ibn Kathir, by Ibn Amir, by Abu Amr, by Hamsa of Kufa, and by Al-Kisai of Kufa) were eventually circulated out if not still being used. And I’m not mentioning the other many early copies/versions of this book. Continuing in this theme, what can anyone say about Koran being written in Arabic, as it says every word in it is Arabic, but there being non-Arabic words in there?.

This paragraph, shows only how much confusion and unclearness you have regarding this issue, it may also show that your masters are academically unqualified in the field!

This issue is now about the 'qiroah'(how to recite the Koran) and not the Koran as a book!
For your info, all those version of recitation of Koran you mentioned (actually you spelled many of them wrongly, with a lot of confusion!)and those you didn't (they reach up to more than 14 different methods how to recite) are all IN ACCORDANCE TO THE COPY OF KORAN, COMPILED FIRST BY ABU BAKR ra, THEN FINLIZED BY OTHMAN ra!

One more info for you those all versions you talked and missed still are taught in university level for those who specialize in koranic studies, so double check before you claim!

The last point I didn’t get, if you meant that Koran contains some non-Arabic words, what is the problem with that, any language contains words taken from other language, do you want to surprise me by saying: No?

Lastly, it is extremely important, that here we all are talking about written copies! However, as I have indicated earlier there were many companions who used to memorise whole Koran or most part of it by heart!
They transmitted that oral Koran accompanied and supported by written 'copy' to the next generation and the next ones did the same to the others until today! Today there are hundreds of thousands who memorise Koran by heart, which is not found in other religion!
The level of the memory of these people of the Koran is very high, when you see or participate in international Koran compititions which are held in many Muslim countries anually, you will just get surprised, try it once, it worth!
So, beside the written copy, there always have been oral copies together! That is how Allah SWT preserved this last book for mankind to show what is what and how!

I can go in details of all what you have mixed and messed up here, but this far is enough for one post!

I didn't have time to go through the post editing it, I hope the weak English of mine was sufficient to deliver the message I wanted to.

[Pinkie]

Thank you for proving my point. Some of the replies and arguments presented here just make me laugh. Most of you don’t even know proper rules of inference and logic. Some of your posts sound like yapping and have no coherent arguments. Yet others don’t even deserve a reading. I saw only a couple of replies with a voice of reason. The rest are acting as if you have something to hide and as if my posting brought your evil deeds into light making you scared, defensive, and shameful. If Islam is all you claim to be, representatives of Islam like some of you would not have acted the way you are acting right now. As I said earlier, it’s hypocrisy. Truth hurts, huh? If there was nothing to hide and no lies, you wouldn’t be scared of criticism, but instead be open to it.

I also don’t understand why some of you would bring up the Bible or Christianity to me. Give examples from your Koran and Muslim lives. Pinkie, I don’t care what the Bible says about women. Bring me quotes from your Koran. As far as I know women in Islam can’t even sit together with men in mosques let alone speak. And men can have four wives, but women can have only one husband. Is that equality? One doesn’t equal four even by a gross margin. I consider it nothing but lust. It’s very hypocritical of you to bring up that Bible example. I simply cannot accept the fact that some old-aged chol-boboys marrying underage young kids forcibly. That is called pedophilia, to be frank, however you are going to twist it. Maybe they don’t have enough mature women left for them because of the four for one deal.

I don’t need someone’s history lessons either about how Islam was good to people with different religions. It’s not the Muslim Spain era which is the greatest as far as people living in harmony. It is the current day United States of America where people from all over the world with millions of different points of views are living in harmony side by side. If you don’t like it here go live in Saudi Arabia.

Compare that to your Islamic extremists and terrorists who are killing innocent people all over the world. Just look at Sudan. Millions of people are being killed for no good reason by Islamic terrorists and militia.

Thank you for those of you who suggested some links and readings. If there is a knowledgeable person among you, I have some questions to ask about the history of Koran as a book and how it came to be. I know Muslims like asserting that Koran was never changed but they ignore the fact that there were several variations of it before Uthman destroyed the other copies, which invalidates the above claim. If they were all the same he wouldn’t have destroyed them. Even then the differences remain. One of the original copies kept in Turkey (Topkapi Manuscript) differ from current versions of the Koran. As far as I know, there are currently two versions of Koran in circulation: Asim of Kufa version (in Egypt) and Nafi of Medina version (in parts of Africa). The other five versions (by Ibn Kathir, by Ibn Amir, by Abu Amr, by Hamsa of Kufa, and by Al-Kisai of Kufa) were eventually circulated out if not still being used. And I’m not mentioning the other many early copies/versions of this book. Continuing in this theme, what can anyone say about Koran being written in Arabic, as it says every word in it is Arabic, but there being non-Arabic words in there?

I realize now that I may not have acted in proper way with my original post, for which I apologize to have offended many people, but I stand by my opinion of considering those a lie until convinced otherwise.

Do you know how many wives people had in the Bible? As a matter of fact, the Bible allows polygamy. Please refer to http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm if you have no time to read everything in the Bible and then you will understand what I mean. The Bible never allowed polygamy---sure!! Present day Mormons are allowed to have multiple wives. As a result of this, it's a violation of United States law. What do you think is acceptable? A man who is married and is having an affair on the side or a man who is married to two wives? In Islam it doesn't FORCE men to have 4 wives but it's permissible...just as long as they can afford it and treat them justly. And don't worry-I go to sleep soundly knowing that I can't have 4 husbands, 1 will do just fine for me.

By the way, I am completely comfortable with segration during prayer. I don't want to pray side by side with a man because I don't know he would have the same intentions when I pray. When we pray, our only focus and attention is on Allah, no one else. The problem is not the women-it's the men. Don't assume that just because men and women are separate, that Allah listens to the prayers of men first then women-He is As-Sami (The All Hearing). And you want examples from the Qu'ran about justice for women? Read Sura An-Nisa and Sura Al-Mujadila. Or if you are just filled with inquiries, go to this Islam q and a website http://www.islam-qa.com/ or better yet, visit the local mosque and ask the imam.

And if I am not mistaken-you said you are not Christian but that you should convert to Christianity. I think that answers your question of why we are bringing up Christianity. If not, then please specify your stance more clearly.

[JAVA]

Just ignore this a**hole. Samoe glavnoe on vse svoi "Lies" prepodnosit kak svoi lichnye vyvody. ON navernoe daje ne podozrevaet kak teh kto eto vse sidit i pridumyvaet lajali ne tol'ko na raznyh saytah, no i prosto unichtojali v zhyvyh debatah. Posmotrite debate Shabyr Ali i etogo islamofoba Jay Smith, vse chto etot Ajoib bola prepodnosit kak svoi otkrytiya tam sto raz uzhe obsujdali... Voobshem Ajoib bola zakompeksovanoe nichtojestvo, stoit tol'ko prochitat' ego posty.

[Pinkie]

Just ignore this a**hole. Samoe glavnoe on vse svoi "Lies" prepodnosit kak svoi lichnye vyvody. ON navernoe daje ne podozrevaet kak teh kto eto vse sidit i pridumyvaet lajali ne tol'ko na raznyh saytah, no i prosto unichtojali v zhyvyh debatah. Posmotrite debate Shabyr Ali i etogo islamofoba Jay Smith, vse chto etot Ajoib bola prepodnosit kak svoi otkrytiya tam sto raz uzhe obsujdali... Voobshem Ajoib bola zakompeksovanoe nichtojestvo, stoit tol'ko prochitat' ego posty.

Ya Allah! Brother, you are right. Instead, lets all sing "sanakhudu"!!!
We need back up singers and someone to bake the cookies for everyone!:)
Who's with me?:cool:.

[JAVA]

Ya Allah! Brother, you are right. Instead, lets all sing "sanakhudu"!!!
We need back up singers and someone to bake the cookies for everyone!:)
Who's with me?:cool:.

Sis, you gave him a good advice to go and address his "doubts" about Islam to the people of knowledge, or at list to take his time and read the links that you provided. But he is not gonna do that, because his point was to make fitnah among the believers. Those people dont change, they use the same tactics over and over again, nothing changes for them, they dont care , they just throw a question at you, and dont care for the answer. My advice to you Ajoib Bola, go and buy some debates on Video cassetes between your so called "scholars" (who ever you are, chrisitan, jew, atheist, we battled them all), and our humble brothers and sometimes sisters. Dont waste your time posting here, because whatever you say or said was said a thousand times before you, thats why i say you people dont change.

[TANRIDAĞLI]

Ya Allah! Brother, you are right. Instead, lets all sing "sanakhudu"!!!
We need back up singers and someone to bake the cookies for everyone!:)
Who's with me?:cool:.


I am always with you! but ................... :x

[Shogird]

Ajoyib bola, I think you don't respect people's religious feeling. You know that Islam as Christianity is a way of life for millions of people around the world. I am Uzbek Christian but I don't agree with your behaviour. Your post creates unnecessary enmity betwen Christians and Muslims. If you are Christian do not do that again, simply open new thread for religious debate. If you were a Christian you would know the second greatest commandment: Love your neighbour as yourself. Did you post your note out of love? If Uzbeks are your neighbours living in your country than show your religion in action but not with condemnation.
If you are atheist or agnostic just explain your intentions and your unbelief in proper way.
Also please don't hide your nationality.

God is just

[Joha]

Assalamu Alaykum to ahlul muslimeen

Lets show true colours of all acqusations made by "Ajoyib_Bola".

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?
· Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state
· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

It is clearly stated that Allah created UNIVERSE and EVERYTHING within it in SIX DAYS. Allah created Earth "only" in TWO DAYS. So clearly here we can see that you ALLEGATION is WRONG as UNIVERSE created in 6 days, so in two of those days Earth was created. I dont see anything wrong or contradiction in it.

So I beleive the FIRST POINT is clear now.

[Joha]

Lets see further ...

· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.
You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not


I beleive you do not possess a good knowledge of Arabic as well as you have just copied the above from a "HATERS" website and you do not understand what it is talking yourself. I am sure you even did not open QURAN to check if what they say is Correct or Wrong. Accordingly I will try to explain to you.

Allah created UNIVERSE in 6 days. In FOUR DAYS Allah created Earth and Gave measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion. So out of Four Days, two days were spent on creating Earth. And if we follow your calculation that you adding TIME OF EARTH creation two times!!! I hope you will understand the mistake in YOUR math, although I doubt it is yours :)

SIX DAYS = 2 Days For Earth + 2 Days for Nourishement + 2 Days for Heavens.
FOUR DAYS = 2 Days For Earth + 2 Days for Nourishement

[Joha]

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Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning
· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.


Here you show your lack of knowledge of Quantum and Relativity Theory and that you do not know about existence of the Book of Tafsir. Accordingly TIME passes by SLOWLY near MASSIVE objects and FASTER near SMALLER objects.

Quran 22:47 and 32:5 Tells us about TIME relativity. But QURAN 70:4 talks about a JUDGEMENT DAY, accordingly Allah swt says that ANGELS and THE SPIRIT will ascend to him on JUDGEMENT DAY the measure whereof is FIFTY THOUSAND YEARS. Allah tells us that JUDGEMENT DAY will last FIFTY THOUSAND YEARS.

[Abu Hurayra]

Assalamu Alaykum to ahlul muslimeen

Lets show true colours of all acqusations made by "Ajoyib_Bola".


It is clearly stated that Allah created UNIVERSE and EVERYTHING within it in SIX DAYS. Allah created Earth "only" in TWO DAYS. So clearly here we can see that you ALLEGATION is WRONG as UNIVERSE created in 6 days, so in two of those days Earth was created. I dont see anything wrong or contradiction in it.

So I beleive the FIRST POINT is clear now.
thanks bro,

I did remind the Author of this thread to change the name of thread,As its just disrespectfull action towards the majority of Forum uz users Believes.

Once In the Religion part User Djigit had Opened a thread "Ostorojna Christianstvo"(Attention Christianity). BUt after complains of users like VAR and offers of Other Brothers including me,Djigit has changed this name to "Pro Xristinstvo"(about Christianity).
We waited if the user "ajoyib bola" will behaive accordingly(to change the topic). BUt He proofed to everyone that he had no respect towards others Beliefs and culture. If He only Respected himself He could do it,-How can he respect others when he behaves disrespectful towards others.

Moderators and admin (MeGaZ) please could you change the name of topic to the one that does not hurts others!
maybe :About Islam or Missioners Doubts about Islam

PS:Keep Respect than you will be respected!

peace!

[Joha]

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Creation of the Heavens and the Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.
· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….
· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth
Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually th