Hamas 'ready to talk to Israel'

[Delf]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4692114.stm

The political leader of Palestinian militant group Hamas has said it is willing to take a serious step towards peace if Israel does the same.

Mr Meshaal said he wanted to send a message to the next Israeli government that Hamas would be ready to talk if Israel met certain strict conditions.

The most important of these was that Israel must withdraw to the boundaries it had until the 1967 Middle East war.


Finally, Hamas is making some steps to negotiations.


Delf.

[Sayyoh]

imagine hamas' spokesman walking in and saying "highly esteemed ladies and gentlemen... we r gonna wipe you guys off the face of eather anyway... too bad..." :lol:

[Ulug'bek]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4692114.stm



Finally, Hamas is making some steps to negotiations.


Delf.

I have watched the interview.

It was interesting to see how they(BBC) were omitting the name of Ahmad Yaseen form the Khaled Meshaal's speech (when he said : Hamas is ready to have long-term peace with Israel as Shaikh Ahmad Yasin was saying that all the time)!:) and of-course they did it on purpose, to make viewers not to notice that Hamas was offering since few years long term truce with Israel!

Hamas did its first move! And how did Israel responded?
It responded saying 'I am right, because I am powerful'!

''Ehud Olmert said Israel would be prepared to give up parts of the West Bank where most Palestinians were living''.

He ''said if he won next month's poll, Israel would retain West Bank settlement blocs and Jerusalem''.

As all of you know, East Jerusalem and West Bank, both are considered occupaid territories and all jewish settlements are also considered illegal under international law, but where is the action of international community against this type illegal actions of Israel!
Israel stands on defiance of more than 40 UN resolutions!
But nobody does any thing!
Ooops, i forgot that israel is special, special teatment needed for specials... or do we have some other secrets behind this reality ...

People must understand that until we have a just international system, we can't have stability on our planet!


You can fool one of the people all of the time or all of the people one of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time!

[stanford]

I admire Hamas for its activism.Hopefully it is going to do better than corrupted fatah.

[Guardian]

Corruption comes usually when a group holds the power. So, let's hope Hamas won't get corrupted in near future.

As on Hamas's opportunities, today the Russian president has said he will invite Hamas leaders to Moscow for talks, following the militant group's victory in Palestinian elections.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4698240.stm

[Pinkie]

imagine hamas' spokesman walking in and saying "highly esteemed ladies and gentlemen... we r gonna wipe you guys off the face of eather anyway... too bad..." :lol:
:lol:That's called a sound bite:lol:. Stay tuned for more of them in television news broadcasts near you!

Seriously speaking, I am happy about this "negotiation". It's better than nothing.

[Milky_Way_NY]

Ho[pe that hammas will not be corrupted? an organization that deliberately kills innocent civilians cannot be corrupted? If Allah exist, Yassin and all this animals will burn in hell.
Peace in Palestine.

MOdified below:

Da votsaritsa Mir v Palestinu v blizhaishem budushem!

[Pinkie]

Ho[pe that hammas will not be corrupted? an organization that deliberately kills innocent civilians cannot be corrupted? If Allah exist, Yassin and all this animals will burn in hell.
Peace in Palestine.
As opposed to Israeli soldiers that kill innocent civilians?

[Milky_Way_NY]

imagine hamas' spokesman walking in and saying "highly esteemed ladies and gentlemen... we r gonna wipe you guys off the face of eather anyway... too bad..." :lol:
with hate towards Jews, this idiots (terrorists) make their own life worse.
I was in Israel. I love Israel. When a Palestinian man was cleaning my room I gave him extra tips, because he is a human being. If we treat humanity just the way we would want to be treated life would be easiyer for all. So far, Arafat, let Allah burn that terrorist and (politicaly incorrect word was here) in hell, brought more problems to it's own people.

[Milky_Way_NY]

As opposed to Israeli soldiers that kill innocent civilians?

If Israeli soldier would kill an innocent civilian, he would end up in Israeli Jail.
Do you have any statistics of how many inocent people were killed by Israel?

[Pinkie]

If Israeli soldier would kill an innocent civilian, he would end up in Israeli Jail.
Do you have any statistics of how many inocent people were killed by Israel?
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/Palestinian_killed_fact_sheet.htm
I don't think the deaths of 3,020 Palestinians between September 28th, 2000 and May 5th, 2004 were because of "retaliation".

[referee]

with hate towards Jews, this idiots (terrorists) make their own life worse.


They have a reason to hate Israeli Jews, don't you think so. Would you love someone who stole your land, killed your relatives and imprisoned in your own country???


I was in Israel. I love Israel. When a Palestinian man was cleaning my room I gave him extra tips, because he is a human being. If we treat humanity just the way we would want to be treated life would be easiyer for all.


Right, great now your conscience can feel redeemed - you paid a generous tip to a Palestinian. European also feel redeemed because they sent their tips in for of miniscule aid. Giving tips does not mean treating people humanely and justly. Slaves in America got tips, but that did not make them more free! Palestinians need liberation from opression and want their country back, not lousy tips from some tourists!


So far, Arafat, let Allah burn that terrorist and homosexual in hell, brought more problems to it's own people.

I don't know if you are Muslim, but in Islam we don't curse deseased Muslims in a way you did. If you have any issues about Arafat's legacy, bring the concrete points and then we see how your argument flows. IMHO, it was not Arafat that conspired with Europeans and brought Zionist terrorists on boats to Palestine last century. It was not him that murdered Brits and killed and commited genocide against thousands and thousands of Palestinians, and it was not him who seized private properties from Palestinians and distributed to kibutz and settlers.

It is not Arafat that is building apartheidic wall to creat a huge prison for Palestinians, it is not Arafat that is excavating under Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem or digging out ancient graves from the 10th century Muslim cemetary in Jerusallem to build a theme park on "tolerance and inter-religious dialogue".

I don't know how much you know about Israel, but it seems you have gone through a typical touristic masqarade that Israelis prepare for uninformed visitors to show "good old democratic Israel". Israelis are great in hiding the facts of their oppression, but as Uzbeks say the Moon can't covered up by a hankie....

[Uzbekxonim]

the game has begun...
i hope it will not lead to an ancrease of anger between two nations...

it's good that Hamas made its first step peacefully, i can imagine faces of those people who consider them as a terrorist group...

[referee]

Here are couple of articles describing Hamas victory and the situation on the ground, for those who want to know...

Israel: Sharon the blessed

The victory of Hamas in the Palestinian elections has come when the mirage of a peace settlement (invoked in the encomiums for Ariel Sharon) had blinded the world to what is really happening.


http://mondediplo.com/2006/02/03sharon

The Hamas landslide

http://mondediplo.com/2006/02/03agresh

[Royal]

Off course that Hamas achchieve(!?) own agenda to have Free Palestinian country(?), now they must act as with democracy rools (-not with weapons) so they would like to talk with israelies, but this type negotiations are may bring breakage of the Hamas group to more other groups as usual and that creates more chaos in the country.

and everybody wished for best and piece.

[Sayyoh]

with hate towards Jews, this idiots (terrorists) make their own life worse. you know, i'm gonna share my thought on this. i call bush and hawks (including pro-israeli lobbyists) terrorists... let's get to learn what does the word terrorism mean in the first place. according to my e-dictionary, "a terrorist is a person who uses violence, especially murder and bombing, to achieve political aims". now, i do call bush and his crowd, u.s. soldiers anywhere in muslims lands and israeli soldiers in Falastin terrorists. you know why? because they terrorize ME! because they use bombing! because they use violence! because they murder people!

you might now be saying that palestinians are doing the same. but check this out, they are doing this IN RESPONSE! they are responding to what WAS INFLICTED on them! see?

bush and his administration who use VIOLENCE (Guantanamo), MURDER (so many innocent people killed wherever the u.s. soldier's dirty boot took a step on) and BOMBING (you remember how the iraqi operation was launched in March 2003?.. air strikes and bombings came in first! then only ground troops joined the show) the freakin terrorists! bush's speeches terrorize me literally bc this person cannot even speak normally! how could the american nation trust so much funds and power to this man?! he has been mocked by their very own u.s.-based tv networks and abroad! was his adminstration ever able to refute these mockings as untrue?! no single one!

BUSH IS THE TERRORIST NUMBER ONE!!! If (!!!!!!!!!!!!) Bin Ladin really did that 9/11 then he was the cause of the death of 3k people (which is laready bad of course) but this shrub (!) came in Afghanistan and Iraq and has bombed (remember the above definition?) many, many more innocents!

BUSH IS THE TERRORIST NUMBER ONE!!!!

you are saying u love israil, right? but what is israil in the first place? some vague coutnry which could be founded anywhere in northern africa or argentina? now if the heads of zion decided to found it smwhere in southern germany (who gassed and burned them), would that place be an isroil? could an isroil have been founded in argentina? what the f is israel in the first place?

tak, read my signature and ponder over, for 1.5b Muslims' cannot be wrong...

[PALESTINE]

SALAMU ALAIKUM BROTHERS,

the one who looks for hamas, will have alot of questions first about the main policy used by this movement, is it resistance or negotiations, or using resistance in order to reach negotiations on the previous road of the movement (fatah) ...

look for these declerations for several leaders of hamas,

abdul-aziz ar-rantisi -rahimahullah- " oh brothers, our enemy dont comprehend just one language, which is the language of weapons...

... if there was just one death, too nice if it was -shahadah-"

look now for declartaions of "abu marzouq" one of hamas leaders :" we will never talk to israel "

and at the contrary side look for what the leader mashaal said "the ball now is in the playing ground of israel, if it gave rights of palestinians there will be new policy towards talking with israel, but works of israel must come first", that has alot of questions as what israel you are saying about, and what is palestine??, is palestine the whole land, or of 67, or 2000 or what exactly ???, and wondering about the clear policy will be taken towards -israel-

look now about the policy of joining the palestinian council :
- in 1996 " it is banned to join acouncil under the weapons of occupation, and under the legality of -oslo agreement- "

- in 2006 " it is nesessary to join the council ", although the previous conditions in banning still existed, and the council builted under the agreement of oslo till now as abu-mazin declared ... but hamas wanted to persuade the palestinians that oslo agreement is ended, but couldnt success in that point ...

and it the same time mashaal said "all the previous agreements made with israel by the palestinian leadership are respected" that means -oslo is respected-, also that open the way about hamas talking with israel ...

HAMAS NOW IS UNDER GREAT STRESS, AND THE RESISTANCE IN THE LAST STAGE HAS NO MEANING IN THERE DICTIONARY, TODAY THE ISRAELI LEADERSHIP SAID ABOUT ENDING THE MILITARY WORKS IN GAZA CALLED BY (THUNDER) WHICH KILLED TILL NOW ABOUT 10 PALESTINIANS ALONG THE PREVIOUS WEEK, BUT NO RE-ACTIONS FROM HAMAS TOTALLY ...

HAMAS WHEN ENTERED THE COUNCIL, PUT IT SELF IN GREAT STRESS FROM WHICH HAMAS MAY DO EVERY THING ...

or one can say, perhaps hamas was serious in entering that council to reach this point ...

all probabilities are open, and if hamas couldnt continue the palestinian way of liberation, palestinian people will take it out, as made by the previous leadership ...

hamas now under -the palestinian people eye- and supervised well ...

[PALESTINE]

dear sayyah,
your writings about the real terrorist was too great, but the most great paragraph was the last one

tak, read my signature and ponder over, for 1.5b Muslims' cannot be wrong...
TOO NICE AND SWEET SIGNATURE,

how am proud to belong for islamic ummah of 1.5b under the light of quraan and the leadership of the great prophet mohammed saaw...

i like to join you here in (al-masjid al-aqsa) some day,
amin
amin

[PALESTINE]

the palestinian leader -mohammad hijazee-in (al-aqsa martyres troops) said about -hamas- and the last -israeli military work in gaza which killed about 10 palestinian leaders- ,

(strange to find hamas too much far from what happening, as no one of there leaders rejected what happened, and looked for that as too much ordinary work ...

the killing works increasing daily, bloods and souls of martyres seems too cheap)

[PALESTINE]

PS, I WANT TO CLEAR SOME THING,

IF HAMAS MADE DIALOGUE WITH ISRAEL OR NOT, THAT IS RELATED TO HAMAS IT SELF NOT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ALTHOUGH IT WAS ELECTED

AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ELECTED HAMAS AS RESISTANCE MOVEMENT, NOT AS NEGOTIATING SIDE ON THE PALESTINIAN RIGHTS FROM WHICH THEY MAKE DIALOGUE WITH ISRAEL ...

HAMAS ALSO ELECTED TO END MISTAKES MADE BY (FATAH) NOT TO CONTINUE SUCH MISTAKES...

[HAKIKAT]

If Israeli soldier would kill an innocent civilian, he would end up in Israeli Jail.
Do you have any statistics of how many inocent people were killed by Israel?

Some Examples of Israel's Half-Century Reign of Terror: (Check it up, baby:twisted: )
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The King David Massacre, 1946: 92 dead
This attack was carried out by the Irgun terrorist organization and with the knowledge of David Ben Gurion, the highest-ranking Zionist official of the period. A total of 92 people, consisting of Britons, Palestinians, and Jews, were killed, and 45 were seriously injured.


Baldat Al-Shaikh Massacre, 1947: 60 dead
Sixty Palestinians sleeping in their beds, among them women, children, and the elderly, lost their lives as a result of this attack, which was carried out by 150-200 Zionist terrorists. The attack began at 2:00 a.m. and lasted for 4 hours.


Yehida Massacre, 1947: 13 dead
At Yehida, one of the first Zionist settlements, Zionist assailants dressed as British soldiers opened fire on Muslims.


Khisas Massacre, 1947: 10 dead
Two cars full of Haganah members entered the village of Khisas on the Lebanese border and opened fire on everyone who crossed their paths.


Qazaza Massacre, 1947: 5 children dead
Five children lost their lives in this episode, in which Zionist terrorists attacked a random house.


The Semiramis Hotel Massacre, 1948: 19 dead
In an operation aimed at making the Palestinians uneasy and forcing them out of Jerusalem, a group of Zionist terrorists directed by Israel's first president, David Ben Gurion, blew up the Semiramis Hotel. Nineteen people were killed.


Naser al-Din Massacre, 1948
A group of Zionist terrorists dressed as Arab soldiers opened fire on those townspeople who left their homes to greet them. Only 40 people escaped the carnage, and the village was wiped off the map.


The Tantura Massacre, 1948: 200 dead
Tantura, now home to about 1,500 Jewish settlers, was the site of a large massacre of Muslims in 1948. Israeli historian Teddy Katz described the attack as follows: "From the numbers, this is definitely one of the biggest massacres."


The Dahmash Mosque Massacre, 1948: 100 dead
Israeli 89th Commando Battalion lead by the future Minister of Defense Moshe Dayan, announced to the villagers that they would be safe only if they assembled at the mosque. However, the 100 Muslims who sought refuge there were slaughtered. The terrified residents of Lydda and Ramle abandoned their lands. Approximately 60,000 Palestinians emigrated, and 350 more died en route due to poor medical conditions.


Dawayma Massacre, 1948: 100 dead
This attack was one of the largest Israeli massacres. A majority of those killed were assembled at the mosque for Friday prayers. Palestinian women were raped during the attack, and homes were dynamited with people inside them.

Houla Massacre, 1948: 85 dead
Israeli soldiers forced 85 people into a house and then set it on fire. Afterwards, most of the terrified residents fled to Beirut. Of the 12,000 original residents of Houla, only 1,200 remained.


Salha Massacre, 1948: 105 dead
After residents of the village were forced into the mosque, the people were fired upon until not a single person remained alive.


Deir Yassin Massacre, 1948: 254 dead
The fact that the world agenda is controlled by the Western media, most of which is pro-Israeli, sometimes prevents events occurring within Israel from coming to light. But some incidents of such violence and cruelty have been documented in detail by international organizations. This is one of those incidents, and was carried out by the Irgun and Stern terrorist organizations.


Should I continue...:evil:

[Sayyoh]

would it not then make hell of sense for them to move out of palestine (http://www.arabeuropean.org/article.php?ID=93), sweety (candy)?..:rolleyes: :twisted:

[Milky_Way_NY]

you know, i'm gonna share my thought on this. i call bush and hawks (including pro-israeli lobbyists) terrorists... let's get to learn what does the word terrorism mean in the first place. according to my e-dictionary, "a terrorist is a person who uses violence, especially murder and bombing, to achieve political aims". now, i do call bush and his crowd, u.s. soldiers anywhere in muslims lands and israeli soldiers in Falastin terrorists. you know why? because they terrorize ME! because they use bombing! because they use violence! because they murder people!

you might now be saying that palestinians are doing the same. but check this out, they are doing this IN RESPONSE! they are responding to what WAS INFLICTED on them! see?

bush and his administration who use VIOLENCE (Guantanamo), MURDER (so many innocent people killed wherever the u.s. soldier's dirty boot took a step on) and BOMBING (you remember how the iraqi operation was launched in March 2003?.. air strikes and bombings came in first! then only ground troops joined the show) the freakin terrorists! bush's speeches terrorize me literally bc this person cannot even speak normally! how could the american nation trust so much funds and power to this man?! he has been mocked by their very own u.s.-based tv networks and abroad! was his adminstration ever able to refute these mockings as untrue?! no single one!

BUSH IS THE TERRORIST NUMBER ONE!!! If (!!!!!!!!!!!!) Bin Ladin really did that 9/11 then he was the cause of the death of 3k people (which is laready bad of course) but this shrub (!) came in Afghanistan and Iraq and has bombed (remember the above definition?) many, many more innocents!

BUSH IS THE TERRORIST NUMBER ONE!!!!

you are saying u love israil, right? but what is israil in the first place? some vague coutnry which could be founded anywhere in northern africa or argentina? now if the heads of zion decided to found it smwhere in southern germany (who gassed and burned them), would that place be an isroil? could an isroil have been founded in argentina? what the f is israel in the first place?

tak, read my signature and ponder over, for 1.5b Muslims' cannot be wrong...

Well u don't need to tell me that. I am against the war in Iraq. America had no right for that. Innocent people are dying there everyday ... civilians, children, women ....

About Israel: if you dont know what the f Israel is go to wik[edia, and not you electronic dictionary.

Also, Hakikat, in massacres were involved both sides, lets not forget that. I can also post a list here that began much earlier, but whats the point of that.

I believe in peace there .. it will take some time, but its possible.
I hope that leaders of Palestine i e Hammas and leaders of Israel will find their way to achieve their good goals.

[Aziz]

Well u don't need to tell me that. I am against the war in Iraq. America had no right for that. Innocent people are dying there everyday ... civilians, children, women ....

About Israel: if you dont know what the f Israel is go to wik[edia, and not you electronic dictionary.

Also, Hakikat, in massacres were involved both sides, lets not forget that. I can also post a list here that began much earlier, but whats the point of that.

I believe in peace there .. it will take some time, but its possible.
I hope that leaders of Palestine i e Hammas and leaders of Israel will find their way to achieve their good goals.



what good goals does Israel have?!:rolleyes: ?!:rolleyes: ?!:rolleyes:

[infolife]

not to talk to Israel and not to negotiate would simply be accepty death and do nothing
Muslims are allowed to take precautions and make negogiations if necessary, not to do so in Palestine's case would simply out of arrogance and pride and die in the end, this differs from dieing in jihaad

[Delf]

There was a great person who brought his nation to independence from the greatest empire of it's time.

He called to kill noone, to harm noone and to hate noone.
His nation is free and his people and entire world will remember him.

His name is Gandhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).

Palestine, Infolife and others: there is a proven way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha)to set a nation free from tyranny. All you need is to learn how to do it, have courage and patience.

Violence, hate and intolerance will lead nowhere.

Delf.

[infolife]

Delf, am nt saying Palestinians should use violence. I dont support Hamas either if it doesn't set negotiaton agreements with Israel.

However, muslims are commanded to fight in defence but they are also allowed to take precautions.

The battle of Khandaq,for example, muslims didn't fight, it ws only mushreekins who came to fight and use violant. The power was 3-4 times more, so the muslims tried to defend themselves in Madina, digging a trench around the city.

All I see in Middle East, Israel keeps occupying and invading and violating human-rights. The only thing I can see for Palestine is to defend themselves and make somehow peace treatment with Israel. To decide to fight back wouldnt be clever,that's more likely they will all die.

One day inshaAllah the khalifs of Umar ibn al-Khattab, Saladdin will come