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[LIA FLAME]

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Originally Posted by LIA FLAME
privet,
ne dumala, chto pridet'ca esho raz bespokoit' tebya, mojet ne v pm sleduet otpravit' moi voprosi.. zaranee izvinyayus'.

redko zaglyadivayu v vash forum, listayu.. i mne prosto strashno. pochemu u vas bushuet antiarmyanskaya propaganda? r u getting paid for providing such a fertile platform for it??? dla etogo i izbavilis' ot edinstvennoy armyanki v forume, chtob ne meshat' ljepropagande?

chego stoit tol'ko vash "Turkistan Forumu", religiya... vi vospitivayte pantyurkistov, islamistov, extremistov, rassistov?? kogo esho? i glavnoe radi chego?? zachem vam nujno vnushat' nenavist', fobii k kakoy-libo nacii ili religioznoy gruppe? v kogo prevrashaete vashix detey?
esli skajete net, ne et vashi celi, tk zachem takie sided topics ne moderiruyut'ca?? obiliyu moderatorov v dannom forume zavidovat' mojno. pochemu u nix dvoynie standarti?

mne deystvitel'no jal'. edinstvennoe, chto mogu sdelat' - bol'she ne zaglyadivat' k vam, ne videt', ne znat', ne bespokoit'ca... i esli ran'she vezde vstrechaya uzbekov radovalas' kak zemlyakam, rodnim chel-am, otnine doljna bit' razumnoy i derjat'ca podal'she, skrivat' otkuda, svoyu nacional'nost'. tol'ko vot povadki strausa ne po mne.

merry christmas, Lilit

Lia, ne znayu s chego ti vzyala chto forum nastroyen protiv Armyan. Yesli uvidish takoy topic - day mne znat' and I'll take care of it. I just haven't had much time lately to moderate everything that's going on and I believe the moderators have the same problem.

Having a Turkish forum does not mean that everyone is against Armenians. What happened between Turkey and Armenia is well known and I believe we should not get ourselves involved in these conflicts, because it will only bring up fights among the forum members. This is the sole reason why I had to "hide" the Armenian Genocide topic - people started to fight and cuss at each other.

Panturkisti yest', i ya nichego ploxogo v etom ne viju, tak kak yest' balans mejdu nimi - nekotoriye za, nekotoriye protiv. Islamisti toje yest' i opyat' taki, nichego ploxogo v tom chto oni yest' ya ne viju - the majority of Uzbekistan is muslims. A vot extremistam i rassistam mesta na forume net. If you see a message that provokes people to be extrimists or racists, please let me know and I'll take care of it.

Nasim

[LIA FLAME]

Lia, ne znayu s chego ti vzyala chto forum nastroyen protiv Armyan. Yesli uvidish takoy topic - day mne znat' and I'll take care of it. I just haven't had much time lately to moderate everything that's going on and I believe the moderators have the same problem.ya tak i predstavlyala, ne znala est' li smisl etim bespokoit' te. current moderatori ludshe znayut chto tvorit'ca v forume, smogli b cho-t obyasnit'. esli ti ne protiv, mojno i na obshee obsujdenie stavit', v konce koncov eto kosaet'ca ne tol'ko menya, admina i moderatorov, no i vsem aktivnim useram.

vot primer konkretnogo topica: "Massacres and Genocides Committed Against Turks" http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=26248
po-tvoemu kakaya cel' takogo topica?? ob'ektivno informirovat' forumchan cho kak bilo s ixnimi brat'yami turkami, nauchit' tolerantnosti, ponimaniya mejdu kul'turami i prochim krasivim vesham? an net, prizivat' svoix musul'manskix, tureckix brat'ev na "spravedlivuyu" mest' za prolituyu krov' turkov. vse turkskie nacii/strani doljni soedinit'ca i vmeste, s mosh'yu borot'ca protiv etix gyavurov. vidish li, eto greki i armyane rezali turkov v istoricheskoy rodine turkov, zaxvatili ix zemli i nikak ne naoborot. esli fil'trovat' vse infos v etom topice, naydesh 3% pravdi, no v zdeshney auditorii takoe katit, esho kak. oni znat' ne znayut chto proizoshlo v regione, ne budut utrujdat' sebya samim chitat', uznavat', ne budut slushat' druguyu storonu, vse chto izvestno vsemu zapadnomu miru, do nix ne doxodit, oni slishut tol'ko to chto svoi mass medii peredayut, svoi uchebniki uchat, svoi "brat'ya" agitiruyut... zachem verit' kakim-t tam nevernim varvaram armyanam i grekam, esli nashi brat'ya turki govoryat eto tak i mi doljni podderjat' ix.

nikomu tut dela netu, chto voyna nachela azerbaijan, vse ravno dla nix aggressor -arm. nikto znat' ne xochet, chto eto az-ci nacheli etnicheskuyu chistku armyan v az-e i v karabaxe, chto mestnoe naselenie prosto neorganizovanno nachelo zashishat'ca, borot'ca za svoy dom, svoi zemli, svoix detey, za chest' svoix jenshin.. a ne naoborot. nachelas voyna, kotoruyu ne svomtrya na silovoe prevosxodstvo, az proigral. a u proigravshey storoni vsegda bol'she poter'. krichat, chto "akupanti" armyane zaneli chetvert' az zemel' (to bish 25%), a ne osvobodili svoi zemli i zavoevali v voyne 7% az teritorii, kotoriy slujit kak polosa bezopasnosti vokrug karabaxa, chtob iz az bol'she ne smogli bombit' mirnoe naselenie karabaxa, i chto pri razresheniya konflikta i garantiy bezopasnosti so storoni az-a eti zemli podlejat vozvratu. chto vopreki zakonam voyni bol'she 10 let tol'ko pobedivshie armyani viyavlayut gotovnost' k ustopkam, k kompromissu na peregovorax. vse krichat o milionax bejencov v az-e, no zabivayut o bejencax armyan iz az-a, o pogromax v sumgaite, baku, kirovabade esho do voyni.

krichat pro Xodjalu, plachut, rvut se volosi, vsem pokazivayut ujasnie kartini, no zabivayut, chto v tragedii xodjali vinovati boeviki az-ci, svoi sobstvennie predateli, chto truslivo spryatalis' sredi mirnix jiteley pri evakuacii i ottuda nacheli boynyu. i gde oni? ix nakazali? net, zatklnuli vijivshim xodjaliycam rot. kakoy udobniy sluchay, miru pokajem nashix jertv i kakie armyane zveri. luboy xodjaliec podtverdit, chto armyanskie voiska chisami gromkogovoritelem preduprejdali jitelyam o napadenii, dali vremya sobirat'ca, otkrili gumanitarniy korridor dla evakuacii mirnix jiteley. kak etim pol'zovalis' xrabrie az voini, na ix sovesti. net, nu chtobi stidit'ca, molchat', esho i krichat na ves' mir i brosayut otvetstvennost' za nevinnix jertv na armyan.

ran'she dumala vse takoe mojno tol'ko ignorirovat', pust' dumayut vo chto im udobnee, chto udovletvoryaet ix ushemlonnoe nac ego, ot etogo v mire nichego ne izmenit'ca. mi zashisheni za svoimi granicami, a zagranicoy mi vse int'l studenti, na nel'tral'noy zone ne budem vrajdavat', perevodit' gos konflikti na lichnie otnosheniya mejdu nami.. no ignorirovanie okazalos' samoy bol'shoy oshibkoy. v budapeshte jertva official'noy azerbeijanskoy agitacii nochyu toporom ubil spyashego sokursnika armenina. 10ki udarov toporom na svyashego cheloveka, ti predstavlaesh kak on nenavidel armyan? i az-e obshestvo vozvelo etogo xrabrogo az-ca v rang nac geroya. i wonder gde bili takie "geroyi" vo vremya voyni i ne ubivali vragov na pole voyni, a spyashego v postele.

v karabaxksoy voyne na storone azerbeijancov voevali prosto komu ne len'. 1000i afganci, ex boyci afganskoy voyni, chechenci, turki, iz sredney azii.. sami-t ponimali radi chego borolis'? somnevayus'. eto bila ne ix rodina, ne ix voyna, ne ix bor'ba. prosto 1 storona konflikta bili musul'mani, "turki", im bol'she ne o chem bilo dumat'.

i esli xot' odin uzbek pochitav poduobnuyu xeraniyu v etom forume napolnit'ca nenavist'yu i pri sluchae vpusit svoyu agressiyu protiv armyan, v etom budet i moya vina. koz videla chto tvorilos', no nichego ne sdelala. nu chto ya mogu sdelat' tut???

libo voovse zapreshaete pogovorit' o konfliktax, chto ne kosayut'ca uz-ov i uz-na, libo obespechivayte balans storon, vzglyadov. a to chto shas imeete, eto odnastoronaya, napravlennaya agitaciya turkov i azeri.

no vot, zastavlayut utku gotovit', potom dogovoru.

[LIA FLAME]

Having a Turkish forum does not mean that everyone is against Armenians. sure, if they only discussed their own culture, language or religion, maybe similarities with uzbek ones.. quite in place for an uzbek forum. then just search "armenian, armenia, ermeni ili kak tam esho sklonyayut na tureckom. ti verish, chto oni obsujdayut kakie u armyan glaza krasivie?:)

a pochemu imenno i tol'ko turkish forum, a ne skajem i albanskiy? a ya b predlojila i armyanskiy otkrit'.. navernika armyan v uzb-e bol'she, chem turkov. budem govorit' po-armyanski v vashem forume, obsujdat' nashi armyanskie dela, provodit' nashu propagandu (a chto, tol'ko u turkov svoya propoganda?) chtobi arm-oe men'shenstvo uzb-a ne teryalo svoyu identichnost', kul'turu, yazik itp. i forum stanet tolerantnim, mnogokul'turnim.. no takogo ne budet, armyan tak je ne naxlinet v etot forum. xotyabi po tomu, chto netu u nas celi rasshirit' vliyanie na srednuyu aziyu, assimilirovat' vas, polojit' ruku na vashi zemli..

ok, eto moderatori razdela obyazani sledit' za poryadkom, a kto tam moderatori? 2oe navernoe turki, znayu tol'ko paxa s tex por, chto part-time entertainerom rabotala tut. nenavidit armyan, arm-yu i navernoe sam ne znaet pochemu. esli rech o genocide, to on libo otvergaet, libo dumaet pravil'no starshie brat'ya sdelali. esli rech' ob azerbaijane, to arm "aggressor, okupant, terrorist" i mnogo esho chego. esli ob arm-ii, obezatel'no viskajet svoe avtoritetnoe mnenie "arm is in a deep shit". itp. prepisivayu solidarnosti k tureckim i islamskim bratyam:) ves'ma ob'yektivnaya komanda moderatorov.. kogda v "turkish" razdele aktivno uchastvuyut tol'ko turki i pro-turecki nastroennie (at least znayushie tureckiy yazik), a moderiruet takaya kommanda, to po-opredeleniyu razdel ne mojet NE bit' antiarmyanskim, rassistkim, extremistskim. takim i yavlaet'ca.

What happened between Turkey and Armenia is well known and I believe we should not get ourselves involved in these conflicts, because it will only bring up fights among the forum members. This is the sole reason why I had to "hide" the Armenian Genocide topic - people started to fight and cuss at each other.
they were fighting & cussin years ago in that topic, but it wasn't deleted either closed. after i joined the topic ppl rather stopped only cursing, started discussing. vprochem, uje viskazalas' tut: http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?p=237431#post237431

ok, let arm genocide be taboo in this forum. then why turks again open topics on it & their cynics are not stopped? why wasn't e.g. this topic http://www.forum.uz/showthread.php?t=24724 closed?

again, poprosite moder-am prekrashat' eti dvoynie standarti. libo zapretite VSEM zatragivat' konfliktnie, mejnacional'nie temi, kotorie ne imeyut pryamogo otnosheniya k uzb, libo obespechivayte usloviya dla vsestoronnoy, balansirovannoy, ob'ektivnoy osveshenii problem.

best, Lilit

[PainKiller]

Lili,
Sladkaya moya,
Ya uzhe davno perestala pisat' v religioznom forume/mne dostup zakrili kak nevernoy#1 :lol: /
A v tureckiy forum ya ne zaglyadivala, po etomu i ne uvidela temu. Sorry.:P