Есть деньги, но куда их вложить?

[noodles]

Приветствую всех,

Я не очень разбираюсь в экономике, но я уверен, что многие из вас обладают хорошими знаниями в этой области.

У меня такой вопрос – если есть деньги, куда их вложить? Чем можно заниматься в Узбекистане и на сколько это реально/выгодно? Какие проблемы могут возникать и какого величина риска? И почему именно эта деятельность принесёт реальный доход?

У кого какие предложения?

[Prince]

Genius ,
It depends , how much u have , how much u want to invest , how much return u want? if u answer my question , i'll try to help u

[noodles]

Well, let's say about $4-5 million, so what do you suggest?

[Delf]

Do not invest it in Uzbekistan.
Or maybe only invest if your investment is insured by foreign investment insurance agency.

There may easily be another CabMin resolution killing your business overnight.

Delf.

[Prince]

1) Buy Bonds/CDs in US or in Europe u'll get at least 5%/year 5MX5%=$250000 a year , u can survive with that money in Tashkent(uzbekistan)
2) Mojno importom zanyatsa , esli u tebya takie dengi to lyubogo mojno "polomat" , naprimer vvesti mojno s Turcii Stoy Material , s Krasnoyara - GipsKarton , s Dubaya - Medel/Santehniku -> average return on these things are more then 25%!!!
3) Investirovat mojno ne v Uzbekistane a za granicoy , doputim v Emiratax ili v USA
4) Proizvodstvo!? Pomoymu ne realno i ne vigodno chtto proizvodit v Uzbekistane , poskolku vigodnee importirovat!!!
5) Real Estate - and rent it out!

Pochemuta vse dumayut v Uzbekistane vse trudno i ne vigodno investirovat dengi , pomoymu vse mojno , vezde mojno , v Uzbekistane mojno zarabativat te dengi kotorie mnogie zarabativayut za granicey , prosto nado znat KUDA , KOGDA i KAK investirovat dengi!!! vot i vse!

[Martingale]

4) Proizvodstvo!? Pomoymu ne realno i ne vigodno chtto proizvodit v Uzbekistane , poskolku vigodnee importirovat!!!


How do you know that?:rolleyes: Have you invested your money in production and it didn't work out?

Real Estate - and rent it out!
If you are talking about buying an apartment and renting it out, how many apartments do you suggest him to buy for 5 million? 200 or more?:lol:


1) Buy Bonds/CDs in US or in Europe u'll get at least 5%/year 5MX5%=$250000 a year , u can survive with that money in Tashkent(uzbekistan)
3) Investirovat mojno ne v Uzbekistane a za granicoy , doputim v Emiratax ili v USA


Im sure his question was where to invest in Uzbekistan.

p.s. Based on very limited information I have, I don't wanna make any suggestions on where specifically to invest.

[Prince]

Laziz proizvodstvo -zanimalis uje , ne tak uj vigodno!!!
real estate does not mean - Apartment! Student! :P Yana orgatishim kerede , san REAL ESTATE diganda uyni tushunmagin , Taxini ushisan nAvoi kochasiga borasan , oshatta sotilvotgan dokonlarni narhini bir sorab surishtir , agar eng "xapa" sini 250000ga topsen hursan bogin , lekin ortacha narhi 1/2 million , ana oshandan 5 tasini osen 2.5M pul ketti uje , oyiga yaxshi pul tolashadi rent uchun !!!
2nd option: "Parkenskiy" bozorga borsen , ohirida katta katta stroy material sotadigan dokonla bor , officalniy narhi 25ming + shapka + beradigan puli bilan 100 000 ga boradi , dokon razmeri 6 ga 6 metr, osha joydan 5 ta joy osen , oyiga rentga bersen , bozordigila 1000$ tolashvotti monthly !!!! Lets say u buy 5 for 0.5M , every month u'll get 5000$ -> yearly return on investment 60000/500000 =12% , easy money! huh? ( bu xam real estate hisoblanadi)
3) Proizvodtsvo bosa nima ish qilasan? Birinchidan ubu kimda 5M cash bolishi juda qiyin masala, ming 5M cash bogani bilan 10% dan kop return boladigan proizvodtsvo bizada ishga tushurish qiyin!!!! Zakaz somsa qilib sotmisanu 5M pulin bosa togrimi? Zakaz somsada Return 35% :)
The best thing , the best "hint" and help: Connections , connections , connections , good friends-> guarantuee success!! If u have 5M cash and if u dont have connections or reliable friends , u cant do that much!
P.S Hozir bozordagi aravakash xarppiyam tanishi bomasa ishlashi qiyin!

[Prince]

Ok 5M is easy and not everyone has 5M like Genius does :P
Lets say 10K, 20,50K, 100K - what u suggest?

[noodles]

Mojno importom zanyatsa , esli u tebya takie dengi to lyubogo mojno "polomat" , naprimer vvesti mojno s Turcii Stoy Material , s Krasnoyara - GipsKarton , s Dubaya - Medel/Santehniku -> average return on these things are more then 25%!!!

А что там насчет налога? Или просто так пропустят?

3) Investirovat mojno ne v Uzbekistane a za granicoy , doputim v Emiratax ili v USA
Для этого ты должен знать тамошний рынок сбыта, надо там провести маркетинговое исследование и т.д., или нет?

[noodles]

Based on very limited information I have, I don't wanna make any suggestions on where specifically to invest.
What else do you wanna know? Just ask me, and I'll provide.

[noodles]

Laziz proizvodstvo -zanimalis uje , ne tak uj vigodno!!!

А чем именно, можно узнать?

[Prince]

Genius , once again it depends , do u have connections? NO , Friends? who did it before? NO , then i can tell u :)
1) Na stroy material tamojnie poshlini ne takie uj visoki no ti doljen dokozat im chto v Uzbekistane ne proizvodyat to chto ti vvezesh s Tursii dopustim! Vanna dopustim ,Djakuzi - u nas takoe ne proizvodyat , ty predostavlaesh im pismo/i vse dokumenti kotorie mogut dokozat chto ty prav , a potom uje rastamajivay na zdarovie , nikakix problem TAX + SHAPKA , u are done
2) 70% kotorie vezut tovar delayut: Toest ty rastamajivaesh toka chast svoego tovara i daesh vzyatku , a potom uje prodaesh svoy tovar , kogda nalogovaya inspeksia pridet k tebe , ty pokajesh im tu chast kotoruyu ty rastamajival!! Toest tebe vigodno kogda ty vse eto prodaesh optom , no imeey vvidu esli u tebya net dokumenty ty ne mojesh prodat firme poskolku oni mogut potrebovat ot tebya dokumenty ot rastamojki a ix u tebya ne budut!
3) A teper podumay ty rastamajival vse officalno 100% a te kotorie ne rastamajivali ( ili rastamajivali toka chast tovara)u nix vihodit tsena deshevlee , vihodit tebe ne vigodno prodaovat , pravilno? vot zdes tvoi 5 M pomogut!!! Toest ty mojesh pozvolit prodovat deshevlee chem oni poskolku u tebya kolichestvo bolshe chem u nix!!
P.S U have to know rule of game and how to play the game!!! If u know these two things - u can make good money in UZB!!!

[Martingale]

Laziz proizvodstvo -zanimalis uje , ne tak uj vigodno!!! So where did you invest if not secret?
real estate does not mean - Apartment!
well, that was one of the options at hand.:)
Yana orgatishim kerede
Pardon, could you please remind me when was that?:P
ana oshandan 5 tasini osen 2.5M pul ketti uje , oyiga yaxshi pul tolashadi rent uchun !!!
One possible option, but why not to run your own business in those places instead of leasing them?
And by the way, make your statements to the point, no need to give directions how to get there.
2nd option: "Parkenskiy" bozorga borsen , ohirida katta katta stroy material sotadigan dokonla bor , officalniy narhi 25ming + shapka + beradigan puli bilan 100 000 ga boradi , dokon razmeri 6 ga 6 metr, osha joydan 5 ta joy osen , oyiga rentga bersen , bozordigila 1000$ tolashvotti monthly !!!! Lets say u buy 5 for 0.5M , every month u'll get 5000$ -> yearly return on investment 60000/500000 =12% , easy money! huh? ( bu xam real estate hisoblanadi)
Hup osha 500 mingi ketti, yani 1/10 qismi. Qoganini ham shunaqa mayda chuyda qilib bulib tashasinmi. Ippodrom, Alayskiy qilib. :lol: And I wouldn't say that "easy" unless you have Big Brothers there.
3) Proizvodtsvo bosa nima ish qilasan? Birinchidan ubu kimda 5M cash bolishi juda qiyin masala, ming 5M cash bogani bilan 10% dan kop return boladigan proizvodtsvo bizada ishga tushurish qiyin!!!! Zakaz somsa qilib sotmisanu 5M pulin bosa togrimi? Zakaz somsada Return 35% :)

Proizvodstvo deganda faqat zakaz somsani tushunish kerakmi?:rolleyes: Olibsotarlarey :lol:

[Prince]

Lazizhon , san bitta narsani tushungin man uzimni "Tajribam"dan kelib chikib yozvoman!!!! :) Qoganlarni bilmiman , san uzini tajriberni yoz keyin Genius-jon uziga kereli hulosa chiqarvoluradi....
Tak davom etamiz Laziz 5,10,50,100 pul bosa nima qisa boladi Uzbekistan-da?
P.S Olib sotarmas 'retailer" mi nimadur deyiladi betta US-da :)

[spoon]

Don't be a fool, folks.
If you had that much of money, would you be wasting a milisecond of your time around here?

To Genius: With USD4-5 million on hand - you can gain some huge profits by buying some shares of forum.uz the day it hits IPO soon. That way I could get paid for my job I wasn't getting a wage for years.


Have a nice day. :)

[Martingale]

What else do you wanna know? Just ask me, and I'll provide.

Genius, I meant I don't have sufficient knowledge about where to invest in Uzbekistan, cause I don't have any hands on experince with it.
But I know for sure that if you buy a real estate or any kind of property right now, you'll win in the end.

Edited: A little correction, I wanted to say 5 k not 5m. There is no bank in Uzb who can give out 5m for private business.

[Martingale]

Don't be a fool, folks.
If you had that much of money, would you be wasting a milisecond of your time around here?


Agreed.;) But the topic itself(where to invest) is worth discussing I guess.

[noodles]

If you had that much of money, would you be wasting a milisecond of your time around here?

Maybe one hasn't got that amount of money but with a good marketing research and business-plan why not to give a try to get that money?

[spoon]

Maybe one hasn't got that amount of money but with a good marketing research and business-plan why not to give a try to get that money?

I think the prerequisite for getting that money first is a TOEFL.


Have a nice day. :)

[Martingale]

Do not invest it in Uzbekistan.
Or maybe only invest if your investment is insured by foreign investment insurance agency.

There may easily be another CabMin resolution killing your business overnight.

Delf.

Haha:D
What are we talking about here? foreign investment? (which can be exposed to any kind of possible restrictions/barriers from government. )What do you mean by "insured by foreign insurance agency"? :rolleyes: Why would an uzbek investor need foreign insurance agency? Interesting.:)

What do you guys think about Prince's opinion? Is that the only way one can invest in Uzb? We always try to get around regulations and seek for easy money, dont' we?:)

[noodles]

What do you guys think about Prince's opinion? Is that the only way one can invest in Uzb? We always try to get around regulations and seek for easy money, dont' we?

Well, maybe he's right in some cases... but just imagine, you gonna bribe all the way and how can you have a normal sleep when you're not sure about your business. I think business must be a serious matter if you really wanna make a good money.

[Prince]

Hey ppl i dont get it ,
BOOOM and u want to be CEO , founder one of the major companies in UZB?
No way , it's impossible everything starts with something small!!!! DELL? How he started ? with small thing.....
ALways start with something small what u know , what u can manage....
Cheers ,

[Prince]

Lets talk about small business:
What would you run ? how much investment and what would be ur return?

[Amiri Turkiston]

Well, let's say about $4-5 million, so what do you suggest?

if it is a real case then you'll probably need to come to Uzb.
we'll help you

we have a huge amounts of investment projects that are prioretized by our government

belive me you can do a lot with this money

you'll be able even to select the most appropriate project according to your own criteria...if you have of course

for more details....please leave a message on PM

[Martingale]

BOOOM and u want to be CEO , founder one of the major companies in UZB?

Actually this is not an unusual thing in Uzb. Corect me if Im wrong.

[noodles]

There is no bank in Uzb who can give out 5m for private business.

Banks are not the only place where you can get money for a business :)

[Martingale]

Banks are not the only place where you can get money for a business :)

Not?:) Then do "other sources" require a business plan and marketing research too?:P

[noodles]

we have a huge amounts of investment projects that are prioretized by our government

belive me you can do a lot with this money

I could pm you, but I want to hear a public opinion cuz there are many users who could suggest or discuss about this matter. So, open up the cards, what projects are you talking about?

[noodles]

Not? Then do "other sources" require a business plan and marketing research too?

Yeap. You understood me right :)

[Martingale]

Amir aka, in my understanding there are two ways of rasing money for the company before going public: venture capital and private equity.
I know for sure that PE firms do not exist in Uzb. Do we have venture capitalists in Uzb? (I met one in one of the seminars at UWED. his name is Don Nickolson. Have you heard of him? He told us that he took over a plastic bottle manufacturing company in Tash. Not sure whether it still exists.)
Can you describe us what stages does a company go through before IPO and after IPO? And if you are familiar can you explain IPO process in Uzbekistan. Who is responsible first? Davlat va mulk qumitasi?:)

[noodles]

Can you describe us what stages does a company go through before IPO and after IPO?

In my very first post I mentioned that I've a mental block on economics, so would write in a human language? :)

[Martingale]

In my very first post I mentioned that I've a mental block on economics, so would write in a human language? :)

Genius,
IPO(initial public offering) is a process of selling stocks to public in order to raise some money for the first time. more info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPO)

[Amiri Turkiston]

I could pm you, but I want to hear a public opinion cuz there are many users who could suggest or discuss about this matter. So, open up the cards, what projects are you talking about?

sorry can't do it

all our project are confidential enough
and there in no projects where we are bidding openly....too risky :cool:

hope other forum members - can openly discuss their projects

good luck

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amir aka, in my understanding there are two ways of rasing money for the company before going public: venture capital and private equity.
I know for sure that PE firms do not exist in Uzb. Do we have venture capitalists in Uzb? (I met one in one of the seminars at UWED. his name is Don Nickolson. Have you heard of him? He told us that he took over a plastic bottle manufacturing company in Tash. Not sure whether it still exists.)
Can you describe us what stages does a company go through before IPO and after IPO? And if you are familiar can you explain IPO process in Uzbekistan. Who is responsible first? Davlat va mulk qumitasi?:)

Nickolson is going to leave Uzb....he now became a Head of Almaty office of his venture organization

We have some venture capitalists in Uzbekistan.....and they are big enough

they have a huge amount of money....usually they are belongs to non official billioners of Uzbekistan and of course to uzbek mafia ....so let me not clarify these companies...plz...cause I'm in Tashkent right now

[Amiri Turkiston]

and about IPO:

Can you describe us what stages does a company go through before IPO and after IPO? And if you are familiar can you explain IPO process in Uzbekistan. Who is responsible first? Davlat va mulk qumitasi?

I don't like uzbek system of IPO...cause of some reasons...and we are not doing an IPO...I mean our current company

but any way...I'll try to explain the main stages:

- first negotiations with IB;
- then IB made their investigation and assessment;
- IB will negotiate with Center for Coordination of Securities Market;
- 3 storonniy dogovor qilinadi: IB+Company+Center;
- i IPO - and they will be in public;
- qolgani brokerlarni ishi

[Vostochnaya...]

Есть деньги, но куда их вложить?

наркотраффик 4эва!!! =)

[mujreem]

sorry can't do it

all our project are confidential enough
and there in no projects where we are bidding openly....too risky :cool:
good luck

Nifiga sebe
Chto za biznes takoy?
Avtomat Kalashnikova? Yadernaya boegolovka? Ili mojet narkotiki? :)

No naskol'ko ya pomnyu to govoril chto:


if it is a real case then you'll probably need to come to Uzb.
we'll help you

we have a huge amounts of investment projects that are prioretized by our government

belive me you can do a lot with this money

Eto chto za proekti takie kotorie prioritizirovani gosudarstvom, no ochen' i ochen' riskovannie? :)
Ofiget' ne vstat'!

po topiku:
Vpervie stalkivayus' s podobnoy situaciey, u cheloveka est' den'gi, i on ne znaet vo chto vlojit'. Obichno vse bivayet naooborot, u cheloveka kucha vsyakih idey, i ne hvatayet deneg realizovat' svoi plani. :)

Soglashus' s Princom vo mnogom, no ne razdelyayu pessimisticheskiy ego nastroy.
Hotya, yedinstvennoe chto mojet posovetovat' chelovek kotoriy poterpel neudachu v chem libo, tak eto voobshe ne nachinat' delat' eto samoe chego libo! (Naschet Proizvodstva)
A vse chto kasayetsya ostal'nih "biznes proektov" predlojennih Princom, vse eto nastol'ko banal'no chto aj skuchno. Yesli kto libo postavil pered soboy real'nuyu cel' zarabotat' bol'shiye den'gi, to nujno pridumat' chto libo original'noe.
V Uzbekistan mojno vkladivat' den'gi. V Uzbekistan nujno vkladivat' den'gi! Kuda i kak? A eto doljen kajdiy sam pridumat'.
Ne hvataet mozgov, togda deystvitel'no ne stoit riskovat'.

wa'assalam

[Martingale]

Mujreem, banks do not disclose such kinds of information. That's why, A. T. said it's risky to talk about the projects openly. It's all about the competition. :) Does ABN AMRO tell NBU how much they are charging on their interbank loans? hell, no!
Government does support startup companies(common sense), that's most probably what he meant.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Nifiga sebe
Chto za biznes takoy?
Avtomat Kalashnikova? Yadernaya boegolovka? Ili mojet narkotiki? :)


po topiku:
Vpervie stalkivayus' s podobnoy situaciey, u cheloveka est' den'gi, i on ne znaet vo chto vlojit'. Obichno vse bivayet naooborot, u cheloveka kucha vsyakih idey, i ne hvatayet deneg realizovat' svoi plani. :)

Soglashus' s Princom vo mnogom, no ne razdelyayu pessimisticheskiy ego nastroy.
Hotya, yedinstvennoe chto mojet posovetovat' chelovek kotoriy poterpel neudachu v chem libo, tak eto voobshe ne nachinat' delat' eto samoe chego libo! (Naschet Proizvodstva)
A vse chto kasayetsya ostal'nih "biznes proektov" predlojennih Princom, vse eto nastol'ko banal'no chto aj skuchno. Yesli kto libo postavil pered soboy real'nuyu cel' zarabotat' bol'shiye den'gi, to nujno pridumat' chto libo original'noe.
V Uzbekistan mojno vkladivat' den'gi. V Uzbekistan nujno vkladivat' den'gi! Kuda i kak? A eto doljen kajdiy sam pridumat'.
Ne hvataet mozgov, togda deystvitel'no ne stoit riskovat'.

wa'assalam

na shcte mozgov ti prav
no, inogda kada est horoshiy konsultant...esli konechno on ne ofirist...to lutshe emu doveritsya
on priumnojit tvoyo bogatstvo

a na schet moih proektov...net oni ne takie ne legalnie...normalnoi...no lutshe o nih govorit kada klient konkretno za interesovan.....prosto tak rasskidovatsya proektami ne v moem duhe
kajdiy proekt - eto dengi

[Amiri Turkiston]

Mujreem, banks do not disclose such kinds of information. That's why, A. T. said it's risky to talk about the projects openly. It's all about the competition. :) Does ABN AMRO tell NBU how much they are charging on their interbank loans? hell, no!
Government does support startup companies(common sense), that's most probably what he meant.

Lazizbek...bizaniki oddiygina konsaltingoviy kompaniyaku....bank emas
bankdan ketganimga 2 yil buldi



proekt haqidagi gapizga men mana shuni qushmoqchi edim:

- est mestnaya kompaniya - ona hochit razvivatsya eshe bistrimi tempami...u neyo est stabilniy rost...nujni babki
- ili est horoshaya ideya...nujni babki
- ili est respektabilnaya kompaniya i ona hochit zanimatsya chem to novim dlya etogo im nujni babki

[Oriyon_farr]

Приветствую всех,

Я не очень разбираюсь в экономике, но я уверен, что многие из вас обладают хорошими знаниями в этой области.

У меня такой вопрос – если есть деньги, куда их вложить? Чем можно заниматься в Узбекистане и на сколько это реально/выгодно? Какие проблемы могут возникать и какого величина риска? И почему именно эта деятельность принесёт реальный доход?

У кого какие предложения?

Во-первых, зависит от того сколько их у тебя. Если 20-30 тыс. долл., то ты ничего особого с ними не сделаешь, разве что крутить их, сидя на базаре.
Если их у тебя много, то, по моему мнению, лучше их вложить в недвижимости, а не в бизнес. Тем более, что "не очень разбираешься в экономике". Для бизнеса еще нужно чтобы у тебя была родная "крыша" во властных структурах.
Точнее лучше покупать несколько квартир в разных районах Ташкента. Квартиру можно сдавать за маленькую, но зато стабильную квартплату. Кроме этого со времен квартиры подорожают и твои деньги множатся.

[daejeon]

Приветствую всех,

Я не очень разбираюсь в экономике, но я уверен, что многие из вас обладают хорошими знаниями в этой области.

У меня такой вопрос – если есть деньги, куда их вложить? Чем можно заниматься в Узбекистане и на сколько это реально/выгодно? Какие проблемы могут возникать и какого величина риска? И почему именно эта деятельность принесёт реальный доход?

У кого какие предложения?

boshni qotirip utirasizmi oson yuli 300 moshna olip Uzbekiston buyicha kiraga chiqarvoring har bir moshna kuniga kamida $20 ishlap topkanda ham kuniga $6000 buladi :D Asakani devusidan oling kam chiqim i odamlar kupro chiqishadi :D

[Vector]

You need at least $50000 to do smthg sensable...
The competition in Tashkent is getting very high now, so does the investment required for business. It's totally depends on the person what business he wants to do, his circumstances, no matter what suggestions you give...BUT without any connections (etc), as mentioned Prince already, your chances to survive miserable.

[Prince]

First of all , lets talk about small business not "big" one ,
You guys just want to start some big coorporation or company , which is funny.
Start with the minimum capital and start something small! And then if u can make money , if u can run it , u can think about something bigger....

Rentabelnosty past bolgan korhonalarni davlat tasarrufidan chiqarish (C) Qonunini uqib chiqish kerak , ana undan keyin borib tenderga ariza berish kere!
Tenderda yutib chiqib rentabelnosty past bolgan korhonani oyoqqa turgizish kere , Shu kungacha man shahsan tanigan odamlar , sotib olgan korhonalar 2-3 yilda oyoqqa turdi: otini etishim yaxshi bolmasu lekin Asfalt zavod , Gisht zavod , Tsement zavod = xammasini 1 ta odam sotib oldi! Lekin u odam bor CASHigi zavoddi sotib ogani yoq undan oldin xam sal kichkinaroq bizneslari bolar edi , shunga KICHKINASIDAN BOSHLASH KERAK!!! 1-2 tasini yurgazib ogandan keyin , u yogi keturadi.....
Cheers,

[Prince]

Here is an idea:
How much money u have 10 000 USD? Lets start some business: Run a car cash , pretty good business for starters, monthly u can make 200-700 easly!
P.S Berunida yashidiganla bosa , car cash bor - oshatta oyiga 700$ tashab beradi!!!
Investissia - daromadligi oyiga 7% yiliga , 84% bovotti ( return on investment)
qaysi bank ili qaysi biznesdan bunaqa pul qisa boladi? Kamdan kam holatda!
Who has an idea for 20 000 ?

[Aus]

Here is an idea:
How much money u have 10 000 USD? Lets start some business: Run a car cash , pretty good business for starters, monthly u can make 200-700 easly!
P.S Berunida yashidiganla bosa , car cash bor - oshatta oyiga 700$ tashab beradi!!!
Investissia - daromadligi oyiga 7% yiliga , 84% bovotti ( return on investment)
qaysi bank ili qaysi biznesdan bunaqa pul qisa boladi? Kamdan kam holatda!
Who has an idea for 20 000 ?

Berunini qatida????:shock:

[Arti]

Na stroy material tamojnie poshlini ne takie uj visoki no ti doljen dokozat im chto v Uzbekistane ne proizvodyat to chto ti vvezesh s Tursii dopustim! Vanna dopustim ,Djakuzi - u nas takoe ne proizvodyat , ty predostavlaesh im pismo/i vse dokumenti kotorie mogut dokozat chto ty prav , a potom uje rastamajivay na zdarovie , nikakix problem TAX + SHAPKA , u are done

Interesno, kak viglyadyat dokumenti, podtverjdayushiye, chto v Uzbekistane eto ne proizvditsa? Eto nujno vse zavodi v Uzbekistane obbegat i spravki sobrat'? I ot kogo doljno bit pismo? Ot vas lichno? Chto-to tipo: "Ya proizvel research, u ludey posprashival, okazivayetsa, v Uzbekistane djakuzi ne proizvodyat"?

[Prince]

Interesno, kak viglyadyat dokumenti, podtverjdayushiye, chto v Uzbekistane eto ne proizvditsa? Eto nujno vse zavodi v Uzbekistane obbegat i spravki sobrat'? I ot kogo doljno bit pismo? Ot vas lichno? Chto-to tipo: "Ya proizvel research, u ludey posprashival, okazivayetsa, v Uzbekistane djakuzi ne proizvodyat"?


Net, est tomojniki!!! Oni sami s etim zanimayutsa ty toka plotish deneg i vse!!! Prosto k sojileniyu ne vse chitayut novost i zakon!! vot i ne znayut ob etom! A Tamojniki sami ne skajut tebe eto , pochemu!? Poskolku oni delayut dengi .. vot i vse

[Prince]

Berunini qatida????:shock:


Uqishindan 10 minutli yol :)
Uqishinga borganimda oshattan kirib pulli olib keyin , Ice Cream Egani borardim :) ;)

[Arti]

Net, est tomojniki!!! Oni sami s etim zanimayutsa ty toka plotish deneg i vse!!! Prosto k sojileniyu ne vse chitayut novost i zakon!! vot i ne znayut ob etom! A Tamojniki sami ne skajut tebe eto , pochemu!? Poskolku oni delayut dengi .. vot i vse

Chto-to ya ne sovsem ponyala otvet, nu da ladno, glavnoye, chto vi sami eto ponimali. Hotya otveta na svoy vopros ya tak i ne poluchila. Posledovatelnosti ne nabludayetsa.

Nu vi, vrode, sami pro pisma i podtverjdayushiye dokumenti govorili, a teper uje poluchayetsa, chto i ne nado ni pisma, ni dokumentov. Nesostikovochka.

A chto tam naschet zakonov i novostey? Tam toje perechisleno, chto u nas proizvoditsa, a chto net?

[Prince]

Otvechayu: Dopustim ty vezesh tovar pravilno!? tamojnikam ty doljen pokozat DOKUMENT chto tovar SERTIFITSIROVAN pravilno? TOEST TY SAMA DELAESH ETI DOKUMENTY!! NAHODISH FIRMU COMPANIYU!! ILI ORGANIZATSIYU KOTORIE ZANIMAYUTSA S ETIM! TOEST POSLE TOGO KAK ONI SDELAYUT TEBE ETOT DOKUMENT SERTIFIKATSIYU TAMOJNIKI RAZRESHUT TEBE ZABRAT SVOY TOVAR S SKLADA!!! I RASTAMOJIT!!
Teper naschot stroymaterialov: TY DOLJEN PREDOSTAVIT DOKUMENT GDE SKAZANO CHTO V UZBEKISTANE TAKOY TOVAR NE PROIZVODYAT!! OPYATAKI ISHESH ORGANIZATSIYU , FIRMU ILI TEH KOTORIE S ETIMI VESHAMI ZANIMAYUTSA!!! I ONI VSE SDELAYUT TEBE!!A TY PLOTISH DENGI!! POTOM PREDOSTALAESH ETI JE DOKUMENTY TAMOJNIKAM!! A POTOM I PLOTISH NALOGI , POSHLINI!! ( Poslednoe vreme tamojniki sami otkrili takie firmi ili organizatsi gde oni sami je sertifitsiruyut tovar ili delayut dokument chto tovar ne proizvoditsa v uzbekistane!!) Esli je ty nichego podobnogo ne sdelaesh tebe pridyotsa tebe plotit 100% po tarifu poshlini i nalogi!!!
Nadeyus teper vse yasno ,
Cheers ,

[Arti]

Teper' yasno. Koroche, vezde plOtim :)

[Martingale]

Otvechayu: Dopustim ty vezesh tovar pravilno!? tamojnikam ty doljen pokozat DOKUMENT chto tovar SERTIFITSIROVAN pravilno? TOEST TY SAMA DELAESH ETI DOKUMENTY!! NAHODISH FIRMU COMPANIYU!! ILI ORGANIZATSIYU KOTORIE ZANIMAYUTSA S ETIM! TOEST POSLE TOGO KAK ONI SDELAYUT TEBE ETOT DOKUMENT SERTIFIKATSIYU TAMOJNIKI RAZRESHUT TEBE ZABRAT SVOY TOVAR S SKLADA!!! I RASTAMOJIT!!
Teper naschot stroymaterialov: TY DOLJEN PREDOSTAVIT DOKUMENT GDE SKAZANO CHTO V UZBEKISTANE TAKOY TOVAR NE PROIZVODYAT!! OPYATAKI ISHESH ORGANIZATSIYU , FIRMU ILI TEH KOTORIE S ETIMI VESHAMI ZANIMAYUTSA!!! I ONI VSE SDELAYUT TEBE!!A TY PLOTISH DENGI!! POTOM PREDOSTALAESH ETI JE DOKUMENTY TAMOJNIKAM!! A POTOM I PLOTISH NALOGI , POSHLINI!! ( Poslednoe vreme tamojniki sami otkrili takie firmi ili organizatsi gde oni sami je sertifitsiruyut tovar ili delayut dokument chto tovar ne proizvoditsa v uzbekistane!!) Esli je ty nichego podobnogo ne sdelaesh tebe pridyotsa tebe plotit 100% po tarifu poshlini i nalogi!!!
Nadeyus teper vse yasno ,
Cheers ,

Hehe:) .I hope Arti can get sth from this, but I could not. First, you said "tamojenniki" will make you those papers, then you are saying you gotta find those places where you can get the papers done, but also tamojenniki has opened their firms or organizations(How? gov-t body?:lol: ) which is involved in this. But I don't deny this, it might be true.
Why would one need to read news and passed laws for this? Are those things done by customs officers gonna be posted on newspapers?:lol: You are discrediting our customs service, man. Be careful!:lol:

[Martingale]

- est mestnaya kompaniya - ona hochit razvivatsya eshe bistrimi tempami...u neyo est stabilniy rost...nujni babki

- ili est horoshaya ideya...nujni babki
- ili est respektabilnaya kompaniya i ona hochit zanimatsya chem to novim dlya etogo im nujni babki


True. But the thing is I never thought that there are IB firms in Uzbekistan who do IPOs. Do they act as underwriters too?

[Prince]

Laziz , lets cut the crap and discuss the topic! Genius asked something else! THanks :)
What would you do if u have 10-100 000? Where would you invest?
Cheers ,
P.S Laziz if u r really interested PM me , i'll help u 2 find answers...
PPS: Laziz ogayni , xapa bogan oris :)

[Martingale]

What would you do if u have 10-100 000? Where would you invest?


I would pay my tuition first:lol: , then would think about what to do with the rest.

p.s. Nega hapa bulaman. 5m yuqligigami yoki yahshi ideam yuqligigami?:)

[Prince]

uu Tuition-ni gapirma!!! Ogir tema... , qancha pul ketvotganini eslasen mazen qochadi :)
Bitta tanishim bor: manga mazza bank- tolidi man chontegimdan tolamiman mush! lol , ertaga tolash kere obratno disam , survoraman uyga , hostlarim tolidi diydi :) Shorin qurgur HOST family :P
btw - Education is good investment , if u have 100K just go to good University , but remember B.Gates said once: Going to school is just wasting of time , if u think he's right just dont go :)
P.SS: He were accepted to Harvard.... and then left the school

[Legend]

uu Tuition-ni gapirma!!! Ogir tema... , qancha pul ketvotganini eslasen mazen qochadi :)
Bitta tanishim bor: manga mazza bank- tolidi man chontegimdan tolamiman mush! lol , ertaga tolash kere obratno disam , survoraman uyga , hostlarim tolidi diydi :) Shorin qurgur HOST family :P
btw - Education is good investment , if u have 100K just go to good University , but remember B.Gates said once: Going to school is just wasting of time , if u think he's right just dont go :)
P.SS: He were accepted to Harvard.... and then left the school
Buill Gates was right :) .

P.S. I think college is for the people who can't find their way to earn money in this life. It is easier for them to work for someone, than to open up their own business. It is for the ppl who don't like hussling.

[noodles]

stop offtoping guys http://pix.vse.uz/img645/moderator.gif

I asked about some good suggestions on doing a business with about 5 million US dollars in Uzbekistan.

[Legend]

Genius , esli est dengi v UZb, to vkladivay ih Selskoye hozyaystvo, che che , a eto nikoda ne budet mertvim biznesom. Nachinaya s ravedeniya kur i konchaya Krupnorogatim skotom. Investiruy v oborudovaniye kotoroye budet pererabativay moloko v maslo, smetanu i t.d i t.p. Potom Zakupi bolshoy uchastok plodorodnoy zemli gde nibud v Doline ili je na yuge UZb na i sdelay balshiye parniki, nachinaya s cvetov i konchaya ovoshami , nu estestvenno eto k zime, potom most of it exportiruy v Kazahstan I Russia, nu konkurentosposobnim ti bvudesh esli vlojish eti dengi v etu otrasl. U tya budet bolshe zemli i bolshe tovara i vibora. U tya pbudut tvoi postoyanniye klienti, i esli nado to oni sami budut u tya eto vivozit pryam s tvoih zemelnih uchastkov. I eshe zavezi porodistiye korovi iz Rossii i Germanii oni dayut v 4 raza bolshe moloka cham nashi (za sutki), A u nas ti znaesh molochniye produkti vsega dorogiye , da i spros na etot tip tovara vsegda est.

P.S A tak idey eshe mnoga est, na nih ne obyazatelno 5 mln$, mojno i s menshimi babkami , da i dohodi budut horoshiye.stop offtoping guys http://pix.vse.uz/img645/moderator.gif

I asked about some good suggestions on doing a business with about 5 million US dollars in Uzbekistan.

[Arti]

Here is an idea:
How much money u have 10 000 USD? Lets start some business: Run a car cash , pretty good business for starters, monthly u can make 200-700 easly!
P.S Berunida yashidiganla bosa , car cash bor - oshatta oyiga 700$ tashab beradi!!!

Btw, what do u mean by car cash? Correct me if I am wrong but as I know "car cash" is a loan given/taken for purchase of a vehicle. So how can you arrange it for only $ 10 K?

[Amiri Turkiston]

Tenderda yutib chiqib rentabelnosty past bolgan korhonani oyoqqa turgizish kere , Shu kungacha man shahsan tanigan odamlar , sotib olgan korhonalar 2-3 yilda oyoqqa turdi: otini etishim yaxshi bolmasu lekin Asfalt zavod , Gisht zavod , Tsement zavod = xammasini 1 ta odam sotib oldi! Lekin u odam bor CASHigi zavoddi sotib ogani yoq undan oldin xam sal kichkinaroq bizneslari bolar edi , shunga KICHKINASIDAN BOSHLASH KERAK!!! 1-2 tasini yurgazib ogandan keyin , u yogi keturadi.....
Cheers,

usha zavodlarni hammasi Toshkent oblastida joylashmaganmi ?
agar ha bulsa

bu zavodlarni ularni o'zi orqasiga o'tkazishdi bilsangiz.....keyin esa texnichniy sotib olishdi

vot ablahlar....endi bulsa zavodni tikladik deb mahtanib yurishibdi
atak hozir zavod ahli juda norozi....hammazi jahli chiqib yuribdi
oyliklar kamaytirilgan
bir hil ishchilarni haydab...o'zinikilarni tiqishgan

[Shokirbek]

usha zavodlarni hammasi Toshkent oblastida joylashmaganmi ?
agar ha bulsa

bu zavodlarni ularni o'zi orqasiga o'tkazishdi bilsangiz.....keyin esa texnichniy sotib olishdi

vot ablahlar....endi bulsa zavodni tikladik deb mahtanib yurishibdi
atak hozir zavod ahli juda norozi....hammazi jahli chiqib yuribdi
oyliklar kamaytirilgan
bir hil ishchilarni haydab...o'zinikilarni tiqishgan

Yuqoridagilar xalqi uchun jonkuyar bo'lmagandan keyin ish shuda. Baliq boshidan sasiydi deb bekorga aytilmagan. Qachon yuqoriga o'z manfaatidan omma xalq manfaatini ustun qo'yadiganlar kelsa, o'shanda xalq kosasi oqaradi.

[Aus]

Uqishindan 10 minutli yol :)
Uqishinga borganimda oshattan kirib pulli olib keyin , Ice Cream Egani borardim :) ;)


hmmm. Prince....morojni 100 sum ediku:P
sorry za oftop;)

Genius...
Legend etkandek mojni zanyatsya sel'skim hozaystvom...no ishi rosa kup...no lutshe eksportom....zanyatsya...;)

[Prince]

usha zavodlarni hammasi Toshkent oblastida joylashmaganmi ?
agar ha bulsa

bu zavodlarni ularni o'zi orqasiga o'tkazishdi bilsangiz.....keyin esa texnichniy sotib olishdi

vot ablahlar....endi bulsa zavodni tikladik deb mahtanib yurishibdi
atak hozir zavod ahli juda norozi....hammazi jahli chiqib yuribdi
oyliklar kamaytirilgan
bir hil ishchilarni haydab...o'zinikilarni tiqishgan


Siz qaysi zavodni nazarda tutib aytayapsiz? ANIQ ZAVODNI ETING!? :twisted:
Man uzimni bilgan zavodlarimni aytayapman , va sotib olingan zavodlarni hulosasidan kelib chiqqan holda javob beraman: ZAVOD RENTABELNOSTI JUDA PAST EDI , sotib olinganidan keyin 2002 yilda Umid fondidan bitirgan 2 bola ishga olindi , yuqori lavozimga , + 2 ta bola Britaniada uqib kelgan bollar xam ishga olindi , ularning oyligi $600 dan baland edi ortacha ( osha paytda bu oylik juda katta hisoblanardi), boshlangich oyliklari xar biriga himat mashinalari berildi , koribsizgi 2 yilda Korhonaning sof daromadi 87%ga osdi !!!!
2) korhona sotib olish masalasiga kelsak togri , korhonani sotib olayotganda kimgadur oz moz pul berilgan bolishi mumkin lekin , korhonani sotib olishdan oldin , korhona sotib olayotgan SHAHS korhonaga xech qanday ta`sir korsatilmagan ( suniy korhonani "ko`tiga otkazishmagan" demokchiman)
3) 3 yil ichida shu korhona korgan FOYDADAN yana 2 ra korgona ( Boshqa viloyatlarda ) sotib olindi
4) Ishchilarni real oyligi xam OSHDI!! BUNI XAM UZIM KORGANMAN!
4) QAYSI KORHONALIGINI ETISHIM SHART EMAS!;)

Amri Turkiston - xamma xam bunday qilgani yoq , lekin sizni gapiz xam togri koplar uzi korhonani "charchatib" keyin sotib olganlar xam bolgan

Hulosa shuki: Iloji bosa tez tez sotib yuborish kerak xamma korhonani , lekin vazirlar bunga qarshi: sababi nima? Sababi Korhona sotilsa VAZIRga "Dolya" Kelmi qoladi!!!!! "Shapka'sini olomi qoladi!!

[Prince]

Yuqoridagilar xalqi uchun jonkuyar bo'lmagandan keyin ish shuda. Baliq boshidan sasiydi deb bekorga aytilmagan. Qachon yuqoriga o'z manfaatidan omma xalq manfaatini ustun qo'yadiganlar kelsa, o'shanda xalq kosasi oqaradi.


Korhona sotib olinganidan keyin , MULKsiznikidur , Korhona sizga tegishli! Demak ishchilarga yaxshi oylik tolash , ishlab chiqarishga katta ta`sir qiladi! (CEO - nima bolardi uzbekchada?) Gen Direktor(Predsedatel pravlenie ) aqlli , uz ishini biladigan inson bolsa , korhona foyda korayotgan bir paytda ishchilarni oyligini qisqartirish bu ahmoqlik!! Siz aytayotgan misollar davlat korhonalarida bolishi mumkin , lekin shahsiy korhonada boladigan hos narsa emas!!!!
P.S: btw , who is the best CEO in UZB? :)

[xlnt]

prince.
v danniy moment ya nenahojus v uzbekistane no u menya ogromnnoe jelanie vozvratitsa na rodinu, ya imeyu okolo 40000$ chem ya mogu zanyatsya na rodine pomogi esli u tebya horoshiy opit?

[Mona Lisa]

наркотраффик 4эва!!! =)
Definetly!!! :lol:


Gosh Laziz, that's IPO stuff is so text book crap and US market structure which is way beyond how Uzbek economy operates at this moment in time.
Be a little realistic. I'm imagining floating shares on stock exchange in Tashkent. That must be something totally absurd today. :rolleyes: Have you ever visited those small start - ups or any other SME around the country?

Legend's suggestion is more reasonable given the risks and instability in the country. Something small is always safe and less risky. Moreover it has good prospects.

Back to the main question. Given the amount of money it would be good start business in the service sector. For instance delivery/logistcs service.
Probably it's also good to do a number of small start ups let's say 2 - 3. At the moment people really building homes so they need people who can do little bits and pieces on construction site or do some highly specialsed jobs wiring/lighting/accoustics. So small teams of people with all the equipment can earn some cash.
Well possibilities are endless but problem is doing it :)

[Amiri Turkiston]

Siz qaysi zavodni nazarda tutib aytayapsiz? ANIQ ZAVODNI ETING!? :twisted:
Man uzimni bilgan zavodlarimni aytayapman , va sotib olingan zavodlarni hulosasidan kelib chiqqan holda javob beraman: ZAVOD RENTABELNOSTI JUDA PAST EDI , sotib olinganidan keyin 2002 yilda Umid fondidan bitirgan 2 bola ishga olindi , yuqori lavozimga , + 2 ta bola Britaniada uqib kelgan bollar xam ishga olindi , ularning oyligi $600 dan baland edi ortacha ( osha paytda bu oylik juda katta hisoblanardi), boshlangich oyliklari xar biriga himat mashinalari berildi , koribsizgi 2 yilda Korhonaning sof daromadi 87%ga osdi !!!!
2) korhona sotib olish masalasiga kelsak togri , korhonani sotib olayotganda kimgadur oz moz pul berilgan bolishi mumkin lekin , korhonani sotib olishdan oldin , korhona sotib olayotgan SHAHS korhonaga xech qanday ta`sir korsatilmagan ( suniy korhonani "ko`tiga otkazishmagan" demokchiman)
3) 3 yil ichida shu korhona korgan FOYDADAN yana 2 ra korgona ( Boshqa viloyatlarda ) sotib olindi
4) Ishchilarni real oyligi xam OSHDI!! BUNI XAM UZIM KORGANMAN!
4) QAYSI KORHONALIGINI ETISHIM SHART EMAS!;)

Amri Turkiston - xamma xam bunday qilgani yoq , lekin sizni gapiz xam togri koplar uzi korhonani "charchatib" keyin sotib olganlar xam bolgan

Hulosa shuki: Iloji bosa tez tez sotib yuborish kerak xamma korhonani , lekin vazirlar bunga qarshi: sababi nima? Sababi Korhona sotilsa VAZIRga "Dolya" Kelmi qoladi!!!!! "Shapka'sini olomi qoladi!!

Asfalt zavod , Gisht zavod , Tsement zavod - Tash oblast da joylashganmi shu 3 chalovi?
manam bularni otini etkim kelmayabdi ayrim sabablarga ko'ra...hafa bulmiz
ha yoki yo'q - shuni aytsez buldi
buyog'ini man sizga gapirib berishga harakat qilaman - qanaqa qilib sotib olganilarni

hope to ya understand

[Amiri Turkiston]

Korhona sotib olinganidan keyin , MULKsiznikidur , Korhona sizga tegishli! Demak ishchilarga yaxshi oylik tolash , ishlab chiqarishga katta ta`sir qiladi! (CEO - nima bolardi uzbekchada?) Gen Direktor(Predsedatel pravlenie ) aqlli , uz ishini biladigan inson bolsa , korhona foyda korayotgan bir paytda ishchilarni oyligini qisqartirish bu ahmoqlik!! Siz aytayotgan misollar davlat korhonalarida bolishi mumkin , lekin shahsiy korhonada boladigan hos narsa emas!!!!
P.S: btw , who is the best CEO in UZB? :)

shunaqangi korhonalar borki - chastniymi yo davlatnikimi bilib bulmaydi
g'in desang tamomsan ushnaqa joylarda

har bir ishning o'ziga yarasha etikasi bulishi lozim
chastniy korhona rahbari zavod maniki deb qutirmasligi kerak
hammani teng kurishi kerak

[Martingale]

Siz qaysi zavodni nazarda tutib aytayapsiz? ANIQ ZAVODNI ETING!? :twisted:
Man uzimni bilgan zavodlarimni aytayapman , va sotib olingan zavodlarni hulosasidan kelib chiqqan holda javob beraman: ZAVOD RENTABELNOSTI JUDA PAST EDI , sotib olinganidan keyin 2002 yilda Umid fondidan bitirgan 2 bola ishga olindi , yuqori lavozimga , + 2 ta bola Britaniada uqib kelgan bollar xam ishga olindi , ularning oyligi $600 dan baland edi ortacha ( osha paytda bu oylik juda katta hisoblanardi), boshlangich oyliklari xar biriga himat mashinalari berildi , koribsizgi 2 yilda Korhonaning sof daromadi 87%ga osdi !!!!
2) korhona sotib olish masalasiga kelsak togri , korhonani sotib olayotganda kimgadur oz moz pul berilgan bolishi mumkin lekin , korhonani sotib olishdan oldin , korhona sotib olayotgan SHAHS korhonaga xech qanday ta`sir korsatilmagan ( suniy korhonani "ko`tiga otkazishmagan" demokchiman)
3) 3 yil ichida shu korhona korgan FOYDADAN yana 2 ra korgona ( Boshqa viloyatlarda ) sotib olindi
4) Ishchilarni real oyligi xam OSHDI!! BUNI XAM UZIM KORGANMAN!
4) QAYSI KORHONALIGINI ETISHIM SHART EMAS!;)

Amri Turkiston - xamma xam bunday qilgani yoq , lekin sizni gapiz xam togri koplar uzi korhonani "charchatib" keyin sotib olganlar xam bolgan

Hulosa shuki: Iloji bosa tez tez sotib yuborish kerak xamma korhonani , lekin vazirlar bunga qarshi: sababi nima? Sababi Korhona sotilsa VAZIRga "Dolya" Kelmi qoladi!!!!! "Shapka'sini olomi qoladi!!

Prince 3 yil ichida kurilgan foydadan yana 2 ta korhona sotvoldi degin.:) Har bittasiga 1.5 yillik daromad tugri keladi desak, u korhonani rentabelligi nechta 1000% dan iborat?:) yoki sotvolingan korhonalar faqat 2 3 ta zdanie desang tushunaman.

[Martingale]

Gosh Laziz, that's IPO stuff is so text book crap and US market structure which is way beyond how Uzbek economy operates at this moment in time.
Be a little realistic. I'm imagining floating shares on stock exchange in Tashkent. That must be something totally absurd today. :rolleyes: Have you ever visited those small start - ups or any other SME around the country?


Mona Lizahon, agar siz IPO ni text book crap desez, Toshkenda shu kungacha bugan IPO lar hammasi crap ekanda. Voy ahmoqlaree, yuribdi ekan textbook crap ga ishonib.:lol: IPOni chi umuman qimasliklari kerak ekan, bilasmi nega, chunki bu narsa faqat US market structurega tegishli, biz esa uzimizga hos uzimizga mos bugan yulni tanlashimiz kerak.:twisted:

p.s. no offence.

[Amiri Turkiston]

Mona Lizahon, agar siz IPO ni text book crap desez, Toshkenda shu kungacha bugan IPO lar hammasi crap ekanda. Voy ahmoqlaree, yuribdi ekan textbook crap ga ishonib.:lol: IPOni chi umuman qimasliklari kerak ekan, bilasmi nega, chunki bu narsa faqat US market structurega tegishli, biz esa uzimizga hos uzimizga mos bugan yulni tanlashimiz kerak.:twisted:


:lol: to'g'ri aytas
bizanikilar mlya hamma narsani yangisini yaratishga harakat qilishadi

[Mona Lisa]

Mona Lizahon, agar siz IPO ni text book crap desez, Toshkenda shu kungacha bugan IPO lar hammasi crap ekanda. Voy ahmoqlaree, yuribdi ekan textbook crap ga ishonib.:lol: IPOni chi umuman qimasliklari kerak ekan, bilasmi nega, chunki bu narsa faqat US market structurega tegishli, biz esa uzimizga hos uzimizga mos bugan yulni tanlashimiz kerak.:twisted:

p.s. no offence.
I haven't even touched the word about not using IPO, have I ? :)
1. To float shares on the SE and get reasonble funding out of it needs reasonable business in the first place!

2. Those a few firms exploiting financial market is powerful enough to go public which you can't expect the same from a start - up. So those who able raise funds through IPO I give my big respect!

3. Here we are talking about just a start - up to get into the IPO stage there must serious hard work and very good contacts

4. let's end this crap debate anyway

;)

[Martingale]

I haven't even touched the word about not using IPO, have I ? :)
Well, we are not talking bout IPO's on textbooks or in US market. We are talking about the ones in Uzb.

1. To float shares on the SE and get reasonble funding out of it needs reasonable business in the first place!

There is no expression like to float shares, Madmoiselle. You can say floating shares(rapidly changing), but not to float.
But the meaning of the sentence I didn't still get.

Here we are talking about just a start - up to get into the IPO stage there must serious hard work and very good contacts

I admit it. A company needs to do a lot before going public. But it's also good to know for any kind of company how these things work out.

cheers,

[Prince]

Amri Turkiston aka :)
Qaysi zavodni etvossiz? Korhona rahbari kim osha zavodda? Sh.SH mi ?
U korhonani u sotib olish jarayonida bir ikki som qistir qistiri bogan boishi mumkin lekin sotib oganidan keyin butunlay zavod strukturasini ozgartirdi! xammasini zor qigan odam , zavoddi oyoqqa turgazgan odam shu boladi
Laziz: kulgili a? Exon qancha foyda qildi USda? :) U kishi xam shunaqa "miracle" qigan , san bir Uzbekistonda nechta "MOST" quralla dodam yiliga bilasanmi? xar yili MOST MOST MOST! , osha mostlani asfal bilan qoplagan kishi shu kishi boladi , a endi dodam MOST MOST divurganlaridan keyin , bu kisham etkazib berurgande , soqqasini qilurgan , unaqada rentabelnost 100%dan xam baland qisen boladi :) lol

[Prince]

prince.
v danniy moment ya nenahojus v uzbekistane no u menya ogromnnoe jelanie vozvratitsa na rodinu, ya imeyu okolo 40000$ chem ya mogu zanyatsya na rodine pomogi esli u tebya horoshiy opit?

Privet , ponimaesh brat mojno daje s 10 000 nachat , no opyataki chego ty znaesh? chem hochesh zanyatsa , kakie u tebya znakomie , druzya? dopustim ya mnogo chego mogu tebe skazat nachinaya s importirovat tovar s drugix stran , ili zanyatsa chemto drugim , dopustim chto nibud otkrit v Uzbekistane , no opyataki ya ne znayu v chem ty interesovan , i konkretno kuda hochesh investirovat dengi? kakoy u tebya opit? chego ty znaeshh?
napishi mne PM , o postoraysa otvet na eti voprosi , a ya tebe postorayus otvetit ,
P.S Ya ne znayu vse sektora Uzbekistana , no chem zanyalsa , chem bratya zanimayutsa ya eto mogu tochno skazat... i otvetit na voprosi skolko deneg mojesh zarabotat
Udachi

[Martingale]

Amri Turkiston aka :)
Qaysi zavodni etvossiz? Korhona rahbari kim osha zavodda? Sh.SH mi ?
U korhonani u sotib olish jarayonida bir ikki som qistir qistiri bogan boishi mumkin lekin sotib oganidan keyin butunlay zavod strukturasini ozgartirdi! xammasini zor qigan odam , zavoddi oyoqqa turgazgan odam shu boladi
Laziz: kulgili a? Exon qancha foyda qildi USda? :) U kishi xam shunaqa "miracle" qigan , san bir Uzbekistonda nechta "MOST" quralla dodam yiliga bilasanmi? xar yili MOST MOST MOST! , osha mostlani asfal bilan qoplagan kishi shu kishi boladi , a endi dodam MOST MOST divurganlaridan keyin , bu kisham etkazib berurgande , soqqasini qilurgan , unaqada rentabelnost 100%dan xam baland qisen boladi :) lol

ja offtop bub ketdi lekin. :)

Exxon is getting rich because of increase in oil price.:)
Ja qizu buldiku, oyoqqa turgizadi deb Amerikaga yo Rossiyaga bervorilik Olmaliqdagi zavodlarni arzon narhga. Ular $$$ qistir-qistir qilishadi lekin. Bu narsa tugri ekanu aytishin buyicha. Tugri boshida qistir qistir bugan, lekin kompaniyani oyoqqa turgizdi degin. :)) Prince, rosa olarkansan lekin.

Ushanaqa case lardan bittasini bilaman. Gulistonda yog moy kombinati bor edi davlatga qarashli. Hech qanqa bankrot, mankrot degan narsa yuq edi. Poytahtdan odamlar kelishdide uzlashtirishdi. Agar hukumatimiz tugri investitsion klimat yaratib berganda, shu kombinatda bir necha yildan beri ishlab yurgan qorovuldan tortib bug'altirigacha bironta share olish keremidi yo yuqmi? Yo kimda pul busa usha keb olursinmi shunaqa joylani?
Rossiyadagi oligarhlar privatizatsiya payti qande qilib boyib ketganligini eshitgandirsan? Voucherlar! Voucher oddiy ishchida pul bumagani uchun malum bir aksiyaga davogarlik huquqini beradigan qogoz. Oligarhlar ushalarni arzon narhda sotvolib kompaniyalarga ega buvolishgan. Hammasi mahinatsiya! Bizda ham 92-94(adashmasam) yillardagi HIF PIF lar huddi shu rolni bajargan. Gapirsa gap kup lekin.
Nega Neftegazni Lukoilga bermimiz deb oyoq turvogan davlat hodimlari fikrlarini tez uzgartirishdi ekana?

[Prince]

ja offtop bub ketdi lekin. :)

Exxon is getting rich because of increase in oil price.:)
Ja qizu buldiku, oyoqqa turgizadi deb Amerikaga yo Rossiyaga bervorilik Olmaliqdagi zavodlarni arzon narhga. Ular $$$ qistir-qistir qilishadi lekin. Bu narsa tugri ekanu aytishin buyicha. Tugri boshida qistir qistir bugan, lekin kompaniyani oyoqqa turgizdi degin. :)) Prince, rosa olarkansan lekin.

Ushanaqa case lardan bittasini bilaman. Gulistonda yog moy kombinati bor edi davlatga qarashli. Hech qanqa bankrot, mankrot degan narsa yuq edi. Poytahtdan odamlar kelishdide uzlashtirishdi. Agar hukumatimiz tugri investitsion klimat yaratib berganda, shu kombinatda bir necha yildan beri ishlab yurgan qorovuldan tortib bug'altirigacha bironta share olish keremidi yo yuqmi? Yo kimda pul busa usha keb olursinmi shunaqa joylani?
Rossiyadagi oligarhlar privatizatsiya payti qande qilib boyib ketganligini eshitgandirsan? Voucherlar! Voucher oddiy ishchida pul bumagani uchun malum bir aksiyaga davogarlik huquqini beradigan qogoz. Oligarhlar ushalarni arzon narhda sotvolib kompaniyalarga ega buvolishgan. Hammasi mahinatsiya! Bizda ham 92-94(adashmasam) yillardagi HIF PIF lar huddi shu rolni bajargan. Gapirsa gap kup lekin.
Nega Neftegazni Lukoilga bermimiz deb oyoq turvogan davlat hodimlari fikrlarini tez uzgartirishdi ekana?


It's not really off top!
Lazizhon , Xammasini sotish kere , arzongami , qimmatgami sotish kere! Mani fikrim shu! Nimaga? Chunki hohlisanmi hohlamisanmi , ma`lum odamlar arzon narhlarga ovoladi korhonani , Rossiada xam shu butun CCCPda hozir shu! Bu yozilmagan "qonun"
Guliston zavodi degin? :) Poytahtdan odamla keldi digin?:) kim keludi? belga tepdinu , tak javob beraman: Guliston zavodini sotvolish jarayonida "mahinatsialar" bogan bolishligi mumkin lekin zavod: xar bir litr chiqarayotgan YOGidan 75-80%aksiz TOLIDI! :evil: , ne buni xech kim gapirmidi? nimaga buni DAVLATIN etmayapti? TAN NARHI 100 som bosa ustiga 80% AKSIZ NARHINI QOSHIB KEYIN SOTISH KERE BOLADI Ishlab chiqaradigan yogini , keyin odamla noluradi QOZOLANI YOGI ZOR , QOZOLADAN KEGAN YOG 100-300 som arzon deb!!! Mr Hudoyorov-ga 01 yilda etilgan jaa bomasa aksizni 50% tushurlarin korhonala utirib qoladi bolmasam deb , Qozolarni mahsulotiga raqobat qilomi qoladi deb , Hudoyorov xam xech nima qolomagan chunki osha 80% aksiz Budjetti kattagina qismi hisoblani!!! Lazizhon , siz oylamen korhona sotib yuborilgandan keyin davlatga xech qanqa foydasi yo deb! Davlat xar bir 100 somdan 80 som imeet qib turibdi korhona ishlavotgani hisobiga!! :twisted:
P.S Manda pul bormi hohlasam korhonani sotib olaman , hohlasam sotib olib buzib yuboraman , hohlasam sotib olib talon taroj qilaman chunki bu mani shahsiy mulkim sotib olganimdan keyin! Qoravul masalasiga kelsak: Qoravul xam sotib olishga xaqli , agar puli bosa albatta , puli etmasa unda 1-2% aksiasini olib dividentini olishi kerak
PPS:
Friend: Boylarni tushunmimande , aqli bomasayam , kotini tegida doda moshina , xamma yoqni kontrol qiladi , puli kop!
Me: san unaqa oylama san , boshqacha oyla: Nimaga sani BOYdan aqlin kop bola turib , boydaka pul topomisan? ili boy qigan ishni qilomisan u erishgan narsaga erishomisan?
PPS: Laziz ogayni , ikkalamiza Fleym-da bitta topic ochse nima disan? Laziz vs Prince digan , yozishurardi , betta odam hijolat buvotti :P

[Martingale]

Prince,
san aytyotgan narsani juda yahshi tushunib turibman. Albattaki, bu davlatda - san ugirlamasang boshqa birov uriglaydi. Shunichuin bos!- degan idea bor. Shunichun mani fikrim neutral chunki hech qanqa tasiri yuq. Chunki hammada shunaqa fikr yuritish bor. Lekin man bu misolni kurolmagandan keltirganim yuq (pay attention!!!), A.T.ni gaplariga qushimahca qilib keltirdim. Boshida san tenderda yutib chiqdi degan gapingga. Mani hech kimni boyligi qiziqtirmaydi. Man bu gaplarni uzimni foydamni uylab emas, umuman Uzbda imkoniyatlar haqida gap ketgan ekan. Shunaqa narsalarni hisobga olish kerak deb gapirdim. Tak shto sani PiPeS ingdagi monolog-dialogni keragi yuq. If you are succeding, good luck! That's very good for you! You asked me how I would manage that money. I said I would pay off my tution and would think of the rest. No need further comments on those plants or whatsoever. Forget Gulistan. I hope you can get it!

BTW, Davlatin??? Already amerikoz?:) Also don't get too much emotional on that. We are just discussing things here, not in real life.
cheers,

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amri Turkiston aka :)
Qaysi zavodni etvossiz? Korhona rahbari kim osha zavodda? Sh.SH mi ?
U korhonani u sotib olish jarayonida bir ikki som qistir qistiri bogan boishi mumkin lekin sotib oganidan keyin butunlay zavod strukturasini ozgartirdi! xammasini zor qigan odam , zavoddi oyoqqa turgazgan odam shu boladi


mlin....siz savoldan qochish buyicha chempion ekansiz eee
qoyil eeee
ha yoki yoq ni o'rniga - gapni uyoqdan buyoqqa olib qochvos

man to'g'risini aytaman - u odamni otini bilmayman Sh.Sh. mi yoki boshqasi mi
lekin uni ko'rganman

va u haqda jda ko'p eshitganman
zavodni direktori haqida emas
balki bularni hammasini rahbari haqida

[Prince]

Amri Turkiston ok , nima diseyiz shu:
Ozbekistonda 10-100 000$ bilan nima ish qilsa boladi shu xaqida gaplashaylik!?

[Vostochnaya...]

:)
OFF:
Маленький мальчик на бирже играл,
Акции он покупал, продавал.
Тихо, спокойно, без криков и стонов
Он прое*ал девятьсот миллионов
:lol:

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amri Turkiston ok , nima diseyiz shu:
Ozbekistonda 10-100 000$ bilan nima ish qilsa boladi shu xaqida gaplashaylik!?


eh he
bu pullarni ming bir balo giriptor qilib ancha pul qisa buladi

odamni o'ziga bog'liq
chunki odam o'zi yoqadigan ishni qimasa...hammasi bir tiyin

[Prince]

Amri_Turkiston - dodam , otam :)
Yoshiz kotta korinadi... bir boshdan boshlaylik unda , nima ish qisa boladi? faqat konkret va real bolgan narsaladan... manimcha bu "thread"ni ochgan odam - shu savolga javob olmoqchi bogan

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amri_Turkiston - dodam , otam :)
Yoshiz kotta korinadi... bir boshdan boshlaylik unda , nima ish qisa boladi? faqat konkret va real bolgan narsaladan... manimcha bu "thread"ni ochgan odam - shu savolga javob olmoqchi bogan

investor yoshroq bulsa unga know-how idealar:

- fun klub ochish
- internet provider hamda sotoviy operatorlarning dilingoviy centerini ochish
- avto moyka (kimdir uje etuvdi)
- sportzal ochish
- sport drinks ishlab chiqarish yoki kamida uni import qilib konkretniy reklamadan keyin sotish

gapiraman desam ...ja ko'payib ketarkan da

[Gareeb]

Teplitsa qilib gul yoki pomidor etishtirib ham yaxshi daromad qilish mumkin.
Toshkentda ko'pchilik faqat shundan tirikchilik qiladi.Buni bozoriyam chaqqon, Qozoq borekan uncha-munchaga bu biznes sinmaydi.:)

[Amiri Turkiston]

Teplitsa qilib gul yoki pomidor etishtirib ham yaxshi daromad qilish mumkin.
Toshkentda ko'pchilik faqat shundan tirikchilik qiladi.Buni bozoriyam chaqqon, Qozoq borekan uncha-munchaga bu biznes sinmaydi.:)

1000 boshda 1001 fikr

pul hullas juda ko'p joyga tikish mumkin

avtor endi o'zi tanlab olishi kerak

[Prince]

Amri_turkiston - dodam!
aga , manam shunaqa deb oyliman , kopla noluradi Uzbekistonda biznesga muhit yoq! u yo - bu yo! lekin man oylimanki AFRIKADAGI shahroyu kabrda xam sharoit yoq! lekin eplasa boladi! xammasini
$10 000 bilan ish boshlash qiyinrogu lekin , 50 000 laga zor ish qisa boladi!

[Marg'iloniy]

O'zbekistonda faqat prezidentni qizi bilan Akalar ish qiladi deganlar adashadi.
Jimgina yurib katta -katta ish qilayotgan kup. oz - oz dan boshlab ishni kattalashtirib ishlashyapti, faqat juda aqllilik, ehtiyotkorlik, ayyorlik kerak.
zakonniy qilib circumvent qilishni bilish kerak.
Tanishlar pul bulsa uzidan uzi topilaveradi, hich kim onasini qornidan tanish bulib tug'ilmediku.

[badedas]

Вложи их в e-gold, на аккаунт номер 2147221.
Welcome to httP;//badedas.narod.ru

[Amiri Turkiston]

Amri_turkiston - dodam!
aga , manam shunaqa deb oyliman , kopla noluradi Uzbekistonda biznesga muhit yoq! u yo - bu yo! lekin man oylimanki AFRIKADAGI shahroyu kabrda xam sharoit yoq! lekin eplasa boladi! xammasini
$10 000 bilan ish boshlash qiyinrogu lekin , 50 000 laga zor ish qisa boladi!

to'g'ri
lekin prosto yana bitta nyuans bor de butta

tekshiruvchilar kevurib odamni qon qilishadi
hali u deb hali bu deb
tekshirishni ro'yhatga oladigan kitoblaram to'lib toshib ketadi yaqinda

keyin ja zo;ravonlar ko;p usha tekshiruvchilarning orasida - ugroza qilib qo'yishiga ularni o'limi....

ja odamlar no insof de

mana bizani yaqinda nalagaviklar otshrofavat qilishdi $700
ne za chto - toza alam qildi

melochniy summa bulsa ham jahl ustidan - rosa chiroyli hatlar yozdim yuqori instanciyalarga
lekin vsem do nas do lampochki okazivaetsya

[Vector]

Hozir Ozbekistonda soqqani obnalichka qilish bilan soqqa qilishvatti... 3-4 kunlik firma ochshadi i soqqani perevodla qilib obnalichka qilishadi, koroche yuguri kop, riskovanniy, lekin shuni ketidan odamla ancha financial stable bolib qogan. kamida 50000 kere, banklada svyazla, tanish-bilish konechno, boldi...hozir Ozbekstonda firmalaga, banklani hamasiga nal kere, demand borekan, supply qiladiganlayam bor...

[forex]

hahah,spoon has a point here.He who has 4-5 mills wouldn't even be wasting time here.

Don't be a fool, folks.
If you had that much of money, would you be wasting a milisecond of your time around here?

To Genius: With USD4-5 million on hand - you can gain some huge profits by buying some shares of forum.uz the day it hits IPO soon. That way I could get paid for my job I wasn't getting a wage for years.


Have a nice day. :)

[musoFR]

Приветствую всех,

Я не очень разбираюсь в экономике, но я уверен, что многие из вас обладают хорошими знаниями в этой области.

У меня такой вопрос – если есть деньги, куда их вложить? Чем можно заниматься в Узбекистане и на сколько это реально/выгодно? Какие проблемы могут возникать и какого величина риска? И почему именно эта деятельность принесёт реальный доход?

У кого какие предложения?

Genuis,

kto umeyet, tot delayet dengi. Kto ne umeyet - uchit.

[StU]

У меня такой вопрос – если есть деньги, куда их вложить?

pls prosto perechislite mne na schet

[noodles]

stop offtoping guys.

[Vector]

do you really have 4-5mln bucks???
if you have why don't you think of doing business, in say US or UK?