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tarafdor
12-14-2005, 09:00 AM
Male Names
Names of Allah can be preceded with Abdul.
Abdul Aziz
Abdus if a name starts with 'S' eg Abdus Saboor Ahmad and Muhammad are often used before and after the names of Allah, Muhammad or others.
Muhammad Ali
Basheer Ahmad Biblical names in Arabic may be combined with names of Allah, Muhammad or others.
Muhammad Ali
Haroon GhaffarAbu added to the name of a Married man indicated that he is father of the child of the same name.
Abu Haroon means father of Haroon. Ibn or Bin Mean "Son of"
Adam bin Qurban-Ali means Adam son of Qurban-Ali
Female Names
A single woman can use the name of the father after the chosen name.
Maryaam Ahmad. The chosen name may be followed by Aaraa, Akthar, Begum, Jahaan, Khaanam, Khaatoon etc
Nasim Akthar
Zubaida Begum.Prefixing Umm means "Mother of".
Umm Hanifa means mother of Hanifa. Bint after female name indicates that she is the "Daugther of"
Salma Bint Hanifa means salma daughter of Hanifa The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) recommended that Muslims should be selective in the names of their children as part of the identity of a Muslim. He recommended that the most beautiful names are those which give servitude or praise to Allah.
Combinations of various names is a matter of personal liking and choice. Names of Allah should never be used alone. These should always be preceded by Abdul or should be combined with another name in such a way that the final name does not remain a specific attribute of Allah.
tarafdor
12-14-2005, 09:21 AM
Prohibited Names
There are also names which are contrary to the Shariah or which have meanings unacceptable to people of sound intellect and pure souls, so these names are to be avoided, since giving these names to the children would be a crime against their Deen (beliefs) and their manners because they would grow up connected to these names and the meanings which they carry.
The prohibited names are of two categories: those which are forbidden in the Shariah and those which are either disapproved of due to the Shariah, or due to manners and good taste.
Forbidden Names
1. Names indicating servitude to other than Allah (SWT) such as: 'Abdun-Nabee (slave of the Prophet), 'Abdur-Rasool (slave of the Messenger) and 'Abdul - Muttalib - and whatever is like these names. Just the same in meaning are ‘Ghulaamun-Nabee’ and Ghulaamur-Rasool’.
2. Using these names which are particular names of Allah (SWT)- the One far removed from all deficiencies - like: al-Ahad (the One and Only, Unique in his Lordship, names and attributes, and His right to worship. The One having no equal, no assistant, no rival and no one similar to Him), ar-Rahman (the Most Merciful) and al-Khaliq (the Creator).
3. From the names forbidden for our sons and daughters particular to our enemies, the Jews and the Christians, like: George, David, Michael, Joseph, Diana, Jaclyn etc., since use of these names causes - sooner or later - love of them and feeling of closeness to them and imitating them in their manners and their customs and we - the Muslims - have been forbidden to imitate our enemies and to have love for them and ties of friendship.
4. From the names which should also be avoided are the names of tyrants and despots like: Fir'awn (Pharaoh), Qaroon, Abu Jahl and their like, also the names of the leaders of Kufr and the heads of atheism such as Marx, Lenin and so on, since using their names would mean that one was pleased with their actions, and would mean imitation of them, and love of their systems of thought - and all this is forbidden.
Names Disapproved of in the Sharee'ah or Disliked Due to Good Manners of Good Taste
1. Giving names which are meant to show servitude to Allah (SWT) but using names not known to be from Allah's (SWT) perfect names - like 'Abdul-Mawjood, Abdul-Maqsood and 'Abdus-Sattar. This is because nothing can be affirmed as one of Allah's (SWT) names without an authentic text, and these names do not satisfy this as they are rather attributes and information, so it is to be feared that in this way we might fall into giving Allah (SWT) names which neither He nor His Messenger (SAW) used for Him.
2. From these names are those which carry meanings of pessimism, or blameworthy characteristics which will be disliked or cause aversion or cause the possessor of the name to feel degraded, humiliated and such as will kill his personality - like Harb (war), Himar (donkey), and Kalb (dog) - and their like which are usually given as names by people of the desert of countryside.
3. From good manners is to avoid naming children with names which are suggestive or offend one's meaning of shame - such as: Huyam (one passionately in love), Nuhad (A young woman with full and raised breasts), Saham (summer heat)!, Wisal (sexual union), Ghadah (delicate young woman), Fatin (temptress), Fitnah (temptation), Shadiyah (female singer) and names with similar meanings.
So fathers and mothers should steer clear of giving these kind of names to their children - since they are mostly names carried by the lunatic film actresses and dancers and using these names may be a danger to the children’s personality and to their society - since they will grow up having an attachment and fondness for them along with the meaning they convey and for those infamous persons who carry these names. This may then lead them to imitate those people and follow their way, slowly losing their Islamic personality - and it is to Allah (SWT) that we turn for aid.
4. It is also disliked to give names which amount to a declaration of a person's being pious like: Barrah (pious / piety) and the like - due to this meaning the Messenger of Allah (SAW) changed the name of one of his wives from Barrah to Zaynab, as he used to hate that it be said: "He left/went out from 'Barrah' (piety)."
5. From these names which it is disliked to use for naming are the names of the Angels. Particularly if they are used for females - such as Malik since it is to be feared that this involves imitation of the pagans who gave feminine names to the angels. But as regards to their use for males - then that is disliked by Malik, but allowed by a group of the scholars since the Hadith prohibiting it is not authentic.
tarafdor
12-14-2005, 09:22 AM
6. Just as it is disliked to name with the names of Surahs of the Quran such as: TaHa, Yaseen and other names of Surahs. This is the saying of Imam Malik (Ra) - Ibnul- Qayyim also said: "The saying of the common people that Yaseen and TaHa are from the names of the Prophet (SAW) is not correct, there is no 'Sahih' Hadith about it or any 'Hasan' Hadith, nor anything 'Mursal' [having a missing link between the Tabiee and the Prophet (SAW)], nor any narration from any Companion, but rather they are letters like 'Alif Lam Meem', 'Ha Meem', 'Alif Lam Raa' and the like."
7. It is disliked to give names 'Yasar' (Ease), 'Rabah' (Profit), 'Najeeh' (Successful), 'Aflah' Prosperous), 'Ya'la' (Elevated)' and Barakah' (Blessing) since the Messenger (SAW) forbade that with his saying:
"Do not call your boy Yasar, nor Rabah, nor Najeeh, nor Aflah, since you will say: Is he there?' So it will be said: 'No'. Indeed they are four, so do not attribute more to me." (Muslim, Abu Dawud & At-Tirmidhee)
And the forbiddence of Ya'a and Barakah occurs in another Hadith reported by Muslim.
Changing Prohibited Names
The Messenger (SAW) used to love names which were good in their wording and meaning and he used to hate other names, prohibit them and change them. From these names which the Messenger (SAW) changed was:
‘Aasiyah (Disobedient) - he changed her name to Jameelah (Beautiful and Good) (Reported by Muslim & Abu Dawud)
He (SAW) also said to a man, "What is your name?" So he replied: "Hazn (Roughness). So he (SAW) said: "Rather you are Sahl (Smooth). (Reported by Al-Bukhari & Abu Dawud
‘Barrah (Pious Woman) to Zaynab (Reported by Muslim)
As-Surm (Separation) to Sa’eed (Al-Bukhari)
Asram (Cut Off) to Zur’ah (Sown Seed) (Reported by Abu Dawud)
· Jaththamah (Signifying Inactivity) to Husanah (Good and Beautiful) (Reported by al-Hakim)
Shihab (Flame and Fire) to Hisham (Reported by Al-Bukhari)
· Harb (War) to Silm (Peace) (Reported by Abu Dawud)
· Banuz-Zinyah (Sons of Fornication) to Banur-Rashdah (Sons of Lawful Marriage) (Reported by Abu Dawud).
Prohibited Names
‘Abdul-Maqsood
‘Abdul-Mawjood
Abdul-Muttalib
‘Abdun-Nabee (slave of the Prophet)
‘Abdur-Rasool (slave of the Messenger)
‘Abdus-Sattar
Aasiyah (disobedient: not same as Pharaoh’s wife)
Abu Jahl
Aflah (prosperous)
al-Ahad
al-Khaliq (the Creator)
ar-Rahman (the Most Merciful)
Asram (cut off)
Banuz-Zinyah (sons of fornication)
Barakah (blessing)
Barrah (pious / piety)
David (Name given to Prophet Dawud (AS) in the Bible)
Diana
Fatin (temptress)
Firawn (Pharaoh)
Fitnah (temptation)
George
Ghadah (delicate young woman)
Ghulaamun-Nabee
Ghulaamur-Rasool
Harb (war)
Hazn (roughness)
Himar (donkey)
Huyam (one passionately in love)
Jaclyn
Jaththamah (signifying inactivity)
Joseph (name given to Prophet Yusuf (AS) in the Bible)
Kalb (dog)
Lenin
Malak (name of an angel)
Marx
Michael
Najeeh (successful)
Names of Jews and Christians
Nuhad (a young woman with full and raised breasts)
Qaroon
Rabah (profit)
Saham (summer heat)
Shadiyah (female singer)
Shihab (flame and fire)
Surah in Quran
TaHa (Surah in Quran)
Wisal (sexual union)
Ya’la (elevated)
Yasar (ease)
[SIZE=3]Yaseen (Surah in Quran)
http://www.themuslimwoman.com/IslamicNames/ProhibitedNames.htm
I do not know which brand of evil Islam you prescribe to, but you should have studied the bible as a proper muslim. These are all followers of God who have done his work. Why would God be offended by such names??? Also, why is friendship such a terrible things between God's creatures???
3. From the names forbidden for our sons and daughters particular to our enemies, the Jews and the Christians, like: George, David, Michael, Joseph, Diana, Jaclyn etc., since use of these names causes - sooner or later - love of them and feeling of closeness to them and imitating them in their manners and their customs and we - the Muslims - have been forbidden to imitate our enemies and to have love for them and ties of friendship.
Zamon
12-14-2005, 09:44 AM
wooooow! this is really suprising, my uncle's sons names are : AbduHoliq, Abdusattar, Abdumuttalib, AbduVohid, AbduHalil, Abdurashid (yep he got 6 sons) and all of them relegious people (mumin muslim) go to mosque all the time etc etc. My uncle last yeat actually did Hadj to Saudia, but i can see names here almost all of them "not good name". I guess he didnt knew it.
so what will happen to those guys now? i mean is there are punishment coz of their names?
wooooow! this is really suprising, my uncle's sons names are : AbduHoliq, Abdusattar, Abdumuttalib, AbduVohid, AbduHalil, Abdurashid (yep he got 6 sons) and all of them relegious people (mumin muslim) go to mosque all the time etc etc. My uncle last yeat actually did Hadj to Saudia, but i can see names here almost all of them "not good name". I guess he didnt knew it.
so what will happen to those guys now? i mean is there are punishment coz of their names?
in Islam no one get punished for doing something that he doesn't know its Haram.
in Islam no one get punished for doing something that he doesn't know its Haram.
Someone should tell them.
Why? Because it is prohibited and I presume someone should inform them so that they won't name their children the same way.
Then if they don't change their names, they will be punished.
Is that how it works in Islam?
Delf.
Akhee-Abdullah
12-14-2005, 06:36 PM
Someone should tell them.
Why? Because it is prohibited and I presume someone should inform them so that they won't name their children the same way.
Then if they don't change their names, they will be punished.
Is that how it works in Islam?
Delf.
Ya Kafir why do not remove your avatar, before blubbing about Islaam? Then we will discuss with you the rulings about this issue.
Understand? Stop barking, you aint a dog.
Ya Kafir why do not remove your avatar, before blubbing about Islaam? Then we will discuss with you the rulings about this issue.
Understand? Stop barking, you aint a dog.
Reminds me one more time about this topic:
http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=25250
Delf.
Mona Lisa
12-14-2005, 07:45 PM
4. From the names which should also be avoided are the names of tyrants and despots like: Fir'awn (Pharaoh), Qaroon, Abu Jahl and their like, also the names of the leaders of Kufr and the heads of atheism such as Marx, Lenin and so on, since using their names would mean that one was pleased with their actions, and would mean imitation of them, and love of their systems of thought - and all this is forbidden.
How judgemental one can get?! Marx was single person, an individual he is dead and end of story. Nothing got to do with his name, there are millions of Marxes in the world. Could be those people don't even know Karl Marx, not to mention loving his idealogy. I can not believe that someone developed such a illogical notion. That's just a joke!
Frida
12-14-2005, 07:46 PM
Ya Kafir why do not remove your avatar, before blubbing about Islaam? Then we will discuss with you the rulings about this issue.
Understand? Stop barking, you aint a dog.
I am pretty sure you will say something about my avatar too, but I dont give a flying f**k. If you dont know how to keep the discsussion, maybe you shouldn't destroy it at least?? Why not respond Delf normally instead of using so many humiliating words. It actually you who is squeaking here, not even barking.
MUHLIS
12-14-2005, 10:56 PM
I realized that one of our far relatives named her son as "Ma'bud"!
That caused a hude dissatisfaction and anger among us, but it was her wish to give a "unique" name to her son which she is raising as a divorced single parent.
We never call him as "Ma'bud" and gave a nickname of "Maqsud".
tarafdor
12-14-2005, 11:07 PM
And finally, I don't believe this article about forbidden names. For example in my opinion, claiming biblical names to be forbidden is the stupidest thing in the world. There are too many muslims out there with names similar to those of jewish or christian people for this fact to hold true. Is it possible that generations of muslims "forgot" about forbidden names and someone after hundreds of years remembers about this fact?
David (Dovud), Solomon (Sulaymon), Jesus (Iso), Moses (Muso) etc - these people are accepted to be Prophets, messengers of God, in Islam world. At the same these names are given to jewish and christian people. Mohammed (Muhammad) is also the name of Prophet - the last messanger of Allah. So how come it is OK to call your child with one prophet's name and it is forbidden to call with another's name? No logic. Although Prophet Muhammed is the most respected of all, we still show genuine and deep respect to all messangers of Allah and not discriminate on the basis of race, religion or language.
Guest
Since you are the guest to this forum I will try to explain you in brief...in the text above by the word biblical the author means don't look for names in the Bible...Quran has all Islamic names as well as Bible in it's Biblical alternative....but there are some names that you can't find in Quran,so in this case its prohibited...name as Isa but not Jesus..or name as Daoud not as David...so don't be confussed with the word biblical and islamic...peace:lol:
Akhee-Abdullah
12-15-2005, 07:15 AM
I am pretty sure you will say something about my avatar too, but I dont give a flying f**k. If you dont know how to keep the discsussion, maybe you shouldn't destroy it at least?? Why not respond Delf normally instead of using so many humiliating words. It actually you who is squeaking here, not even barking.
Never be so sure, I have no comments about your avatar. Do not be so sure that I will do something, only Allah knows what I will and wont do.
Take care.
Akhee-Abdullah
12-15-2005, 07:19 AM
WOW :), first of all, how can you claim that Delf is Kafir if you don't even know him personally. Secondly even if he is Kafir, does not it make sense to talk to Kafir about religion so that he/she changes mind and comes to God? Thirdly, he is moderator and you are not :) so he gets to decide who should bark and who not :) (just kidding).
And finally, I don't believe this article about forbidden names. For example in my opinion, claiming biblical names to be forbidden is the stupidest thing in the world. There are too many muslims out there with names similar to those of jewish or christian people for this fact to hold true. Is it possible that generations of muslims "forgot" about forbidden names and someone after hundreds of years remembers about this fact?
David (Dovud), Solomon (Sulaymon), Jesus (Iso), Moses (Muso) etc - these people are accepted to be Prophets, messengers of God, in Islam world. At the same these names are given to jewish and christian people. Mohammed (Muhammad) is also the name of Prophet - the last messanger of Allah. So how come it is OK to call your child with one prophet's name and it is forbidden to call with another's name? No logic. Although Prophet Muhammed is the most respected of all, we still show genuine and deep respect to all messangers of Allah and not discriminate on the basis of race, religion or language.
Guest
I know him, he openly acknowledge he disbelieves in Islaamic beliefs. Whoever does not acknowledge a disbeliever, is indeed disbeliever/kafir, he himself is a Kafir. Too Much off topic.
This guy is a provacator, put this avatar on after infamous Alex's signature case.
Long story...ask Delf for the details : )
I will respect him, if he respects other forumers by removing his Avatar if he wants to post about Islaamic topics or comment on them.
Akhee-Abdullah
12-15-2005, 07:21 AM
Reminds me one more time about this topic:
http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=25250
Delf.
Reminds me of http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=324182&postcount=25 and
http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=324218&postcount=28
My doubts and questions about your religion "Democracy" or Hypocricy the way I call it were left unanswered....U care for continuing the discussion? Or you want pitbull fight in the Religion Board ?? : )
Take care.
Someone should tell them.
Why? Because it is prohibited and I presume someone should inform them so that they won't name their children the same way.
Then if they don't change their names, they will be punished.
Is that how it works in Islam?
Delf.
I misused the word "punished"
I should have said get a sin
Ya Kafir why do not remove your avatar, before blubbing about Islaam? Then we will discuss with you the rulings about this issue.
Understand? Stop barking, you aint a dog.
Brother,
this is not the way that we learned about talking to people wether they are Muslem or not. Islam is a religion of mercy and good deeds.
guest2005
12-15-2005, 10:53 AM
To Tarafdor:
I still don't buy your reasoning. I should not use name David, but I can use Dovud :). Isn't it funny that letters make a difference? Russian people pronounce as David, English people pronounce Deyvid, Uzbek people pronounce Dovud, Arab people pronounce Doud. But the substance is the same - it is still the name of the same person and nomatter how you pronounce it does not change its substance.
Even the name of Jesus is used very differently in different christian cultures. And I am sure Arab (or Uzbek) christians would call him Iso (not Jesus) just like muslims do.
Regarding the names starting with Abdul (i.e. Abdul-Mutallib) and other popular names. According to Islam, Imam has to call the name of the muslim child into his/her ear and thus NAMING the child. At the same time Imam has to be knowledgeable about Islamic laws. So how can a knowledgeable Imam name a muslim child with forbidden name? If Imam names the child with the forbidden name then he is either not knowledgeable or the name is not forbidden.
Since names like Abdul-Mutallib (or Abdumutal in Uzbek version) have been present among population for ages I am more inclined to believe that names like Abdul Mutallib are not forbidden. Because it would be silly to consider the fact that for almost 1.5 thousand years all Imam's did not about this simple rule.
Guest
To Tarafdor:
I still don't buy your reasoning. I should not use name David, but I can use Dovud :). Isn't it funny that letters make a difference? Russian people pronounce as David, English people pronounce Deyvid, Uzbek people pronounce Dovud, Arab people pronounce Doud. But the substance is the same - it is still the name of the same person and nomatter how you pronounce it does not change its substance.
Even the name of Jesus is used very differently in different christian cultures. And I am sure Arab (or Uzbek) christians would call him Iso (not Jesus) just like muslims do.
Regarding the names starting with Abdul (i.e. Abdul-Mutallib) and other popular names. According to Islam, Imam has to call the name of the muslim child into his/her ear and thus NAMING the child. At the same time Imam has to be knowledgeable about Islamic laws. So how can a knowledgeable Imam name a muslim child with forbidden name? If Imam names the child with the forbidden name then he is either not knowledgeable or the name is not forbidden.
Since names like Abdul-Mutallib (or Abdumutal in Uzbek version) have been present among population for ages I am more inclined to believe that names like Abdul Mutallib are not forbidden. Because it would be silly to consider the fact that for almost 1.5 thousand years all Imam's did not about this simple rule.
Guest
the name Abdul-Mutalib was the name of The Prophet's (pbuh) grandfather,
his real name was Shaiba, and once when he was a child (Abdul-Mutalib) went to visit his uncle out in the desert, and by the effect of the sun his skin turned into darker colour, so when he came back to Makkah with his uncle (his name was Mutalib) the people saw a dark young man with Mutalib so they thought that this is his slave. So they called him Abdul-Matalib (the slave of Al-Matualib) and this name was more famous than his real name Shaiba.
so I think its not appropriate to call somebody the slave of Al-Mutalib.
we are slaves and servants of Allah.
Male Names
Names of Allah can be preceded with Abdul.
Abdul Aziz
Abdus if a name starts with 'S' eg Abdus Saboor Ahmad and Muhammad are often used before and after the names of Allah, Muhammad or others.
Muhammad Ali
Basheer Ahmad Biblical names in Arabic may be combined with names of Allah, Muhammad or others.
Muhammad Ali
Haroon GhaffarAbu added to the name of a Married man indicated that he is father of the child of the same name.
Abu Haroon means father of Haroon. Ibn or Bin Mean "Son of"
Adam bin Qurban-Ali means Adam son of Qurban-Ali
Female Names
A single woman can use the name of the father after the chosen name.
Maryaam Ahmad. The chosen name may be followed by Aaraa, Akthar, Begum, Jahaan, Khaanam, Khaatoon etc
Nasim Akthar
Zubaida Begum.Prefixing Umm means "Mother of".
Umm Hanifa means mother of Hanifa. Bint after female name indicates that she is the "Daugther of"
Salma Bint Hanifa means salma daughter of Hanifa The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) recommended that Muslims should be selective in the names of their children as part of the identity of a Muslim. He recommended that the most beautiful names are those which give servitude or praise to Allah.
Combinations of various names is a matter of personal liking and choice. Names of Allah should never be used alone. These should always be preceded by Abdul or should be combined with another name in such a way that the final name does not remain a specific attribute of Allah.
thank you bro
but I don't think that there are certain rules to follow in naming muslims
you can choose any name as long as it doesn't have bad meaning or its conflicting with Islamic teachings.
the prophet said "the beest names are Abdullah and abdulrahman and the rightest are Hammam (one who's intending to do something) and Hareth (the one who's doing something)"
guest2005
12-15-2005, 12:02 PM
the name Abdul-Mutalib was the name of The Prophet's (pbuh) grandfather,
his real name was Shaiba, and once when he was a child (Abdul-Mutalib) went to visit his uncle out in the desert, and by the effect of the sun his skin turned into darker colour, so when he came back to Makkah with his uncle (his name was Mutalib) the people saw a dark young man with Mutalib so they thought that this is his slave. So they called him Abdul-Matalib (the slave of Al-Matualib) and this name was more famous than his real name Shaiba.
so I think its not appropriate to call somebody the slave of Al-Mutalib.
we are slaves and servants of Allah.
Aziz thanks,
now it makes much more sense than simple prohibition. Agree with you that a person can not name his son a slave of someone. However, not every name has this kind of story behind it. What about so many other names starting with Abdul ? Abul hakim, Abdul masjid, Abdul aziz? Not all of them are names of Allah. How can religious people allow these names to be given to muslim children?
Guest
Aziz thanks,
now it makes much more sense than simple prohibition. Agree with you that a person can not name his son a slave of someone. However, not every name has this kind of story behind it. What about so many other names starting with Abdul ? Abul hakim, Abdul masjid, Abdul aziz? Not all of them are names of Allah. How can religious people allow these names to be given to muslim children?
Guest
Al-Hakim and Al-Aziz are two of Allah's many names
my name is Abdul-Aziz, my uncles names are Abdul-Hamid, Abdul-Majid and Abdul-Mo'een, my grandfather's name is AbdulRa'ouf and all of the name are Allah's names.
e.g: Al-Rahman, Al-Raheem, Al-Afo, Al-Ghafoor, Al-Jabbar, Al-Motakabber, Al-Azeem, Al-Shakoor, Al-Ghafoor, Al-Saboor, Al-Haleem, Al-Kareem and so many.
you can visit this site for more info
http://www.abc.se/~m9783/n/an_e.html (http://www.abc.se/%7Em9783/n/an_e.html)
MegaZ
12-15-2005, 02:18 PM
What a bunch of crap this article is.
3. From the names forbidden for our sons and daughters particular to our enemies, the Jews and the Christians, like
Since when did Jews and the Christians become enemies of Islam? Prohibited names?!?! By whom? By prophet Mohammed S.A.V. himself or by some moron?
asena
12-15-2005, 03:45 PM
Accepting Jews and Christians as "enemies" never increases dosage of our religion.So we'd better discuss more logical things either then these names.
The first time I am hearing "Davud" is helal and "David" is haram.Please be mature my friend!A person should decide her/his son's/daughter's name either a relative's name for respect,either his nation's hero's name as respect,either a religoius name as respect.A muslim Russian guy can name his son as Marx.I don't see anything aganist religion.
On the other hand,Ralman Rusdi has publicated "SATANIC VERSES".So people with names "rushdie" are kafirs?
On the other hand,Ralman Rusdi has publicated "SATANIC VERSES".So people with names "rushdie" are kafirs?
don't be stupid brother,
the word kafir is not easy to say it to a muslim.
not every body who commits a sin called kafir.
you can name salman..or even rushdie
you can name anything as long as it doen't have a bad meaning or it's conlicting with Islam teachings. But the most important thing that you have to know what does your name mean.
asena
12-15-2005, 05:20 PM
don't be stupid brother,
the word kafir is not easy to say it to a muslim.
not every body who commits a sin called kafir.
you can name salman..or even rushdie
you can name anything as long as it doen't have a bad meaning or it's conlicting with Islam teachings. But the most important thing that you have to know what does your name mean.
my respond was not for you.It was for the first thread of this topic.Why do you take the responsibility as a lawyer?
The thread's first topic says that "Marx" is forbidden.I say that a muslim Russian may give this name to his child.Cause Marx was not the first atheist,there were thousands of Marx before he was born.One "Marx" can't make the others "atheist".If so,I say that "Rushdie" is more dangerous,maybe you don't know what Salman Rushdie did.
Reminds me of http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=324182&postcount=25 and
http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=324218&postcount=28
My doubts and questions about your religion "Democracy" or Hypocricy the way I call it were left unanswered....U care for continuing the discussion? Or you want pitbull fight in the Religion Board ?? : )
Take care.
How blind can you be?
Delf-you cannot define democracy for forum.uz members, at least not for me!!!
and just above that:
By Democracy I assume Liberal Democracy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy
And regarding provocation: in fundamentalist's eyes everything opponent says or does is a provocation.
And I could go on and on and on pointing out flaws in your reasoning, I just don't want to waste my time because you have a fanatical beleif and will not listen to logical arguments. In fact, I somewhat enjoyed my discussion with Kumushbibi (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=23272), because she was honest and open-minded compared to you. And I will not answer every single post of you, or Harun-Yahya, or Nurik, I just don't have so much time to waste.
Delf.
my respond was not for you.It was for the first thread of this topic.Why do you take the responsibility as a lawyer?
The thread's first topic says that "Marx" is forbidden.I say that a muslim Russian may give this name to his child.Cause Marx was not the first atheist,there were thousands of Marx before he was born.One "Marx" can't make the others "atheist".If so,I say that "Rushdie" is more dangerous,maybe you don't know what Salman Rushdie did.
I apologize for my mistake...
asena
12-16-2005, 06:28 AM
I apologize for my mistake...
Never mind ;)
tarafdor
12-16-2005, 08:34 AM
What a bunch of crap this article is.
Since when did Jews and the Christians become enemies of Islam? Prohibited names?!?! By whom? By prophet Mohammed S.A.V. himself or by some moron?
Megaz....jews and christians became enemies of Islam since the advent of Islam...it's very simple why...without searching and giving conter-arguments you have no rights to say this post as bunch of crap article...moron is one who's angered not by islamic way of behaviour but by the power of devil
If you need proof from sunnah and Quran here it is brother..just have patience to read it carefully...Ma assalama
Names
According to Quran and Sunnah
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If something is not classified as haram (prohibited) in the Deen (religion/way of life of a Muslim), then it is halal (permitted). Retaining a name that (1) does not identify itself with/contain anything Islamically forbidden and (2) is not a Name of Allah http://muttaqun.com/graphics/swt1.gif, has not been declared haram.
It is according to sunnah (the examples of the Prophet's life what he said, did, implemented, how he implemented), to change a bad name (whether it is an Arabic name or any other language) immediately, and it is permissible according to sunnah to exchange a name for a better one.
According to Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, "...if one's name is Abdul-Messiah, for example, or similar such names, then he is obligated to change it, as the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif had people with the names Abdul-Ka'bah and Abdul-Uzzah change their names upon accepting Islam. If the original name does not comprise or imply anything forbidden in Islam, then he or she is permitted to retain it (such as the name George, for example). As noted, though, it is preferable to change it to an Islamic name, as this also distinguishes him or her from the kuffaar."
While it is not haram to retain the name under the conditions listed above, the Muslim has a responsibility to the Sunnah of the Prophet , and is encouraged to choose "the best of names"; and the best of names are the humblest, insha'Allah. In addition, the best of names we have on this side of life, will be what we are called by in Paradise, insha'Allah.
We should not cut the ties to our father, and it is correct to retain the name of the father, even in the Muslim's newly converted name. i.e. "Abu Ameenah Bilal Phillips"... he chose (or was given, by another Muslim) the name "Bilal" after the well-known companion Bilal, used the name "Abu Ameenah" meaning father of his daughter Ameenah, and he retained his father's last name, "Philips". Women are not encouraged to change their last name to their new husband's last name upon marriage, in situations where her father's last name is known.
While it is halal and encouraged to have a humble name such as "Abdur Rahman" (servant/slave of the most Beneficent [Allah]), having the name "Al-Rahman" ("Al-" means "The") is not permissible because it is the same as the Name of Allah, and no-one should compare themselves to Allah swt.
Called by the Name of the Father, even if Reverting to Islam
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab (33:4-5)
Allâh has not put for any man two hearts inside his body. Neither has He made your wives whom you declare to be like your mothers' backs, your real mothers. [AzZihâr is the saying of a husband to his wife, "You are to me like the back of my mother" i.e. You are unlawful for me to approach.], nor has He made your adopted sons your real sons. That is but your saying with your mouths. But Allâh says the truth, and He guides to the (Right) Way.
Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allâh. But if you know not their father's (names, call them) your brothers in faith and Mawâlîkum (your freed slaves). And there is no sin on you if you make a mistake therein, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend. And Allâh is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
Names that are Disliked
Hadith - Bukhari (#819), Muslim, Abu Dawud, and Tirmidhi
Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet of Allah said, "The name most detested by Allah is 'Malik Al-Amlak' ('King of Kings.')"
Hadith - Muwatta 54.24 Malik http://muttaqun.com/graphics/ranhu.gif related to me from Yahya ibn Said http://muttaqun.com/graphics/ranhu.gif that the Messenger of Allah asked about a milk camel about to be milked, "Who milks this camel?" A man stood up. The Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "What is your name?" The man said, "Murra (bitterness)." The Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said to him, "Sit down." Then he said, "Who milks this one?" A man stood up and the Messenger of Allah http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "What is your name?" He said, "Harb (war)." The Messenger of Allah, said, "Sit down." Then he said, "Who milks this camel?" A man stood up, and the Messenger of Allah, http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said to him, "What is your name?" The man said, ''Yaish (he lives)." The Messenger of Allah, said to him, "Milk!"
tarafdor
12-16-2005, 08:36 AM
Prohibited Names
Hadith - Bukhari 1:110, Narrated Abu Huraira
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "Name yourselves with my name (use my name) but do not name yourselves with my Kunya name (i.e. Abul Qasim)...."
Hadith - Muslim 5331, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif decided to forbid (his followers) to name persons as Ya'la (Elevated), Barakah (Blessing), Aflah (Successful), Yasar and Nafi', but I saw that he kept silent after that and he did not say anything until Allah's Messenger http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif died. And he did not forbid (his followers to do this), then Umar decided to prohibit (people) from giving these names, but later on gave up the idea.
Changing to a Better Name
Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #4774, Narrated 'Aisha
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif used to change a bad name.
Tirmidhi transmitted it.
Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 8.212, Narrated Abu Huraira
Zainab's original name was "Barrah," but it was said, "By that she is giving herself the prestige of piety." So the Prophet changed her name to Zainab.
Hadith - Dawud, Narrated AbuWahb, Hazn ibn AbuWahb
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif asked: What is your name?
He replied: Hazn (rugged).
He said: You are Sahl (smooth).
He said: No, smooth is trodden upon and disgraced.
Sa'id said: I then thought that ruggedness would remain among us after it.
Abu Dawud said: The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif changed the names al-'As, Aziz, Atalah, Shaytan, al-Hakam, Ghurab, Hubab, and Shihab and called him Hisham. He changed the name Harb (war) and called him Silm (peace). He changed the name al-Munba'ith (one who lies) and called him al-Mudtaji' (one who stands up). He changed the name of a land Afrah (barren) and called it Khadrah (green). He changed the name Shi'b ad-Dalalah (the mountain path of a stray), the name of a mountain path and called it Shi'b al-Huda (mountain path of guidance). He changed the name Banu az-Zinyah (children of fornication) and called them Banu ar-Rushdah (children of those who are on the right path), and changed the name Banu Mughwiyah (children of a woman who allures and goes astray), and called them Banu Rushdah (children of a woman who is on the right path). AbuDawud said: I omitted the chains of these for the sake of brevity.
Hadith (agreed upon)
The Prophet said, "Whoever shuns my Sunnah is never of me."
Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 8.212, Narrated Abu Huraira, .
Zainab's original name was "Barrah," but it was said, "By that she is giving herself the prestige of piety." So the Prophethttp://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif changed her name to Zainab.
Abu
It is common for Muslim fathers to be referred to as "Abu" plus the first name of their son. For example, Abu Turab literally means "Father of Turab."
Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 8.223, Narrated Sahl bin Sad
The most beloved names to 'Ali was Abu Turab, and he used to be pleased when we called him by it, for none named him Abu Turab (for the first time), but the Prophet . Once 'Ali got angry with (his wife) Fatima, and went out (of his house) and slept near a wall in the mosque. The Prophet came searching for him, and someone said, "He is there, lying near the wall." The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif came to him while his ('Ali's) back was covered with dust. The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif started removing the dust from his back, saying, "Get up, O Abu Turab!"
Naming after a Prophet
Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 8.218, Narrated Abu Musa
I got a son and I took him to the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif who named him Ibrahim, and put in his mouth the juice of a date fruit (which be himself had chewed, and invoked for Allah's blessing upon him, and then gave him back to me. He was the eldest son of Abu Musa.
Hadith - Abu Dawood, Narrated AbuWahb al-Jushami The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Call yourselves by the names of the Prophets. The names dearest to Allah are Abdullah and AbdurRahman, the truest are Harith and Hammam, and the worst are Harb and Murrah.
tarafdor
12-16-2005, 08:56 AM
Since when did Jews and the Christians become enemies of Islam? Prohibited names?!?! By whom? By prophet Mohammed S.A.V. himself or by some moron?
Let me give some ayats from the Quran brother..but the main is this....Believers, do not consider the Jews and Christians as your intimate friends for they are only friends with each other. Whoever does so will be considered as one of them. God does not guide the unjust people. (Maida:51)
In order to keep peace in the world we need to be tolerant in it's own limit nothing more...Allah swt is All-Knowing
Baqara-
We gave the Book to Moses and made the Messengers follow in his path. To Jesus, the son of Mary, We gave the miracles and supported him by the Holy Spirit. Why do you arrogantly belie some Messengers and murder others whenever they have brought you messages that you dislike? (2:87) They have said that their hearts cannot understand (what you, Muhammad, say). God has condemned them for their denial of the Truth. There are a very few of them who have faith (2:88).
They have said that no one can ever go to Paradise except the Jews or Christians, but this is only what they hope. Ask them to prove that their claim is true (2:111).
The Jews and Christians will never be pleased with you unless you follow their faith. (Muhammad) tell them that the guidance of God is the only true guidance. If you follow their wishes after all the knowledge that has come to you, you will no longer have God as your guardian and helper." (2:120)
Maida-
Believers, do not consider the Jews and Christians as your intimate friends for they are only friends with each other. Whoever does so will be considered as one of them. God does not guide the unjust people. (5:51)
The Jews have said, "God's hands are bound." May they themselves be handcuffed and condemned for what they have said! God's hands are free and He distributes His favors to His creatures however He wants. The rebellion and disbelief of many of them will be intensified against you because of what has been revealed to you from your Lord. We have induced hostility and hatred among them which will remain with them up until the Day of Judgment. Whenever they kindle the fire of war, God extinguishes it. They try to destroy the land but God does not love the evil-doers. (5:64)
The unbelievers among the Israelites, because of their disobedience and transgression, were condemned by David and Jesus, the son of Mary for their disobedience; they were transgressors (5:78).
Hadid-
Then We sent Our other Messengers to follow their traditions. After them We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, to whom We gave the Gospel. In the hearts of his followers We placed compassion and mercy. We did not command them to lead the monastic life. This was their own method of seeking the pleasure of God. Despite this intention, they did not properly observe it (the monastic life). To the believers among them, We gave their reward but many of them are evil-doers (-27).
SHOHRUHM1
12-16-2005, 09:56 AM
Someone should tell them.
Why? Because it is prohibited and I presume someone should inform them so that they won't name their children the same way.
Then if they don't change their names, they will be punished.
Is that how it works in Islam?
Delf.
Just wanted to say smth here.
some people just rush to be stupid, and i mean stupid. I assume there is some knowledge which was misused! here is the power of Knowledge, if you cant manage it u r just lost!
Akhee-Abdullah
12-16-2005, 10:55 AM
How blind can you be?
and just above that:
And regarding provocation: in fundamentalist's eyes everything opponent says or does is a provocation.
And I could go on and on and on pointing out flaws in your reasoning, I just don't want to waste my time because you have a fanatical beleif and will not listen to logical arguments. In fact, I somewhat enjoyed my discussion with Kumushbibi (http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=23272), because she was honest and open-minded compared to you. And I will not answer every single post of you, or Harun-Yahya, or Nurik, I just don't have so much time to waste.
Delf.
Delf - Can you please give me an actual example of Liveral Democracy? Boy do not tell me it is not a Utopian Thought of Some Bored Geeks of the Later 18th century?!!!
Indeed your action was to provoke muslim forumers by putting the image of the naked woman's sculpture. You may not necessarily be a provocator. But you wanted to provoke us. And again right after the incident with Alex.
I think you wanted to challenge and piss us off, with complete disrespect to your fellow forumers. Also think about this...how would you present yourself to your family members, especially your mother or 7 year old sister (if you have one) unless not a single bit of Uzbekness is left in you?!
Otherwise your previous avatar was perfectly fine, and never bothered forumers.
I mean you could say, "Who de hell cares what kinna avatar I hold here, holy smoky, mammamia, Italian makaroni!" But keep in mind muslim men and women are not supposed to look at or engage themselves in look at the naked men and women's pictures, sculptures be it for aesthetic purposes or pornography or just a random image....Yet you want to discuss with us your thoughts about religion. Do not be gullible, Delf...your actions do stir anger in people who really do care about their religion.
What would your reaction be "if my avatar showed capital punishment execution of the adulterer in Saudi Arabia or a logo "Death to Illegal Jewish State!!??!!" Probably you would have called it "barbaric", provoking extremism and what not. Of course I would not post that....there is no need to provoke people, plus I do not believe in them.
About me being fundamentalist, if following the religion of Allah by trying to adhere to the Quran and Sunnah is called fundamentalism or wahhabism, then let the world know "I am a Fundamentalist and Wahhabi." Though I never call myself with those insulting nicknames, I am a Muslim trying to follow the manhaj and aqidah of Ahlis Sunnah Wal Jamaah upon the jurispridence of Imam Abu Haneefah an-Numan.
Also about having a meaningful conversation with Kumushbibi, in the same thread you did have a respectful treatment from me as well I am sure you enjoyed my comments and were impressed by statement that Science and Religion should not be mixed. Let me help you to refresh your memory http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=285022&postcount=23 and http://www.forum.uz/showpost.php?p=285420&postcount=36 ....
You are leaving an impression on people that I have been mistreating you at all times...remember back then you did not provoke me with your Avatars.
Then you changed your Avatar right after the incident and started to post anti-Islaamic posts like http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=26318
You are indeed a big Islamophob...boy u want to deny this, but your actions prove otherwise...
Again...I leave this upon you...reflect about your actions...and how they affect people around you about what they think about you and your posts...
I will end this here, ya Kafir. Kafir, is not a statement meant to insult you. You are either a Muslim or Kafir, meaning believer in Islaam or a disbeliever in Islaam.
Cheers,
Pinkie
12-16-2005, 11:18 AM
Asalamu Alaikum...
Is it a must to change to a Muslim name? (especially for those who converted/reverted to Islam) I didn't change my name only because I don't think it has an offensive meaning:?
Zamon
12-16-2005, 12:59 PM
Asalamu Alaikum...
Is it a must to change to a Muslim name? (especially for those who converted/reverted to Islam) I didn't change my name only because I don't think it has an offensive meaning:?
your name is Pinkie? if so i guess you have to change :D
as long as your name does not have a bad meaning, there is no need to change it.
do you know that there was a Prophet named Daniel???
it's no big deal...
Royal
12-21-2005, 02:46 PM
What a bunch of crap this article is.
Since when did Jews and the Christians become enemies of Islam? Prohibited names?!?! By whom? By prophet Mohammed S.A.V. himself or by some moron?
I think previose post tarafdor give more explanation, but here my own word too:
word "prohibited" meens that by own understanding in arabic:
Same as: AbdulRahmon - Abdul - Abdu - Slave of the Rahmon - GOD's one of the names
but when name : AbduRasool - Salve of the Messenegr (SAW)??
it is kind of odd, becouse can not be slave of the Messenger (SAW), should be only slave of the GOD, Messenger is Messenger (SAW) not a GOD...
This may explain by itself..
About that in own time i posted such a post : Importance of the Naming children to Parents (esimda yoq, osha hozir nimaydi postni ismi :( )
All the names given to children by parents should have better mening, without knowingly parents may do the sin in the name of they children.
That is may idea of understanding.
GOD knows better
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