They might refuse OVIR visas to young people

[Hamid]

Dear all, the following are something my wife heard from uzbekistan, can't give the resource at the moment, as checking on it at the moment.

The parliament may impose restrictions for young people wishing to leave the country to study, or travel, i.e. refuse them OVIR visas. As her source said, it has already been discussed in the parliament, but don't know about any advances in the discussion.

Does anybody know about this issue being raised in the parliament?

This might mean that former umidies who are just finishing their five year period might find it very difficult to obtain OVIR visas.

hh

[referee]

Dear all, the following are something my wife heard from uzbekistan, can't give the resource at the moment, as checking on it at the moment.

The parliament may impose restrictions for young people wishing to leave the country to study, or travel, i.e. refuse them OVIR visas. As her source said, it has already been discussed in the parliament, but don't know about any advances in the discussion.

Does anybody know about this issue being raised in the parliament?

This might mean that former umidies who are just finishing their five year period might find it very difficult to obtain OVIR visas.

hh

it's impossible, though impossibilities are often practised by Uzb gov-t.

In my view, it'll be hard and foolish to impose such a regime as many young people feed their families by going abroad, and I mean near abroad more than Europe/USA. If the government does impose a blank barring of all young people, I can easily guarantee that it'll be the surest way of removing the government as it'll be the last straw for many young people whose only survival depends on going abroad - without this it's a situation of a rat driven to corner, we know what happens then...

Exit visa regime is already tight and corrupted, and any further effort to tighten it up will lead to even worse corruption...

[Gareeb]

It is not surprise at all. Yesterday I heard about 1 umide who just went back to Uzbekistan after five years being in abroad.As soon as he came his home next day in the morning NSS stuff arrested him form his house and now he is under interrogation.I can feel how difficult it is..

[UzLand]

The parliament may impose restrictions for young people wishing to leave the country to study, or travel, i.e. refuse them OVIR visas.

It will be not only a stupid thing, but would also contribute to further radicalization of the population as an additional factor, because the economy is still alive also because of a serious flow of remittances from abroad.

So it will be like in that song "Back to the USSR"...la-la-la:)

[MegaZ]

It is not surprise at all. Yesterday I heard about 1 umide who just went back to Uzbekistan after five years being in abroad.As soon as he came his home next day in the morning NSS stuff arrested him form his house and now he is under interrogation.I can feel how difficult it is..
Can you give more details about this please? Who was it and when did it happen?

[Prince]

Hamid aka ,
Tak bilo vsegda , toest posle togo kak vy sdaete vse svoi dokumenti v pasportniy stol , oni otpravlayut eto v SNB , tam vas proveryayut , sudili vas v poslednie godi , esli li u vas chtoto ploxogo ili sudyatli vas seychas , esli vse u vas normalno to vam dadut etu "VIZU"
2) prosto do etogo nelzya bilo SNBshnikam ili Voennim pokidat uzbekistan v techenie 5 let posle togo kak vy podali v otstavku( ne schitaya komandirovku) a dlya drugix ne bilo zakona , shas oni rabotayut nad etim!!!
Cheers ,

[Delf]

They might refuse OVIR visas to young people

I think governement is getting scared by what young talented people can start after being fed up with the current regime.

Especially young professionals with foreign diplomas, who can network well and who are dedicated to changes in their motherland.


Delf.

[Vector]

Dear all, the following are something my wife heard from uzbekistan, can't give the resource at the moment, as checking on it at the moment.

The parliament may impose restrictions for young people wishing to leave the country to study, or travel, i.e. refuse them OVIR visas. As her source said, it has already been discussed in the parliament, but don't know about any advances in the discussion.

Does anybody know about this issue being raised in the parliament?

This might mean that former umidies who are just finishing their five year period might find it very difficult to obtain OVIR visas.

hh

never happens, i'm sure...why? cos there are many people who make money by providing this bloody OVIR...on the other hand as others already mentioned, this law will bring more troubles to government, they understand this simple reality...

[Vector]

It is not surprise at all. Yesterday I heard about 1 umide who just went back to Uzbekistan after five years being in abroad.As soon as he came his home next day in the morning NSS stuff arrested him form his house and now he is under interrogation.I can feel how difficult it is..

is it true? never heard that umides were arrested so far, i know some umides return after years but never faced such things. May be that guy was involved in some antigovernment actions, opposition stuff...:?
god bless umides

[referee]

Tak bilo vsegda , toest posle togo kak vy sdaete vse svoi dokumenti v pasportniy stol , oni otpravlayut eto v SNB , tam vas proveryayut , sudili vas v poslednie godi , esli li u vas chtoto ploxogo ili sudyatli vas seychas , esli vse u vas normalno to vam dadut etu "VIZU"
2) prosto do etogo nelzya bilo SNBshnikam ili Voennim pokidat uzbekistan v techenie 5 let posle togo kak vy podali v otstavku( ne schitaya komandirovku) a dlya drugix ne bilo zakona , shas oni rabotayut nad etim!!!


I don't think it's the same though. Hamid was talking about a blank prohibition, rather than screening process. Everyone had to go through such screening, which in fact does not mean anything because very very few people have "files" in SNB, so it meant waste of time/budget money and benefits to OVIR people. But total refusal of visas will be extreme and unproductive...

[Sarahjon]

I have heard the following rumor: getting OVIR exit-visas (the procedure cancelled everywhere across the former soviet Union except for Uzb and perhaps Turkmenistan (?)) is getting much harder: more refusals; more waiting-time, etc, etc. I am curious though if some document is being discussed at the Prlaiment level. Insiders may help with info. Help!

[forex]

ran'she dumali kak je poluchit' v'ezdnuyu vizu,a teper' nado dumat' kak je poluchit' viezdnuyu vizu.Chto za marazm takoy?
Kstati kto nibud' menyal passport cherez posol'stvo v US?

[Frida]

Ya pitalas'. No mne kuchu blankov otprvaili - nash byurokratism konechnoje. Nujno bilo zapolnit' kuchu anket i spravki nujno bilo im otpravit' - gde uchishsya, kak viyehala iz Uzb. Kto finansiruyet itp i td. K tomuje nujno bilo jdat' s 2-6 mesytsov. No mne vse ravno nujno bilo sezdit' v Tashkent, tak chto ya reshila pomenyat' doma. Boyalas' chot s prosrochennim passportom budut probelemi, net propustili bez problem. Ya kak raz v 9 maya v etom godu poyehala cherez neskol'ko dney Andijanskiye sobitiya i vse takoye, konechno bilo trudno dostat' OVIR, zaplatila bol'shuyu summu. Sdelali bystro. Hotya teper' uje bez problem pasport pomenyala tak chto 6 mesyatsev ne bol'shoy srok, esli status pomenyyu i nujno budet novoyyu vizu poluchit' luchshe otpravlyu v posol'stvo Uzb. Tak ya dumayu namnogo nadezhnee, mojet i posmeetes' nadomnoy - no ya uje v Uzb s prosrochennim pasportom ili je za novoy vizoy ne poyedu - kto znayet chto oni tam mogut sdelat'. Vam togo je posovetuyyu, pover'te - ya 11 chasov nochi v Yunus abadskiy whatever it is called that place where they issue OVIR poshla - vse tam na nervax sideli - odin ment govorit ne govori chot v SSHA - kotta hozir US bilan yomon bo'lib qolgan, skaji yedesh v Tursiyyu, ya podoshla k glavnomu on govorit kuda yedesh, ya hotela skazat' v Tursiyu a potom vspomnila chto v ankete napisala SSHA. Ne budu vhodit' podrobnosti - I was a bit scared that I wont be able to get my passport as my schedule was so tight and Andijan thing happened just at that time, so everything was f*ed up. Anyways, if you are not in a hurry and have sometime, just fix it here, over there there is no guarantee that everything will be smooth and without problems.
Cheers,

[satik]

So it will be like in that song "Back to the USSR"...la-la-la:)

In the USSR, as far as I know, poeple wouldn't worry about how to feed themselves the next day.

Last year , when I was applying for my ovir visa, I was said that the internal visa regime would be cancelled at all.
But now, I donno.

[Hamid]

I think we have already started to see implications on this issue, might not be direct, but the closure of consular section of the British Embassy in Tashkent can be an example of what is going to happen, we might see more consular sections closed, so people would need to apply through a different country.
I am not trying to draw a line between the things taking place around, it is just a personal opinion.
I can get OVIR visa in 3-7 days in samarkand, no problem, the waitng list is a waste of time, probably they lose your documents during the procedure, so it takes a lot longer.

hh

[Guardian]

I think we have already started to see implications on this issue, might not be direct, but the closure of consular section of the British Embassy in Tashkent can be an example of what is going to happen, we might see more consular sections closed, so people would need to apply through a different country.
I am not trying to draw a line between the things taking place around, it is just a personal opinion.
I can get OVIR visa in 3-7 days in samarkand, no problem, the waitng list is a waste of time, probably they lose your documents during the procedure, so it takes a lot longer.

hh
and a guy went to samarkand, that time his ovir was out-dated, he had to take a new ovir. as he was not in rush he put things for time, and gave his passport to ovir. aghh, when he took the passport back he had his "British entry clearance" ripped off his passport pages. :shock: thus, when i was in samarkand, i even didn't attempt to renew my a month left ovir. this all are terrible.

[BaRiN]

I have a question guys, what happens if my OVIR viza is expired and i am still in another country? will i be able to enter uzbekistan ok or not?

[Legend]

I have a question guys, what happens if my OVIR viza is expired and i am still in another country? will i be able to enter uzbekistan ok or not?
Don't worry about that, you will be able to enter the country :) .

[BaRiN]

what about leaving? thanks in advance

[Hamid]

what about leaving? thanks in advance
If you look at your OVIR visa, it says valid until 'some date' to visit all countries, so if it is expired you won't be able to leave the country.

hh

[referee]

I have a question guys, what happens if my OVIR viza is expired and i am still in another country? will i be able to enter uzbekistan ok or not?

yes, you wil,l as long as the visa was valid when you left Uzbekistan...

[Frida]

and a guy went to samarkand, that time his ovir was out-dated, he had to take a new ovir. as he was not in rush he put things for time, and gave his passport to ovir. aghh, when he took the passport back he had his "British entry clearance" ripped off his passport pages. :shock: thus, when i was in samarkand, i even didn't attempt to renew my a month left ovir. this all are terrible.

Well, only thing I can tell that guy should have consulted British consular about that. When I applied, US embassy put a stamp on my visa, so people in OVIR wouldn't rip it off (well, they did anyway - but they wouldnt be able to use it, as it had a big stamp on it saying expired or smth).

[Bozorboy]

Can you give more details about this please? Who was it and when did it happen?

I think he is the one mentioned in fergana.ru:
http://news.ferghana.ru/detail.php?id=1951&mode=snews

"...Источники в Шымкенте предполагают, что исчезновение четверых мусульман связано с задержанием примерно 20 ноября 2005 г. в Коканде (Ферганская область Узбекистана) Азизбека Рахимова, ранее обучавшегося в Великобритании и по пути на родину ночевавшего в упомянутой выше квартире. ..."