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Administrator

01-11-2006, 04:47 PM

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

Agar haliham yetib bormagan bolsa bu gaplarni sir Bernard Shaw ning aytganon eslatib qoyi(u odam kim bolganin bilmasangiz googldan qidirng )
va islom haqidagi boshqa fikirlar uchun musulmon-yahudiylarininig saytidagi shu linkga qarang
http://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/What-non-Muslims-sayabout-Muhammad.htm

Shogird

01-11-2006, 09:05 PM

"... Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world ..........”

Agar haliham yetib bormagan bolsa bu gaplarni sir Bernard Shaw ning aytganon eslatib qoyi(u odam kim bolganin bilmasangiz googldan qidirng )
va islom haqidagi boshqa fikirlar uchun musulmon-yahudiylarininig saytidagi shu linkga qarang
http://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/What-non-Muslims-sayabout-Muhammad.htm

Birodar bu bilan nima demoqchisiz endi. Bernard Shaw haqida ozgina eshitgandim va shu maqola tufayli qisqacha yana u kishi haqida tanishib chiqdim. U yozuvchi va siyosiy arbob bo'lgan ekan. U Marx asarlari bilan tanishib keying socialism g'oyalarini ilgari surgan kishi ekan. Men uning diniy hayoti haqida axborot yo'q.
Bu kishi Islomning siyosiy din ekanligini tan olgan ekan. Islom siyosiy din buni men tushunaman. Arab xalifatligini boshqarish uchun yagona go'ya kerak bo'lgan. Men tanqid qilmayapman, aytmoqchimanki har bir imperiya jamiyat va halqlarni birlashtirib turuvchi g'oya bilan boshqarilgan.
Bernard Shaw Islom haqida fikrini bilidiribdi. Bu uning shaxsiy fikri.
'Savior of Humanity' degan gapni qanday tushunish kerak. Muqaddas Kitoblarda bu unvon faqat Arshi Aolo tomonidan yuborilgan Masih-Shohga (Iso Masih) tegishlidir.

MUHLIS

01-12-2006, 02:17 AM

Birodar bu bilan nima demoqchisiz endi. Bernard Shaw haqida ozgina eshitgandim va shu maqola tufayli qisqacha yana u kishi haqida tanishib chiqdim. U yozuvchi va siyosiy arbob bo'lgan ekan. U Marx asarlari bilan tanishib keying socialism g'oyalarini ilgari surgan kishi ekan. Men uning diniy hayoti haqida axborot yo'q.
Bu kishi Islomning siyosiy din ekanligini tan olgan ekan. Islom siyosiy din buni men tushunaman. Arab xalifatligini boshqarish uchun yagona go'ya kerak bo'lgan. Men tanqid qilmayapman, aytmoqchimanki har bir imperiya jamiyat va halqlarni birlashtirib turuvchi g'oya bilan boshqarilgan.
Bernard Shaw Islom haqida fikrini bilidiribdi. Bu uning shaxsiy fikri.
'Savior of Humanity' degan gapni qanday tushunish kerak. Muqaddas Kitoblarda bu unvon faqat Arshi Aolo tomonidan yuborilgan Masih-Shohga (Iso Masih) tegishlidir.
Manda birinchi sizga nisbatan nafrat uyg'ondi xatto "thanks" degan tugmaning yonida "hate this" degan tugma bo'lsaydi deb xam o'yladim. Ammo menimcha sizdan nafratlanishga hojat yo'q. Sizning bugun bu holga tushishingizga sabab bizdagi, jamiyatimizdagi kamchiliklar, e'tiqodimizni yaxshi bilmaslik sabab bo'lgan bo'sa ehtimol. Agar sizning miyangizni zaharlamaslaridan avval, 100-200 dollarga sotilmasingizdan avval o'z e'tiqodingiz xaqida yetarli bilimga ega bo'lganingizda va daromadingiz yaxshi bo'lganida balki hozir siz huddi shunday sadoqat bilan Islom yo'lida yurgan bo'lishingiz mumkin edi.....
Shuning uchun men sizga o'xshaganlar bilan tortishishdan ko'ra o'sha sizni yo'ldan chiqishingizga sabab bo'lgan narsalardan qutulishimizni orzu qilaman. Sizku oxiratingizni kuydirib bo'lgandursiz (yana Alloh biladi) ammo biz boshqalarni asrashimiz kerak toki siz kabi xatolar bo'lmasin.

lost

01-12-2006, 02:39 AM

Blah blah blah...
blah blah blah...
Bu kishi Islomning siyosiy din ekanligini tan olgan ekan. Islom siyosiy din buni men tushunaman. Arab xalifatligini boshqarish uchun yagona go'ya kerak bo'lgan. Men tanqid qilmayapman...
Blah blah blah...
blah blah blah...

:rolleyes:
Shogird, siz o'ziz xyz va abc ekansiz,
buni men tushunaman.
Men tanqid qilmayapman...

Ehh... odamlar....

Marg'iloniy

01-12-2006, 02:57 AM

Iqbol

01-12-2006, 05:46 AM

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va islom haqidagi boshqa fikirlar uchun musulmon-yahudiylarininig saytidagi shu linkga qarang

Rosululloh sav haqida sher yozgan bir shoir aytgan ekanki:
"Mening so'zlarim Muhammad'ni ziynatlamadilar,
balki Muhammad mening so'zlarimga ziynat berip turibdi".

Yani, agar bir inson islom haqida, paygambarimiz haqida biror narsa aytgan bo'lsa bu islomning sha'niga, Paygambarimiz'ning shaniga zarra qadar daraja qo'shmaydi. Va bu s'ozlarning aynisi nomusulmonlarga, yoki shu nomusulmonlar ichidan musulmon bo'layotganlarning gap amallariga ham tegishli. Ular biror gap aytgan bo'lsa, yoki musulmonchilikni tanigan bo'lsalar bu ular uchun katta sharaf bo'ladi. Lekin buning teskarisini aytib bo'lmaydi.
Zotan, Islomning va Paygambarimiz'ning sav shon-sharaflari bu ular olip kelgan habarning haqiqatida, mohiyatida va asrlar davomida bu xabar zaminida vujudga kelgan bebaho va tengi yo'q o'nlab madaniyat sivilizasiyalar bilan o'lchanadi. Bu haqida biror go'zal so'z aytayotgan inson esa faqatgina shu yutuqlarni tilga ketirip o'tmoqda xolos.
Va bu post'ni Adminsitrator boshqa bir postga javob sifatida ochganga o'xshaydi. Lekin siz agar o'sha postlarda keltirilgan mualliflarga qarasangiz ularning ko'pchiligi Iso alayhissalom haqida gap aytgan bo'lsa ham ularning amallari hech qachon asl Hazrati Iso'nin asl davatiga yaqin ham yo'lamagan, hattoki teskarisi bo'lgan. Demak, yoki Iso alayhissalomning xabari no'to'gri bol'gan ( bu esa mumkin emas) yoki bu gapni aytgan insonlar amali bilan buninng teskarisni ko'rsatib, o'zlarining bu habardan uzoqligini ko'rsatganlar va ularning so'zlarining ko'p qadri qolmaydi. Zotan, Hazrati Iso alayhissalomning qadri Qur'onda sobitdir.
Va, tarihda islom haqida va paygambarimiz Muhammad sav haqida musulmon nomusulmon ko'p buyuk insonlar yahshi gaplar aytishgan bo'lsa ham, biz bularning hammasini keltirip o'tishimizga hojat yo'q. Haqiqy isbot, bu asrlar davomida islomga yaqinlashgan, Paygambar sav bulogidan suv ichgan insonlarning tubdan o'zgarishlari va ularning bu tasir natijasida tarihda ham, hozirgi kunda ham eng ilg'or, eng go'zal o'rnak bo'ladigan amallar qilip kelayotganligidadir.

Akhee-Abdullah

01-12-2006, 06:23 AM

Birodar bu bilan nima demoqchisiz endi. ....

Ya Mushrik, Enemy of Yeshua Masheh, and the follower of Saul, the slave of Satan -

I do not think....you can call Adminastrator or any other muslim in this forum "birodar" : ) This is why.

The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islâmic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allâh, that you may receive mercy. (Translation of the Meaning of the Al-Hujurat 49:10)

As for your, your brothers are described here:

But (as for) their brothers (the devils) they (i.e. the devils) plunge them deeper into error, and they never stop short. (Al-A'raf 7:202)

If you meant brother in Humanity...then it is acceptable.

Shogird

01-13-2006, 04:46 AM

Akhee-Abdullah

01-13-2006, 08:47 AM

I called him 'birodar' according to Adam. Also your attitude serves well to your religion. There is no need to answer you back. Tree is known by its fruit. What fruit are you?

Ya Mushrik & enemy of Yeshua Masheh-

Well you do not need to take offence, when somebody teaches you a lesson about his own religion. You are preaching your version of christianity, thus I commented to your how we feel when preachers like you call us "brodar", honestly it does not resonate, since you are not "birodar" to us. We do not establish brotherhood with Polytheists/Mushriks, those who worship created beings.

You could argue "well, we Jews & Christians, and many others believe in the Oneness of God & that's actually what Islaam preaches as well."

Well not really : ) I will explain to you why. Arab Christians, Jews, and other Mushriks believed God was One, but they worshipped Idols, Icons and Prophets and even Saints along with God so that they could get closer to the Lord.

Islaam reinstated old teachings of the all the prophets, that we should WORSHIP Eli/Allah and Eli Only!!!

Another point, you claim to follow Yeshua Masheh, then why do not you obey him (alayhissalati wassalam) in:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, "Shmah Yisrael, Adonay Ilohaynu Adonay Ihad " - Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord. Mar 12:29

He is not saying I am One. Yeshua Masheh is saying, "Our Lord", that's my God and your God, then why do you call him a God? It is an apparent blasphemy against his (alayhissalati wassalam) teachings. The same is supported in the Quraan:

Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." (Al-Ma'idah 5:72)

To clarify the point Yeshua Masheh calls himself man, not God:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Ti 2:5

Then why do you worship him not the God alone, ya Mushrik???!! Do not have no BRAIN?? Is anyone home up there?? : )

Finally, Knowing something does not make you Muslim. Even Satan believes that God is One!!! But he is a KAFIR like you!!!!

Here is why:

Satan did not worship the only Lord, Eli while knowing that God was One like the rest of Christians and Jews. He was ordered to bow down to Adam to show respect since Adam was superior to Satan with respect to Knowledge of things that Eli did not teach Satan. Satan was arrogant, so are you guys. He knew the truth, but disobeyed, so do you guys.

So saying that believing that God is One puts a person in the ranks of Monotheists is quite a lame argument! Prophets did not call to believe in One God only, they rather called TO WORSHIP ONE GOD ONLY!!!

This is where you guys screwed up big time, and became polytheists. I have given to you quotes from your own book, which you could not digest and reply to me. You wanna discuss something, be open minded, and argue best if you can, that's a real challenge.

In terms of you attributing my rude attitude towards you, to my religion, Islaam, this also is a very lame argument fella. I can give you a long list of atrocities committed by Christians that do not represent the teachings of your religion. Can I say they are fruit of Christianity???

KKK-is a Christian Right Wing Organization, that lynched Afro-Americans because of their color.

Your NOT- Catholic, North American breed of Christians enslaved, tortured and RAPED the Afro-Americans for centures.

Christians MURDERED AND BURNED THE JEWS. Baked them in the Gas Chambers.

Well, one could argue Hitler & Mussolini may have not been a good representative sample of "well mannered" Christian population, but what about the millions of German, Italian, & Hungarian Christians who hailed Hitler and participated in the Holocast??? Were not they Christians? Yes they were BIG time.

Why did they murder the THE JEWS? Of course, because of YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF!!!

They had RELIGIOUS HATRED TOWARDS THE JEWS. They always believed JEWS killed their GOD!!! And they STILL DO!!
Hatred was imbedded in their CREED.

Why did CRUSADERS RAID Jerusalem for centuries? Murdered, Raped, and Tortured Both Muslims and Jews???

Now, you come here and play an innocent Christian, who preaches only LOVE??!!! And that people like me fruit of an Evil Religion who preaches Terrorism???

No need to reply, since we know the answer. These days Islaam is attacked from all directions because of the acts of couple fools who happened to have been WRONGED, big time, by the very Christians!!!

Do not gimme a Surprised Look!!! It is all the fruits of your agression!!! Even the snake bites back when you step on it.

I, along with all Muslims condemn, Terrorism, committed by Both Christians and Muslims.

I never say Christianity preaches Terrorism. But you are hinting that Islaam does preach.

I hate and cannot stand hypocricy of Missionaries, no offence intended!!! Boy please go somewhere else and preach your "His-Story" of the events. I hate this racist, pedarast child rapist Christian PREACHERS!!! Shame on you people!!!

How dared you guys to segregate, rape and apartheid the blacks until 1960's in the name of Christianity, Humanity and Democracy???

Wishing you guidance.

The Honest Follower of Yeshua MAsheh.

Aziz

01-13-2006, 04:25 PM

Ya Mushrik, Enemy of Yeshua Masheh, and the follower of Saul, the slave of Satan -

I do not think....you can call Adminastrator or any other muslim in this forum "birodar" : ) This is why.

As for your, your brothers are described here:

If you meant brother in Humanity...then it is acceptable.

brother, if you have anything against him just say it, don't curse him

Allaha says

"And do not abuse those whom they call upon, apart from God, for then they will abuse God out of spite in ignorance. Thus We have adorned to every community their deed, then to their Lord shall they return, and He will tell them what they have been doing.(6:109)"

and says
"Call thou to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and good admonition, and plead with them in a way that is most handsome. It is thy Lord who knows best those who have gone astray from His way, and He knows best the guided ones.(16:125)"

and said to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
"And it is by some mercy of God that thou art gentle to them; hadst thou been harsh and hard of heart, they would have dispersed from about thee; so pardon them.....(3:159)"

Akhee-Abdullah

01-13-2006, 07:20 PM

brother, if you have anything against him just say it, don't curse him

Allaha says

"And do not abuse those whom they call upon, apart from God, for then they will abuse God out of spite in ignorance. Thus We have adorned to every community their deed, then to their Lord shall they return, and He will tell them what they have been doing.(6:109)"

and says
"Call thou to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and good admonition, and plead with them in a way that is most handsome. It is thy Lord who knows best those who have gone astray from His way, and He knows best the guided ones.(16:125)"

and said to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
"And it is by some mercy of God that thou art gentle to them; hadst thou been harsh and hard of heart, they would have dispersed from about thee; so pardon them.....(3:159)"

Assalam alaikum.

What you said is the truth, we hear and we obey!

TOLIBI ILM

01-14-2006, 01:30 PM

Eh, shogirdboy ...

Islom siyosiy din deyish manimcha bu ahmaqona gap. Islom bu musulmonlar uchun hamma narsaning asosiy g'oyasi faqatgina siyosat emas. Bernard Shaw Angliya va butun Yevropani hozirgi botqoqdan haqiqiy islom qutqarib qoladi demokchi bulgan busa ajab emas.

:salam:

Бродар азиз "ислом" дегани, ўзбекчада "бўйсиниш" дегани, Аллоҳ с.б.т. бутун махлуқотларга икки қонун ўрнатди; 1.- мажбурий қонун. 2.- ихтиёрий қонун.
1.Мажбурий қонунга хохласангиз ҳам хохламасангиз ҳам бўйсиниб яшайсиз;
шулардан: оғиз билан емоқ-ичмоқ, кўз билан кўрмоқ, қулоқ билан эшитмоқ ва хаказолар..., энди мана хеч махал қулоқ билан кўриб бўлмайди ёки кўз билан эшитиб бўлмайди., мана қонунни (сиёсат)ни ким ўрнатган, бекамикўз хамма аъзолар ўз ўрнида ишлайверади.
2.Ихтиёрий (сиёсат) қонунни ўз зиммамизга ихтиёр қилиб қўйган, ана энди ким Аллоҳ с.б.т.ни бандаларга ихтиёр қилиб қуйган, ихтиёрий қонунига бўйсинса албатта ўша банда омонда; агар бошқалар қонуни Аллоҳ с.б.т.ннинг қонунидан устун қуйса, ана ўшалар зиёнда (ўзингиз кўриб, гувохи бўлиб турибсиз) мисол зинокорни жазоси одамлар конунига асосан жазоланиб кундан-кунга зинокорлар кўпайиб бормоқдалар. Агар бизларни яратган холиқ зотни қонунига амал қилиб жазоланганда эди, йўқолиб кетарди. Бунга саодат асри тарих гувох бўлади. Мана хозир бу муаъммо бутун ер юзини қоплади СПИД давоси йўқ дард. Ихтиёрий қонунга амал қилсак, барча муаммолардан қутилардик...

:jazak:

Uyyonli

01-14-2006, 03:14 PM

Manda birinchi sizga nisbatan nafrat uyg'ondi xatto "thanks" degan tugmaning yonida "hate this" degan tugma bo'lsaydi deb xam o'yladim. Ammo menimcha sizdan nafratlanishga hojat yo'q. Sizning bugun bu holga tushishingizga sabab bizdagi, jamiyatimizdagi kamchiliklar, e'tiqodimizni yaxshi bilmaslik sabab bo'lgan bo'sa ehtimol. Agar sizning miyangizni zaharlamaslaridan avval, 100-200 dollarga sotilmasingizdan avval o'z e'tiqodingiz xaqida yetarli bilimga ega bo'lganingizda va daromadingiz yaxshi bo'lganida balki hozir siz huddi shunday sadoqat bilan Islom yo'lida yurgan bo'lishingiz mumkin edi.....
Shuning uchun men sizga o'xshaganlar bilan tortishishdan ko'ra o'sha sizni yo'ldan chiqishingizga sabab bo'lgan narsalardan qutulishimizni orzu qilaman. Sizku oxiratingizni kuydirib bo'lgandursiz (yana Alloh biladi) ammo biz boshqalarni asrashimiz kerak toki siz kabi xatolar bo'lmasin.

Assalomaleykum wa rahmatulloh. Men oddiy bir demokratman. Islom va Erkinlikni bir-biriga qarshi qo'yish va Ozodlikni sevuvchilarni haqorat qilish yahshi ish emas. To'g'ri... tushunaman, siz Olloh yo'liga o'zinggizni bahshida etgandirsiz ammo ko'proq bilimga ega bo'lsanggiz va o'rganaversanggiz, islomda yanggi kashfiyot va yanggi kurash usullarini topaverasiz.
Ha tushunaman. Kofirlar har doim ham bo'lgan, chunki Olloh shaytonga erkinlik berib insonyat bilan kurashga qo'ygan. Biz bandalar esa uning har hil hiyla va nayranglariga bo'y sunib shayton tomonidan boshqarilyapmiz. Mol dunyo shayton tanlagan asosiy qudrad hisoblani u har qanday kishini har hil yo'lga torta oladi, o'sha mol-dunyosiz yashash naqadar qiyinliga ham hammaga ma'lum. Keling manoliroq ochiqchasiga tushuntiray. Ovro'pa va AQsh dunyoni o'z puli va "mass of destruction"i bilan boshqaradi. Ular hatto Saudiyani ham o'zi hohlagan tarafga oqizadilar. Unga qarshi kurashuvchilar esa Terrorchiga aylanadi.

Ey Olloh Shayton Bilan Kurashishga Yordam Ber.

HarunYahya

01-14-2006, 06:25 PM

USA, Lezia Hill-Harris

In the Qur'an, it teaches the believers to call to Islam with wisdom and fair preaching, to call others to worship The Living GOD and not to ascribe partners in worship with Him.

Mrs. Lezia Hill-Harris
Knowing The Creator Non-profit Publications
Owner/Publisher

HarunYahya

01-14-2006, 06:29 PM

United Kingdom, Mona Abdul Haq

In the past, the Muslim World flourished on account of this understanding, and made great leaps in the fields of scientific discovery, medicine, astronomy, engineering, etc. They were spurred on by religious conviction and the commandment to seek knowledge...

Mona Abdul Haq
Director, Saracen Press

HarunYahya

01-14-2006, 06:33 PM

Yugoslavia, Miroljub Petrovic

For several years I worked with most prominent scientific organizations which are working in affirmation concept of creation and was working in publishing their books and videos in Yugoslavia. But, when I saw books and videos written by moslem scientists, I decided that in future I will work just on materials by them.

Miroljub Petrovic, B.Sc.Geology
President of Center for Natural Studies

HarunYahya

01-14-2006, 06:38 PM

United Kingdom, Gai Eaton

I have a friend living in Cairo, an English Muslim of my age who nominally accepted Islam many years ago, but who told me recently in a letter that he cannot really "believe" because he accepts totally the theory of evolution and cannot reconcile this with the faith of Islam. It has seemed almost like a small miracle that "The Evolution Deceit" has turned up at this very moment.

Gai Eaton,
Former British Diplomat
President of The London Central Mosque Trust & The Islamic Cultural Centre