Merry Christmas - Any Uzbek Christians?

[Believer]

Merry Christmas everyone! I'd love to hear from other Christian brothers and sisters in this forum and to find out about their journeys with our Lord God Jesus Christ. With much love. Let us sing in this joyous symbolic day of the birth of the Saviour of this world.

Hark the herald angels sing

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the newborn King
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled
Joyful, all ye nations, rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With the angelic host proclaim
Christ is born in Bethlehem
Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the newborn King

Christ, by highest heaven adored
Christ, the everlasting Lord
Late in time behold him come
Offspring of the Virgin's womb
Veiled in flesh the God head see
Hail the incarnate Deity
Pleased as man with man to dwell
Jesus, our Emmanuel

Mild he lays his glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Risen with healing in his wings
Light and life to all he brings
Hail, the Sun of Righteousness
Hail, the Heaven born Prince of Peace
Hail the Heaven born Prince of Peace
Hail the Son of Righteousness
Light and life to all He brings
Risen with healing in His wings
Mild He lay His glory by
Born that man no more may die

Come Desire of nations come
Fix in us thy humble home
Rise, the woman's conquering seed
Bruise in us the serpent's head
Adam's likeness now efface
Stamp thine image in its place


Joy to the world

Joy to the world, the Lord is come
Let earth receive her King
Let every heart prepare Him room
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven, and nature sing

Joy to the earth, the Savior reigns
Let men their songs employ
While fields and floods
Rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat, repeat the sounding joy

No more let sins and sorrows grow
Nor thorns infest the ground
He comes to make His blessing flow
Far as the curse is found
Far as the curse is found
Far as, far as the curse is found

He rules the world with truth and grace
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness
And wonders of His love
And wonders of His love
And wonders, of His love



Mary, did you know

Mary, did you know
That your baby boy will one day walk on water?
Did you know
That your baby boy will save our sons and daughters?
Did you know
That your baby boy has come to make you new?
This child that you've delivered
Will soon deliver you

Mary, did you know
That your baby boy will give sight to a blind man?
Did you know
That your baby boy will calm a storm with His hand?
Did you know
That your baby boy has walked where angels trod?
And when you kiss your little boy
You've kissed the face of God

Mary, did you know?
The blind will see
The deaf will hear
And the dead will live again
The lame will leap
The dumb will speak
The praises of the Lamb

Mary, did you know
That your baby boy is Lord of all creation?
Did you know
That your baby boy will one day rules the nations?
Did you know
That your baby boy is heaven's perfect Lamb?
This sleeping child you're holding
Is the Great I Am


To introduce myself, I'm originally from Toshkent, now living in the US, became a Christian 3 years ago, much to the dismay of my family. I love Jesus very much and learning how to live a life worthy of his name. Blessings to you.

[Alouddin]

Dear above user: there is a forum-wide rule that provides for putting restrictions on usernames that our users can take up. Based on that, may I ask you to kindly remove/alter your username. This is the first and last warning.

Peace,

Observer

[Manager]

Merry Christmas everyone! I'd love to hear from other Christian brothers and sisters in this forum and to find out about their journeys with our Lord God Jesus Christ. With much love. Let us sing in this joyous symbolic day of the birth of the Saviour of this world.

***

To introduce myself, I'm originally from Toshkent, now living in the US, became a Christian 3 years ago, much to the dismay of my family. I love Jesus very much and learning how to live a life worthy of his name. Blessings to you.

namuncha ko'payishib qolishdi bular oxirgi paytda? Umidchilar bilan astoydil shug'illanishyaptimi deyman. O'zbekka baribir boshqa din yarashmas ekan. ateist bo'sa ham tushunishag harakat qilardim. lekin ...

[habibtoshmatov]

Never feel embarrassed or discriminated because of who you are or what faith you belong to. Everybody is equal in front of God.
Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindu or whatever, There is only one God.
Let's be brothers and sisters and live in peace!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!

>To introduce myself, I'm originally from Toshkent, now living in the US, became a Christian 3 years ago, much to the dismay of my family. I love Jesus very much and learning how to live a life worthy of his name. Blessings to you.[/QUOTE]

[democrat]

Who is gonna give you warning for using some arabic words and usernames? Is there anybody above you who controls your action?
I see, you are admin or moderator but it does not mean that you can set the rules the way you want. look at you signature, it is in arabic.
if you want to ban christian words and phrases then ban islam words as well.

Thanks

Dear above user: there is a forum-wide rule that provides for putting restrictions on usernames that our users can take up. Based on that, may I ask you to kindly remove/alter your username. This is the first and last warning.

Peace,

Observer

[MegaZ]

Alouddin is right - you can't use such names as "Jesus" or "Muhammed" or "Karimov" in this forum. We've had too many problems because of that and decided to disallow those names. That's why he put underscores between Jesus - because it's a disallowed nickname.

_J_E_S_U_S_: I went ahead and changed your username based on your email address.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!

[Royal]

Who is gonna give you warning for using some arabic words and usernames? Is there anybody above you who controls your action?
I see, you are admin or moderator but it does not mean that you can set the rules the way you want. look at you signature, it is in arabic.
if you want to ban christian words and phrases then ban islam words as well.

Thanks

What is Your sign in horoscope: JIRAF or what ?
Untill know you did not get what was a point of moder and admin ?
Please, accept my appologies but, You'r must be dummes person in this forum that time...
You can not use any nick in religion name..such as prophets names kind off, did You get it or any other way to explain to You, let me know i will try once more ok...

Merry XMas

[democrat]

Do be such a smart boy..
kech bitta tuhumdek bola eding.. endi botta odamlarga akl orgatvossan, patsan..
I know who you area..
just shut up.. and do not talk to me again..
got that?

What is Your sign in horoscope: JIRAF or what ?
Untill know you did not get what was a point of moder and admin ?
Please, accept my appologies but, You'r must be dummes person in this forum that time...
You can not use any nick in religion name..such as prophets names kind off, did You get it or any other way to explain to You, let me know i will try once more ok...

Merry XMas

[Believer]

My user name was changed without PMing or emailing me first. I let the administrator know and requested a name change to the one I prefer. I don't agree with this rule of banning certain names, but am willing to follow the rules if it is in fact being enforced for everyone. I'm new so I learn as I go along. I'm looking forward to meeting anyone interested. Have a good day.

[Believer]

namuncha ko'payishib qolishdi bular oxirgi paytda? Umidchilar bilan astoydil shug'illanishyaptimi deyman. O'zbekka baribir boshqa din yarashmas ekan. ateist bo'sa ham tushunishag harakat qilardim. lekin ...

I didn't say I was "Umidchi". Please don't assume that. I say that with respect. Umid qilamanki siz oz dininingizni sizga yarashgani uchun qabul qilmadingiz. Bu hato bolgan bolardi. Man oz dinimni manga yarashgani yoki yarashmagani uchun emas, balki Hudoyi Taoloning marhamatiga sazovor bolish uchun tanladim. Ohiratda manga odamlarni nima degani emas, balki Hudoning ozi man haqimda nima deyishi muhimroq, chunki He is the Boss! May God bless you.

[Zamon]

Do be such a smart boy..
kech bitta tuhumdek bola eding.. endi botta odamlarga akl orgatvossan, patsan..
I know who you area..
just shut up.. and do not talk to me again..
got that?


so are you Christian or Muslim? Xristianlarda bitta gap bor agar birortasi o'ng yuzinga kul ursa sen unga chap yuzingni tutgin deb :D Kachon i kaerda tuhumdan chikkani bilan sizzi ishiyiz nima???? Bu Forum.uz bu degani har bitta inson o'z fikrini bildiradi. Just you dont have any right say to any one here in Forum.uz shut his/her mouth up. You one of ordinary members/users of this forum. And please this is about relegion. dosnt matter christian or muslim, as long as u belive to GOD u must talk people GOOD!

peace

Marry Christmas and Happy New Year

ps

Happy holidays ( happy Hanukah)

[Martingale]

ok i just back from christamas party. My friend, he is originaly from Poland, he is Catholic Christian, he asked me come over his place. Saturday, day off, so i told him yes. This was my first time Christmas party. So i went there, and they told me that Christmas eve they dont eate meat. Only fish and salads, and wine. They start eat holy bread and wish each other luck , happiness, and etc. I was confused becuase Christamas is Jesus Birthday, so means Christans must celebrate his Birthsday. why they wish each other luck and happiniess? I understand in New Year, but someones Birthday? anyways, was fun, i didn expect that people will give me presents. i got CDplayer, sweater, after shave gel and some books :D :D :D I mean i am always welocme for presents. Then next day morning they ask me try some drink, it was hot water mix with honey and spirt :D and some peppers, its like russian Samogon. was kinda good. I heard lot of stories about Jesus, of course argue abour everything, and come back home with presents

peace

Zamon

Shunday qilib nima ekan qissadan hissa?:rolleyes: Or you just wanted to tell us where you spent your christmas party and got lots of presents?

Im not being picky on you, but it seems to me that some of the forum users here are forgetting that Chrsitmas are not their hoildays!!!

I do not mind if muslim brothers or sisters say Happy Holidays(We got used to celebrate New year eve anyways or it's just winter holidays for me:) ), so long as they do not say Merry Christmas.

Kelayotgan Yangi Yilingiz Bilan, Dustlar!
S Nastupayushim!

[Shogird]

Shunday qilib nima ekan qissadan hissa?:rolleyes: Or you just wanted to tell us where you spent your christmas party and got lots of presents?

Im not being picky on you, but it seems to me that some of the forum users here are forgetting that Chrsitmas are not their hoildays!!!

I do not mind if muslim brothers or sisters say Happy Holidays(We got used to celebrate New year eve anyways or it's just winter holidays for me:) ), so long as they do not say Merry Christmas.

Kelayotgan Yangi Yilingiz Bilan, Dustlar!
S Nastupayushim!

Buyuk kelajakda keluvchi Shoh Iso Masih insonlar orasida tavvallud topgani bilan tabriklayman.

Bugun meni ham do'stlarim bayramga chaqirihsdi. Bir yosh eri-hotin oila keyin yana ularning ota -onasi va qizi. Ibodatdan keyin birdan uy egasi 'happy birthday' ashulasini boshlavordi. Men hayron bo'lib kimning tughilgan kuni desam, ular Iso ning tughilgani kuni deyishdi. Ho'sh o'tirib yahsi ovqatlandik, gaplashdik. Ular mendan X-mas Ozbekistonda qanday bo'ladi deb so'rashdi. Men ularga aytdim O'zbekistonda ko'pchilik aholi Musulmon, Iso Masihni taniganlar uyda yoki jamoada yig'ilib ashula aytadi dedim.
O'tirishimiz yahshi bo'ldi, o;yinlar oynadik. Spirtli ichimliklar bo'lmadi. Bu Masihiylar (free evangelicals)spirtli ichimlikka ichishmaydi. Ishqilib kun yahshi o'tdi.

[Zamon]

Shunday qilib nima ekan qissadan hissa?:rolleyes: Or you just wanted to tell us where you spent your christmas party and got lots of presents?

Im not being picky on you, but it seems to me that some of the forum users here are forgetting that Chrsitmas are not their hoildays!!!

I do not mind if muslim brothers or sisters say Happy Holidays(We got used to celebrate New year eve anyways or it's just winter holidays for me:) ), so long as they do not say Merry Christmas.

Kelayotgan Yangi Yilingiz Bilan, Dustlar!
S Nastupayushim!


well actually yeah i was try to tell where i spend this day, thats it. And that i got some presents, which was cool :D For me it DOSNT MATTER WHICH HOLIDAY, i just have fun, i am not relegios, me and my family back home celebrate New Year, this was first Christmas party for me. And i not think that this party convert me from being Muslim to Christian. I know this is not my holiday but i share this day with my close firiend, which is very very good guy ( i dont care he is christian or muslim as long he is good person). For me ALL relegios holdays are same. I am not fanatic-lunatic muslim guy. I know Allah is the GOD and Muhammad (SAW) is a messenger/prophet. And i can say Alhamdulilioh I am Muslim.

peace

[Shahnoz]

Marry Christmas and Happy new Year!!!
Prettige kerstdagen en Gelukkige nieuw jaar!!!

[Sayyoh]

Buyuk kelajakda keluvchi Shoh Iso Masih insonlar orasida (!) tavvallud topgani bilan tabriklayman.

Ibodatdan keyin birdan uy egasi 'happy birthday' ashulasini boshlavordi. Men hayron bo'lib kimning tughilgan kuni desam, ular Iso ning tughilgani kuni deyishdi. :rolleyes:

Ular mendan X-mas Ozbekistonda qanday bo'ladi deb so'rashdi. Men ularga aytdim O'zbekistonda ko'pchilik aholi Musulmon, Iso Masihni taniganlar uyda yoki jamoada yig'ilib ashula aytadi dedim.
ya'ni Musulmonlar Iso (as)ni tanishmaydi, a? :D yoki ayni Iso (as)ni tanigan Musulmonlar ashula aytishadimi?.. uyida... yoki jamoatda... :D :lool:

[R.Azimov]

O'nlab Merry christmas degan postcardlar jo'natishgan. changa bosib yotgandi.. (ATTACHED) odamlarga hayronsan,. Kuni bilan telefon qilib ham tabriklashaveradiee... Musulmonman deb xo'mraysam ham farqi yo'q ularga...

Yaqinda Bitta maqola o'qigandim, Xrisitian odam yozgandi. Christmas o'z ma'nosini yo'qotib, krackerlar, buzzlerlar, algoholiklar uchun bayramga aylanib qoldi, Business people taking advantage of that, christmas sale, christmas present, christmas falon, christmas chulon... What about poor people.?? - deb. Shu maqolada o'ziga sovg'a qilingan, umuman kiyilmaydigan o'lchami katta shimi, kichkina kuylagi.. borligini ham aytib o'tgandi.
Umuman o'ylab qarasak christmas haqiqatdan ham kuchini yo'qotib, tijorat yo'lida ishlaydigan bo'lib qolgan(UK da)

Disadvantage tomoni. Christianlar qatori Musulmon(va boshqa dinga ishonuvchilar) ham suffer qiladi chritmas kuni. Kecha butun UK bo'yicha umuman Jamoat transporti bo'lmadi. Bugun ham soat 10 dan boshlab ishga tushadi. Taxi ga qarab bo'lmaydi. Mini cablar 1 mile iga 15 pound charge qiladi... shuyam bayram bo'ldimi?? :D :D

[Guardian]

I was in a Christmas Party too. It was great. There weren't anything religious at all, thus it rocked. Ironically I got a present of Monty Pythons DVDs movie set that includes "Life Of Brian" too. To poeple who haven't watched or don't know "Life of Brian" here it comes a small copy & paste info from IMDB. Well, basicly the film makes laugh of Christianity and Christmas.
Brian is born on the original Christmas, in the stable next door. He spends his life being mistaken for a messiah.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/

[Akhee-Abdullah]

Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters, Assalam alaikum and May Allah preserve you upon the path traversed by the great Muslim ancestors of ours.

Please read this carefully before saying anything about Christmans or congratulating the Kuffar for their Idol Worship!!! With what mind and Iyman can a Muslim congratulate a Kafir for committing shirk and deserving Hell fire? Yet alone partaking in the acts of Shirk himself/herself? Unless s/he is ignorant of this. I ask Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala to guide us all to the straight path of those who neither Earned The Anger of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala nor Went Astray from the Straight Path designated by the Lord of Jesus (alayhissalati wassalam) , Muhammad (alayhissalati wassalam) and all other Messengers/Prophets.

Ameen.

Greeting the kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haraam, by consensus of the Ulema of Ahlis-Sunnah Wal-Jamaah, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah:

"Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."

Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . ."[al-Zumar 39:7]

". . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . ." [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

It is haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part in their celebrations.

Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

"Whoever imitates a people is one of them."

Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem:

"Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak."

Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the kuffaar feel proud of their religion.

Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion, to help them adhere steadfastly to it, and to make them victorious over their enemies, for He is the Strong and Omnipotent.

Majmoo’ah Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3/369

[democrat]

You will be sorry buddy for what you have said to me.
I promise!!

so are you Christian or Muslim? Xristianlarda bitta gap bor agar birortasi o'ng yuzinga kul ursa sen unga chap yuzingni tutgin deb :D Kachon i kaerda tuhumdan chikkani bilan sizzi ishiyiz nima???? Bu Forum.uz bu degani har bitta inson o'z fikrini bildiradi. Just you dont have any right say to any one here in Forum.uz shut his/her mouth up. You one of ordinary members/users of this forum. And please this is about relegion. dosnt matter christian or muslim, as long as u belive to GOD u must talk people GOOD!

peace

Marry Christmas and Happy New Year

ps

Happy holidays ( happy Hanukah)

[Zamon]

You will be sorry buddy for what you have said to me.
I promise!!


what??? dude i think u need professional help, go to Doctor before its too late. Or u always in Christams time full with joy of hatered to others? :P :P Santa didnt bring u present this year?? :cool:

anyws was fun to read, drink some beer and u will feel good


cheers

[Zamon]

Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters, Assalam alaikum and May Allah preserve you upon the path traversed by the great Muslim ancestors of ours.

Please read this carefully before saying anything about Christmans or congratulating the Kuffar for their Idol Worship!!! With what mind and Iyman can a Muslim congratulate a Kafir for committing shirk and deserving Hell fire? Yet alone partaking in the acts of Shirk himself/herself? Unless s/he is ignorant of this. I ask Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala to guide us all to the straight path of those who neither Earned The Anger of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala nor Went Astray from the Straight Path designated by the Lord of Jesus (alayhissalati wassalam) , Muhammad (alayhissalati wassalam) and all other Messengers/Prophets.

Ameen.


thanks for Information Abdullah, in Christmas day i didnt pray or sing a song like others, i just watch it. Coz for me this was intersting. Fist time i go there, in my heart i am Muslim (Alhamdulillah) But i think its not stop me to talk with people of different relegion. in Ramadan time, when we have Iftar, many time people of different faith participate. They were also like me, came to know what is Iftar and what is Ramadan. They listen Koran and eat Halal food, ask question about Islam. if i say "marry christmas" only due to respect to my friend ( he wish Happy Ramadan to me before) is it sin?

[Martingale]

well actually yeah i was try to tell where i spend this day, thats it. And that i got some presents, which was cool :D For me it DOSNT MATTER WHICH HOLIDAY, i just have fun, i am not relegios, me and my family back home celebrate New Year, this was first Christmas party for me. And i not think that this party convert me from being Muslim to Christian. I know this is not my holiday but i share this day with my close firiend, which is very very good guy ( i dont care he is christian or muslim as long he is good person). For me ALL relegios holdays are same. I am not fanatic-lunatic muslim guy. I know Allah is the GOD and Muhammad (SAW) is a messenger/prophet. And i can say Alhamdulilioh I am Muslim.

peace

I see what you are coming from. Like Santa (Guardian) you went to the party just to hang out(Though Santa received some presents instead of giving out:) ). There is nothing wrong in it,I guess. Likewise there is nothing wrong in inviting Christians to Fast-A-Thon during Ramadan.
But what wonders me is when a Muslim says Merry Christmas to another Muslim as if they were celebrating the birthday of Jesus Christ.

No hard feelings,


p.s. Any snow out there for New Year? :P

[Lady_G]

..But what wonders me is when a Muslim says Merry Christmas to another Muslim as if they were celebrating the birthday of Jesus Christ..

nima qipti? buni nimasi yomon?

[HSBC]

Alouddin is right - you can't use such names as "Jesus" or "Muhammed" or "Karimov" in this forum.

:lol: Excellent Comparison!!! :lol: Naidi lishnee slovo??? ;)

[Akhee-Abdullah]

thanks for Information Abdullah, in Christmas day i didnt pray or sing a song like others, i just watch it. Coz for me this was intersting. Fist time i go there, in my heart i am Muslim (Alhamdulillah) But i think its not stop me to talk with people of different relegion. in Ramadan time, when we have Iftar, many time people of different faith participate. They were also like me, came to know what is Iftar and what is Ramadan. They listen Koran and eat Halal food, ask question about Islam. if i say "marry christmas" only due to respect to my friend ( he wish Happy Ramadan to me before) is it sin?

Brother Zamon,

Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah. Thanks for the reply and your concern over your religion. I think if you read the article attentively you will find the answer to your question insha'Allah.

[Martingale]

nima qipti? buni nimasi yomon?

Hmm...yomon deganim yuq.:D Faqat manga qiziqarlidedim.

Tasavvur qiling, bitta christianga siz: "Iyd Mubarak"yoki "Qurbon hayiting bilan" desez, u sizga qande qaraydi.:) :shock: busa kerak?:lol:

[HSBC]

Privet vsem,

Ochen poznavatel'niy thread, soglasen. Viju tut raznie mneniya. Nu v osnovnom, kak vsegda, kak i v shahmatah, belaya storona zashiaet svoi interesi, a chernaya svoi. Eto vpolne normalno, ibo ne bilo bi i spora bez etih dovodov.

Ne budu uslojnyat' svoi reply. Hochu podat' odnu ideyu na razmishlenie, naschet togo, mojet li "ne Hristianin" govorit' Merry Cristmas i pozdravlyat' Hristianinov. Ne mne ob etom sudit'. U menya nedostatochno religioznogo znaniya chtob davat' svoyo mnenie, kotoroe mojet bit' i nekorrektnim. No v to je vremya, nado priznat' chto Cristmas eto holy holiday for Cristians. K tomu je Islam podtverjdaet sushestvovanie "imeninika". Zdes' mi rassmatrivaem obyektivnuyu storonu "ne Hristianina".

Teper' porassujdaem ego subyektivnuyu storonu. Kak ya skazal vishe, Cristmas, eto samiy svyatoy prazdnik Hristianskoy religii. V Islame je samiy svyatoy prazdnik eto Mesyats Ramadan. Podumayte nemnojko, te lyudi kotorim vi skajite Merry Cristmas, skajut li oni (ili skazali oni hot' raz) vam "Heid Muborak"? Esli da, esli vi uvereni v etom, to dumayu ne budit ploho esli vi toje ego pozdravite. Hotya bi v znak vzaimnogo uvajeniya.

Vseh s Nastupayushim Novim Godom.

p.s. Da prostit menya Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, esli ya oshibsya v chemto.

[Lady_G]

Hmm...yomon deganim yuq.:D Faqat manga qiziqarlidedim.

Tasavvur qiling, bitta christianga siz: "Iyd Mubarak"yoki "Qurbon hayiting bilan" desez, u sizga qande qaraydi.:) :shock: busa kerak?:lol:

nea mani atrofimdagila uje o'rganib qoganla, Qurbon hayiting bn desam ulayam oh saniyam deb keturadila :P

[Sayyoh]

kerak?:lol:[/QUOTE]Tasavvur qiling, bitta christianga siz: "Iyd Mubarak"yoki "Qurbon hayiting bilan" desez, u sizga qande qaraydi. :shock: busa kerak? hmm... :shock: bo'lishi mumkin, lekin esingda bo'sa, Laziz, peygamberimiz [saw] barcha odamla muslim bo'b tug'iladi deganla. a? demak biz ulardeki muslimlikni "qitiqlab" qo'yyapmiz holos :D ya'ni, u savil sanam muslim, prosta atropindegila sani rasvo qigande, deganday bo'lamiz :D

p/s esli cho islaamni qabul qilmaguncha eid ul fitr va eid ul adha "uning" bo'lmaydi... ;) and die not except in the state of Islaam, esingdami jiyan?!:) :D

[Sayyoh]

kerak?:lol: hmm... :shock: bo'lishi mumkin, lekin esingda bo'sa, Laziz, peygamberimiz [saw] barcha odamla muslim bo'b tug'iladi deganla. a? demak biz ulardeki muslimlikni "qitiqlab" qo'yyapmiz holos :D ya'ni, u savil sanam muslim, prosta atropindegila sani rasvo qigande, deganday bo'lamiz :D

p/s esli cho islaamni qabul qilmaguncha eid ul fitr va eid ul adha "uning" bo'lmaydi... ;) and die not except in the state of Islaam, esingdami jiyan?!:)[/QUOTE]

[Nozima]

Assalomu alaykum qalbida iymon,hulqi islom,robbisi Rahmon,dasturi Qur`on sevgani Muhammad s.a.v, umidi jannat bulgan birodarlarim, opa singillarim .Bu gapim shunchakimas aksincha islomda bor gap .
Yangi_yil bu << Kufr >> bayramlardan biri hisoblanadi. Umuman musilmonlar o'z bayramlarida kufr ahlining bayramlariga hos narsalardan birontasini qilishlari mumkunmas . Shuning dek kufr ahlining bayramlari musilmonlar uchun odiy bayramdek o'tishi kerak . Bu gaplarga amal qilmagan insonlar Alloh nazdida aro ichish odam o'ldirish va zino qilishdan ko'ra qattirodir. Har bir musilmon va muslima ush bu hadisni yodda tutsin ..KIMKI BIROR BIR ,, QAVUMGA O'ZINI O'XSHATSA BAS U O'SHALARDANDIR!!!
Silaga Allohning Salomi Rohmati va barakatini tilab qolaman...

[R.Azimov]

Assalomu alaykum qalbida iymon,hulqi islom,robbisi Rahmon,dasturi Qur`on sevgani Muhammad s.a.v, umidi jannat bulgan birodarlarim, opa singillarim .Bu gapim shunchakimas aksincha islomda bor gap .
Yangi_yil bu << Kufr >> bayramlardan biri hisoblanadi. Umuman musilmonlar o'z bayramlarida kufr ahlining bayramlariga hos narsalardan birontasini qilishlari mumkunmas . Shuning dek kufr ahlining bayramlari musilmonlar uchun odiy bayramdek o'tishi kerak . Bu gaplarga amal qilmagan insonlar Alloh nazdida aro ichish odam o'ldirish va zino qilishdan ko'ra qattirodir. Har bir musilmon va muslima ush bu hadisni yodda tutsin ..KIMKI BIROR BIR ,, QAVUMGA O'ZINI O'XSHATSA BAS U O'SHALARDANDIR!!!
Silaga Allohning Salomi Rohmati va barakatini tilab qolaman...

Kufr bayram? :) Qiziq ibora bo'libdiku?

Shu yili nasib etsa 31 Dekabr kuni ertalabdan 1 yanvar kuni ertalabgacha uydan chiqmay qamalib o'tirsakmikin-a oilaviy bo'lib. :) :)

[Guardian]

Assalomu alaykum qalbida iymon,hulqi islom,robbisi Rahmon,dasturi Qur`on sevgani Muhammad s.a.v, umidi jannat bulgan birodarlarim, opa singillarim .Bu gapim shunchakimas aksincha islomda bor gap .
Yangi_yil bu << Kufr >> bayramlardan biri hisoblanadi. Umuman musilmonlar o'z bayramlarida kufr ahlining bayramlariga hos narsalardan birontasini qilishlari mumkunmas . Shuning dek kufr ahlining bayramlari musilmonlar uchun odiy bayramdek o'tishi kerak . Bu gaplarga amal qilmagan insonlar Alloh nazdida aro ichish odam o'ldirish va zino qilishdan ko'ra qattirodir.Assalomu Alaykum singlim, agar siz aytganchalik qilsak ... xo'sh mana endi menga aytib bering, men xorijda, judaham musulmonlar ozchilikni tashkil qiladigan shahrda. Agarda, o'zimni "kuffar"dan uzoq tutib yursam, umuman gapirmasam, yaxshi xulqim bilan dinimizni namoyish qila olmasam, ular nimalar deb o'ylashadi. Men ularga qo'shilishimdan maqsad, ularning Islom haqidagi fikrlarini yaxshi tomonga o'zgartirish, integraciyalanishga o'z xissamni qo'shishdan iborat. Agar hamma o'zini boshqa boshqa joyga olib qochsa aytishadida keyin bular yovvoyi ekan deb, shundan keyin Islom haqidagi yomon yomon qarashlari paydo bo'ladi.
..... KIMKI BIROR BIR ,, QAVUMGA O'ZINI O'XSHATSA BAS U O'SHALARDANDIR!!! ...

Siz chi, singlim, Britney Spears-ga o'xshamoqchimisiz? Demak siz Britney Spears ekansiz, afsus. :(

[Temur]

Beliver menimche senin bu hot durust emas sen ham yaxshi bilisan O.A. milletlernin % 80-90 muslumandir. Balkim Orslar musluman emas biraq o hazirnin meselesi emas. Iki insan seni kebi gapirir 1-Ateist 2-Provaketor
ya ateistsan veya hiristiyansan eger hiristiyansan hozir bu forumda provake qilisan.

[Han]

bu yerda ba'zi narsani yahshilab o'rin-o'rniga qo'yvolishimiz kerak.
bugun bizda Yangi yil deb qutlanadigan kun bilan hristianlarning diniy bayrami boshqa boshqa narsalar. bir qavmga o'xshagandan maqsad g'ayri dinlarga aralashmaslik, gaplashmaslik, birga ishlamaslik degani emas. hozir dunyoda hech bir musulmon yo'qki g'ayri din bilan uchrashmagan. bir qavmning diniy odat, ibodat va bayramlariga aralashmaslik kerak. bu degani uyga qamalish ham emas. faqat o'sha kunlarda g'ayri dinlarga hos odat va ibodatlardan uzoq turish kerak. Ya'ni kofirlarga ibodatda o'xshash katta kichikligiga qarab kufr yo gunoh bo'ladi. masalan yangi yil bilan tabriklagan kishiga rahmat deyishimiz imonimizni buzmaydi. chunki bu dunyoviy odat bo'lgan narsa. lekin s rojdestvom hristovo degan kimsaga muqobala qilishimiz noto'g'ri bo'ladi. dunyoviy tomonidan yangi yil eski yil nuqtai nazaridan birbirini tabriklab yotganlar ham bunga hristianlarning diniy a'qidalariga hos archa, santa klaus, tuhum va h/larni aralashtirmasliklari kerak.

[MUHLIS]

Yangi yil (bugungi odamlar tushunchasiga ko'ra) xech qanday diniy ma'noga ega emas, balki bir yildan ikkinch yilga o'tish bayramidir. Endi "chrismas"ga keladigan bo'lsak bu biz uchun bayram emas, rojdestvo xam. Biz shuncha yil ruslar bilan yashab kelyapmiz Yangi yilni birga nishonlaymiz (diniy xarakterga ega bo'lmagan bayram) ammo Rojdestvoni (ruslarning christmasi) ularga qo'shilib bayram qilgan yerimiz yo'qku shu vaqtgacha.
Ammo boshqa tarafdan Nozima xam to'g'ri aytyapti. Masalan yangi urf bo'lgan bayramlardan biri "valentine's day" unchalik xam bizning e'tiqodga mos kelmaydi.

[Sayyoh]

Sizchi, singlim, Britney Spearsga o'xshamoqchimisiz? Demak siz Britney Spears ekansiz, afsus. :( adashasan, Qo'riqchi, adashasan. Chunki o'sha hadisda Rosulullah [saw] etiqodiy masalalarda boshqa qavmga taqlid qilsa, degan ma'noda gap aytganla. ya'ni, agarda Nozima ashu Spirs hochni o'pib, yoki "Iso" [as] haykali oldida boshini quyi solgan holda tiz cho'kkan rasmini avatar qilganda, ha, bu yerda "singlim, taqlid qivossiz, o'shalardan bo'ppolasiz" deyishing mumkin bo'lar edi :)

men hech ham Nozimahon b.spirsni bashsharasini ishlatishini xohlamiman =) va bu gapla ila shunday qilaverishini olqishlashdan uzoman... shunchaki gapinga aniqliq kiritib qo'ydim holos ;)

:salam:

[Guardian]

adashasan, Qo'riqchi, adashasan. Chunki o'sha hadisda Rosulullah [saw] etiqodiy masalalarda boshqa qavmga taqlid qilsa, degan ma'noda gap aytganla. ya'ni, agarda Nozima ashu Spirs hochni o'pib, yoki "Iso" [as] haykali oldida boshini quyi solgan holda tiz cho'kkan rasmini avatar qilganda, ha, bu yerda "singlim, taqlid qivossiz, o'shalardan bo'ppolasiz" deyishing mumkin bo'lar ediwt*? kim qo'riqchi ekan?

shunchaki gapinga aniqliq kiritib qo'ydim

muharrirlik qilishga ishga olaymi? boshqa postlarimga ham aniqlik kiritib yurasan, pass/id ni berib qo'yay?
:salam:
wa 'alaykassalam!

[Guardian]

Sayyoh, as you go back to my reply to Nozima, you will probably comprehend, I didn't say anything contradicting hadith she said. Instead, I asked her to imply the rules on herself before talking. You didn't need to paraphrase the hadith, as I'm well-aware what the gist is, and, alhamdulillah I do my best to follow it always. But, when hypocrites come- out I enjoy arguing back.

Have a good day!

[Sayyoh]

hapa bo'ma, Guardian, hapa bo'ma. i just wanted to be helpful.

[Martingale]

kerak?:lol:hmm... :shock: bo'lishi mumkin, lekin esingda bo'sa, Laziz, peygamberimiz [saw] barcha odamla muslim bo'b tug'iladi deganla. a? demak biz ulardeki muslimlikni "qitiqlab" qo'yyapmiz holos :D ya'ni, u savil sanam muslim, prosta atropindegila sani rasvo qigande, deganday bo'lamiz :D

p/s esli cho islaamni qabul qilmaguncha eid ul fitr va eid ul adha "uning" bo'lmaydi... ;) and die not except in the state of Islaam, esingdami jiyan?!:) :D

Balkim Qur'onda shunaqa deyilgandir(yani hammani islom bulib tugilishi), lekin men hristianga uziz aytgandek Iyd mubarak yoki bir hristian boshqa hristianga shunaqa deganini eshitmaganman.

As for "jiyan"...ha, mayli bayram oldi kayfiyatizni buzmay quya qolay:)

[Sayyoh]

(sry about the jiyan part)

o'rto, to'g'ri, krestyanla bir-birlariga shunaqa deyishmas, lekin sen "Tasavvur qiling, bitta christianga siz: "Iyd Mubarak" yoki "Qurbon hayiting bilan" desez, u sizga qande qaraydi. busa kerak?" deding-ku... Shunga javoban yozdim yuqoridegi gaplani

nou hart piilinks ;)

happy upcoming eid ul adha! ana ob'masam! :D

[Sayyoh]

"Britney . S . kese hammasi dabdala bo'ldi . U pic/ yuqotib qo'ydim" whatever happens, happens for a good reason (c) ;)

[Shiloh]

Hi Believer, if you could please email me on prazdnik23@yahoo.com
I'll appreciate it, Shiloh

[Shogird]

Believer, thanks for your holiday greetings. Keep in touch, my email is shogirdman@yahoo.com

[Believer]

I am so very happy to see fellow believers in this forum. Thank you for your replies and private messages.
I see people were talking about Christmas and how they celebrate or don't celebrate Christmas. Certainly everyone is responsible for him/herself only and I hope negative and derogatory comments will not take place in this forum. After all God is going to judge each and every one of us according to what we have believed and done, not what others have believed or done to us, or what others have said about us. I encourage this forum members not to project their own ideas of sin onto others. I firmly believe that if we take care of our own business, share our opinions and beliefs in a respectful manner, and let God deal with other people, we can go a long way as far as a healthy discussion that enables people talk rather than fight. By talking the talk and walking the walk, we can show each other how serious we are about our beliefs, and earn the respect of others who may not believe in the same things as we do.
The rest of this message is probably best suited for reading by fellow Christians. I just came back from an International Christian conference where I had the privilege of worshipping God with fellow believers from all over the world. We worshipped corporately and then divided up into small groups to share, listen, encourage, and pray for each other for several days. It felt like a glimpse of heaven where people from every nations worship God at the foot of His throne. I was blessed and encouraged to see Christians from all over the world: Africa, Asia, including Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, European countires, Latin Americas, and North America. I was the only person from Uzbekistan and got to hang the flag of my country on the flag pole. It was a proud moment for me. One Turkmenian lady played a classical music piece on a piano and it captivated the people in gathering during a talent show we had. African people sang African folk songs worshipping God, Koreans put together a play and a skit, Philipina lady blessed us with her poetry. It's amazing to see how much we have to offer the world and bless God's people if we just do our part to do something good rather than sitting and gossiping about silly things that don't even matter in the eternal picture of life.
I will be replying to all of the private messages. Thank you so much for PMs. May God bless you all.
Believer

[Sayyoh]

I am muslim , Merry christmas to all the christians in our beloved country! you are pathetic... Allah swt has given everyone the right to choose. And if you are choosing to be pathetic, well, you have the right to exercise that very right... to be pathetic...

peace

[Shogird]

you are pathetic... Allah swt has given everyone the right to choose. And if you are choosing to be pathetic, well, you have the right to exercise that very right... to be pathetic...
peace
The word pathetic does not fit here. :D

[Pinkie]

you are pathetic... Allah swt has given everyone the right to choose. And if you are choosing to be pathetic, well, you have the right to exercise that very right... to be pathetic...

peace

Brother (or Sister) in Islam:
Please choose your words wisely. To understand what I mean, read Al Hujurot ayah 11.

(sorry for interrupting the Christmas thread)

[Sayyoh]

The word pathetic does not fit here. :D
(kimmiki bo'sengam) Shagirt, sendan men biron narsa so'radimmi? sharh qil, dedimmi?!?

[Sayyoh]

Brother (or Sister) in Islam:
Please choose your words wisely. To understand what I mean, read Al Hujurot ayah 11.

(sorry for interrupting the Christmas thread)
yahshi qiz, this was the best word choice that I think fits this [pathetic] fellow
what's ur problem... tehehehe ;)

[Zamon]

I am muslim , Merry christmas to all the christians in our beloved country!


are you sure that you muslim? what do you know about Islam? i am just curious.....

[Pinkie]

yahshi qiz, this was the best word choice that I think fits this [pathetic] fellow
what's ur problem... tehehehe ;)

¡No hay problema! I was making sure everyone is cool :) Just disregard my post:lol:

[Shiloh]

Thanks to all for opinions and congrats!

Believer, I'm happy for you, I wish I was there to hold my flag also ...
God bless all!
Shiloh
"Hamisha hursand bo'linglar" 1 Salonikaliklarga 5:16 ( 1 Thessalonians 5:16)
Smile Jesus loves you !

[infolife]

qo'shilaman gapizga.

I also noticed that muslims/us in this forum are extremely defensive and if a talk goes about christianity or any other religion we always end up offending someone.too much defensive....:?
Yes, we are muslims, yet it doesn't mean we should hate christians or whoever doesn't beleive in what we do.
Musulmon insonga boshqalarga(non muslimlarga) nisbatan nafrat tuyg'usini olib yurish yashimas. Har biri Allohni bandasi, Alloh ularni ham to'g'ri yo'lga boshlasin deb duo qilish kerak uni o'rniga:)

Last time i red Koran did not see anything like hate christians or other religions, Islam is about Love and understanding others , it is right for muslims to fight only in defend... It is not right to be offensive or hurt others in any way. Now you guys can figure out who is pathetic... My brothers I suggest you remember legacy of great muslims such as AlBUHORIY, NAQSHBANDIY... Read their hadis and I will pray for you guys so ALLAH will help you to get rid of all that hate in you...Inshaallah.

[smilinguzbekgal]

Bismillah..............Assalamu alaikum w rahmatullahi w barakatuh!
i hope you are all well and in the highest states of
iman, and i pray to Allah that you all are tasting the sweetness of
faith and that you will be rewarded with Paradise, in this life and
the next... in this life, with the gardens of the heart, and the
remembrance of Allah, and in the next life with the Gardens of
Eternity.....
May Allah bless all muslim sisters and brothers for being on the righteous path, and may Allah guide the ones who had gone astray ...
To be honest , it was not a good idea to make one forum for all religions as there will be always attacks and defences. And for me personally it was shocking and unpleasant to see uzbek christians, i really dont udnerstand it, however being uzbek doesnt mean being muslim as many ppl assume.
so, in my opinion, either we shd have only one forum for muslims( for what ppl may think i am inhumane) or we shd make separate rooms.Coz it really really really saddens me when my country fellow says " oh Jesus, the saviour?"""( pls, pardon me if i sound selfish, but muslim bros and sis' will get my point)
and also it is said when a muslim sees any slave trespassing Allah's boarders, he shd do something, if he cant do he shd speak out, or at least shd not favour and feel the displeasure...........
Anyways, the main purpose of writing this post was to wish all my dear bros and sisters A HAPPY EID UL ADHA, may Allah make us constant and steadfast in our prayings and make our iman stronger,as Nabiy SAW told that there will come times when enemies of islam pounce on muslims as starving wolves jump for a meat, so we shd be strong and keep our faith, it has become a heroic task!!! :)
Eid Mubarak !!!!!
peace :)

[Zamon]

Last time i red Koran did not see anything like hate christians or other religions, Islam is about Love and understanding others , it is right for muslims to fight only in defend... It is not right to be offensive or hurt others in any way. Now you guys can figure out who is pathetic... My brothers I suggest you remember legacy of great muslims such as AlBUHORIY, NAQSHBANDIY... Read their hadis and I will pray for you guys so ALLAH will help you to get rid of all that hate in you...Inshaallah.

what did you exactly read? could you share please? what do you know about Al-Buhoriy? what hadis? can you give exact phrases? something telling me that u simply bluffing, i am not perfect muslim and i am not trying to pretend to be one.

peace

[Zamon]

Bismillah..............Assalamu alaikum w rahmatullahi w barakatuh!
i hope you are all well and in the highest states of
iman, and i pray to Allah that you all are tasting the sweetness of
faith and that you will be rewarded with Paradise, in this life and
the next... in this life, with the gardens of the heart, and the
remembrance of Allah, and in the next life with the Gardens of
Eternity.....
May Allah bless all muslim sisters and brothers for being on the righteous path, and may Allah guide the ones who had gone astray ...
To be honest , it was not a good idea to make one forum for all religions as there will be always attacks and defences. And for me personally it was shocking and unpleasant to see uzbek christians, i really dont udnerstand it, however being uzbek doesnt mean being muslim as many ppl assume.
so, in my opinion, either we shd have only one forum for muslims( for what ppl may think i am inhumane) or we shd make separate rooms.Coz it really really really saddens me when my country fellow says " oh Jesus, the saviour?"""( pls, pardon me if i sound selfish, but muslim bros and sis' will get my point)
and also it is said when a muslim sees any slave trespassing Allah's boarders, he shd do something, if he cant do he shd speak out, or at least shd not favour and feel the displeasure...........
Anyways, the main purpose of writing this post was to wish all my dear bros and sisters A HAPPY EID UL ADHA, may Allah make us constant and steadfast in our prayings and make our iman stronger,as Nabiy SAW told that there will come times when enemies of islam pounce on muslims as starving wolves jump for a meat, so we shd be strong and keep our faith, it has become a heroic task!!! :)
Eid Mubarak !!!!!
peace :)


absolutly right! long time ago i wrote that there must be two topics, one ONLY ABOUT ISLAM and second about rest of the relegions like Christians, Buddists, etc etc.

[Royal]

Plastinka sinmasdan oldin almashtirgan maqul...

[Pinkie]

Bismillah..............Assalamu alaikum w rahmatullahi w barakatuh!
i hope you are all well and in the highest states of
iman, and i pray to Allah that you all are tasting the sweetness of
faith and that you will be rewarded with Paradise, in this life and
the next... in this life, with the gardens of the heart, and the
remembrance of Allah, and in the next life with the Gardens of
Eternity.....
May Allah bless all muslim sisters and brothers for being on the righteous path, and may Allah guide the ones who had gone astray ...
To be honest , it was not a good idea to make one forum for all religions as there will be always attacks and defences. And for me personally it was shocking and unpleasant to see uzbek christians, i really dont udnerstand it, however being uzbek doesnt mean being muslim as many ppl assume.
so, in my opinion, either we shd have only one forum for muslims( for what ppl may think i am inhumane) or we shd make separate rooms.Coz it really really really saddens me when my country fellow says " oh Jesus, the saviour?"""( pls, pardon me if i sound selfish, but muslim bros and sis' will get my point)
and also it is said when a muslim sees any slave trespassing Allah's boarders, he shd do something, if he cant do he shd speak out, or at least shd not favour and feel the displeasure...........
Anyways, the main purpose of writing this post was to wish all my dear bros and sisters A HAPPY EID UL ADHA, may Allah make us constant and steadfast in our prayings and make our iman stronger,as Nabiy SAW told that there will come times when enemies of islam pounce on muslims as starving wolves jump for a meat, so we shd be strong and keep our faith, it has become a heroic task!!! :)
Eid Mubarak !!!!!
peace :)

Wa'alaikumus salaam Wa'Rahmatuhllahi Wa'Barakatuh!

You made an excellent point about the religion forum. Inshallah, hopefully they will split it into seperate sections BUT I think we should not forget that dialogue between Islam and other faiths is very important (so no one will complain "They didn't make the effort to learn about us" blah blah blah).

I also get sad when I learn that an Uzbek converting to Christianity. I am not Uzbek but I know how you feel especially after I learn these people who leave Islam actually come from good families. My advice to you is do not shy away from Uzbek Christians. They do not have the same feelings towards Islam as we do (Allah<swt>only knows what they read about Islam). At least we can try to set a good example of Muslims who fear Hell Fire and submit ourselves to Allah <swt>. And Inshallah we can to give dawah to them if they are willing to listen. If not, then it's ok. There is no compulsion in religion because truth stands out from error.

And Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[infolife]

Wa alaykum assalam waRahmatullahu waBaraktuhu,

I'd like to add (as one of those who never knew to celebrate new Year was haram untill few months back, and who never knew what Chtismas was either), it indeed is sad to see muslims celebrating Xmas/New Year unless they might not have heard it is haram. Honestly, I never knew new Year was haram for muslims to celebrate and still can't see anything wrong in it, as we-with my family sit and have food and remember what we've done in the previous. That's it really, my family doesn't go out or drink or hang around out in the streets either.

It's one of the things that's been developed in uzb over years after Russian invasion, and uzbeks see nothing religious with new year. My nice who goes to kindergarden, a nephew who goes to school, they always look forward to New Year, sad:? As a 3 or 5 year old they dunno a thing about religion, sad again.:? But they wait every New Year, cos they have school parties, or just cos it's exciting! It has been the same for us, we were always excited about New Year, cos we would get presents. None ever said it was HARAM.

Muslim brothers/sisters, never be harsh with those who are just learning Islam or with Christians or nonmuslims pls. Muhammad saw was never harsh with Jewsih although they hated him and upsetted him many times. This is the characteristic of muslims, show kindness and generosity(sorry, if it sounds like in 'great ideology' books)

Muhammad Ali Al-Hashimi:

There are men whom one sees praying pefectly, but in many instanses they follow their own desires and deviate from the right path. In social gatherings, they involve themselves in gossp(especially uzbeks, sadly but true), backbiting, critisicing people, plotting against anybody they dislike and putting words in their mouth to discredit them. These people are suffering from weakness of faith and failure to understand the true reality of this holistic religion which Allah swta revealed to guide mankind in all aspects of life, both public and private, so that people might seek the pleasure of Allah by obeying His commands and emulating the behaviour of the Prophet!!!



There are men who obey Allah in some matters and disobey HIm in others, acting according to their own whims and desires. Such ppl are as it were half-Muslims, and split personality of those who have deviated from the guidance of Islam is one of the most dangerous psychological and spiritual disorders facing modern man.

Eid mubarak and May Allah swta guide us all and teach us what is useful to US.

[Nicole]

Hmm...yomon deganim yuq.:D Faqat manga qiziqarlidedim.

Tasavvur qiling, bitta christianga siz: "Iyd Mubarak"yoki "Qurbon hayiting bilan" desez, u sizga qande qaraydi.:) :shock: busa kerak?:lol:

Gap kungil uchun aytilgan gapladamas, gap odamgarchilida va siz uchun qaysidir bayram aziz ekanki uni dustlarizni taklif qilib ular bilan nishonlashni xohlabsiz va ular sizni hursand qilish uchun bayramingiz bilan tabriklaydi va siz ham ular bilan birga ekansiz ularni ham bayramlari bilan qutlang. Mani dustlarim hamisha Hayit bilan tabriklashadi :)

Keyin aytganchali, din emas Hudo ga kungil bermoklik va Unga imon keltirmoklik, har bir narsa Uning xohishi bilan amalga osharkan Unga har bir narsa uchun ibodat kilmoklik (uz tilingizda, zero, chin yurakdan faqat uz ona tilingizda gaplasha olasiz), kerak

[Nicole]

Merry Christmas everyone! I'd love to hear from other Christian brothers and sisters in this forum and to find out about their journeys with our Lord God Jesus Christ. With much love. Let us sing in this joyous symbolic day of the birth of the Saviour of this world.

Hark the herald angels sing

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the newborn King
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled
Joyful, all ye nations, rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With the angelic host proclaim
Christ is born in Bethlehem
Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the newborn King

Christ, by highest heaven adored
Christ, the everlasting Lord
Late in time behold him come
Offspring of the Virgin's womb
Veiled in flesh the God head see
Hail the incarnate Deity
Pleased as man with man to dwell
Jesus, our Emmanuel

Mild he lays his glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Risen with healing in his wings
Light and life to all he brings
Hail, the Sun of Righteousness
Hail, the Heaven born Prince of Peace
Hail the Heaven born Prince of Peace
Hail the Son of Righteousness
Light and life to all He brings
Risen with healing in His wings
Mild He lay His glory by
Born that man no more may die

Come Desire of nations come
Fix in us thy humble home
Rise, the woman's conquering seed
Bruise in us the serpent's head
Adam's likeness now efface
Stamp thine image in its place


Joy to the world

Joy to the world, the Lord is come
Let earth receive her King
Let every heart prepare Him room
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven, and nature sing

Joy to the earth, the Savior reigns
Let men their songs employ
While fields and floods
Rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat, repeat the sounding joy

No more let sins and sorrows grow
Nor thorns infest the ground
He comes to make His blessing flow
Far as the curse is found
Far as the curse is found
Far as, far as the curse is found

He rules the world with truth and grace
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness
And wonders of His love
And wonders of His love
And wonders, of His love



Mary, did you know

Mary, did you know
That your baby boy will one day walk on water?
Did you know
That your baby boy will save our sons and daughters?
Did you know
That your baby boy has come to make you new?
This child that you've delivered
Will soon deliver you

Mary, did you know
That your baby boy will give sight to a blind man?
Did you know
That your baby boy will calm a storm with His hand?
Did you know
That your baby boy has walked where angels trod?
And when you kiss your little boy
You've kissed the face of God

Mary, did you know?
The blind will see
The deaf will hear
And the dead will live again
The lame will leap
The dumb will speak
The praises of the Lamb

Mary, did you know
That your baby boy is Lord of all creation?
Did you know
That your baby boy will one day rules the nations?
Did you know
That your baby boy is heaven's perfect Lamb?
This sleeping child you're holding
Is the Great I Am


To introduce myself, I'm originally from Toshkent, now living in the US, became a Christian 3 years ago, much to the dismay of my family. I love Jesus very much and learning how to live a life worthy of his name. Blessings to you.

I'm originally from Tashkent too, now living in Tashkent still. Became a Christian (thanks to God) 2 years ago... I love JC very much too and trying to be an example, salt and light of the earth. Zero, aytilgan, taqillating albatta ochiladi, izlang albatta toparsiz... MEN haqiqat, hayot va yulman...
So, brother, I;m happy for u that angels sing songs in heavens for u! :)
Hudo sizni marhamatlasin!

[Sayyoh]

Became a Christian (thanks to God) 2 years ago... which "god"? The one that has a son and needs a spirit?..
I love JC very much too and trying to be an example, salt and light of the earth. even if Isa a.s. himself talked about the next and final prophet Ahmad (i.e. Muhammad saw)? :cry: :cry:

So, brother, I;m happy for u that angels sing songs in heavens for u! :) I wonder what kind of songs? sortta "awla laka fa awla"??? (surah al qiyamah) :cry: :cry:

And I hope that the angels you are referring to are not the ones touched upon the sura Muddaththir - the 19 angels over the Fire... :cry: :cry:

Hudo sizni marhamatlasin!:( :( :( aha marhamatlasin, esizzi yig'ib sekin Islomga qaytib oling!

[Shogird]

which "god"? The one that has a son and needs a spirit?..
even if Isa a.s. himself talked about the next and final prophet Ahmad (i.e. Muhammad saw)? :cry: :cry: Sayyoh, you can believe whatever you want. You may believe that there is prophecy about the prophet coming after Jesus but Bible does not confirm that. Jesus foretold the coming of the Holy Spirit not the prophet. He calls the Holy Spirit as the Comforter. How can can you be my comforter if you fight and insult the followers of Jesus. After His ressurection and asscension to Heaven, Holy Spirit came to His disciples. That is why we celebrate Pentecost, the day when Holy Spirit came to us. Holy Spirit is our Heavenly Father's gift to His children through Jesus Christ.
If you want to know how it happened read it here: in English, (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%202;&version=49;) in Russian, (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%202;&version=13;) in Arabic (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%202;&version=28;)

[Nicole]

which "god"? The one that has a son and needs a spirit?..
even if Isa a.s. himself talked about the next and final prophet Ahmad (i.e. Muhammad saw)? :cry: :cry:!

u've to go to links that Shogird left for u..


I wonder what kind of songs? sortta "awla laka fa awla"??? (surah al qiyamah) :cry: :cry:

i know it's hard to understand for u.. cos in order to get it u've to read Bible.

And I hope that the angels you are referring to are not the ones touched upon the sura Muddaththir - the 19 angels over the Fire... :cry: :cry:


:( :( :( aha marhamatlasin, esizzi yig'ib sekin Islomga qaytib oling!

Islom uzi nima ekanligi va unda yurib sen uzing nimaga erishayotganliging haqida bir uylaganmisan? Agar Qur'onni ruhiy kuzlaringiz bilan ukiganingizda edi hozir man nimaga e'toqod qilsam siz ham shunga e'toqot qilgan, hammasi bitta narsa ekanligini bilgan bulardingiz. Nazarda tutganim, yuragingda haqiqiy tinchlik, haqiqiy shodlik, hotirjamlik, sevgi bormi? Yo'q...yo'q manga qarshi chiqish, bahsda yutib chiqishga harakat qilma.. shunchaki uyla uzing haqingda... yuragingning tub-tubiga nazar sol... Uni anglash, his qilish unchalik qiyin emas... faqat shoshma... qayerdadir eshik taqillayotganini, kimdir seni kutayotganini his qilasan, U senga haqiqatni ochadi, yuragingda his qilmaganlaringni beradi... uzgani uzingdek sevishni urgatadi,bular oddiy Haqiqatlar,.... uzgani emas uz-uzingni aldab yurganligingni, hamma tashvishlaringni, gam-anduhlaringni uzingda saqlab uz-uzingga azob berib yurganligingni anglaysan..
U senga gapiryapti bugun, U seni sevadi birodar!

[lost]

Islom uzi nima ekanligi va unda yurib sen uzing nimaga erishayotganliging haqida bir uylaganmisan? Agar Qur'onni ruhiy kuzlaringiz bilan ukiganingizda edi hozir man nimaga e'toqod qilsam siz ham shunga e'toqot qilgan, hammasi bitta narsa ekanligini bilgan bulardingiz. Nazarda tutganim, yuragingda haqiqiy tinchlik, haqiqiy shodlik, hotirjamlik, sevgi bormi? Yo'q...yo'q manga qarshi chiqish, bahsda yutib chiqishga harakat qilma.. shunchaki uyla uzing haqingda... yuragingning tub-tubiga nazar sol... Uni anglash, his qilish unchalik qiyin emas... faqat shoshma... qayerdadir eshik taqillayotganini, kimdir seni kutayotganini his qilasan, U senga haqiqatni ochadi, yuragingda his qilmaganlaringni beradi... uzgani uzingdek sevishni urgatadi,bular oddiy Haqiqatlar,.... uzgani emas uz-uzingni aldab yurganligingni, hamma tashvishlaringni, gam-anduhlaringni uzingda saqlab uz-uzingga azob berib yurganligingni anglaysan..
U senga gapiryapti bugun, U seni sevadi birodar!

O'ziz aytganlarizzi qilib ko'rganmisiz ?
Azgina shubham bor ...

[Nicole]

O'ziz aytganlarizzi qilib ko'rganmisiz ?
Azgina shubham bor ...

U mening hayotimga kirib kelganligi, menga najot berganligi, hayotimni, meni butunlay uzgartirganligi, yangilaganligi uchun Undan minnatdorman. Va bilamnki, bunday ishlarni men uchun hech kim hech qachon qilmagan va qilmaydi ham faqat U!

[Alouddin]

How can can you be my comforter if you fight and insult the followers of Jesus. Shogird, how can you claim that you are a follower of Iysa a.s. if he was "sent to the lost sheep of israel"?.. Are you a Jew?

[lost]

U mening hayotimga kirib kelganligi, menga najot berganligi, hayotimni, meni butunlay uzgartirganligi, yangilaganligi uchun Undan minnatdorman. Va bilamnki, bunday ishlarni men uchun hech kim hech qachon qilmagan va qilmaydi ham faqat U!

tushunarli...

[Shogird]

Shogird, how can you claim that you are a follower of Iysa a.s. if he was "sent to the lost sheep of israel"?.. Are you a Jew?

He came to His people but they rejected Him. Their apostacy will continue for a time. Jesus is not only for Jew eventhough He was born to Jewish nation and His ancestors include great patriarchs such as Abraham, MOses, David. God had a purpose in extablishing Jewish nation not because they are better than others but it was God's purpose to redeem the humanity back to HIm and destroy the works of the Devil who rules over people through their rebelleiousness and sin.

[Administrator]

haaaaa "hurmatli" missoynerlani nocolega ohshagan ozbeklarni zombi qilib qoyish mahoratlariga qoyil qoldim lekin...

[Administrator]

nima bolganda ham Iso alayhissalom ozlari ham musulmon bolganlar va muhammadning diniga sigining dep ketganlar ..

[Administrator]

Islom uzi nima ekanligi va unda yurib sen uzing nimaga erishayotganliging haqida bir uylaganmisan? Agar Qur'onni ruhiy kuzlaringiz bilan ukiganingizda edi hozir man nimaga e'toqod qilsam siz ham shunga e'toqot qilgan, hammasi bitta narsa ekanligini bilgan bulardingiz. Nazarda tutganim, yuragingda haqiqiy tinchlik, haqiqiy shodlik, hotirjamlik, sevgi bormi? Yo'q...yo'q manga qarshi chiqish, bahsda yutib chiqishga harakat qilma..

bilasimi Nocole istanbulda bir hrityanlikdan chiqn keyin islomni qabul qilgan amerikalik ayol menga huddi shuni teskarisi aytdi .quroni lik qoiganda hayron va musulmon boligandan keyin dilda hahiy huzurga kirganin aytdi "koshkiydi bolaliktan berri musulmon bolsam edi" degandi menga..benday garbliklr hozir juda ham kopdir,...3 yil oldin tosda bir nemisni korgandim oldin jadha dindor hrisyan bolgan amma u din unga ruhiy huzur bermagach islomni qabul qilgan..

[Administrator]

hamamga:
"Why Do Priests & Preachers Enter ISLAM?"
Many people ask me how a preacher or priest in Christianity can ever go to Islam, especially considering all the negative things that we hear about Islam and Muslims everyday...........

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf/priests_n_preachers.htm#story
linkin iltimos oqingla men yusuf estes(islomni qabul qilgandan keyin shu niomi oldi) bilan shasan kop martta emalilashganman,,u inson avval juda ham dindor(hristyan) white american bolip keyin islomni qabul qilgan(oilaviy qabul qilsihgan) ..2 yil oldin u asosan islomni qabul qilmoqchi bolgan aerikalik hrisyanlarga yordam beradi .uning harakatlari tufayli ohirgu yillarda juda ham kop amerikalik nasroniylar islomni qabul qilishda men ulardan bir qanchasini bilaman ,,istanbulda ham ularning bazilari bilan uchrashdim lekin sond bir yarim yildan beri undan habarim yoq ish kopligidan inetga kop kirmayman va u yerlardga online ziyorat ham qilib kormadim..

[Administrator]

yana bitta link:
www.islamfortoday.com
http://www.islamfortoday.com/converts.htm
This site was founded by a Western former Christian who converted to Islam. It began life under the name Understanding Islam (tripod) as a small collection of practical and theological information about Islam compiled principally for the benefit of other new Muslims. It has since expanded greatly and now comprises a considerable body of knowledge - features and links about Muslim history and civilization, Islam in the West today, the rights of women in Islam plus Muslim schools and family life. While a much wider audience will now also find many of the articles of interest, the primary purpose of this site is to be a resource for Western converts to Islam andthose considering becoming Muslim....

[Administrator]

yan bitta qiziqarli link:
http://www.jews-for-allah.org/

[Shogird]

nima bolganda ham Iso alayhissalom ozlari ham musulmon bolganlar va muhammadning diniga sigining dep ketganlar ..

Linklar uchun tashakkur Adminastrator. Tepadagi Isoning aytgan so'zlarini menga qaerdaligini aniq ko'rsatib bervorasizmi? Muqaddas kitoblarni anchadan beri talqin qilaman lekin hali Iso alayhissalom ozlari ham musulmon bolganlar va muhammadning diniga sigining dep ketganlar degan joyni uchratganim yo'q.

Omon bo'ling

[Alouddin]

haaaaa "hurmatli" missoynerlani nocolega ohshagan ozbeklarni zombi qilib qoyish mahoratlariga qoyil qoldim lekin... shu paytni o'zida islomiy dawah kuchsizligini tan olishga majburmiz :cry: buni ustiga birovga "namoz o'qigin" desang darrov ***-iylikda ayblashadi... din siyosatga, siyot dinga aralashmaydi deb baqirib yotishadiyu, amalda bo'lsa...

[Alouddin]

He came to His people but they rejected Him. Their apostacy will continue for a time. Jesus is not only for Jew eventhough He was born to Jewish nation and His ancestors include great patriarchs such as Abraham, MOses, David. God had a purpose in extablishing Jewish nation not because they are better than others but it was God's purpose to redeem the humanity back to HIm and destroy the works of the Devil who rules over people through their rebelleiousness and sin. Shogird, an absolutely random search result (http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/HeShallSaveHisPeople/lostsheep.html)for you

May Allah swt guide you back to his ultimately true religion

[Pinkie]

Shogird, an absolutely random search result (http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/HeShallSaveHisPeople/lostsheep.html)for you

May Allah swt guide you back to his ultimately true religion

I'm reading from the same site. How did that happen? Teeheehee
Ok, I'm sorry to interrupt:P

[infolife]

Islom o'zi nima ekanligini bilganizda siz 2 jahonda bu gaplarni yozmagan bolardiz. Agar Quronni ruhiy ko'zlariz bilan oqiganizda edi:(

Hozir Toshkentda missionerlar qanday ishlayatganini bilish qiyinmas. Ularda yoshlar hayotida paydo bolib qolgan boshliqdan foydalanishyapti. Insonga ruhiy madad kerak, balkim Islom targ'ibotchilari, dinimizni urgatuvchilari yuqligi sababidan siz ham xristian missionerlari qo'liga tushib qolgansiz.
Iltimos menga aytib bering qandey xristian boganizi. Men juda kup hikoyalar eshitganman nima uchun xristianlar Islomni qabul qilgani haqida, juda kuplari bilan gaplashganman, Alhamdulillah ingliz American musulmon urtoqlarim bor. Lekin Islomdan chiqib xristianlikka otgan odam b/n gaplashmadim hali. Qiziq Islomni haqiqiy practise qilgan odam qandey qilib Allohning songgi va tog'ri dinini rad etishi mumkin?:rolleyes:

Nicole, honeslty, hech qandey husumatim yuq, faqat share yr personal experience of becoming Christian,plz:)

ps: O'sha yuragim tubida menga gapirayotgan va meni sevuvchi Zot bu Alloh swta. Alloh zuygan bandalari qatorida musulmonlardan birib qilibdi hayotda bundan boshqa yahshiroq mukofot yuq men uchun!!!

u've to go to links that Shogird left for u..





Islom uzi nima ekanligi va unda yurib sen uzing nimaga erishayotganliging haqida bir uylaganmisan? Agar Qur'onni ruhiy kuzlaringiz bilan ukiganingizda edi hozir man nimaga e'toqod qilsam siz ham shunga e'toqot qilgan, hammasi bitta narsa ekanligini bilgan bulardingiz. Nazarda tutganim, yuragingda haqiqiy tinchlik, haqiqiy shodlik, hotirjamlik, sevgi bormi? Yo'q...yo'q manga qarshi chiqish, bahsda yutib chiqishga harakat qilma.. shunchaki uyla uzing haqingda... yuragingning tub-tubiga nazar sol... Uni anglash, his qilish unchalik qiyin emas... faqat shoshma... qayerdadir eshik taqillayotganini, kimdir seni kutayotganini his qilasan, U senga haqiqatni ochadi, yuragingda his qilmaganlaringni beradi... uzgani uzingdek sevishni urgatadi,bular oddiy Haqiqatlar,.... uzgani emas uz-uzingni aldab yurganligingni, hamma tashvishlaringni, gam-anduhlaringni uzingda saqlab uz-uzingga azob berib yurganligingni anglaysan..
U senga gapiryapti bugun, U seni sevadi birodar!

[Shogird]

Islom o'zi nima ekanligini bilganizda siz 2 jahonda bu gaplarni yozmagan bolardiz. Agar Quronni ruhiy ko'zlariz bilan oqiganizda edi:(

Hozir Toshkentda missionerlar qanday ishlayatganini bilish qiyinmas. Ularda yoshlar hayotida paydo bolib qolgan boshliqdan foydalanishyapti. Insonga ruhiy madad kerak, balkim Islom targ'ibotchilari, dinimizni urgatuvchilari yuqligi sababidan siz ham xristian missionerlari qo'liga tushib qolgansiz.
Iltimos menga aytib bering qandey xristian boganizi. Men juda kup hikoyalar eshitganman nima uchun xristianlar Islomni qabul qilgani haqida, juda kuplari bilan gaplashganman, Alhamdulillah ingliz American musulmon urtoqlarim bor. Lekin Islomdan chiqib xristianlikka otgan odam b/n gaplashmadim hali. Qiziq Islomni haqiqiy practise qilgan odam qandey qilib Allohning songgi va tog'ri dinini rad etishi mumkin?:rolleyes:

Nicole, honeslty, hech qandey husumatim yuq, faqat share yr personal experience of becoming Christian,plz:)

ps: O'sha yuragim tubida menga gapirayotgan va meni sevuvchi Zot bu Alloh swta. Alloh zuygan bandalari qatorida musulmonlardan birib qilibdi hayotda bundan boshqa yahshiroq mukofot yuq men uchun!!! Infolife, o'zingizdan eshitsak bo'lardi. Qanday qilib siz o'zingiz bu "Haq" yo'lni tanladingiz. Sizdan birinchi eshitaylik. Ota-onangiz va ko'pchilik Musulmon madaniyati da bo'lganligi uchun bu dinda yuribsizmi? Inofolife, men sizga qarshiligim yo'ghu, lekin odamlarga uyingizdagi qo'ylarga qaraganday qaramang. Biz hali Islom halifatligida yashaganimiz yo'q. Har bir inson izlanish va tanlash huquqiga egadir. Men Islomdan chiqib Masihiylikka o'tganlarning anchasini taniyman.

[infolife]

I've told before that I've not practised Islam(although I've always been muslim) till recently!
Ota-onam va ko'pchilik musulmon madaniyati-agar o'sha madaniyat bo'lganida edi uzbekistonda sizga uhshagan xristianlar chiqmasidi uzbeklardan. Ota-onam ham non-practising muslims:(
Men bu haq yo'lni qanday tanladim, shubhasiz Mehribon Allah taoloning uzi meni Hidoyatiga boshladi!:) Hech ham sizga quyga qaraganday qaramayman, Alloh yaratgan insonlarga qanday quyga qaragandey qarash mumkin. Siz Alloh tomonidan yaratilganiz uchun ham sizga hurmatim bor, chunki Allohni qulisiz!

Islom bizga 7-8 asrda kirib kelgan va Uzb Chingizhon O'rta Osiyoni bosib olgandan keyin ham Islom halifaligi ostida bo'lgan. Tarihni o'qing yahshiroq, bizdan Marg'iloniy, Buhoriy, Termiziydek islom olimlari chiqqan. Hammasi Ruslar O'rta Osiyoni bosib olgandan keyin yillar davomida ozgara boshladi. Quronni yoqib, qori-imomlarni o'ldirgan, diniy ulamolarni surgun qilgan, shu tariqa sekin asta Islomda uzoqlashib ketganmiz UZbda:(

Anyway, I keep praying for you! You were born as muslim and InshaAllah will die as muslim.
What does Christianity mean? You take the name of Jesus Christ?:rolleyes: But how come you don't see that Jesus alayhissalam mission was the very same as Muhammad SAW.Because Islam means "complete submission" submitting to the orders of GOD and acting in accordance with His commands.KNowing that Jesus was sent by GOD and tried to build GOD's commands on earth, you can't argue that His missionary was not Islam.

Infolife, o'zingizdan eshitsak bo'lardi. Qanday qilib siz o'zingiz bu "Haq" yo'lni tanladingiz. Sizdan birinchi eshitaylik. Ota-onangiz va ko'pchilik Musulmon madaniyati da bo'lganligi uchun bu dinda yuribsizmi? Inofolife, men sizga qarshiligim yo'ghu, lekin odamlarga uyingizdagi qo'ylarga qaraganday qaramang. Biz hali Islom halifatligida yashaganimiz yo'q. Har bir inson izlanish va tanlash huquqiga egadir. Men Islomdan chiqib Masihiylikka o'tganlarning anchasini taniyman.

[infolife]

I've told before that I've not practised Islam(although I've always been muslim) till recently!
Ota-onam va ko'pchilik musulmon madaniyati-agar o'sha madaniyat bo'lganida edi uzbekistonda sizga uhshagan xristianlar chiqmasidi uzbeklardan. Ota-onam ham non-practising muslims:(
Men bu haq yo'lni qanday tanladim, shubhasiz Mehribon Allah taoloning uzi meni Hidoyatiga boshladi!:) Hech ham sizga quyga qaraganday qaramayman, Alloh yaratgan insonlarga qanday quyga qaragandey qarash mumkin. Siz Alloh tomonidan yaratilganiz uchun ham sizga hurmatim bor, chunki Allohni qulisiz!

Anyway, I keep praying for you! You were born as muslim and InshaAllah will die as muslim.
What does Christianity mean? You take the name of Jesus Christ?:rolleyes: But how come you don't see that Jesus alayhissalam mission was the very same as Muhammad SAW.Because Islam means "complete submission" submitting to the orders of GOD and acting in accordance with His commands.KNowing that Jesus was sent by GOD and tried to build GOD's commands on earth, you can't argue that His missionary was not Islam.

Infolife, o'zingizdan eshitsak bo'lardi. Qanday qilib siz o'zingiz bu "Haq" yo'lni tanladingiz. Sizdan birinchi eshitaylik. Ota-onangiz va ko'pchilik Musulmon madaniyati da bo'lganligi uchun bu dinda yuribsizmi? Inofolife, men sizga qarshiligim yo'ghu, lekin odamlarga uyingizdagi qo'ylarga qaraganday qaramang. Biz hali Islom halifatligida yashaganimiz yo'q. Har bir inson izlanish va tanlash huquqiga egadir. Men Islomdan chiqib Masihiylikka o'tganlarning anchasini taniyman.

[melo]

I don't understand why everyone gets so angry if uzbeks are not mulsim. Islam was brought to central asia like every other religion. Why is it assumed all uzbeks must be muslim? I personally don't like the idea of missionaries, but it is no different than how islam spread to central asia.

[lost]

I am not going to answer to your question, as i think that it will not change anything in you.
I personally don't like the idea of missionaries...
Then act as you think is true, tell your colegues and stop YOUR mission.
I understand there are lots of people who does not like their job, but they have to do itheir obligation because they are paid.

So long.;)

[bacha]

Islom uzi nima ekanligi va unda yurib sen uzing nimaga erishayotganliging haqida bir uylaganmisan? Agar Qur'onni ruhiy kuzlaringiz bilan ukiganingizda edi hozir man nimaga e'toqod qilsam siz ham shunga e'toqot qilgan, hammasi bitta narsa ekanligini bilgan bulardingiz. Nazarda tutganim, yuragingda haqiqiy tinchlik, haqiqiy shodlik, hotirjamlik, sevgi bormi? Yo'q...yo'q manga qarshi chiqish, bahsda yutib chiqishga harakat qilma.. shunchaki uyla uzing haqingda... yuragingning tub-tubiga nazar sol... Uni anglash, his qilish unchalik qiyin emas... faqat shoshma... qayerdadir eshik taqillayotganini, kimdir seni kutayotganini his qilasan, U senga haqiqatni ochadi, yuragingda his qilmaganlaringni beradi... uzgani uzingdek sevishni urgatadi,bular oddiy Haqiqatlar,.... uzgani emas uz-uzingni aldab yurganligingni, hamma tashvishlaringni, gam-anduhlaringni uzingda saqlab uz-uzingga azob berib yurganligingni anglaysan..
U senga gapiryapti bugun, U seni sevadi birodar!
Assalomu aleykum
Juda guzal gaplarni yozdingiz. Uzbekistonda ham, chet elda ham uchratgan missionerlar huddi shunga uhshash gaplarni aytgan. Keling shu gaplarni analiz qilamiz?
Birinchi jumlangizda "Islom senga nima berganini anliysanmi?" deysiz. Bu gapda hich hafa qiladigan joi yuq, ammo agar bu gapni keyingi gaplaringiz bilan birga uqisak bu hristian missionerlarining Islomga haqoratidir.

Ikkinchi qiziqarli joi, missionerlar juda aqlli va ruhiy rivojlangan usullar bilan qullanadilar. Sizning birinchi Islom dini haqida uylash, keyin odam shodlikni topdimi, yo yuqmi deb uylashi kerak. Bu dunyo shodlik uchun yaratilgan emas, bu bir imtihondir.

Sizning mantiqingizni davom etsak, Islom dini haqida uyladik, shodlik yuqligini ham uylab topdik. Endi siz bizga "najot" yulini kursatmoqdasiz. Iso payg'ambarni, sizlar uchun Hudo/hudo ug'li eshiklarga taqib yurgani, va bizlarning ham oldimizga kelaotganini aytasiz.

Qisqacha qilib missioner strategiyasi:
Islom nima berdi uyla?
Shodlik, hursandlikni topdingmi?
Isoh, hudo ug'li/hudo sanga najot beradi! :)

Sodda odamlar, narsalarni faqat oq-qora rangda kuraditan odamlarga bu strategiya ishliydi. Dunyoni kengroq kuradigan, dinni chuqurroq tushunadigan, va bu dunyo bir imtihon bulganini bilgan odamlar bu gaplarga faqat kulishi mumkun.
Ruhiy izlanishlaringizda omadlar va qilgan ishlaringizdan hich afsuslamang.

[Pinkie]

I don't understand why everyone gets so angry if uzbeks are not mulsim. Islam was brought to central asia like every other religion. Why is it assumed all uzbeks must be muslim? I personally don't like the idea of missionaries, but it is no different than how islam spread to central asia.

So why do some of "my people" get angry because I am Italian/Puerto Rican and a Muslima? Let us recall how Christianity spread to the "New World" (North and South America). In Central Asia your culture wasn't violated by the spread of Islam.

Trust me, it's a different story:rolleyes:. There are still Turks up to this day who are non Muslims and who happily kept their beliefs. Is anyone forcing Islam down their throats?

"but it is no different than how islam spread to central asia" :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Martingale]

Pheeewww...I look at those who changed their religion the same way as I look at gays. ****ing ******s. :evil:

[melo]

Trust me, it's a different story:rolleyes:. There are still Turks up to this day who are non Muslims and who happily kept their beliefs. Is anyone forcing Islam down their throats?



I would say yes- and just ask a Russian who doesn't live in a major city how Muslims treat them. Forcing down their throats would be correct.

[Pinkie]

I would say yes- and just ask a Russian who doesn't live in a major city how Muslims treat them. Forcing down their throats would be correct.

Why would I give a damn about Russians?:evil:
No one ever told you how they treat Chechnens??!?!:evil:

[Royal]

U mening hayotimga kirib kelganligi,
menga najot berganligi,
hayotimni, meni butunlay uzgartirganligi,
yangilaganligi uchun Undan minnatdorman.
Va bilamnki,
bunday ishlarni men uchun hech kim hech qachon qilmagan va qilmaydi ham faqat U!
Hayotingami yoki ozingami ? Ruhuemi yoki Jismoniemi ?
Buni ozin bilasan , lekin botta bundoq MURDORlik safsatasini sotishni nima keragi sanga, osha kuchala yegan joyinga borib tirishsen bomiydimi ?? kochadan bez terib...

eeee padarlaringa lanat sanlani !!!

Ollohni haq yolidan qaytib yurishga yuribsan nime endi botta sasivotsanla ???

ehhh....

[Delf]

In Central Asia your culture wasn't violated by the spread of Islam.

Yes, sure. Nothing was violated. Noone was killed, noone went into exile. Only those who understood and accepted Islam did so. Others happily joined.


Delf.

[Alouddin]

ok, ok! people!

let's either stick to the topic or just not visit (or at least don't say a word) this thread. remember "Merry Christmas - Any Uzbek Christians?" (astag'firullah)

[Zamon]

I would say yes- and just ask a Russian who doesn't live in a major city how Muslims treat them. Forcing down their throats would be correct.


Oh that is a bull crap!!! :evil: never heard that Uzbek muslim force russian guy accept Islam in Uzbekistan or anywhere else. Kazahs and Kyrgyz people never do that since they are not muslims like uzbeks are. If you have real information please share

[infolife]

Sal o'zizi boscosez bolarkan. :?

shu aytgan gaplariz sunnatga qarshi bopti. Siz ularni padarlarini bilmaysiz, bu bir, balkim padarlari yahshi musulmondur. Undan keyin padarlari dunyodegi eng yomon inson bolsa ham ular uchun padar javobgar emas, la'natlashga haqqimiz yuq.

Immitate the behaviour of Muhammad SAW. Once when bibi Fatima was 9 years old he was praying near Ka'ba, some of the Quraysh threw the leftovers of dead camel and offended him. What he did? He was in Sajda and continued his prayer while Fatima r.a cleaned his hair and head off dirt and told the Quraysh off. Prophet SAW finished his prayers and made a dua to Allah swta to protect him and punish the ones who insulted him and named 7 man among whom was his uncle Abu-Lahab. He was not angry at them, he knew Allah knows best. He knew Allah would deal with them.
You have no right to judge people on behalf of Allah. Make dawah for the sake of Allah, make dawah with patience, even if they don't listen to you you shouldn't get angry at them, if you do that means your dawah is not for the sake of Allah swta. Sorry, i felt like I've to tell it. No offence to anyone:)
And you can aslo find many hadith says

Anger if from Shaytan. Anger is the wisper of Shaytan or just keep silent when you get angry so that you wouldnt curse or offend anyone and displease Allah.

Brother, read Sahih Buhkariy, Adab-Al-Mufrad, Behavior chapter.

Hayotingami yoki ozingami ? Ruhuemi yoki Jismoniemi ?
Buni ozin bilasan , lekin botta bundoq MURDORlik safsatasini sotishni nima keragi sanga, osha kuchala yegan joyinga borib tirishsen bomiydimi ?? kochadan bez terib...

eeee padarlaringa lanat sanlani !!!

Ollohni haq yolidan qaytib yurishga yuribsan nime endi botta sasivotsanla ???

ehhh....

[Royal]

shu aytgan gaplariz sunnatga qarshi bopti. Siz ularni padarlarini bilmaysiz, bu bir, balkim padarlari yahshi musulmondur. Undan keyin padarlari dunyodegi eng yomon inson bolsa ham ular uchun padar javobgar emas, la'natlashga haqqimiz yuq.
Olloh rozi bolsin..

Bu haqorat sozlarimni tegishli "inson"lar uchundir, forum ahlidan uzrlarim..

Har bir inson tugilganidan boshlab oz uyidagi sharoitga binoan bolgan darajadagi aql bilan ulgayadi, yani : "Qush uyida korganini qiladi" deganlaridek...

Agardaki bur MURDORlarni OTA-ONAlari oz vaqitlarida imonlarini mustahkamroq qilib tarbiya etganlarida bula bunchalik past ketmasdilar - "OGRI bol, Gh'AR bol
INSOFLIK bol" deganlar ham...

Har qanday sharoit bolganda ham, har qanday ahvolda bolganda ham, kim bolishidan qattie nazar oz Olloh HAQ dinidan qaytishlari bu hech qaysi mantiqga togri kelmiedi dip bilaman.

Mani ularga etganim shuki: Ular shu qabih ishga qol uriptilar va yana bu yerga kelib, ozlarini shu qabih ishlarini "fahr" bilan qilgan postlariga etilgan GAP...

Hammamizni OTA-ONAmiz quvvatlagan imonimzini Olloh yanada mustahkam qilsin va ozimizni ham farzandlarimizga OTA_ONAmiz kabi imonlarini quvvatlik qilishimizga nasib etsin...

Olloh togri yolidan adashtirmasin.

Omin.

[melo]

Oh that is a bull crap!!! :evil: never heard that Uzbek muslim force russian guy accept Islam in Uzbekistan or anywhere else. Kazahs and Kyrgyz people never do that since they are not muslims like uzbeks are. If you have real information please share

OK- I give up. Uzbek Muslims do everything perfect and you will find no cases of them doing anything bad. They are also perfectly respectful to other ethnicities and religions. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!!!Congratulations- I will never point out anything possibly wrong because it is clearly a lie. I am not going to bother giving you all the specific examples- evreyone here just wants to repeat the same things over and over again. Is that really any fun?

Actually this thread might be a shining example?? No???? I am sure "Merry Christmas- Any Uzbek Christians" was directed to muslims, right? I won't say what I believe, ( I will save that for respectful, intelligent people)- just that this is ridiculous.

[Ulugbek_99]

Assalomu Alaykum,

Royal, Infolife, yuqoridagi postingiz uchun rahmat. Shu yerda bir misolni keltirib o'tmoqchiman.

Yili esimda yo'q. O'zbekiston. Hayrulla Nuriddinov Davr(Dunyo) Hafta Ichida ko'rsatuvida "o'zbek yigiti amerika universitetiga o'zbek tilidan o'qituvchi bo'lib ketayapti" deb uni kunning qahramoni deb e'lon qildi. (deallarini bilmayman, o'zim ko'rganim yo'q). Ho'sh, keyin Yosh Kuch jurnalida Kunning Qahramoni yoki shunga o'hshashroq bosh sahifa maqola bosilib chiqqan edi. (bilganlar bo'lsa muqovada chopon va qalpoq kiygan o'zbek yigit beton ustida ozodlik haykalini cement mash'alasini ko'tarib turardi, umuman Yosh Kuchni o'qirdim, qandaydir ozroq senzurani chetlab o'tishga muvaffaq bo'lganday tuyilardi) Shunisi qiziqki maqola o'sha amerikaga universitetiga o'qituvchi bo'lib kelgan yigitni honadoshi tomonidan yozilgan edi. Bu maqolada Hayrulla Nuriddinov tomonidan aytlmagan ancha ko'p narsalar bor edi.

O'qituvchi yigitimiz inyazda o'qib yurar ekan. Studentchilik... Haligi tez pishar lapshalar boru... Bistromidi... maggimidi... Tushlikka lapsha, kechki ovqatga lapsha, hullas honadishining yozishicha ahvol yahshi emas. Lekin yigitimizning iymoni bo'lgan ekan, nomoz o'qimasada Islomiy tushunchalarni yahshi bilarkan, Islom haqida gap ketsa eng ko'p gapiradigan ham shu ekan. Bir kun yigitimiz "missionerlarni" uchratib qoladi. Ular ingliz tilini o'rgatamiz deydimi, boshqami eslolmayman, ishqilib ilashib qoladi "qahramonimiz" o'shalarga. Keyin honadoshi yigitimizni yangi kiyimlar sotib olayotganligini, cho'ntagida har doim pul (100-150 dollar/oyiga) yurganligini (har holda noodatiy hol, yigitimizni ota onasi oddiy hol oila edi) seza boshlaydi. Yana avtorimiz chet eldan yuborilgan sovg'alar, chirinliklardan, va endigi sotib olinayotgan oziq ovqatlardan beulush qolmaganini ta'kidlab o'tadi. Avtorning hulosasiga ko'ra yigit malades, o'zini mana shu hayotning har kungi lapshalaridan qutqarib ketdi. Lekin bu hulosa emas edi. Maqolani butun paragraphlari ichida boylikka dinini, yagona haqiqatni sotgan yigitlarga achinish yotardi.

Ho'sh, bunda ota onaning aybi bor ekanmi. Albatta yo'q. Ota ona bechora qishloqda bir burda nonga Ollohga shukur qilib, o'g'lining katta shaharda bilim olishidan hursand bo'lib yahshab yuradi. O'g'li esa chet el "shkalati"ga dinini, iymonini, haqiqatni sotib yuboradi. Agar dajjol ko'proq pul taklif qilsa, unda dajjolga ham sotib yuborgan bo'larmidi dinini. Umuman olganda unda din bo'lgan bo'lmaganini bilish qiyin, ahir noshukurlik qilingan birinchi navbatta, keyin bo'lgan ahvoldan tinimsiz nolish va bunga yechim qidirish. Yechim esa har oygi pullar, chet elga olib ketish vadalardi, evaziga esa keyingi hayotni Jannatidan kechish.

Hulosa shuki, bunda ota-onaning aybi yo'q. Ohiratda ota-onadan faqat "farzandinga Ollohni tanittirdingmi, iymonni o'rgattingmi?" deb so'raladi.

Olloh hammamizni iymonimizni mustahkam qilsin. Olloh asrasa hech narsa aiyon yetkaza olmaydi. Olloh asramasa Ollohdan asraguvchi o'zga kim bor.

[Royal]

....Ohiratda ota-onadan faqat "farzandinga Ollohni tanittirdingmi, iymonni o'rgattingmi?" deb so'raladi.

Olloh hammamizni iymonimizni mustahkam qilsin. Olloh asrasa hech narsa aiyon yetkaza olmaydi. Olloh asramasa Ollohdan asraguvchi o'zga kim bor.
Waalaykom assalom

Mani postim huddi shuni kozda tutgan holos.

Ilohim Omin.

[Shogird]

Hozir qaysi oy? Yanvarmi? Eski plastinka aylaneveirb sinib ketdiku. Bu erda ummuman boshqa narsalar (off toplar) muhokama qiliniyapti.