Uzbek & Turkish traditions

[Qarama]

SELAMUNALEYKOUM

:)

i would like to know which traditions do we have in common? do the uzbeks kiss the hands of older people too for example if they go to visit their grandparents?

when i saw lolas song ichim yonar for the first time i was suprised because we turks have the same tradition with the bride in the clip where her face is covered with a white cloth.

:) i live in germany that is the reason why i don't know so much about turkish traditions but if you could write something about uzbek customs or traditons i could ask my parents and/or friends if we have this traditions and customs too.


raxmat.

[tarafdor]

SELAMUNALEYKOUM

:)

i would like to know which traditions do we have in common? do the uzbeks kiss the hands of older people too for example if they go to visit their grandparents?

when i saw lolas song ichim yonar for the first time i was suprised because we turks have the same tradition with the bride in the clip where her face is covered with a white cloth.

:) i live in germany that is the reason why i don't know so much about turkish traditions but if you could write something about uzbek customs or traditons i could ask my parents and/or friends if we have this traditions and customs too.


raxmat.
ALEYKUMSELAM BROTHER,

regarding first issue, we don't have it. the Ottoman Empire was much influenced by the european culture so the church custom to kiss someone's hand was transfered to their lives.

anyway we are the same people, and we share same Islamic and Turkic legacy, insh'allah we will continue in this same way, ameen.

[Qarama]

:)

we don't kiss the hands of older people like the christians do i don't know a christian country where they do it.

we kiss their hand then put the hand to our forehead and the older people say then "cok ya$a" live long or maa$allah


http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?p=338740#post338740 the same thread in turkish :)

[asena]

Italians kiss only "mafiosa"s hand but never touch to their forehand after they kiss

"Kissing older's hands" is our culture.Not the christians.

Other traditions:

-Pouring water after someone leaving home
-attaching a piece of cotton to known religious persons's grave,and willing something to happen
-buying a gift if you have visited a place,when you are returning home
-"wanting" the girl from her family,when u have intetion to marry
-"putting lots of sugar" inside the coffee,if u marry him,putting "salt" inside the coffee if u dont wanna marry him
-attaching money to persons's clothes while they r getting married,at the wedding party
-unfortunately,playing with the guns at wedding party
-unfortunately,playing with the guns after the football matches
-accepting BJK as the greatest group of football,accepting FB as the worst one
i will add more as far as i remember

[Qarama]

Ölenin ayakkabalarını kapı önüne koymak...
Ölenin ardından helva dağıtmak...
Gız isteyenlerin,ayakkabısını eşiğe çivilemesi
gız isteyenlerin,pilava kaşık sallaması...
BJK'nin takım olduğunun zannedilmesi
Birgün herkesin Fenerbahçeli olacağının bilinmesi...


heheh who can translate that?

[Qarama]

ok i'll give it a try

-to put the shoes of the decedents infront of the door
-to share out halva for the decedents
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-to believe that BJK is a soccer team :D
-a day will come *cough where everybody *cough will be a *cough fener fan :S

sais our dear friend oguz :)

[Aziz]

I used to see my Grandfather when he meets his friends at the end of the meeting they make Du'a (Omin)

[Qarama]

i'm very sad that nobody cares about this thread... :(

i just wanted to bring our uzbek sisters and brothers closer to us turks...

but i failed...

[Qarama]

i'm very sad that nobody cares about this thread... :(

i just wanted to bring our uzbek sisters and brothers closer to us turks...

but i failed...

hey i'm really interested and i learned somethings about uzbek traditions. Can other uzbek members tell me something about traditions?

[Tabriz_Han]

Kiz kacirma olayi unutmayalim, her Turk toplumda bu gercerlidir :D

[SAMARKANDI!]

Uzbek-turks are generally those kind of people who really dont like unision, so dont be sad:) it is in our history:)

i have seen one thing in my family that women try to stand, sit on the left hand side of men, to be closer to their hearts i was said:).

[Qarama]

Uzbek-turks are generally those kind of people who really dont like unision, so dont be sad:) it is in our history:)

i have seen one thing in my family that women try to stand, sit on the left hand side of men, to be closer to their hearts i was said:).

wow i didn't knew that thanks for the info :)

[referee]

I used to see my Grandfather when he meets his friends at the end of the meeting they make Du'a (Omin)

Uzbeks say Dua (omin) at neary every occasion involving dasturhon (table gathering). So, you would have omin before the start of the meal, when any new persons join the meal and when the dinner is finished. Most Uzbeks, due to the Russian influence, even say dua in liue of a toast with alcoholic drinks:x

[Aziz]

Here in the west of Saudi when we shake our parent's hands we kiss the hand.
I heard that this is a Turkish tradition.

[wyxpat]

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6115 :
... Furthermore, to kiss one between his eyes or on his hands is also
established to be part of the practice of our beloved Nabi (Sallallaahu
Alayhi Wasallam) and his companions (Radhiallaahu Anhum).

[Demir Kağan]

Here in the west of Saudi when we shake our parent's hands we kiss the hand.
I heard that this is a Turkish tradition.

Yes, it is.

[Qarama]

YouTube - Г‡IMILDIQ Ъ†ЫЊЩ…ЫЊЩ„ШЇЫЊЩ‚ - Г–zbek toylarД±

hello :)

i have found this video it shows some uzbek marriage traditions. When i watched that movie at the first time, i didn't feel something foreign/strange because in Anatolia we celebrate almost the same way.

[ville]

Barchaga saloms! Turk va O'zbek millatlari (shaxsan men bu millatlarni ayirmayman) rishtalari haqida gap ketipti, mana sizga bir link: ateizm.org , bu yerda kunda dindarlar-dinsizlar orasida bahslar ketadi (men ham u yerda qatnashaman, uzbek degan nick ostida), sizni ham u yerga taklif etaman (agarda yurak yutib kira olsangiz:))

[Qarama]

Barchaga saloms! Turk va O'zbek millatlari (shaxsan men bu millatlarni ayirmayman) rishtalari haqida gap ketipti, mana sizga bir link: ateizm.org , bu yerda kunda dindarlar-dinsizlar orasida bahslar ketadi (men ham u yerda qatnashaman, uzbek degan nick ostida), sizni ham u yerga taklif etaman (agarda yurak yutib kira olsangiz:))

taklif ichun raxmat :)

men ateistlari sevmayman... ular yah$i emas :)

[erkak#1]

ok i'll give it a try

-to put the shoes of the decedents infront of the door
-to share out halva for the decedents
-
-
-to believe that BJK is a soccer team :D
-a day will come *cough where everybody *cough will be a *cough fener fan :S

sais our dear friend oguz :)

When we make halva we share it with our neighbors... :)
When we meet around the table younger men always sit closer to the door, so if they will need something they will run out and bring it, because younger men are faster :)

[Shirin_Qiz]

taklif ichun raxmat :)

men ateistlari sevmayman... ular yah$i emas :)
Togri etasiz manga ham yoqmidi :D

[QUOTE= ville men ham u yerda qatnashaman, uzbek degan nick ostida) [/QUOTE] http://forum.ateizm.org/index.php?showtopic=791&st=0&p=12369&#entry12369

[Qarama]

do uzbeks put also their right hand to the heart if they say Selamualeykum?

[Sigma]

do uzbeks put also their right hand to the heart if they say Selamualeykum?

It is very intrinsic aspect of Uzbek national culture to greet somebody with full salutation and especially clasping one's hand with another's both hands and putting right hand to chest. I guess Turks do it in imitation to us, right ;) ? They usually kiss elders' right hand to show one's respect, don't they?

[afsharkizi]

we afshar we have many different traditions...

http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=34753

Iste avsar tьrkmenlerin evlenme adetleri шnce yayinlamistim

[Qarama]

It is very intrinsic aspect of Uzbek national culture to greet somebody with full salutation and especially clasping one's hand with another's both hands and putting right hand to chest. I guess Turks do it in imitation to us, right ;) ? They usually kiss elders' right hand to show one's respect, don't they?

imitate?:rolleyes:
:)

we do the same like you have written and yes you are correct with the "They usually kiss elders' right hand to show one's respect"

[Kaptan-i Derya]

It is very intrinsic aspect of Uzbek national culture to greet somebody with full salutation and especially clasping one's hand with another's both hands and putting right hand to chest. I guess Turks do it in imitation to us, right ;) ? They usually kiss elders' right hand to show one's respect, don't they?

That putting right hand to chest we dont do it after shaking hands, arabs and iranians do that but the rest is the same.

[Qarama]

That putting right hand to chest we dont do it after shaking hands, arabs and iranians do that but the rest is the same.

what i wanted to say is, if you for example go into a turkish coffeehouse you'll gona greet the people their and the first thing you do is to say Selamunaleykum and put your right hand to your chest automaticly.

[Sigma]

That putting right hand to chest we dont do it after shaking hands, arabs and iranians do that but the rest is the same.

Haven't noticed this very custom after Arabs; usually they shake hands, then embrace and kiss or rather touch each other's cheeks. And definitely they salute one before and after meeting.

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Haven't noticed this very custom after Arabs; usually they shake hands, then embrace and kiss or rather touch each other's cheeks. And definitely they salute one before and after meeting.

I know arabs very well, you wouldnt get a salute from them in the first place if they see you but they do it when they see other arabs. But we think more of "umma" then they think, the way they think "umma" is only arabs and nothing else. We salute everybody who's muslim unlike them. A note, they will salute you if you first salute them.

I never seen an arab kissing eachother when meating or something else, maybe i did miss that part but to be honest didnt see it in my entire life.
We do kiss eachother if we see a relative or friend that we didnt see for a long time, 3 times a kiss or touching with cheeks after shaking hands :)

[UzbekGirlie]

I lived in Istanbul for a long time and it felt like Uzbekistan but a little more modern... As far as the culture it is very similar to Uzbek culture but has a European twist... But while living there it felt like living at home...And i must say i love Turkey.:D

[Kaptan-i Derya]

I lived in Istanbul for a long time and it felt like Uzbekistan but a little more modern... As far as the culture it is very similar to Uzbek culture but has a European twist... But while living there it felt like living at home...And i must say i love Turkey.:D

So as someone who lived in Turkey, you can sum up some similarities cant you?

[UzbekGirlie]

So as someone who lived in Turkey, you can sum up some similarities cant you?

Huh? Your question makes no sense. U want me to sum up all the similarities?

[Qarama]

Huh? Your question makes no sense. U want me to sum up all the similarities?

sum up :D maths loool

maybe you can share with us your opinions about some common traditions/ similarities :)

[Kaptan-i Derya]

Huh? Your question makes no sense. U want me to sum up all the similarities? /me says*djeezes, do people around here have an allergy against the word "some"* :D

Not all of them, just some of them :)

[Tabriz_Han]

Importance to tea :D

Importance to music, my Afganistan Ozbek Turk friend told me that Ozbek Turks have local events where music is played, lovely food is made, the neighbours meet up. I think it's called Meshrep. We have the same among Iran/Azerbaycan and Turkey Turks, like Sira Geceleri and so on.

You have AkSakals, there is similar systems like Ahilik traditions.

more to come.....

[blogger]

Uzbeks loves guests!
Especially in regions. If you go to one of your friend in these regions you have to vizit not less 3 or 4 homes, his friends and relatives do not allow you to leave them without visit their homes. :lol:

Would Someone write about turkish weddings? I heard from my friend there is no foods in turkish weddings. Is it right?

[UzbekGirlie]

/me says*djeezes, do people around here have an allergy against the word "some"* :D

Not all of them, just some of them :)

Because i meant to sum up not some up... Nothing to do with allegies, has to do with using right words....

[dauphin]

I don't think there is like big similarity. There must be some though.

[inDecision]

Uzbek male friends usually don't kiss each other when they meet, but this could be seen among some of them nowadays (but public attitude towards it is negative)
When greeting older women, younger men bring their right shoulder closer to that woman and she usually slightly slaps(don't know whether i used right word) it.
Traditionally if you are going somebody's house you need to bring at least two breads (lepeshka) and if you are hosting someone you should at least make tea and set up table for him (if the guest is in a hurry, then he/she usually takes a little leaf of bread and eats it before leaving(it is symbolic))
about hospitality it is true, but you may not see it in big cities, but in suburbs, you will be forced to eat a lot. Especially, in villages if you are special guest or havent seen that people for a long, they would probably slaughter a ship and prepare you food from its meat.

[Qarama]

YouTube - Turkish/Uzbek Wedding
:)

kuyov kelinni uyidan to'yga olib ketishi uchun kelganda karnay surnay chalinadimi?

[Uzbekistan2010]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ggcpNlwQc
:)

kuyov kelinni uyidan to'yga olib ketishi uchun kelganda karnay surnay chalinadimi?

Uzbekistanning barcha viloyatlarida bu udum bor. yani chalinadi. Horazmda surnay chalinadi:)

[AFANDI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ggcpNlwQc
:)

kuyov kelinni uyidan to'yga olib ketishi uchun kelganda karnay surnay chalinadimi?
gelin damadin evine mumkunse at uzerinde gider. ee sizde yok iste :lol:

[Abu-Hafiza]

gelin damadin evine mumkunse at uzerinde gider. ee sizde yok iste :lol:
Oka yangi asrdamiza, hozir otni o'rnini limuzinu mersedeslar egallagan.

Eshitishimcha horazmda "to'y troleybuslari" bor ekan, bilganlar aytib berishsa yaxhsi bulardi :D

[Qarama]

gelin damadin evine mumkunse at uzerinde gider. ee sizde yok iste :lol:

bizde ham bor!
http://forum.arbuz.com/showpost.php?p=574443&postcount=17

[AFANDI]

Oka yangi asrdamiza, hozir otni o'rnini limuzinu mersedeslar egallagan.

Eshitishimcha horazmda "to'y troleybuslari" bor ekan, bilganlar aytib berishsa yaxhsi bulardi :D


e bilamiz rais biz betta uzimizni eski qadriyatlarda shunayku
shuni aytmokchiydim.

[Zuhra1234]

i want to share some uzbek wedding traditions: We need to have a lot of money to have make wedding. therefore parents gather a lot of things like= 40 kuroas, 30 tushks ( special things to sit on and sleep) and many other things for budget and kitchen it calls= dowerless. In german language Aussteuer. For parents of groom. for close wedding is very expensive. During the whole life, parents save their money for doing beautiful dowries and wedding party for their doughter and son.

[Qarama]

i want to share some uzbek wedding traditions: We need to have a lot of money to have make wedding. therefore parents gather a lot of things like= 40 kuroas, 30 tushks ( special things to sit on and sleep) and many other things for budget and kitchen it calls= dowerless. In german language Aussteuer. For parents of groom. for close wedding is very expensive. During the whole life, parents save their money for doing beautiful dowries and wedding party for their doughter and son.

the same with turkish families :)

[Zuhra1234]

can you tell me how the turky weeding tradition is.. just curisously to know it

[Zuhra1234]

quick reply thanks Bakma..i quess also that the turk and uzbek weeding and other tradition are the same or similar.

[Qarama]

can you tell me how the turkish weeding tradition is.. just curisously to know it

well...
the turkish wedding traditions are almost the same with uzbek traditions. So far i have learned it from uzbeks and the internet.

we for example have also the "bahshish" and that the bride steps on the bridegrooms foot, the mothers and aunts for example go together shopping before wedding etc.

i'm sure that you have seen some turkish weddings :) but about the things before the wedding begins not. For example that the brother(s) of the bride wait infront of the door when the groom and his family come to the brides house and want to bring her to the wedding salon. The brother(s) then want money (bahshis) otherwise they will not open the door :)

[Zuhra1234]

Yes i was very often in turkish weddings..but the things in Background i was not near by.

[Qarama]

i see, maybe you'll be able to see the things which happen in the backround one day inshAllah :)

naja ich gehe jetzt wir schreiben uns und viele viele grьЯe an du weisst schon wen :)

gaplashguncha

[Qarama]

could you guys please write some Uzbek proverbs?

eski hamam eski ta$ :)

[Sagittarius]

if you are doing maintenance work in your house, everyone asks whether someone from the family is marrying. It is usual to renew everything before wedding.

[El Greco]

Italians kiss only "mafiosa"s hand but never touch to their forehand after they kiss

"Kissing older's hands" is our culture.Not the christians.

Other traditions:

-Pouring water after someone leaving home
-attaching a piece of cotton to known religious persons's grave,and willing something to happen
-buying a gift if you have visited a place,when you are returning home
-"wanting" the girl from her family,when u have intetion to marry
-"putting lots of sugar" inside the coffee,if u marry him,putting "salt" inside the coffee if u dont wanna marry him
-attaching money to persons's clothes while they r getting married,at the wedding party
-unfortunately,playing with the guns at wedding party
-unfortunately,playing with the guns after the football matches
-accepting BJK as the greatest group of football,accepting FB as the worst one
i will add more as far as i remember

theese are traditions we have in Greece too it's not Turkish copyright:)

[Qarama]

don't forget the 400years co existing :)

[El Greco]

don't forget the 400years co existing :)

U see my point in the other thread? It doesnt have to be same nationality to have common traditions

[Qarama]

Uzbeks and Turks live thousands of km away from each other we had not so many contacts since the last hundred of years. But we have still many things in common. If someone would say that we don't have so many common things then she/he lies.

[El Greco]

Uzbeks and Turks live thousands of km away from each other we had not so many contacts since the last hundred of years. But we have still many things in common. If someone would say that we don't have so many common things then she/he lies.

Do u look like Uzbek? Have u seen Uzbeks from close?2 nations had no relations for 1000years.Besides U-stan had been part of Soviet Union for 80 years this change a lot the whole thing about many parts of everyday life even religion was affected seriously

[Uyyonli]

Do u look like Uzbek? Have u seen Uzbeks from close?
have u come hear to talk bull about us? go back to your greece,

[El Greco]

have u come hear to talk bull about us? go back to your greece,
Men i have visited yr country and i'm not saying bull as u say.
I wanna ask u 1 thing just one. Did Uzbek people were mixted with other national groups since midieval times or not? I want a straight and clear answer. Thank you

[Uyyonli]

Men i have visited yr country and i'm not saying bull as u say.
I wanna ask u 1 thing just one. Did Uzbek people were mixted with other national groups since midieval times or not? I want a straight and clear answer. Thank you
yes.
but what's the point?:rolleyes:

[Tabriz_Han]

El_Greco
theese are traditions we have in Greece too it's not Turkish copyright


You have them in Greece because Turks who bought their language, culture and identity from the regions including O'zbekistan ruled the region for a millenia.

That is why you eat "Dolmas", "Borek", "Shish Kebab" (Shashlik), drink "Ayran", "Chay", "Kefir", play the Bouzouki which is derived from the "Bozuk saz" which was adopted from the instruments of the Bozok Turkmens, dance the Zeybek and enjoy the stories of Nasreddin Khodja...

This post is about O'zbekistn and Turkeys traditions, don't try to hijack the post, you can open a seperate post about Greek-Turkic traditions if you want.

[El Greco]

[edit] History

In ancient times, various Altaic-speaking tribes began to move to the area between the Amu Darya (Oxus in Greek) and Syr Darya (Jaxartes in Greek) rivers. Some of these early tribes included the Huns who eventually occupied this region around the 3rd century BC and continued their conquests further south and west.
What drastically changed the demographics of Central Asia was the invasion of the Mongols led by Genghis Khan in the 13th century. Numerous native populations were wiped out by the Mongols and a process of population replacement began in earnest. During this period numerous Turkic tribes began to migrate and ultimately replace many of the Iranian peoples who were largely killed, absorbed by larger Turco-Mongolian groups[citation needed], and/or pushed further south and Central Asia came to be known as Turkestan. Much of modern Uzbekistan took shape during the reign of Tamerlane, a prominent Turco-Mongolian conqueror who reigned over a vast empire from his capital at Samarkand. Later, between the 15th and 16th centuries, various nomadic tribes arrived from the steppes including the Kipchaks, Naymans, Kanglis, Kungrats, Manġits and others and these tribes were led by Muhammad Shaybani who was the Khan of the Uzbeks. This period marked the beginnings of the modern Uzbek nationality and formation of an Uzbek state in what is today Uzbekistan, as these tribes were the first to use the name 'Uzbek'. This early Uzbek state challenged the Safavids and Mughals, for control over Khorasan (modern Afghanistan).
Until 1924, the bulk of the settled Turkic population of Russian Turkestan, who were of very heterogeneous descent, were known as Sarts by the colonial authorities, and only those groups speaking Kipchak dialects who had arrived in the region with Muhammad Shaybani Khan were called 'Uzbeks'. In 1924, when the new Uzbek SSR was created, the Soviets abolished the term 'Sart' and decreed that all settled Turkic speakers would henceforth be known as Uzbeks. Uzbekistan, under Russian and then later Soviet administration, became multi-ethnic as populations from throughout the former Soviet Union moved (or were exiled) to Central Asia. Now, people of Uzbek nationality can be found with different characteristics, from light skinned to dark toned skin colors, from blue eyes to black eyes, from blonds to brunettes.

[edit] Language

The Uzbek language is an Altaic language and is part of Karluk group of Turkic languages. Modern Uzbek bears the closest resemblance to Uyghur, slightly less so to Kazakh, Turkmen and, more distantly, to Turkish. Modern Uzbek is written in wide variety of scripts including Arabic, Latin, and Cyrillic. After the independence of Uzbekistan from the former Soviet Union, the government decided to replace the Cyrillic script with a modified Latin alphabet, specifically for Turkic languages.
Modern Uzbek has also absorbed a considerable vocabulary and - to a much lesser degree - certain grammatical elements from non-Turk languages, most of all from Persian as well as Arabic and Russian among others.


[edit] Genetic origins

The modern Uzbek population represents varying degrees of diversity derived from the high traffic invasion routes through Central Asia. Once populated by Iranian tribes and other Indo-European peoples, Central Asia experienced numerous invasions emanating out of Mongolia that would drastically impact the region. According to recent Genetic genealogy testing from a University of Chicago study, the Uzbeks cluster somewhere between the Mongols and the Iranian peoples:

From the 3d century B.C., Central Asia experienced nomadic expansions of Altaic-speaking East Asian-looking people, and their incursions continued for hundreds of years, beginning with the Hsiung-Nu (who may be ancestors of the Huns), in 300 B.C., and followed by the Turks, in the 1st millennium A.D., and the Mongol expansions of the 13th century. High levels of haplogroup 10 and its derivative, haplogroup 36, are found in most of the Altaic-speaking populations and are a good indicator of the genetic impact of these nomadic groups. The expanding waves of Altaic-speaking nomads involved not only eastern Central Asia, where their genetic contribution is strong, as is shown in figure 7d but also regions farther west, like Iran, Iraq, Anatolia, and the Caucasus, as well as Europe, which was reached by both the Huns and the Mongols. In these western regions, however, the genetic contribution is low or undetectable (Wells et al. 2001), even though the power of these invaders was sometimes strong enough to impose a language replacement, as in Turkey and Azerbaijan (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). The difference could be due to the population density of the different geographical areas. Eastern regions of Central Asia must have had a low population density at the time, so an external contribution could have had a great genetic impact. In contrast, the western regions were more densely inhabited, and it is likely that the existing populations were more numerous than the conquering nomads, therefore leading to only a small genetic impact. Thus, the admixture estimate from northeast Asia is high in the east, but is barely detectable west of Uzbekistan. [5]

The Uzbek population, according to this study, shows substantial Mongol admixture. The Uzbeks display a somewhat closer genetic relationship with Turkic-Mongols than with Iranic populations to the south and west.
Another study out of Uzbekistan corroborates this genetic evidence as to the origins of the modern Uzbeks and other regional Turk peoples:

These migrations are reflected in the DNA, too, and it is clear that despite the majority of modern Central Asians speaking Turk languages, they derive much of their genetic heritage from the conquering Mongol warriors of Genghis Khan. [6]

The Turkic peoples as a whole share common languages and many common cultural traits, but do not have common origins. The Uzbeks are descended to a large degree from Turk-Mongol invaders whose invasions span literally millennia from the first millennium CE with the early migrations of the Gцktьrks to later invasions by the Uzbeks themselves during the early and mid period of the 2nd millennium. Throughout the centuries, these migrating Altaic peoples began to outnumber the native Iranian peoples of Central Asia and appear to have assimilated the vast majority through intermarriage, while mainly the Tajiks survived albeit with some Turk intermingling as well. Thus, in the case of Uzbekistan and most other Central Asian states, it was not only a process of language replacement, such as what took place in Turkey and Azerbaijan, but also a mass migration and population replacement that helped to shape the modern Turk peoples of Uzbekistan and other Central Asian states.
Wikipedia

[El Greco]

You have them in Greece because Turks who bought their language, culture and identity from the regions including O'zbekistan ruled the region for a millenia.

That is why you eat "Dolmas", "Borek", "Shish Kebab" (Shashlik), drink "Ayran", "Chay", "Kefir", play the Bouzouki which is derived from the "Bozuk saz" which was adopted from the instruments of the Bozok Turkmens, dance the Zeybek and enjoy the stories of Nasreddin Khodja...

This post is about O'zbekistn and Turkeys traditions, don't try to hijack the post, you can open a seperate post about Greek-Turkic traditions if you want.

Maybe some of them,other i honestly believe might have been universal(like shaking one's hand)
I repeat once again that Greeks have adapted in their every day life some habbits or traditions of Turkish otomans, we gave them as an exchange some of our own and that is all.:cool:

[Tabriz_Han]

El_Greco
The Turkic peoples as a whole share common languages and many common cultural traits, but do not have common origins.


This is a pointless comment, the old yeah they're similar but its just a big coincidence story...

All humans have the same origins, if we go back far enough we all have the same origins.

Turkic peoples origins as Turkic peoples can be traced to the first socio-cultural-linguistic groupings of peoples who developed what is now known as Turkic. This has a common origin, it has nothing to do with concepts of "race", were all part of the human race after all.



El_Greco
I repeat once again that Greeks have adapted in their every day life some habbits or traditions of Turkish otomans, we gave them as an exchange some of our own and that is all


Greeks passed on much of the sea culture to the Turks, the names for many of the fishes and seafood is of Greek origin.

The point I was making is that, the Turks bought there language, culture, history, identity with them from what is now including modern day O'zbekistan. This is why there are similarities with Ozbekistan and other Turkic states. The culture also spread to neighbours and aspects of neighbours cultures were borrowed by Turks.

[Uyyonli]

I edited this. I didn't want to disrespect anyone. and carry on ;)

[Qarama]

Do u look like Uzbek? Have u seen Uzbeks from close?2 nations had no relations for 1000years.Besides U-stan had been part of Soviet Union for 80 years this change a lot the whole thing about many parts of everyday life even religion was affected seriously

you were in Uzbekistan and now you are an Uzbek expert, cool.

I'm very interested in Uzbekistan, the country, the music, the people, the history just everything i love them!
Since 4 years i'm a member of this forum, i learn the language and i know a lot. I have uzbek friends, i off course saw Uzbeks from close. And this Uzbeks told me that i look like an Uzbek.

1000 years no relations? ever heard about the Uzbek & Ottoman relationship for example against the Safavids? ever knew that Mekka and Medina was turkish for hundred of years and that people from todays Uzbekistan made pilgrims to this holy citys through ottoman lands? or the Turkestani martyrs? which fought with the turks, against all those nations which tried to conquer Anatolia?

let us say that there was no relations since 1000 years then why do we still have so many things in common?

and here are some pictures for you, who is a turk who is an uzbek

http://www.lokmanbas.com/uploads/serdarortac.jpg
http://www.aydinses.com/haberresim/23080604.jpg
http://s7.directupload.net/images/080220/9pwfvemi.jpg
http://s7.directupload.net/images/080220/7nwvyq5n.jpg
http://www.webaslan.com/images/haber/2003/necati_transfer.jpg

[El Greco]

This is a pointless comment, the old yeah they're similar but its just a big coincidence story...

All humans have the same origins, if we go back far enough we all have the same origins.

Turkic peoples origins as Turkic peoples can be traced to the first socio-cultural-linguistic groupings of peoples who developed what is now known as Turkic. This has a common origin, it has nothing to do with concepts of "race", were all part of the human race after all.




Greeks passed on much of the sea culture to the Turks, the names for many of the fishes and seafood is of Greek origin.

The point I was making is that, the Turks bought there language, culture, history, identity with them from what is now including modern day O'zbekistan. This is why there are similarities with Ozbekistan and other Turkic states. The culture also spread to neighbours and aspects of neighbours cultures were borrowed by Turks.

Genetic origins

The modern Uzbek population represents varying degrees of diversity derived from the high traffic invasion routes through Central Asia. Once populated by Iranian tribes and other Indo-European peoples, Central Asia experienced numerous invasions emanating out of Mongolia that would drastically impact the region. According to recent Genetic genealogy testing from a University of Chicago study, the Uzbeks cluster somewhere between the Mongols and the Iranian peoples:

It's not my bla bla bla gentlemen.It's scientific project based on DNA of habitants of Uzbekistan. Basicly says that Uzbeks today seem to be another Turkish trieb considering their language origin,and coultoual traits but..
However, national background of modern Uzbeks seems to be a little tricky:)
Today's U-stan story is a lot more complicated of what we thought up to day.
It appears that in midieval times arround 13th century when Mongols surrounded the whole Central Asia(and killed or pushed to excile other inhabitant nations), Turkish triebs took over(coultoural and linguistic) the countries dominated by Mongols and forced theese nations to incorporate their language.
This of course is the result of dna analysis and does not mean that modern Uzbeks can't feel Turkish or whatever.It is their right to believe so.

[Qarama]

you forgot that before Genghis Khan and his Mongols came, turkic people settled in central Asia before.
Ever heard about the Seljuqs, Ghaznevids, Gokturks?
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/8c/400px-Gokturkut.png
Gokturk khaganates at their height, c. 600 CE

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Seldschuken-Reich-map.png
map of the Seljuq empire, you can see that todays Uzbekistan was a part of it. 1037 – 1194

when did Genghis Khan arrived to Uzbekistan? Uzbeks are between Mongols and Persians? Who are the turkic people then?


i don't want that my thread turns into an offtopic thread could the mods please delete the posts from #55 on? or someone should open a new thread about this issue thanks.

[Tabriz_Han]

El_Greco
It's not my bla bla bla gentlemen.It's scientific project based on DNA of habitants of Uzbekistan. Basicly says that Uzbeks today seem to be another Turkish trieb considering their language origin,and coultoual traits but..


DNA and Genetics has no relation to nationhood, somebody is not part of a nation due to "DNA" its because of language, identity, culture, history, tribes/clans and other socio-cultural factors.

Your same source writes this

The Uzbek population, according to this study, shows substantial Mongol admixture. The Uzbeks display a somewhat closer genetic relationship with Turkic-Mongols than with Iranic populations to the south and west.
Another study out of Uzbekistan corroborates this genetic evidence as to the origins of the modern Uzbeks and other regional Turk peoples

Were all human, if we go far back enough we all have the same ancestors.
Basing who is who upon DNA is nothing but racism.



However, national background of modern Uzbeks seems to be a little tricky:)
Today's U-stan story is a lot more complicated of what we thought up to day.
It appears that in midieval times arround 13th century when Mongols surrounded the whole Central Asia(and killed or pushed to excile other inhabitant nations), Turkish triebs took over(coultoural and linguistic) the countries dominated by Mongols and forced theese nations to incorporate their language.

The Mongol expansion caused a mass-migration, most of the Turkic refugees went to todays Iran, Azerbaycan and Turkey, most the Iranics went to Iran. The Turks that stayed were joined by a Turkic migration with the Mongol expansion, the Mongols were assimilated by the Turks. Iranics that stayed were the Tajiks.

[El Greco]

you forgot that before Genghis Khan and his Mongols came, turkic people settled in central Asia before.
Ever heard about the Seljuqs, Ghaznevids, Gokturks?

That is not quite correct my friend!
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/8c/400px-Gokturkut.png
Gokturk khaganates at their height, c. 600 CE

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Seldschuken-Reich-map.png
map of the Seljuq empire, you can see that todays Uzbekistan was a part of it. 1037 – 1194

when did Genghis Khan arrived to Uzbekistan? Uzbeks are between Mongols and Persians? Who are the turkic people then?

DNA analyssis proove there is some genetic familiarship to Turcik triebs,however it definatelly prooves that modern Uzbek people have strong blood line from Persian and Mongol nations:)


i don't want that my thread turns into an offtopic thread could the mods please delete the posts from #55 on? or someone should open a new thread about this issue thanks.

Maybe we over done it a bit i think u r write.:)

[El Greco]

DNA and Genetics has no relation to nationhood, somebody is not part of a nation due to "DNA" its because of language, identity, culture, history, tribes/clans and other socio-cultural factors.

Your same source writes this

The Uzbek population, according to this study, shows substantial Mongol admixture. The Uzbeks display a somewhat closer genetic relationship with Turkic-Mongols than with Iranic populations to the south and west.
Another study out of Uzbekistan corroborates this genetic evidence as to the origins of the modern Uzbeks and other regional Turk peoples

Were all human, if we go far back enough we all have the same ancestors.
Basing who is who upon DNA is nothing but racism.





The Mongol expansion caused a mass-migration, most of the Turkic refugees went to todays Iran, Azerbaycan and Turkey, most the Iranics went to Iran. The Turks that stayed were joined by a Turkic migration with the Mongol expansion, the Mongols were assimilated by the Turks. Iranics that stayed were the Tajiks.

Some were trying to present Uzbeks as originally Turks from blood which not true. My post is not nazistic come on! It's just another perception. I couldn't upload all the text cause it was too long and sum of charachters can't be more than 10000:).

[El Greco]

"The Mongol expansion caused a mass-migration, most of the Turkic refugees went to todays Iran, Azerbaycan and Turkey, most the Iranics went to Iran. The Turks that stayed were joined by a Turkic migration with the Mongol expansion, the Mongols were assimilated by the Turks. Iranics that stayed were the Tajiks."

Today somebody can observe the difference along Turks.Some have mongolic charachteristics and some certainly indo-kaukasian while others more dark-skinned Persian

[Demir Kağan]

Are you a joke?

[El Greco]

Are you a joke?

Brrrrrrrrrrr , is it cold or is it my idea?

[Tabriz_Han]

El_Greco
Some were trying to present Uzbeks as originally Turks from blood which not true.

Is Turks blood orange or something?
All blood runs red, these arguments are redundant and out of date.

There is no such thing as Greek blood, Turk blood etc, its not blood that makes somebody a part of a nation.

If your referring to tribes, O'zbek was a tribal confederation of mainly Turkic and some Turkified Mongol tribes.

El_Greco
DNA analyssis proove there is some genetic familiarship to Turcik triebs,however it definatelly prooves that modern Uzbek people have strong blood line from Persian and Mongol nations

This DNA argument is nonsense.

You could argue the complete opposite, there are only 10 million Mongols and 50-100 million Persians/Iranics in the world while there are 180-200 million Turkic peoples. The same argument can be used that Persians and Mongols have blood lines from Turks.

[El Greco]

Is Turks blood orange or something?
All blood runs red, these arguments are redundant and out of date.

There is no such thing as Greek blood, Turk blood etc, its not blood that makes somebody a part of a nation.

If your referring to tribes, O'zbek was a tribal confederation of mainly Turkic and some Turkified Mongol tribes.

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This DNA argument is nonsense.

You could argue the complete opposite, there are only 10 million Mongols and 50-100 million Persians/Iranics in the world while there are 180-200 million Turkic peoples. The same argument can be used that Persians and Mongols have blood lines from Turks.

I'm sorry i have made clear my perspective in previous post. I certainly do not think that nations are based only in blood line.
There was some argument here based on behalf of me in purely scientific nd historical prooves.

If your referring to tribes, O'zbek was a tribal confederation of mainly Turkic and some Turkified Mongol tribes.

Turkified this is what i mean thanks for help:) Something like that is still in use in an area of Greece where Muslims resident.This area is Western Thrace and its residents vary from Greeks to Muslim Turks and Muslim Pomak. Pomaks by nationality have nothing to do with Greeks or Turks but Muslim Turks of Greece and state of Turkey are trying years by years to incorporate them with propaganda that they are Turkic origin,just because they are also Muslim.

I strongly believe that something opposite has been used in Central Asia,especially when i read non-greek bibliography that demonstrates this option.

[Uyyonli]

I'm sorry i have made clear my perspective in previous post. I certainly do not think that nations are based only in blood line.
There was some argument here based on behalf of me in purely scientific nd historical prooves.

If your referring to tribes, O'zbek was a tribal confederation of mainly Turkic and some Turkified Mongol tribes.

Turkified this is what i mean thanks for help:) Something like that is still in use in an area of Greece where Muslims resident.This area is Western Thrace and its residents vary from Greeks to Muslim Turks and Muslim Pomak. Pomaks by nationality have nothing to do with Greeks or Turks but Muslim Turks of Greece and state of Turkey are trying years by years to incorporate them with propaganda that they are Turkic origin,just because they are also Muslim.

I strongly believe that something opposite has been used in Central Asia,especially when i read non-greek bibliography that demonstrates this option.
dude stop it. we r not here to offtop and talk about some genetics. we are here to talk about tradition. I know that Uzbeks share some stuff with greeks to but this thread is about Uzbek-Turkish.
and why do u always go to thread where there is a discustion with Turkics/Turkish? PM me with answer as I don't want to continue this offtop here. And by the way we like Turkish brother and we take everything u say against them/us the same as u say smth about us.
Forza Greece ;)

[Qarama]

Uzbek musical instruments
YouTube - Uzbekistan Instruments & Music @ GlobalCAFE

Turkish musical instruments
YouTube - TURKISH MUSIC/OGUZ OZCAN KTГњ

[satik]

turkcha muzika sel qildiyu...

[Dilya87]

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